Life and existence are completely unremarkable. There is nothing to learn or discover, no mysteries, because it's all already in His infinite knowledge, as he controls everything. From the deepest depth of Earth's oceans to every planet in a galaxy on the other "side" of the universe, there is no exceptional knowledge to gain. If God made everything up, everything is pointless. If God were to reveal himself as existing tomorrow, I would kill myself, if only it would put an end to me, which, of course, doing so would not, as there's an afterlife and he can do whatever he wants with me.

If you believe in God, you can NEVER know exactly how brick-shittingly awesome and amazing the TRUTH is. Whereas the opposite is true if God actually controls everything. You can never ACTUALLY appreciate life and existence and sentience for what it TRULY is. For example, if God exists, killing people is not anywhere NEAR as harsh or serious a thing to do as it is if he doesn't.

tl;dr A universe controlled and created by a supremely intelligent being is not a universe I'd like to exist in.


Thoughts?

I find it interesting that you say if God made everything, then everything is pointless. I would say that one of the hardest aspects of evolutionary theory for many people to accept is its absence of teleology, because many people believe the exact opposite to you, they believe that a life without God is pointless. I don’t entirely agree with either of these viewpoints, and I think that if there is a God, acquisition of knowledge is still valuable: you can discover the purposes for which things are made, and see the consistencies God endowed the universe with, and then you can use this information to gain a better comprehension of God’s realm, to make predictive calculations and to produce technology.

I find it interesting that you say if God made everything, then everything is pointless. I would say that one of the hardest aspects of evolutionary theory for many people to accept is its absence of teleology, because many people believe the exact opposite to you, they believe that a life without God is pointless.

Yes, I know, and it's very aggravating to me.


I don’t entirely agree with either of these viewpoints, and I think that if there is a God, acquisition of knowledge is still valuable: you can discover the purposes for which things are made, and see the consistencies God endowed the universe with, and then you can use this information to gain a better comprehension of God’s realm, to make predictive calculations and to produce technology.

Life and everything, existence, is really just a cruel trick if God made everything and there's a heaven. I suppose there'd be a purpose to live if God exists and you have to behave well during your time on earth, spread His word, etc to get into heaven, but wtf kind of life is that? Who would WANT that to be true, and live their life in accordance with that belief? What I'm trying to say is, the goals of science, expanding human knowledge, etc, at the least end up taking a back seat to what God wants you to do, and at most become COMPLETELY irrelevant.

For example, my goals as a living organism and sentient human being are to reproduce and do my minuscule part in the evolution of my species, and hopefully somehow contribute to humanities knowledge. Both of those reasons for staying alive are ultimately meaningless in a world with God.

No one else has anything to say about my thread?

I'd like to say that I mostly agree. I compared it to mariners on an ocean vs. a child in a bathtub. If we're alone, there is the possibility of "sinking"; but how shallow (pun not intended) is existence if all we are is just a child in God's cosmic bathtub?

Not to say you can't have fun in a bathtub, but I think it removes much of the sense of discovery, worth, etc. I suppose you could dedicate your life to understanding God and His Creation, and certainly it'd be interesting to see what all He's come up with, but it doesn't have quite the same epic feel.

Funny I think the opposite. I think life is/would be waaay more interesting if god does exist, but again.... it all depends on what you believe God to be.

And twisted ferret. Your bathtub analogy is the lamest analogy I've ever come across... no offense.

Funny I think the opposite. I think life is/would be waaay more interesting if god does exist, but again.... it all depends on what you believe God to be.

When it comes to theism, it is really best to describe things, not words. The OP is clearly discussing the Abrahamic deity.

I'd like to say that I mostly agree. I compared it to mariners on an ocean vs. a child in a bathtub. If we're alone, there is the possibility of "sinking"; but how shallow (pun not intended) is existence if all we are is just a child in God's cosmic bathtub?

Not to say you can't have fun in a bathtub, but I think it removes much of the sense of discovery, worth, etc. I suppose you could dedicate your life to understanding God and His Creation, and certainly it'd be interesting to see what all He's come up with, but it doesn't have quite the same epic feel.

Exactly. Great analogy.

God can excist but try his best to make this hole thing look as legit as possible meaing self working universe, i think science will explain everything in this material realm, but I dont know how about the spirtual or metaphyiscall world

God can excist but try his best to make this hole thing look as legit as possible meaing self working universe, i think science will explain everything in this material realm, but I dont know how about the spirtual or metaphyiscall world

There's nothing to explain about this supposed 'supernatural world.' If it were explained, it would cease being supernatural. There is no such thing as a supernatural realm that can be experienced. Just something people make up as a vehicle for how we may possibly have an 'afterlife,' which is just a silly oxymoron.

I'd like to say that I mostly agree. I compared it to mariners on an ocean vs. a child in a bathtub. If we're alone, there is the possibility of "sinking"; but how shallow (pun not intended) is existence if all we are is just a child in God's cosmic bathtub?

Not to say you can't have fun in a bathtub, but I think it removes much of the sense of discovery, worth, etc. I suppose you could dedicate your life to understanding God and His Creation, and certainly it'd be interesting to see what all He's come up with, but it doesn't have quite the same epic feel.

Great analogy...

I do think that if God exists, and revealed it, much of the zest for life people have would be gone whether they realize it or not. Most theists at their core would be sad, after the intitial "I told you so" wore off. They would lose their passion.

Creation is so vast, and the workings and under-pinnings of it are so scientifically brilliant, that one could spend forever getting to know a sliver of it. It is for this very reason that everlasting life has been set right into the hearts of every human who walks the skin of this world, whether they choose to ignore that natural inclination or not.

God doesn't exist. It's just me you and the checkout chick.

Is there a supreme being? I believe so. Does that being conform to any of the known "gods"? No. It created te univers and thats it, evolution created us and no doubt countless outer intelligent life forms, When you die, it's all over, you're fucked, thats it. Reincarnation? maybe. but i firmly believe there is no heven and hell

For almost every man walks past a well-built, solid-looking and intricately-structured house, and while appreciating it thoughtfully, says to oneself, "The winds, rain and storm simply drove it together!", before quickly walking off without a second glance. Where he is heading to, he does not know, but he is doubly sure no man can build a house that well and actually exist.

It's pretty comical, too, that this poor excuse for humanity will pay either a pauper's ransom or a king's store to have their breath taken away, to soak in the power of a mighty waterfall, to walk along beside the tiger's den, to delve the deepest mysteries in the kingdom under the sea, and to befriend the hurtling bodies of the great cosmos, and yet they are so blind they reap no gain from their expense.

1) What the FUCK are you on?

2) Where can i get some?

1) What the FUCK are you on?

2) Where can i get some?

"For Satan the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone."

OP, you might try redefining God, and get away from the bogus Biblical Piscean Age stuff. God isn't some invisible friend in the sky who controls everything--it is more like, God IS everything.

That is, God is the force--the unified field, if you will--the energy, sentient, loving, and creative, which permeates everything--you, me, the oak tree on the corner, the cop who's knocking at your front door, the door, the whole nine yards. I communicate with God on a frequent basis, and life to me is totally awesome.

Consider this--at conception, we are just a microscopic bit of DNA. yet the bit contains all the data needed to make a person--all 100 trillion cells. That speck "knows" what color hair and eyes you will have, when your wisodm teeth will erupt, how tall you will be, whether you will be near-sighted or not--everything. This is totally mind-boggling to me.

And look at string theory, and quantum physics. String theory isn't proven yet, but quantum theory is--and western physics is getting just as heavy and weird as any eastern metaphysics.