Sorry I meant Genesis 1:28.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth

My question is, are we required to reproduce? I really don't want any kids, the thought of my own offspring frightens me, and I would probably set a bad example as a father. I would prefer to use a condom every time.

Anyway, some people tell me that God encourages us to "be fruitful and multiply", but not necessarily command us to.

Well, it seems to me that if God is telling you to do something, you are supposed to do it. He doesn't "encourage", he doesn't "hope" that you'll do something, He tells you to do it. You either obey him or do what you want. Now, I'm not a Christian, but I have read the Bible extensively (not the whole thing, I admit), and it always came across to me that God is a hard ass motherfucker who expects you to do what he says whether he "commands" you or not.

God does not want you to use a condom....he demands abstinence before marraige.

This is great for the church since marraige falls into their realm, and if you cannot get your balls played with until you marry.....you will find a wife quick.

Costs a good deal of money to rent a church and preacher for a wedding, not to mention every little kid you spit out (and by not using condoms you will a lot) will be brought up in an already xtian meme infected household. Wait 18 or so years and the church will see another 10% of a persons wealth being added to their ever growing coffers.

Condoms were not allowed in Ireland until the 1980's. Our current xtian president has spent more money on abstinence programs than birth control programs.

Another reason why religion is fucked up:

It doesn't change with the times.

When "be fruitful and multiply" was written in the Bible (2000 years ago), there was no such thing as "condoms" or "birth control."

So once some new piece of technology is introduced, religion has to deny it because if it doesn't, it makes the religion look fallible and weak (example: Both the Catholic and Lutheran churches condemned Galileo and threatened him with death if he didn't retract his statements that "The Sun is the center of the Universe")

Science>Religion

Science will always adapt, and won't deny something because it will make them look bad. Science is all about progress. Religion is all about tradition.

So you can stick with tradition (blood letting, lots of children [that make every problem in the world worse [[pollution, resources, etc]]]) or you can stick with progress (stem-cells to cure diseases, 2 children (so that there is little population growth)).

God does not want you to use a condom....he demands abstinence before marraige.

This is great for the church since marraige falls into their realm, and if you cannot get your balls played with until you marry.....you will find a wife quick.

Costs a good deal of money to rent a church and preacher for a wedding, not to mention every little kid you spit out (and by not using condoms you will a lot) will be brought up in an already xtian meme infected household. Wait 18 or so years and the church will see another 10% of a persons wealth being added to their ever growing coffers.

Condoms were not allowed in Ireland until the 1980's. Our current xtian president has spent more money on abstinence programs than birth control programs.

I'm sorry I wasn't very specific with my first post. I am aware that I need to be abstinent. I was talking about after marriage, assuming I can find someone who doesn't want kids.

I'm sorry I wasn't very specific with my first post. I am aware that I need to be abstinent. I was talking about after marriage, assuming I can find someone who doesn't want kids.

I don't think God is a fan of contraception. People were killed for spilling their seed. Many passages in the bible tell a man not to throw his seed on the ground. The seed was sacred to them. You had to leave the village if you had a wet dream (a sin btw).

God is not a fan of the condom or safe sex. He is a fan of abstinence or fucking your wife only.

What I am saying is that if you are gonna fuck your wife with a condom or she takes the pill, you have already pissed on God's leg so why worry about whether or not he wants you to have a kid.

I don't think God is a fan of contraception. People were killed for spilling their seed. Many passages in the bible tell a man not to throw his seed on the ground. The seed was sacred to them. You had to leave the village if you had a wet dream (a sin btw).

God is not a fan of the condom or safe sex. He is a fan of abstinence or fucking your wife only.

What I am saying is that if you are gonna fuck your wife with a condom or she takes the pill, you have already pissed on God's leg so why worry about whether or not he wants you to have a kid.

The person killed for spilling seed that you are referring to is Onan, and that is not why. It is because he was sleeping with his brother's wife Tamar. God didn't kill him for spilling his seed, but because he used Tamar for sex. At this time of the bible when a women is widowed, the brother is required to give the woman a child. Onan did not want to give her a child. Instead of being honest about this, he was treacherous and used withdrawal as a method of birth control. He was slain because he refused to impregnate his brother's widow. That is why he is seen as evil.

And, how are wet dreams a sin? It's a completely involuntary natural process that happens when too much semen accumulates in the body (like when you hold back from masturbating for quite a while). Nocturnal emissions also happen around the age of 12-14 when the male first hits puberty.

God is not a fan of the condom or safe sex. He is a fan of abstinence or fucking your wife only.

God wants to fuck my wife? :(

Anywho, Kykeon sounds right. God is bad-ass, so remember, there's only one good place to spill your seed. Inside your wife.

But really, I spill it everywhere from my keyboard to my girlfriends parents bed.

I completely agree that wet dreams are a natural process...God should have known this as well...and told his people that. Instead he does this:

"If any man among you who is not clean by reason of what chances to him by night, then he shall go outside the camp. He shall not come inside the camp, but when evening comes, he shall bathe himself in water, and as the sun sets, he may come inside the camp."
— Deuteronomy 23:9-11

As far as your orginal question I believe "Go forth be fruitful and multiply" is a command and the very first one.

Children are indeed a blessing, and they are one of the Lord's purposes for creation. God made humans in two sexes, designed to complement one another, to image his glory, and by reproduction to fill the Earth with that glory. Amid the sexual chaos of our society, Christians need to be faithful to God's purposes for us as sexual beings created in his image.

Basically unless you have a good reason for not doing what the lord created us for you piss him off, unless you take a vow of celibacy in the lord's name and become one of his shepards.

Breed if you want or don't breed. Fuck this imaginary concept of god. Who gives a shit what a God who punishes CHILDREN for the inequeties of the PARENT thinks? It is a load of shit. All of it. Be an atheist and free your mind.

Sorry I meant Genesis 1:28.



My question is, are we required to reproduce? I really don't want any kids, the thought of my own offspring frightens me, and I would probably set a bad example as a father. I would prefer to use a condom every time.

Anyway, some people tell me that God encourages us to "be fruitful and multiply", but not necessarily command us to.

Paul says that celibacy is better. To him, marriage was just a way to avoid fornication.

Our current xtian president has spent more money on abstinence programs than birth control programs.

Ever though that he wants the birthrate to increase so there are more Americans therefore less room for foreigners?

Ever though that he wants the birthrate to increase so there are more Americans therefore less room for foreigners?

Without birth control those married people won't be able to help getting pregnant.

Even the guys.

God doesn't give a flying fuck if you get your dick wet or not. Don't be such a fucking idiotic bible thumping faggot. :rolleyes:

God doesn't give a flying fuck if you get your dick wet or not. Don't be such a fucking idiotic bible thumping faggot. :rolleyes:

Yes He does. In fact, He says that those with sexual immorality will not inherit the kingdom of God, and will be thrown into a lake of fire and brimstone (Hell). The apostle Paul tells us that if we cannot control our sexual desires that we should marry, to avoid sexual sin.

Basically, you can get your dick wet all you want after you are married, and even then it can STILL be a sin if you overindulge in it, and your relationship is based on lust instead of love. My question is whether or not He commands us to have kids. Some websites have said that contraception and condoms are sinful, some say they are not, and some websites say that it is OK to use contraception, but you must have kids eventually because it was the first thing God told us to do in the book of Genesis when He created man.

God gave you free will, so whether or not you believe in Divine Truth is a choice that rests with you.

God was speaking to Adam and Eve. Being the only humans, they had to reproduce for the species to continue. We are in different circumstances now, and you are not Adam or Eve.

God was speaking to Adam and Eve. Being the only humans, they had to reproduce for the species to continue. We are in different circumstances now, and you are not Adam or Eve.

This is true, you make a good point. Some of the Bible, especially the Old Testament is not going to apply to society by today's standards, and I would have to assume that God understands this. It's just another reason not to take everything in the Good Book literally

However, wouldn't be against God's will, since he created the penis and vagina (and the other internal organs involved for that matter) for this purpose?

This is true, you make a good point. Some of the Bible, especially the Old Testament is not going to apply to society by today's standards, and I would have to assume that God understands this. It's just another reason not to take everything in the Good Book literally

However, wouldn't be against God's will, since he created the penis and vagina (and the other internal organs involved for that matter) for this purpose?

He created facial hair; this does not mean you need a beard. He gave us free will.

God was speaking to Adam and Eve. Being the only humans, they had to reproduce for the species to continue. We are in different circumstances now, and you are not Adam or Eve.

No one was, really. They are mythical figures, okay? The Bible-and particularly the Old Testament--is mostly myth and metaphor, and since the OT was written for a rather primitive tribe of nomads, it is largely irrelevant today.

No one was, really. They are mythical figures, okay? The Bible-and particularly the Old Testament--is mostly myth and metaphor, and since the OT was written for a rather primitive tribe of nomads, it is largely irrelevant today.

The Bible is not irrelevant or mythical, it is the unfallable and inerrant word of God.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17


I would agree that the Bible is riddled with contradiction, as a result of being copied and passed down for thousands, if not millions of years. It was also poorly translated back and forth between ancient Hebrew, old world English, and Greek. Regardless, it doesn't prove anything. If you believe the Bible is wrong, you are saying God's word is wrong, therefore you reject the Divine Truth. That is why you cannot take the Bible literally, even though it says the book is "literal and inerrant".

"Be fruitful, and multiply" was the first thing He told us to do. Whether or not he was speaking to Adam and Eve doesn't matter. He told them to "fill the Earth". The earth may already be full, but I would have to assume his wishes remain intact, after all we are created this way.

Oh, and Gallows, read this:

Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not make a round cutting of the hair of your head, nor disfigure your beard. (LXX)
Leviticus 21:5 And ye shall not shave your head for the dead with a baldness on the top; and they shall not shave their beard (LXX)

...you were saying?

The Bible is not irrelevant or mythical, it is the unfallable and inerrant word of God.


I would agree that the Bible is riddled with contradiction, as a result of being copied and passed down for thousands, if not millions of years. It was also poorly translated back and forth between ancient Hebrew, old world English, and Greek.

So...the Bible is the true word of God and there is nothing wrong with it. Yet you admit that due to translation errors, etc., the Bible we have today (in some countries anyway), is wrong?

Herein lies the big problem with holy texts - interpretation. If everything in the Bible was God's word, then we should follow it exactly and not deviate. It seems however that organs of religion pick and choose certain bits to follow.

For example, I'm assuming BillGatesJR is Christian, does he then have a beard or uncut hair, as so eloquently demanded in his quoted passage from Leviticus?

So...the Bible is the true word of God and there is nothing wrong with it. Yet you admit that due to translation errors, etc., the Bible we have today (in some countries anyway), is wrong?

Herein lies the big problem with holy texts - interpretation. If everything in the Bible was God's word, then we should follow it exactly and not deviate. It seems however that organs of religion pick and choose certain bits to follow.

For example, I'm assuming BillGatesJR is Christian, does he then have a beard or uncut hair, as so eloquently demanded in his quoted passage from Leviticus?

Try to bear with me, if I wasn't confused by all of this I wouldn't have posted here, so I apologize if my wording doesn't make sense.

"Be fruitful, and multiply" can't really be interpreted any other way, while there are billions of different viewpoints on the rest of the Bible.

I posted this from Leviticus to show Gallows that during that era, God made a statement regarding facial hair. It obviously doesn't apply today, as the laws are different, but that is beside the point. My point is that He also made a statement regarding reproduction.

The reason I am extremely misguided by Christianity is that people tell me that the Old Testament does not apply to Christians because Jesus freed us from these laws. But in the book of Matthew, it can be clearly seen that Jesus' teachings were based on scripture from what we now know as the Old Testament. So, if the Old Testament is irrelevant, isn't Jesus' teachings? Someone told me that none of it really applies to us at all, and that the most important thing is to love and do as you will.

I see your point, and my crux is not with you, rather with the religious institutions and their scriptures.

If you have a circle, and take bits out of it, then you are not left with a circle. Same with "God's word".

...you were saying?
You're taking it out of context. Do you believe blood must be shed for your atonement? Do you believe that you are unclean for a day after you ejaculate? It's hard to relate to you. What religion are you a part of?

You're taking it out of context. Do you believe blood must be shed for your atonement? Do you believe that you are unclean for a day after you ejaculate? It's hard to relate to you. What religion are you a part of?

I am a Christian, a very confused Christian that is going to burn in hell unless he finds answers...that's me.

Are we to follow Jesus' scripture-based teachings, or "love and do as you will"?

Jesus said "If you love me you will obey me", and "Nobody goes to the Father except through me". Yet, I am told that nothing in the Bible matters and that you are only sinning if your pleasure turns you away from God. What about the "inerrant Word of God" clause?

Sorry I meant Genesis 1:28.



My question is, are we required to reproduce? I really don't want any kids, the thought of my own offspring frightens me, and I would probably set a bad example as a father. I would prefer to use a condom every time.

Anyway, some people tell me that God encourages us to "be fruitful and multiply", but not necessarily command us to.

Bill, everyone wants kids. You wouldn't have the fear of being a bad parental example if you didn't have the desire for a child. What is more important on the issue is whether or not you'll face that fear one day.

In regards to your worries of disobedience:

Man has already been fruitful and multiplied: that order of God's was fulfilled a long time ago. Mankind has dominion over all the Earth and its skies and of its seas.

Try and understand this: God promised the Messiah, he fulfilled that promise. He doesn't continue to send more Messiahs.

On the other hand, loving your neighbor as yourself requires continual fulfillment, for you will ALWAYS show yourself love, thus to fulfill that commandment, you must ALWAYS show your neighbor love.

Also, don't beat yourself up too badly when you slip from the path God has set before you. God knows that the Law is too strict for His children to flawlessly follow; we ALL have desires that we will foolishly place in higher importance than Faith. It is by our misuse of the gift of volition that we do such. Fear not and fret not: Love easily matches Wrath. Forgiveness and Mercy come to any who ask in faith:

"Let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind."

"Love covers a whole multitude of sins."

When you find yourself worrying about things of the spiritual nature, just remember that God fought and won a war on our behalf 2000 years ago. We've ALL been saved from our sins and forgiven of them ALL, even those who haven't yet accepted Grace.

"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

Bill, everyone wants kids.



"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."


Wrong. I never wanted kids, and got a vasectomy before I had any. I didn't think they were worth the trouble and expense, and I have seen nothing in the last thirty years or so since to prove me wrong.

What's more, the planet is vastly over-crowded, and the situation is getting worse.

Oh, and Bill? Don't worry about hell. There is no such place--this myth was concocted by the priesthood in order to help them control the flock, keep the laity in line.

I am a Christian, a very confused Christian that is going to burn in hell unless he finds answers...that's me.

Are we to follow Jesus' scripture-based teachings, or "love and do as you will"?

Jesus said "If you love me you will obey me", and "Nobody goes to the Father except through me". Yet, I am told that nothing in the Bible matters and that you are only sinning if your pleasure turns you away from God. What about the "inerrant Word of God" clause?

It's almost as if you are debating an imaginary person. Half the stuff you say someone said, has not been said in this thread. Do whatever you feel is right.

It's almost as if you are debating an imaginary person. Half the stuff you say someone said, has not been said in this thread. Do whatever you feel is right.

Sorry if I mislead you, I wasn't referring to what was said in this thread. To my surprise, I also have a life outside of totse. People have told me things left and right, and they just don't add up to one another, or the Bible. And since the Bible contradicts itself over and over, that makes Christianity more confusing.

For example, if I do what I feel is right like you suggested, I would most certainly be gambling with my soul, because the mind of man is evil by nature and I would have to rely solely on my own assumption of God's will. I think that would constitute violation of the Second Commandment:


Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

Sorry if I mislead you, I wasn't referring to what was said in this thread. To my surprise, I also have a life outside of totse. People have told me things left and right, and they just don't add up to one another, or the Bible. And since the Bible contradicts itself over and over, that makes Christianity more confusing.

For example, if I do what I feel is right like you suggested, I would most certainly be gambling with my soul, because the mind of man is evil by nature and I would have to rely solely on my own assumption of God's will. I think that would constitute violation of the Second Commandment:

The Holy Spirit is more powerful than the mind of man.