Congressman Randy Forbes (along with several cosponsors) has introduced HR 888 for consideration by the House. The resolution claims to be about "Affirming the rich spiritual and religious history of our nation's founding and subsequent history and expressing support for designation of the first week in May as 'American religious History Week' for the appreciation of education and education on America's history of religious faith."

Sounds innocent enough, right? Guess again. The resolution uses multiple distortions of history and outright lies (perpetrated by the religious extremists) in an attempt to promote the 'Christian Nation" myth through deception. This proposed resolution is yet another step on the path to an American Christian theocracy, and all they need to accomplish their goal is for the rest of us to remain apathetic.

Personally, I have no intention of quietly surrendering any rights/freedom guaranteed me by the US Constitution.

Full text of HR 888 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-888)

List of Cosponsors (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr110-888)

I declare war on religion.

I declare war on religion.

i pray for genocide.

If there is a petition, then I will sign it. But I cannot do much more than that, since I am in England.

Rewriting history and science.....

Funny how xtian leaders who proclaim their kingdom is not of this world, like to lay claim to the kingdoms of this world at every opportunity.

Sounds innocent enough, right? Guess again. The resolution uses multiple distortions of history and outright lies (perpetrated by the religious extremists) in an attempt to promote the 'Christian Nation" myth through deception.


You've sourced the document, now can you point to exactly where in the bill that it "distorts" history and "lies outright"? I'm curious for several reasons, but mostly for the fact that you seem to have the strange idea that actual previous government interference with religion is somehow worse than lying about it happening.

This proposed resolution is yet another step on the path to an American Christian theocracy, and all they need to accomplish their goal is for the rest of us to remain apathetic.

I'd like to see a source on this. Keep in mind that I don't think you're completely wrong, just off track. It appears to be nothing more than the usual political garbage of promoting Christianity for the purpose of promoting said sponsor and co-sponsors personal goals, not creating some Christian Reich. That's standard operating procedure, and a damn fine reason why the bill should not be passed.

Personally, I have no intention of quietly surrendering any rights/freedom guaranteed me by the US Constitution.

Where does this source document do that? It's (the bill) is nothing more than a pathetic version of Pacific Americans' Month, attempting to give more credibility to a jackassed view.

Full text of HR 888 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-888)

List of Cosponsors (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr110-888)[/QUOTE]

You've sourced the document, now can you point to exactly where in the bill that it "distorts" history and "lies outright"? I'm curious for several reasons, but mostly for the fact that you seem to have the strange idea that actual previous government interference with religion is somehow worse than lying about it happening.



I'd like to see a source on this. Keep in mind that I don't think you're completely wrong, just off track. It appears to be nothing more than the usual political garbage of promoting Christianity for the purpose of promoting said sponsor and co-sponsors personal goals, not creating some Christian Reich. That's standard operating procedure, and a damn fine reason why the bill should not be passed.



Where does this source document do that? It's (the bill) is nothing more than a pathetic version of Pacific Americans' Month, attempting to give more credibility to a jackassed view.

Full text of HR 888 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-888)

List of Cosponsors (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr110-888)[/QUOTE]

No religion shall take preference in our government, yet it has been slowly slipping in. In the 1950s, under god was added to the pledge of allegiance, and now there will be a "christian heritage week." Things seem to be falling down a hill.

No religion shall take preference in our government, yet it has been slowly slipping in. In the 1950s, under god was added to the pledge of allegiance, and now there will be a "christian heritage week." Things seem to be falling down a hill.

Yeah, and we know how seriously everyone takes the pledge of allegiance and the words on the dollar bill. BY GOD, THE CONSPIRACY IS PROVEN.

Except that doesn't really address my points, AT ALL.

Try again?

Yeah, and we know how seriously everyone takes the pledge of allegiance and the words on the dollar bill. BY GOD, THE CONSPIRACY IS PROVEN.

Except that doesn't really address my points, AT ALL.

Try again?

It was a comment, if I was addressing your points, it would be in point by point format. I wasn't even arguing with you at all. Why are you so paranoid? I was commenting on how everything seems to be following a pattern. I just happened to direct it at you.

You've sourced the document, now can you point to exactly where in the bill that it "distorts" history and "lies outright"? I'm curious for several reasons, but mostly for the fact that you seem to have the strange idea that actual previous government interference with religion is somehow worse than lying about it happening.



I'd like to see a source on this. Keep in mind that I don't think you're completely wrong, just off track. It appears to be nothing more than the usual political garbage of promoting Christianity for the purpose of promoting said sponsor and co-sponsors personal goals, not creating some Christian Reich. That's standard operating procedure, and a damn fine reason why the bill should not be passed.



Where does this source document do that? It's (the bill) is nothing more than a pathetic version of Pacific Americans' Month, attempting to give more credibility to a jackassed view.

Full text of HR 888 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-888)

List of Cosponsors (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr110-888)[/quote]


Take a few minutes and read this (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/4/24725/53989).

I declare war on religion.

As we all should.

Religion has always been at war with atheists and nonbelievers of their cults, there's no reason why we as atheists shouldn't spread what we know through science to be true. Most theists DON'T have faith, but they're deluded into thinking that their beliefs have actual validity.

Lets take that away from them.

Lets make each and every one of them realize what the fuck is truth and what is a lie. Lets also let them know that they CANNOT continue to attempt to weed us out and oppress us. Atheists are the least trusted minority in america, and we're mocked at every turn by theists.

Remember that Chuck Norris "I'm going to tatoo the words "in god we trust" on the head of every atheist in america"? Why the fuck could he get away with that? If I said I wanted to tatoo, I dont' know, gravity, on the pope, or even some politico like Pat Robertson or John Ashcroft, I'd get media-fucked and have to aplogise.

Where were the hordes of atheists demanding equality there?

Look at this forum. ALL THE TIME there are threads, "how should I tell my hardline parents I'm an atheist? Do you think I should just keep it to myself?" what makes me sick is that even some mods encourage them to LIE to themselves and their parents about who they are.

Atheism is not a choice. Its the ONLY way to live life as a thinking, intelligent being. If you aren't an atheist, you're making a pretty big mistake, in a lot of ways. Not to say you can't stop making it, but its true.

Is that a bit like christianity? yes, but we're RIGHT. And instead of a self-fulfilling book, we have science. Science wins over faith, every time.

Please tell me you are just satirizing religious extremism.

I'm not, but I've already born the brunt of religious blindness and atheist persecution.

This just was sent to me:

(23:30:47) bukujutsu3: I read your post on totse and I feel that it's my Christian duty to tell you that you SERIOUSLY need to learn about Jesus Christ and be open minded about accepting him into your life or you will go to HELL(I'm not insulting you, it's just what'll happen).

This is what happens to atheists who express their view: We're threatened, turned away, and exiled. Atheists are an untrusted minority, especially in america, and we need to fight to stop that.

First it was racial freedom and gender freedom, then it was sexual freedom, hopefully, we'll get to religious freedom soon. Its kind of a shame that wasn't the first, because religion was one of (if not) the main force behind sexism, racism, and bigotry. But that's changing now.

"war" is a strong term, but its a good illustration of what needs to happen. We need a war, we need to march on washington for OUR rights. We need to fight for our right to exist and live without the spectre of christianity over our shoulder.

Is that a bit like christianity? yes, but we're RIGHT. And instead of a self-fulfilling book, we have science. Science wins over faith, every time.

And that's why Atheists like you will lose. Not because you are right, but because you are exactly like Christians. You believe that your "rightness" gives you some sort of right to enforce an UNPROVEN BELIEF on others. You can't prove the non-existence of God anymore than they can prove he exists. It's an extremity of opposites, except that both opposites encompass stupidity. Science doesn't disprove God, and probably never will, because scientists typically better things to do with their time than atheist preachers do.

You're right, science does win over faith. But atheism isn't a science.

Look at this forum. ALL THE TIME there are threads, "how should I tell my hardline parents I'm an atheist? Do you think I should just keep it to myself?" what makes me sick is that even some mods encourage them to LIE to themselves and their parents about who they are.

I don't think any atheist mod here ever encouraged a young person to lie to themselves about who they are. If a young person grows up in an environment steeped in a hard line religious belief such as Christianity and still manages to realize that they don't honestly share in the spiritual viewpoints of their parents, then they've already begun thinking for themselves. Encouraging them to stay true to themselves without completely damaging the relationship with their parents isn't bad advice - it's a totally realistic approach towards preserving their place in their family and not becoming shunned. Their chances at converting their parents are about as slim as their parents converting them - and this is, in my opinion, one of those times when fighting fire with fire isn't the best way to handle it. There's many things we discover about ourselves that we withhold from our parents, things that we realize they wouldn't understand and would try their damnedest to "fix" about us. Most of the young people in here who post their frustrations about their parent's religion have already expressed how their parents are unwilling to accept that Junior isn't cut from the same piece of spiritual cloth they are - so while Junior is forced to live in the same household as these people, Junior is going to have to learn a valuable lesson that he/she can carry with them out into the real world - that there is a time to loudly rebel, and a time to walk quietly, while carrying a big intellectual stick. Encouraging them to rebel, knowing full well it's going to cause nothing but additional hardships on their lives at home ... is bad advice. There will be a time to sit their parents down and explain to them that they refuse to share in their dogma, but while they're vulnerable to their parent's complete influence on their lives while living at home - they'd just be shooting themselves in the foot and creating an unnecessary Me Vs. Them scenario that will haunt them every second they're forced to live in their parent's home and abide by their rules.

Congressman Randy Forbes (along with several cosponsors) has introduced HR 888 for consideration by the House. The resolution claims to be about "Affirming the rich spiritual and religious history of our nation's founding and subsequent history and expressing support for designation of the first week in May as 'American religious History Week' for the appreciation of education and education on America's history of religious faith."

Sounds innocent enough, right? Guess again. The resolution uses multiple distortions of history and outright lies (perpetrated by the religious extremists) in an attempt to promote the 'Christian Nation" myth through deception. This proposed resolution is yet another step on the path to an American Christian theocracy, and all they need to accomplish their goal is for the rest of us to remain apathetic.

Personally, I have no intention of quietly surrendering any rights/freedom guaranteed me by the US Constitution.

Full text of HR 888 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-888)

List of Cosponsors (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr110-888)
The founding fathers were Christian, Jackass!

I don't think any atheist mod here ever encouraged a young person to lie to themselves about who they are. If a young person grows up in an environment steeped in a hard line religious belief such as Christianity and still manages to realize that they don't honestly share in the spiritual viewpoints of their parents, then they've already begun thinking for themselves. Encouraging them to stay true to themselves without completely damaging the relationship with their parents isn't bad advice - it's a totally realistic approach towards preserving their place in their family and not becoming shunned. Their chances at converting their parents are about as slim as their parents converting them - and this is, in my opinion, one of those times when fighting fire with fire isn't the best way to handle it. There's many things we discover about ourselves that we withhold from our parents, things that we realize they wouldn't understand and would try their damnedest to "fix" about us. Most of the young people in here who post their frustrations about their parent's religion have already expressed how their parents are unwilling to accept that Junior isn't cut from the same piece of spiritual cloth they are - so while Junior is forced to live in the same household as these people, Junior is going to have to learn a valuable lesson that he/she can carry with them out into the real world - that there is a time to loudly rebel, and a time to walk quietly, while carrying a big intellectual stick. Encouraging them to rebel, knowing full well it's going to cause nothing but additional hardships on their lives at home ... is bad advice. There will be a time to sit their parents down and explain to them that they refuse to share in their dogma, but while they're vulnerable to their parent's complete influence on their lives while living at home - they'd just be shooting themselves in the foot and creating an unnecessary Me Vs. Them scenario that will haunt them every second they're forced to live in their parent's home and abide by their rules.

They don't need to convert their parents, but they have the right to openly live their life. No amount of parental "divine right" makes that right, and like I've said before, I doubt you'd say the same thing if they were coming out about they homosexuality. If you would encourage a young gay kid to lie to themselves and their parents, than that just proves my point more.

Parents *should* accept their children for what they are, not for their preferences. If their mental viruses impede that, that's just another reason why religion is NOT a positive thing.

After living a lie and being forced to question and deny who they are, are you saying that a young atheist will be completely unharmed? If they could reach an agreement with their parents, that would be even better and make their relationship stronger, instead of based on lies.

And that's why Atheists like you will lose. Not because you are right, but because you are exactly like Christians. You believe that your "rightness" gives you some sort of right to enforce an UNPROVEN BELIEF on others. You can't prove the non-existence of God anymore than they can prove he exists. It's an extremity of opposites, except that both opposites encompass stupidity. Science doesn't disprove God, and probably never will, because scientists typically better things to do with their time than atheist preachers do.

You're right, science does win over faith. But atheism isn't a science.

The burden of proof lies on the person who wants to convince me that for me to live forever, I need to telepathically relay my servitude to a zombie jew and symbolically cannibalize him once a week.

The burden of proof lies on the person who wants to convince me that for me to live forever, I need to telepathically relay my servitude to a zombie jew and symbolically cannibalize him once a week.

Incorrect. You state that there is no God, that this is proven by science and that this gives you the right to take their beliefs away from them, like they want to do to you.

The burden of proof for such a demand is on you, especially when you don't back up any of your claims with proof, and are lying to yourself about atheism being proven by science.

The founding fathers were Christian, Jackass!

Some of the founders were Christian. Several were Deist.

The fact of the matter is, that they were Secularists, and did not frame the constitution on Christianity, or any other religious dogma.

The founding fathers were Christian, Jackass!

More like Deist, like Jefferson, who edited out the mythical stuff about miracles from the New Testament.

The founding fathers were Christian, Jackass!

No. Jackass. All the major players in the Revolution were deists. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism#Deism_in_America)

The founders of the US weren't Christian. They were culturally European, and Europe has been influenced by Judeo-Christian values.

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

They used Creator instead of God for a reason.

I'm all for a war on religion. Not just Christianity either. Religion has been the root of all problems since religion was thought of.

All in all I'm sick of being told to have an open mind and accept Jesus or whatever they want to preach, but dear god in heaven forgive an atheist if he attempts to prove something with science. It's all bullshit.

I'm all for a war on religion. Not just Christianity either. Religion has been the root of all problems since religion was thought of.

All in all I'm sick of being told to have an open mind and accept Jesus or whatever they want to preach, but dear god in heaven forgive an atheist if he attempts to prove something with science. It's all bullshit.

I'm against a war on religion. I believe that everyone should have the freedom to believe or disbelieve as they choose. I may not agree with what the religious believe, but I will defend to the death their right to believe whatever nonsense they choose. Likewise, I will defend to the death, one's right to Not believe in fairy tale characters.

As long as the religious keep their religion to themselves, I have no problem with them at all. When they try to subvert the Constitution and impose their beliefs into our government and onto the rest of us, it's time for a fight.

When they try to subvert the Constitution and impose their beliefs into our government and onto the rest of us, it's time for a fight.

Wanna read your first post?

I know what was in my first post, and it changes nothing about my last post.

I do not wish for a *war on religion*. To be honest, it is not all religions who are trying to gain control of the government. I have no quarrel with those religions who understand that *Freedom of Religion* means that all beliefs are equal under the law, and none hold preference by the government.

I am more than willing to vehemently oppose any and all religious sects (and the politicians who act as their champions) who do threaten our rights.

Congressman Randy Forbes (along with several cosponsors) has introduced HR 888 for consideration by the House. The resolution claims to be about "Affirming the rich spiritual and religious history of our nation's founding and subsequent history and expressing support for designation of the first week in May as 'American religious History Week' for the appreciation of education and education on America's history of religious faith."

Sounds innocent enough, right? Guess again. The resolution uses multiple distortions of history and outright lies (perpetrated by the religious extremists) in an attempt to promote the 'Christian Nation" myth through deception. This proposed resolution is yet another step on the path to an American Christian theocracy, and all they need to accomplish their goal is for the rest of us to remain apathetic.

Personally, I have no intention of quietly surrendering any rights/freedom guaranteed me by the US Constitution.

Full text of HR 888 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-888)

List of Cosponsors (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr110-888)



You're an incredible lame brain. All that bill is for is to designate the first week in May as `American Religious History Week'.

I suppose you believe that the religious right want Intelligent Design included into high school science classrooms because it is *good science*?