Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting.


2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.

This is a threat to all of civilization, not just religions.


My personal reasons are, better they get destroyed, than 'us'.

That sounds a lot like the propaganda and verbal diharrhea spewed by the church during the inquisition. If you really want to discriminate against people who don't buy into some idea that is completely without facts (like most metaphysical matters) and the oldest business/social controller on the planet, then so be. If it is a holy war you want, then I will kill the infidel not in the name of god, but in the name of the free thought and the self. On guard ye of the cloth!

Troll? How you can type that Atheism is the one that encourages violence and has flawed reasoning is pretty stupid.

You can not use violence as an issue for I'm sure that just as many Christians are violent. And there is no factual proof behind your reasoning.

You can always tell someone is uneducated by the way they use stereotypes in arguments...

--Vargev--

Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians."

Larger and more vocal? Yes. That's what happens when religions stop burning people at the stake.

"Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting."

Instead of thrashing about like a child, why don't you use your brain instead? There are many people out there who can help you overcome religious brainwashing.

To "go down fighting" your own inevitable marginalization by rational thought is illogical, and likely only to hurt yourself and others.

"2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms."

Wrong, completely. The religious more often than not are the ones with no understanding of even the most basic scientific principals; whether this is by choice or if they have been too deeply indoctrinated to understand is the only real question about that. "Social norms" have nothing to do with whether an assertion has any basis in reality.

"This is a threat to all of civilization, not just religions."

The unending march of religious wars and murders and genocides throughout history begs to differ.

"My personal reasons are, better they get destroyed, then 'us'.

It's not enough just to survive. You have to be worthy of survival. Wrapping oneself up in ancient, childish, demonstrably wrong and often abhorrent beliefs does nothing for such a case.

If mankind is to survive, he has to break free of the shackles of the supernatural, and the weak minded.

violent movement.
Atheists, as far as I know, are not the ones launching crusades or suicide bombs. I don't know of any violence done in the name of atheism.

Vocal and large? So are a lot of other groups. What's wrong with that?

2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.
How so? Not all atheists believe the same things when it comes to science and social norms. It's hard to see how you can lump them all together like that. My position on social norms, for instance, most closely mirrors that of my fundamentalist Christian friends.

Wow halvy. You used to mod RFA right? I didn't know you were a dumbshit christfag.

1) Violent? Show me an instance of this "violent atheist movement" please.


2) Flawed? Show me a "flaw" please.


You can come here and spew forth lots of bullshit, but nobody is going to buy it - nobody reasonable at least - until you substantiate it.

Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting.
.

Believe it or not, most atheists are morally upstanding in the eyes of society.

They rebel against religion because they 1) Don't believe in God and 2) Because they realize that religion's negative qualities (dividing humanity, making money off of people, etc) outweigh its positive qualities.

Morality can exist outside of religion.

I am a moral atheist because I believe that if I we are kind to our neighbors, it will make everyone's life easier.

Yea, kill all the atheists! That will end all violence!

/sarcasm

And what about atheist religions, like buddhism? Those damn buddhist monks, going on jihad and starting crusades...

Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting.


I like to think that I'm a good person. I don't believe in god, but I do believe in karma and helping people. By your logic, since I'm a good person I must stand up to myself. Damn me...

2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.

I know a group of fundamental Christians and a group of Catholics, and the fundies have a very hard time understanding science, like the theory of evolution. Also, how many "good Christians" do you know embrace our culture of sex, violence, and demonic music? Like it or not, our society revolves around those "values." Just turn on the news.


This is a threat to all of civilization, not just religions.


My personal reasons are, better they get destroyed, then 'us'.

Yes, 'cause that's not violent or intolerant at all.

The most intolerant people I know are Christian. In a poll taken in 2006, 45% of Americans said that an atheistic president would be "unacceptable."

Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting.


2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.

This is a threat to all of civilization, not just religions.


My personal reasons are, better they get destroyed, then 'us'.

someone is a little bit crazy

Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting.


2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.

This is a threat to all of civilization, not just religions.


My personal reasons are, better they get destroyed, then 'us'.


Its interesting how many athiests like myself see it the same way but reversed. I however would not want to forcibly abolish religion, just hope that people like you come to your senses and either accept that there is no God or live peacefully with "blasphemers" and "heretics".

Because:

1) vocal and violent movement

Funny... to me, this seems to describe most fanatical religions perfectly. Christianity and Islam in particular.

2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.

This is a threat to all of civilization

again, sounds exactly like Christianity to me..

shouldn't mass murder be against your religion?

http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/coexist.jpg

Edit: Religion and (a)theism do not depend on each other. There are atheistic and theistic religions, and there are people against religion who are atheistic and theistic. It seems to me the problem you have is with people who are against religion, not god/higher power.

Funny thing...

They asked Mother Teresa why she never went to an Anti-War rally. She said

"I would prefer to go to a pro-peace rally".

Stop with this silliness of destroying opinions and perspectives and thinking that will solve your problems. Destruction breeds creation, always. That is why evil men will never fully grasp this world. Because the destruction of love, truth, justice, and tolerance only brings renewed fervor and appreciation for those ideas.

So do me a favor OP...as well meaning as you might be, understand that ideas in themselves never do harm or kill anyone. Christianity didnt cause the crusades, Marxism didnt create Stalin, and even racism in itself, has not killed minorities. It is the flaws in men that causes them to look past the flaws in ideas and decide to kill instead of converse, hate instead of understand.

With this in mind, see that propagating tolerance of Christianty, religion, and spirituality is infinitely more progressive than pushing the eradication of another viewpoint. No matter what wills contitute it. If you know that one course of action is better than another, say why, dont kill those who say why not this...

Don't Feed The Troll

Christianity didnt cause the crusades, Marxism didnt create Stalin, and even racism in itself, has not killed minorities. It is the flaws in men that causes them to look past the flaws in ideas and decide to kill instead of converse, hate instead of understand.

You are correct Christianity is just an ideal and cannot by itself cause something. Such as Al-Queda has an ideal and by itself cannot cause something. NAMBLA has an idea and by itself cannot cause something.

Something tells me you would not want a member of Al-Queda to get a job as a commercial airline pilot or want NAMBLA to open a daycare. The idea alone isn't going to fuck your kids or fly a plane into a building isn't it? So why would you not send your kids to a NAMBLA daycare?

Nope. It is the dumb fucks who follow the dumb fucking idea. Fact is the ideas present in christianity pushed men towards the crusades same as Marxism helped shape the man Stalin became. Racism itself has not killed minorities but the ideas of racism helped racist fucks to justify killing minorities.

The ideas are what has bound assholes together and justified their misdeeds. The pen is much mighter than the sword.

Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting.

I'm a good person, but am an atheist Buddhist.

So since ALL good people are God's people, should I stand up to this challenge and go-down fighting.. myself?

I'm a good person, but am an atheist Buddhist.

So since ALL good people are God's people, should I stand up to this challenge and go-down fighting.. myself?

Better you than... you?

The OP makes it seem as if his method would be non-violent.

You are correct Christianity is just an ideal and cannot by itself cause something. Such as Al-Queda has an ideal and by itself cannot cause something. NAMBLA has an idea and by itself cannot cause something.

Something tells me you would not want a member of Al-Queda to get a job as a commercial airline pilot or want NAMBLA to open a daycare. The idea alone isn't going to fuck your kids or fly a plane into a building isn't it? So why would you not send your kids to a NAMBLA daycare?

Nope. It is the dumb fucks who follow the dumb fucking idea. Fact is the ideas present in christianity pushed men towards the crusades same as Marxism helped shape the man Stalin became. Racism itself has not killed minorities but the ideas of racism helped racist fucks to justify killing minorities.

The ideas are what has bound assholes together and justified their misdeeds. The pen is much mighter than the sword.


Definitely the pen is mightier than the sword, and I would surely agree with you that a NAMBLA day care is not a prudent idea. Neither is Al Qaeda airline pilot and so on and so forth. Let me elaborate on my view.

Simply that ideas in themselves, as they are different and separate from a wrong or unjust action, should not be persecuted. They should be debated. If they are wrong then time and reason will tell. I would not say that the ideas in themselves are the only thing or even the most important factor in pushing men towards the crusades. Theres a huge number of factors to consider. Societal pressure, zealotry, bigotry, poverty, ignorance, greed....and a million other things to consider before blaming a massive blight on our culture on a single idea.

The OP makes it seem as if his method would be non-violent.

He said:

"Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting."


" My personal reasons are, better they get destroyed, then 'us'."

Doesn't really sound non-violent, but lets give him the benefit of the doubt. Now lets see what he has written elsewhere...
"I wish more Christians would:

Start KILLING more anti-Christian humans...

ESPECIALLY radical queers, hypocrites (like bush), and mealy mouthed lier's from the pulpits of most of todays 'churches'.

The reason I wish and pray these things happen is simple.

Better them, than us . "


Source: http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?p=9402607


Well, his methods are violent.

I can't believe this douchebag Halvy101 was a moderator. He can't be serious.

I can't believe this douchebag Halvy101 was a moderator. He can't be serious.

Same.

I can't believe this douchebag Halvy101 was a moderator. He can't be serious.

Haha, obviously a troll post yeah. But fun anyway.

Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

and Muslims aren't? I dunno about you, but I think I'd worry more about Muslims than about atheists. After all, I don't see atheist extremists wanting your head on a silver platter because you don't follow their faith.

After all, I don't see atheist extremists wanting your head on a silver platter because you don't follow their [*faith*].

[*personal preferences*]

Fixed. :)

The day a group of angry atheists become an organized terror regime is the day I join hands with moderate Christians and work in tandem to snuff out senseless acts of violence against my own "kind".

That said, I don't think we're anywhere near that scenario at the present time. As far as them becoming more vocal and mainstream ... it's about time, isn't it?

Funny thing...

Stop with this silliness of destroying opinions and perspectives and thinking that will solve your problems. Destruction breeds creation, always. That is why evil men will never fully grasp this world. Because the destruction of love, truth, justice, and tolerance only brings renewed fervor and appreciation for those ideas.

So do me a favor OP...as well meaning as you might be, understand that ideas in themselves never do harm or kill anyone. Christianity didn't cause the crusades, Marxism didn't create Stalin, and even racism in itself, has not killed minorities. It is the flaws in men that causes them to look past the flaws in ideas and decide to kill instead of converse, hate instead of understand.

With this in mind, see that propagating tolerance of Christianity, religion, and spirituality is infinitely more progressive than pushing the eradication of another viewpoint. No matter what wills constitute it. If you know that one course of action is better than another, say why, don't kill those who say why not this...

Look this boils down to what would YOU do, if someone attacked your family or good friends..

Even if you are a pacifist to the fullest..

How would you react.. in such a dramatic situation??

And if you DID NOT react with violence..

To protect your loved ones..

How would others.. especially yourself.. FEEL afterward?

Orrrr... maybe worse..

Are you are incapable of 'Love'.. at this level?

This is the position these attackers of religion are putting us in, (real Christians) and other 'good folks'.

As for my remarks about 'radical queers'.. it is well known that there were once 'laws' against these lifestyles, for various reasons.

And now... as the tables turn.. it is merely a matter of time, before the homos will 'Out Law' natural heterosexual unions.

And then.. comes the violence against 'us'.. the arrests.. the jail, etc..

I feel verrry THREATENED.

IF you are a real christian and you or anyone you love is violently attacked you would gladly take it without feeling any anger and the thought of revenge or retaliation would not even cross your mind. in fact you would be happy that your time to ascend into an eternity of paradise was upon you. if you did react with violence then by your christian faith you have destined yourself for an eternity of torture in hell. fucking idiots.

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
—Matthew 5:38-42

Why should you, as a Christian (OP) not follow this advice? The atheist hordes are rising. Turn the other cheek. For you know you will get into the promised gates of heaven. Or perhaps you are afraid, that maybe there is some truth in what atheists say? And unless you have a collective power surrounding you (by other Christians), your faith will collapse like a badly cooked flan in the oven?

You should feel threatened. People aren't dumbasses anymore, we're waking up. slowly and surely. Your leaders have programmed you to be apprehensive to this, in order to keep their power. You have been systemically lied to and abused your whole life, in order to cultivate the perfect mindframe that will enable you to sacrifice yourself to an imaginary friend.

But don't worry. We're fighting for you. If you wish to fight us, you're only fighting yourself. One day we'll get humanity out of this, and we'll either do it together, or you'll go down, fighting to not.

Man will only be free when the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

LOL this is good trolling!!!!

:D

Look this boils down to what would YOU do, if someone attacked your family or good friends..Even if you are a pacifist to the fullest..How would you react.. in such a dramatic situation??And if you DID NOT react with violence..To protect your loved ones..How would others.. especially yourself.. FEEL afterward?Orrrr... maybe worse..Are you are incapable of 'Love'.. at this level?.

OMG Halvy101, who has attacked you and your family. Is anyone hurt? Did the attackers cause any physical damage to you, your loved ones, or any of their property? Tell the law enforcement agents of your country. These evil doers will be put to justice.

Or did they just hurt your tender sensibilities by expressing their opinions in a free country?

As for my remarks about 'radical queers'.. it is well known that there were once 'laws' against these lifestyles, for various reasons...And now... as the tables turn.. it ismerely a matter of time, before the homos will 'Out Law' natural heterosexual unions...

WERE ONCE LAWS......is the key thing to pay attention to here. There were once laws that said Englishmen got to fuck Scottish wives the night of the wedding. Were I English and you Scottish, could I make a case that you owe me one wife fucking based on that?

Homos will never out law natural heterosexual unions. NEVER. That is a completely meritless and ignorant thing for you to say. Your apparent mindset clearly reflects to me the insanity your meme breeds.

And then.. comes the violence against 'us'.. the arrests.. the jail, etc..
I feel verrry THREATENED.

The violence against "us", huh? Please, who has been arrested and jailed soley b/c of their religious beliefs in America? You also need to understand that in the case of Mormons.....child expliotation is against the law. You will be jailed if you practice the beliefs of the Church of Bank Robbers, for example.

I feel verrry THREATENED.

Good. Go do something stupid and hasten the day people stop taking your insipid little death-cult seriously.

I see two Halvy accounts, one being "Halvy" the original, and then this dumbass, "Halvy101". Anyone actually verified that the two are one and the same? Despite the fact that Halvy had some extremist views, I don't remember him descending to this level of idiotic trolling, and see no reason why he would have needed to make a new account.

Seems more likely that some opportunistic little shit took advantage of the fact that he was moving to Alaska and decided some impersonation was due.

LOL this is good trolling!!!!

:D

Have you tried the olives?

Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting.


2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.

This is a threat to all of civilization, not just religions.


My personal reasons are, better they get destroyed, than 'us'.

You seem to have a "us against them" mentality. You need to realize that we are all humans and that everything we do depends on one another. People like you have been given a brain by mistake, all you really need is a spine, like a fish or reptile.

I want to believe that Halvy's account have been hijacked.
:(

Because:

1) They are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

Christians did the same thing. It's payback, see Copernicus, Gaileo, ans Giordiano Bruno. The Religious (At least Christians) have fucked Science up. I think it's payback for all of that


2) Their reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.

Not all people believe their beliefs. Not all support their social controls and biases.

And I'm an Agnostic LOL.

also; um. How can you say this, Halvy :eek:

I thought you would be cool with atheists

I want to believe that Halvy's account have been hijacked.
:(

DITTO. FUCKIN' A.

1) Violent? Show me an instance of this "violent atheist movement" please.

Soviet style Communism.

1. Not all Soviets were atheist.

2. Even if we take it as if they were, for the sake of argument, theres a difference between being A and doing B, and doing B because of A.

2. Even if we take it as if they were, for the sake of argument, theres a difference between being A and doing B, and doing B because of A.

This is a point theists always miss whenever they bring up Soviet Russia or other communist states. There is no "atheist doctrine" or holy book that says you must oppress the believers, unlike so many religions, which have awful rules like that written down in their sacred texts.

Maybe there should be.

I mean, it isn't like we wouldn't be deserving of getting a share of the douchbaggery we've had to face. There are threads in here written by kids afraid to "come out" to their theist parents about their atheism. Atheists are the oppressed ones, by FAR.

If christians were as all-loving and all-accepting as they claim, would their god have personally ordered and committed genocide? Would they rally to stone gays and oppress those who turn away from their virus?

This is OUR world, not any invented deity's. Its time to take it the fuck back.

Maybe there should be.

I mean, it isn't like we wouldn't be deserving of getting a share of the douchbaggery we've had to face. There are threads in here written by kids afraid to "come out" to their theist parents about their atheism. Atheists are the oppressed ones, by FAR.

If christians were as all-loving and all-accepting as they claim, would their god have personally ordered and committed genocide? Would they rally to stone gays and oppress those who turn away from their virus?

This is OUR world, not any invented deity's. Its time to take it the fuck back.

I understand and share your frustration, but the fact is we're hopelessly outnumbered by hordes of people so thoroughly entrenched in their own twisted belief systems, that no amount of evidence or clearly presented logic will persuade them from fucking up our shit.

All we can do is hope somebody develops a means of cheap, near-earth space colonization so like minded individuals can live together in peace, away from this fairy tale nightmare the religious have created for us here. There's no way to fix the world now as it is.

There's no way to fix the world now as it is.

Oh, ye of little hope. I don't share in your pessimism. Being grossly outnumbered isn't as crippling as you may think. The steps may be slow and gradual, but the shift is in motion, and several generations before you felt the same frustrations. They just got less "air time" than we have. If you look at the BIG picture, the secular viewpoint has made leaps and bounds in the past few years. While religion still dictates the minds of many, it is bound to become less and less of a society-shaping tool as we move forward, and more of an intimate, personal tradition that has no place in public policy.

If we left, they'd follow us. Or just nuke us.

There's hope. A lot of us are coming from heavily theistic backgrounds, and a lot of us have beat the religion virus on our own. We just need to help others do the same.

I'm really glad you guys can remain optimistic, I really mean that. Don't ever stop.

Hoards of people.
Space colonization.
Religion virus.
Being followed and nuked.

You sci-fi geeks have got to be having a laugh.

http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/tvradio/slideshow/catchphrases/img_2.jpg

Hoards of people.
Space colonization.
Religion virus.
Being followed and nuked.

You sci-fi geeks have got to be having a laugh.

Because invisible, omnipotent sky creatures are so much more plausible. :rolleyes:

Because invisible, omnipotent sky creatures are so much more plausible.

Sky creatures??? Shit man I'm not surprised you're skeptical.


Besides the difference is that what you're saying makes you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

Besides the difference is that what you're saying makes you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

And theists sound like... what, exactly?

And theists sound like... what, exactly?

Well, theism is a broad category. Most of them sound different, but that's irrelevant since it doesn't change what you guys sound like. But hey go ahead and dream. Living in space sounds fun.

http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/tvradio/slideshow/catchphrases/img_2.jpg

Ah, what are we doing? Selling ourselves, selling everything. Happiest day of my life. ‘Ooh, quick, I better do the invites and bake a cake AND get a press tent. We must have a press tent, it’s a wedding. You know, I must see pictures of myself with other people I’m in the program with! Ooh, and now I’m pregnant, we must televise the birth, quick, see if Ryan Seacrest will present it. Maybe it’ll make E! Channel’s ‘100 Greatest Cesareans!’’ (To the housemates) I’m not having a go at you, I’m just sick of these celebrities just living there life right in the open, why would you do that?

It’s like these pop stars who choose the perfect moment to go into rehab. They call their publicist before they call there taxi. And they come out and they do this second autobiography. ‘This one’s called ‘Love Me or I’ll Kill Myself.’ Oh, kill yourself then. And the papers lap it up. They follow us around and that makes people think we’re important and that makes US think we’re important. If they stopped following us around, taking pictures, people wouldn’t take to the streets going, ‘Ooh, quick, I need a picture of Cameron Diaz with a pimple!’ They wouldn’t care, they’d get on with something else. They’d get on with their lives. You know in the paper, you’d see a picture of Lindsay Lohan getting out of a car, and the headline is, ‘Cover Up Lindsay, We Can See Your Knickers!” Of course you can see up her knickers, your photographer is lying in the road pointing his camera up her dress to SEE her knickers. You’re literally the gutter press.

(Into his microphone) And fuck you, the makers of this show as well. You can’t wash your hands of this. You can’t keep going, ‘Oh its exploitation, but it’s what the public want.’ No! The Victorian freak show never went away. Now it’s called Big Brother, or American Idol, where in the preliminary rounds we wheel out the bewildered to be sniggered at by multi-millionaires.
And fuck you, for watching at home. Shame on you, and shame on me. I’m the worst of all. Cos’ I’m one of these people that goes, ‘Oh, I’m an entertainer, it’s in my blood.’ Yeah, it’s in my blood cos’ a real job’s too hard. I would’ve loved to of been a doctor. Too hard, didn’t wanna put the work in. You would have to be a war hero. I’m too scared. So I go, ‘Ooh, it’s what I do.’ And I have someone bollocked if my cappuccino’s cold, or if they look at me the wrong way. Do you know what a friend of mine once said? They said I’ll never be happy, cos’ I’ll never be famous enough. And they were right.

lol we evolved from monkeys lololololololol......

lmao monkeys.....bahahahahahha

...



Would you rather be a penguin or a flying fish?

Sky creatures??? Shit man I'm not surprised you're skeptical.


Besides the difference is that what you're saying makes you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist.


An invisible creature who tries to tempt you into sin, in an effort to recruit souls for the final showdown when the world ends in armageddon...is not a paranoid conspiracy?

An invisible creature who tries to tempt you into sin, in an effort to recruit souls for the final showdown when the world ends in armageddon...is not a paranoid conspiracy?

Maybe, but as I just said, what Christians believe is irrelevant since it doesn't change what Surak was coming across as.
Xians may be paranoid. I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying Surak is.... or at least was coming across as.

Stop dipping into discussions at random points and you might stop being such a time waster.

Maybe, but as I just said, what Christians believe is irrelevant since it doesn't change what Surak was coming across as.
Xians may be paranoid. I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying Surak is.... or at least was coming across as.

You said:

Besides the difference is that what you're saying makes you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

Different from whom?

Surak thought you meant different than xtains and said as much. You said it was then irrelevent what xtains thought.

IT IS NOT IRRELEVENT b/c you APPEARED to both me and Surak to make a comparision between what he believes and what xtains believe CITING the difference is what he believes is PARANOID CONSPIRACY insinuating what xtains thought was not.

To which you have been educated on.

Perhaps you should stop wasting time and keep up.

I don't think I'm being that paranoid.

Who controls and builds nukes? Christians.

Who controls the vast majority of states? Christians. Religion and the state are symbiotic. If there is one, there will be the other.

Who wants to kill and torture for "eternity" anyone that doesn't share their twisted views? Christians.

I don't think I'm being that paranoid.

The scenario you suggest is ridiculous, specifically that Christians will attempt to hunt down and nuke all atheists. When the atheist population is integrated with the Christian population as it is, that basically amounts to suicide. Good luck on isolating it.

So yeah, it does come off as ridiculously paranoid.

Who controls and builds nukes? Christians.

Cite a source that shows these Christians are radical fundamentalists willing to nuke their own country back into the stone age just to get rid of atheists.

Who controls the vast majority of states? Christians. Religion and the state are symbiotic. If there is one, there will be the other.

Yeah, and since when are there "atheist states"? There aren't. As I said, integration, which makes nuking the "enemy" the same as nuking yourself, and stupid beyond belief.

Who wants to kill and torture for "eternity" anyone that doesn't share their twisted views? Christians.

God sets the eternal torture arrangements, not Christians. As for the killing, there's a few radical fundamentalists out there, but as much as I'm willing to compare them to Jihadists, they're nowhere near as numerous.

but the fact is we're hopelessly outnumbered by hordes of people so thoroughly entrenched in their own twisted belief systems, that no amount of evidence or clearly presented logic will persuade them from fucking up our shit.

guns and nuclear weapons halp :D:p;):eek:

All we can do is hope somebody develops a means of cheap, near-earth space colonization so like minded individuals can live together in peace, away from this fairy tale nightmare the religious have created for us here. There's no way to fix the world now as it is.

cool. I get dibs on the first 10 O'Neill Cylinders and first 4 Mass Drivers on the Equator

Hoards of people.
Space colonization.
Religion virus.
Being followed and nuked.

You sci-fi geeks have got to be having a laugh.

Being as I have watched some Gundam series, FUCK YEAH.

Especially Gundam Seed; features all 4 in a way

Because invisible, omnipotent sky creatures are so much more plausible. :rolleyes:

cloaked warfleets with sensors orbiting a planet much?


An invisible creature who tries to tempt you into sin, in an effort to recruit souls for the final showdown when the world ends in armageddon...is not a paranoid conspiracy?

The 'invisible creature' being a code for guerilla and/or 'terrorist' movements recruiting people by propagana/truth (psespective...) for the final battle when the people overthrow their dictator

The scenario you suggest is ridiculous, specifically that Christians will attempt to hunt down and nuke all atheists. When the atheist population is integrated with the Christian population as it is, that basically amounts to suicide. Good luck on isolating it.

So yeah, it does come off as ridiculously paranoid.

Considering the increasing sectionalism and polarization in the US politics; which in the past preceded the Civil War in elections, and the still-strong regionalism (Southernness vs 'Liberal Northerners'), then the 'red state vs blue state' as well; which overlap many ways, the seriously fundamental shit in the Southern United States (See Huckabee's polls, what he wrote/said and Evolution fights) and yeah it won't surprise me.

[somewhat joking]So for those who aren't as religions: get your nukes too. SO you won't die without a fight[/somewhat joking]

and such erm...no. And when the shooting starts; mass refugees going to their sides like the partition of Pakistan by the UK in the late 1940s...

I don't think I'm being that paranoid.

Who controls and builds nukes? Christians.

Who controls the vast majority of states? Christians. Religion and the state are symbiotic. If there is one, there will be the other.

Who wants to kill and torture for "eternity" anyone that doesn't share their twisted views? Christians.

It's quite a bit worse than that when you consider that every generation of Christians since the first has believed that they would be alive to see the end of the world...

If you don't agree with my religion of peace, i'm gona kick your ass.... :mad:

Christianity: Doin' it wrong since AD30something...

Hare you deleted your rant? :(

Hare you deleted your rant? :(

If you ask AngryFemme, I am ok if she will undelete it for you, but for obvious reasons, the rant is a bit of an embarrassment: (A) discussing the authenticity of British television just looks pretentious, (B) the little joke in it was not well conveyed, so it would be lost on most people.

Your call, Rust. Say the word.

Nah, no worries. :)

The hypothetical was that all atheists left and moved to somewhere else on a different planet. If that happened. I have no doubt that the atheists would be nuked. EVERYONE hates atheists. Christians, jews, muslims, hindues, sikhs, everyone. Politicians hate atheists, because the state and church are symbiotic, and they know that. Atheists gathering into a community would be a huge threat to them, and if there were no other consequences, I'd give us about a year before some minor trade disagreement scaled into full thermonuclear war.

Why do you see atheism as a threat? If someone has decided there is no God, or lack a belief in one, they have every right to keep that belief/disbelief, as long as they are not trying to change other peoples beliefs in the same way many religions do. In my expereince most atheists are anti-religion as well as lacking belief in God. This means they should be against people forcing their beliefs (or in their own case, lack of belief) on others.

Atheism should not be abolished, assholes who try to control what others think should be. That would include more theists then atheists, IMO.

Because:

1) the jews are becoming a larger, vocal and violent movement, especially against Christians.

Therefore, Gods people (ie. ALL good people, not just Christians) need to stand up to this challenge, and at least go-down-fighting.


2) The jews reasoning is flawed beyond comprehension when it comes to science and social norms.

This is a threat to all of civilization, not just religions.


My personal reasons are, better the jews get destroyed, than 'us'.

I took the liberty and replaced anything that was toward Athiests (mostly theirs and theys) and turned it toward jews.

I think it sounds similar to a famous 1940's leader


Good troll post there Adolf