I just got done watching a "history of everything" video on youtube. It was basically explaining the universe's creation as well as life on Earth from a scientific perspective. Now the video was quite corny, stayed on some eras too long and skipped other important ones but that's not the point..

After the video, I scrolled down to the comment section where people leave their input. In it were handfuls of people posting comments like "AMAZING!" and "The was beautiful!" but other comments from a religious perspective seemed to shutter at the thought of people actually watching that sort of viewing material. They proceeded to deny everything the video talked about while posting bible verses and exclaiming scientists are wrong and ignorant.

Now this got me thinking: why do people care if another disagrees with their viewpoints? I don't preach my scientific viewpoints on religious people and some of my best friends are religious. I know both sides, religious and non-religious people, seem to debate and fight about who's right but it doesn't accomplish anything and just gets people pissy towards each other after proclaiming absurd comments like "you're just ignorant!" and so forth. You know what I'm saying though.

Anyway my question is, why do people care what other people believe in? Does it hurt religious people that others choose to believe in a scientific theory, even if it couldn't be farther from the truth? Does it hurt scientific people that a vast majority choose to believe in the existence of a supreme being, which could also be wrong? WHAT'S ALL THIS FIGHTING ABOUT??? Can't we all just except that each and every one of us has different opinions, even though some are right and some are wrong? That's what is so great about opinions, they don't have to be correct but you can still believe in it.

It would just be really nice if everyone would just except each other's beliefs and not question other people's ideals. They don't hurt you and yours don't hurt them, unless you push them upon others which truly needs to stop.

Thoughts?

btw, this is not a thread I've made to argue in. I want tolerant, honest and straightforward posters in here. I'm sure you understand what I expect.

Can't we all just except that each and every one of us has different opinions, even though some are right and some are wrong?

No

Most people can't.

Link please.

WHAT'S ALL THIS FIGHTING ABOUT???

Control.

Simple control.

The church had it once, and have misplaced it somewhere between murdering people and fucking altar boys b/c they are so sexually repressed.

It is (for me) about theists controlling things in a secular society they have no business controlling. It is about sin tax on alcohol, and cigarettes. It is about banning alcohol sales on THEIR day of worship. It is about out lawing gambling in the name of god, and having bingo on saturday nights. It is about dictating who can marry and who can not. It is about re-writing history and science books, with imaginative bullshit.

All based on NOTHING MORE than a group of sheeple's wild imagination.

I do not have a problem with Hindu's, Muslims, or Buddhists. I do not agree with the shit, but do not feel the need to "Fight" them, as they have not ursurped control of ONE of the TWO major political parties in the U.S. in an effort to gain control.

Because youtube is the 4chan of video sites.

I Think people really need to stop taking everything they read to be a perfect truth no exceptions even truthfull mathmatical equations i.e. 2+2=4. question why something can't rather than why is can because if it can't it proves either it can or can't happen.

Questioning what your doing is harder than questioning what they are doing because you have to answer yourself with a satisfing answer rather than saying to someone some random regurgitated(sp) shit answer .

We can't just accept others beliefs and shouldn't even tolerate them in some situations. The reason is that we don't just believe things, we try to change the world around us based around those beliefs. He who wins the war isn't right, He decides what is right. I fight everyone who tries to subject me to their beliefs because I want to decide what is right.

"The worst weapon that man can obtain is believing he is morally correct."

I agree with BrokeProphet; Yes, it would be a perfect world if people gathered their opinions and left it at that, but in our world that simply isn't the case, we not only argue about our opinions, even worse, we try and put them into action.

People prefer order over chaos.

They will hold onto anything, as long as it makes them feel right.

"The worst weapon that man can obtain is believing he is morally correct."

I agree with BrokeProphet; Yes, it would be a perfect world if people gathered their opinions and left it at that, but in our world that simply isn't the case, we not only argue about our opinions, even worse, we try and put them into action.

This would be an awful world. There goes law, democracy, politics, raising children, basically everything. Having beliefs and influencing others is not a bad thing whatsoever, just do it in a humane, structured system.

It seems like he was probably referring to spiritual opinions on morality and such.

I just got done watching a "history of everything" video on youtube. It was basically explaining the universe's creation as well as life on Earth from a scientific perspective. Now the video was quite corny, stayed on some eras too long and skipped other important ones but that's not the point..

After the video, I scrolled down to the comment section where people leave their input. In it were handfuls of people posting comments like "AMAZING!" and "The was beautiful!" but other comments from a religious perspective seemed to shutter at the thought of people actually watching that sort of viewing material. They proceeded to deny everything the video talked about while posting bible verses and exclaiming scientists are wrong and ignorant.

Now this got me thinking: why do people care if another disagrees with their viewpoints? I don't preach my scientific viewpoints on religious people and some of my best friends are religious. I know both sides, religious and non-religious people, seem to debate and fight about who's right but it doesn't accomplish anything and just gets people pissy towards each other after proclaiming absurd comments like "you're just ignorant!" and so forth. You know what I'm saying though.

Anyway my question is, why do people care what other people believe in? Does it hurt religious people that others choose to believe in a scientific theory, even if it couldn't be farther from the truth? Does it hurt scientific people that a vast majority choose to believe in the existence of a supreme being, which could also be wrong? WHAT'S ALL THIS FIGHTING ABOUT??? Can't we all just except that each and every one of us has different opinions, even though some are right and some are wrong? That's what is so great about opinions, they don't have to be correct but you can still believe in it.

It would just be really nice if everyone would just except each other's beliefs and not question other people's ideals. They don't hurt you and yours don't hurt them, unless you push them upon others which truly needs to stop.

Thoughts?

btw, this is not a thread I've made to argue in. I want tolerant, honest and straightforward posters in here. I'm sure you understand what I expect.

good luck keeping it under control. though i'm not religious, so my input is unnessessary.

I just got done watching a "history of everything" video on youtube. It was basically explaining the universe's creation as well as life on Earth from a scientific perspective. Now the video was quite corny, stayed on some eras too long and skipped other important ones but that's not the point..

After the video, I scrolled down to the comment section where people leave their input. In it were handfuls of people posting comments like "AMAZING!" and "The was beautiful!" but other comments from a religious perspective seemed to shutter at the thought of people actually watching that sort of viewing material. They proceeded to deny everything the video talked about while posting bible verses and exclaiming scientists are wrong and ignorant.

Now this got me thinking: why do people care if another disagrees with their viewpoints? I don't preach my scientific viewpoints on religious people and some of my best friends are religious. I know both sides, religious and non-religious people, seem to debate and fight about who's right but it doesn't accomplish anything and just gets people pissy towards each other after proclaiming absurd comments like "you're just ignorant!" and so forth. You know what I'm saying though.

Anyway my question is, why do people care what other people believe in? Does it hurt religious people that others choose to believe in a scientific theory, even if it couldn't be farther from the truth? Does it hurt scientific people that a vast majority choose to believe in the existence of a supreme being, which could also be wrong? WHAT'S ALL THIS FIGHTING ABOUT??? Can't we all just except that each and every one of us has different opinions, even though some are right and some are wrong? That's what is so great about opinions, they don't have to be correct but you can still believe in it.

It would just be really nice if everyone would just except each other's beliefs and not question other people's ideals. They don't hurt you and yours don't hurt them, unless you push them upon others which truly needs to stop.

Thoughts?

btw, this is not a thread I've made to argue in. I want tolerant, honest and straightforward posters in here. I'm sure you understand what I expect.

From what I've observed, it can work either of these two ways:

1. The religious instigate the non-religious by trying to convert/convince them or otherwise infringe on them, as this will increase the religious' "goodness" in their god's eyes and/or trying to convert or "help" others in some way is one of their given tasks. Argument ensues

2. The non-religious instigate the religious because they are holding us back as a whole, with what is essentially a massive, never-ending disinformation campaign. Argument ensues.

Regarding OPs "why"-- I ascribe much of the current acrimony and extremism to the death throes of the Piscean Age and the birth throes of the Aquarian Age.

Jesus, Zeus, Allah, or The Mahatma, we would just get along with a little ganja.

But seriously there is too much to life to hate.

Anyway my question is, why do people care...WHAT'S ALL THIS FIGHTING ABOUT???

When a man picks up the sword, it stems from the belief that he must fight.

The soldiers of spiritual warfare, on both sides, have no real trust of others: they see others as fundamentally flawed in their ability to think, feel, reason, and decide without information and input from themselves. This action results from holding great esteem for one's own thoughts, feelings, reasonings, and decisions (this is called pride...or more commonly, being an asshole). They hold onto the notion that they possess the ability to guide another's heart to 'the truth'.

The atheist sees godlessness as truth, the theist sees god as truth. That's just fine and dandy right there. But the fighting between some atheists and theists results solely from the inability to accept their own flaws in thought, emotion, logic, and action. I'm trying to think of what I once heard said about this all (it got me chuckling)...ah, "Their life sucks, so they spend all their time trying to control others' lives so they can make the other person's life suck as much as theirs. It levels the playing field for a miserable fuck if everyone else is miserable."

That, of course, being a well overdrawn extrapolation of 'misery loves company'.

If someone asks a question, sure, answer. But if there is no question presented, your opinion usually doesn't mean shit...and even when you are asked, it typically doesn't mean much.

Religious and secularist will sadly duke it out for a long time until either side is "extinct" in a manner of speaking.

Ultimately it comes down to one thing with this division as well as any other division... Fear, we fear being wrong, the truth, the facts, change.

I wrote an article called "Unwillingness To Change" in it I explain the unwillingness of man to change. Its the fifth page of the article here is the link to the 5th page:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/544829/speaking_my_mind_part_2_the_individual.html?page=5

What do the religious people fear? There beliefs being wrong or incorrect, hear science is better than religion in so many ways, having there doctrines challenged. What do the secularist fear? There rights being infringed upon by the religious right and going back to the dark ages of superstition and of course, there own views and opinions being challenged.

If I can say one piece of advice that both sides should really consider to take the tension off the Secularist V. God debate is to very simply remember this:

"To have a coherent and rational debate about the tenets of the Christianity is perfectly natural. To have a virulent, almost irrational attack upon it claiming that what is being said is self evidently true is dangerous, not just because it refuses to allow any contrary viewpoint but also because it affects the public perception of religion."- Source of quote: http://egina2.blogspot.com/2007/12/archbishop-of-wales-anti-fundamentalist.html

Which is what i see many atheist doing, in an attempt to make religion look like bullshit and what I see fundamentalist doing to make religion look bad. As long as both sides continue to think there right 100% and Pride themselves on there beliefs than no one wins and everyone loses...