I have trouble listening to people say that evolution is not rational and don't believe in it. Unlike religion, there is solid proof, in at least what our minds can understand, that it exists. Fine, believe in god, no issue with that but to believe we started off from anything other than scratch is just plain idiocy.

lmao monkeys

lmao monkeys

lmao, evolution does not state modern humans evolved from modern monkeys or any monkey. Both evolved from a common primate ancestor.

Your statement should be something like this: Lmao, primate ancestor.

♫♪♫ Don't criticize what ya' can't understand... ♪♫♪

EVOLUTION is a mystery/ fulla change that no one sees/ clock makes a fool of history...

Mmm, Motorhead.

Dylan > Motorhead

Words to a creationist.

Dinasours.
Fossils.
Speed of light.
Diamonds.
Trillions of species.

lulz will follow.

Dylan > Lemmy > Creationists

What really angers me is people who say they believe in a combonation of evolution and intelligent design.

What really angers me is people who say they believe in a combonation of evolution and intelligent design.

What do u mean?

Do you mean evolution, with divine selection instead of natural selection?

*Pointlessly defines God into existence*

Evolution in a nutshell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zV7v2H7io8

I too have trouble listening to people say that evolution is not rational. I also have trouble listening to people say that believing anything else is idiocy.

What is rational depends on one's arbitrary choice of starting principles, so it is entirely possible that two people can be completely rational yet come to different conclusions on a subject. Logic is a way of gathering more information from what is already taken to be true, nothing more.

Can you give me valid scientific proof that undoubtedly proves the theory of evolution?
I don't think you can, yet you parade it around as scientific fact. Your faith in this theory allows you to bring others down who have a different view/interpretation of the subject, and I think that is a weak and arrogant course of action.

There's a reason it's called the theory of evolution versus the undisputed fact of evolution. It's simply the least complex, working model of the changes in species over time from one generation to the next. It doesn't say a damned thing about the origins of life, it doesn't require that it be sealed in stone as the definitive truth no matter what comes along to challenge it, and by it's very scientific nature, is open to scrutiny and could easily be replaced with a better scientific theory if new discoveries are brought to the table.

The theory itself doesn't require that you have "faith" in it - those who accept it as the simplest, most accurate model to date aren't clinging to it as though it's some kind of infallible TRUTH - they're using it to broaden their understanding of the natural world with a time-tested, widely accepted model that has been repeatedly observed to be applicable in many, many different branches of science.

The theory itself doesn't require that you have "faith" in it - those who accept it as the simplest, most accurate model to date aren't clinging to it as though it's some kind of infallible TRUTH - they're using it to broaden their understanding of the natural world with a time-tested, widely accepted model that has been repeatedly observed to be applicable in many, many different branches of science.

I've just returned from riding my bike and walking around the near by park and during that time I listened to this free improvised lecture by David Wilcock (http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=372&Itemid=70), it is a 69 minute lecture and I highly advise that you listen to it and I strongly believe that these observations and implications should not be ignored.

Edit: It also has wonderful relaxing music in the background.

Want evidence for evolution? Your sitting on it right now. We have tail bones, wisdom teeth, body hair and tonsils. Did God give us useless body parts out of spite?

Want evidence for evolution? Your sitting on it right now. We have tail bones, wisdom teeth, body hair and tonsils. Did God give us useless body parts out of spite?
:rolleyes:
The ideas I'm talking about can be found in this (http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=360&Itemid=70)article.
I'll give you a little taste of what he is talking about.

Everything we know about DNA is changing

DNA, and life as we know it, is assembled by a universal energy field that appears to be conscious:
1. Normal conditions in space cause DNA-like helixes to form spontaneously. [See previous article. (http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=355&Itemid=70)]
2. "Junk DNA" now turns out to be just as active as the genes — completely trashing all mainstream models of how DNA works.
3. Bacteria grown in space are 300 percent more toxic than bacteria grown in identical conditions on Earth.
4. A simple marine organism spontaneously evolves after being zapped with a special form of light.
New evidence increasingly tells us life is not a product of random mutations.
Some scientists are now advancing the idea of "Intelligent Design" as an alternative. The mainstream media vigorously attempts to marginalize this movement and lump it together with Creationism.
Hence, the average person is being told they either believe in science (Darwin) or superstition (Fundamentalist Creationism) — and most people are still falling for it.

Evolution has happened before

Year by year, century by century, aeon by aeon, do new species slowly appear?

Or, are there certain moments where all species on Earth spontaneously change, followed by millions of years where nothing happens?
University of Chicago paleontologists David Raup and John Sepkoski discovered just that… a 26-million-year cycle in the fossil record. (http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/81/3/801)
This came from the most exhaustive study of marine fossils ever assembled — from over 36,000 different genera:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/images/stories/raup-sepkoski-plot.gif

Raup and Sepkoski were not looking for this result… in fact, they kept working harder and harder to try to get rid of it, but the more they looked, the clearer it became.
The vertical axis of this particular chart is misleadingly labeled, as it is not a chart of ‘extinction’ but rather of ‘speciation.’
The higher the graph goes, the more new creatures are spontaneously appearing in the various layers of ocean crust — never before seen in history.
Most people simply write this off as asteroid / comet collisions or volcanic eruptions. However, some of the events you see in the graph occurred without any cataclysms going on.
Living things, all over the earth, simply "decided" it was time for a change.
Or… something pushed them!

If this were true… then DNA cannot simply be a cold, dead molecule.
It must be interacting with a Field.
Either the Field pushes the DNA to restructure itself, based on its own internal codes…
Or the Field uploads the new codes… directly into the DNA itself!
We now have incontrovertible evidence that this is exactly what is happening. The scientists simply haven’t realized what they’ve got yet.



Educate yourselves people, the information is out there, don't just blindly accept what the mainstream science and media tell you. THINK

^Very fucking interesting shit there, n' it makes me think of 2012 ...

okay, I read the article. It's the same old creationist bullshit. Evolution is not chance. It's Natural Selection. How many fucking times have we said this? Oh, believing what mainstream scientists tell us? They told us lead in gasoline is a hazard and they told us microorganisms cause diseases, not an angry god. I could stay here for hours stating what science has told us. A 3000 year old book tells us nothing!

:rolleyes:
DNA, and life as we know it, is assembled by a universal energy field that appears to be conscious:
1. Normal conditions in space cause DNA-like helixes to form spontaneously. [See previous article. (http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=355&Itemid=70)]
2. "Junk DNA" now turns out to be just as active as the genes — completely trashing all mainstream models of how DNA works.
3. Bacteria grown in space are 300 percent more toxic than bacteria grown in identical conditions on Earth.
4. A simple marine organism spontaneously evolves after being zapped with a special form of light.
New evidence increasingly tells us life is not a product of random mutations.
Some scientists are now advancing the idea of "Intelligent Design" as an alternative.


1. So? That is a very interesting discovery, but it definitely does not support your claim that there is an "universal energy field that appears to be conscious".

2. "Junk DNA" is simply part of the DNA we haven't found a function for. If new functions are found for that DNA, great - it would by definition cease to be "junk DNA".

This still does not support the idea of "a universal energy field that appears to be conscious", nor does it turn our understanding of DNA around as you claim, because the possibility of this "junk DNA" actually serving a purpose was still open. Scientists just don't know about it's functions for now - if indeed it does have any. That doesn't mean they claimed we would never find a function for it.


3. So? Yes, bacteria can become deadlier or more benign depending on the environment they grow in. It seems "weightlessness" affects them positively.

Again this is a very interesting discovery, but it does not support your claims in the least.

4. Could you please provide a source for this? I couldn't find anything remotely approaching that.

The mainstream media vigorously attempts to marginalize this movement and lump it together with Creationism.
Hence, the average person is being told they either believe in science (Darwin) or superstition (Fundamentalist Creationism) — and most people are still falling for it.

1. The mainstream media hasn't been "marginalizing" ID at all - maybe some publications are are actually devoted to Science (like Scientific America for example) but all in all most broadcasters haven't been marginalizing anything.

2. The connection between ID and Creationism is a valid one. Most of those trying to promote ID are actually creationists in disguise. They've literally taken creationists books, done a "Find and Replace" job on them, and copy+pasted "Intelligent Design proponent" on top of "creationist", and then sold them as ID books instead ('Of Pandas and People' being a good example). It's that sad.

Could some of them actually believe in ID itself and not ultimately in Christian creationism? Sure. But they are in the minority. So much so that a life-long Christian Judge appointed George Bush saw it that way, and ruled against ID in Kansas schools precisely because it was a deceitful campaign by creationists to insert religion into the classroom



The vertical axis of this particular chart is misleadingly labeled, as it is not a chart of ‘extinction’ but rather of ‘speciation.’

That is just plain false. The authors of the study make it quite clear they are speaking of extinction, and not speciation. You simply cannot change their data to mean speciation on your whim.


We now have incontrovertible evidence that this is exactly what is happening. The scientists simply haven’t realized what they’ve got yet.

Educate yourselves people, the information is out there, don't just blindly accept what the mainstream science and media tell you. THINK

It's quite funny that you attack people for "parading evolution as a fact" yet you yourself just paraded this nonsense as "incontrovertible evidence" when it doesn't even support what you're claiming!

Nothing of what you provided supports the idea of a universal energy field that appears to be conscious. In fact, I'm willing to bet that those Scientists you're using as a source don't believe in your non-sense to begin with!

The ideas I'm talking about can be found in this (http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=360&Itemid=70)article.
I'll give you a little taste of what he is talking about.

Educate yourselves people, the information is out there, don't just blindly accept what the mainstream science and media tell you. THINK

This is the culminating end to your article:

Therefore, it appears that every person on Earth is experiencing an energetic DNA charge-up right now, and it’s triggering an evolution in humanity as we know it.

This could be responsible for an ever-increasing amount of paranormal reports in our society — synchronicity, ESP and psychic ability, ghost sightings, and even the steady rise in IQ scores.

It may also be responsible for the incredible rise in political, economic, religious and social tensions in the world at this time. All the ‘hidden’ material is being exposed in the light of Truth.

You honestly believe that if this were happening scientists the world over would be silent about it (Except for David Wilcock the author of the information on your site)

Let's find out who David Wilcock is...shall we?

David Wilcock is a professional lecturer, filmmaker and researcher of ancient civilizations, consciousness science, and new paradigms of matter and energy....

David is also the subject and co-author of the international bestseller, The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?, which explores the remarkable similarities between David and Edgar, features many of David's most inspiring psychic readings, and reveals documented NASA scientific proof of interplanetary climate change… and how it directly impacts our DNA.

It seems our David here, believes himself the reicarnation of Edgar Cayce. David here is a professional researcher of ancient civilizations. He gives psychic readings. He seems to have all the abilities and qualifications that should lend his global climate change scenario some credit. In short, magic.