I'm curious as to what the beliefs are of the theists, or even the ideas of religion/spirituality of those who are open minded and have no solid stance on the matter.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

Basically I'm interested in people's beliefs. Share anything you feel like.... recent revelations perhaps.

It'd be nice to see that I'm not the only one here that believes something.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

1. Who's God? The homeless man on central and 4th says he is god, but the guy on 5th says he is. So I don't believe eitehr of them, lieing pieces of shit just want my money. I usually like homeless guys too.

2. Same as the homeless guys. Except this one is an old lady on 11th. I don't even think the supposed Man called Jesus even exsisted.

3. I really don't care. The only ones that are cool are eastern thought, and Hinduism. Hells yeah to many armed chicks.


All in all, I don't give two shits what any guy in a steepled building with roman torture devices hanging on it's walls says. Or what some guy that has people on his knees praying to some rubix cube in some desert. I do't care about them until they shove their lies in front of me and down my throat. If god loves me, I'd prefer it if his holy dudes didn't try to deep throat me with their ramblings.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?

I think that the many ideas labelled god are very easy to delineate. But if I want to treat god as more than just a sound-pattern linked by numerous people to numerous concepts, then things become very difficult. For it seems that I cannot define it by the similarities between the concepts conventionally labelled god within cultures and subcultures, since they are so diverse: for example, some say that god created everything, while others say that it did not create anything, but that it is everything. So perhaps the solution, then, is to move away from the internal definitions and toward the external functions. God would then quite quickly appear to many as an active presence that delimits the possible. But here I worry about interpretation problems, as indicated here (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2088571).

For the reasons expressed, I am hesitant about using the term atheist for myself. Certainly, I do not believe in the Abrahamic deity or Brahman, but to call myself an atheist, when it now comes with so many connotations, and when I may reject god as anything specific but a sound-pattern, I find problematic. To prevent confusion, rather than tell people I am an atheist, I would much rather ask them what they mean when they use the word god, unless it is blatantly obvious, and then evaluate them individually.

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?

Bracketing questions of Jesus’ historical existence and divinity, I want to draw attention to what I find to be an interesting similarity between Jesus and Epicurus, Christianity and Hellenistic philosophy. The latter was born out of the effects political upheaval, centralized government and despotism had on the mind of the subject: because it had lost all political power, all control over external circumstances, and was being swirled around within a chaos, it turned its search for self-fulfilment inward and came to define happiness as absence of pain. This ultimate goal, happiness, was to be achieved through resignation of life and acquiescence: for the stoics and epicureans, everything passes and everything is fated, so one must live simple and unattached, accepting all that comes, while the sceptics said nothing can be known, and so we might as well give up the strain caused by the search for truth and be tranquil.

Similarly, Christianity taught obedience to the state, acquiescence and ascetic resignation from life for spiritual (inner) fulfilment. But whereas Epicureanism denied an afterlife, and stoicism did not promise personal immortality, Christianity promised an eternity in heaven; I believe this is one reason why Christianity replaced stoicism as the state religion of Rome. Certainly, stoicism, like all the other Hellenistic philosophies, was not, for the most part, just a philosophy: they were also cults. This is another point of similarity: both Christians and Epicureans lived in communes, and just as Christians believed Jesus to be the son of God, the Epicureans believed Epicurus was divine.

So to answer your question, I believe Christianity was born out of the same poverty as Hellenistic philosophy, and therefore that Jesus, whether real or fictional, was a nihilist. On a side note, I believe this ties in well with Marx’s theory of religion as the consequence of a politically alienated man. In fact, I believe that it essentially comes to the same conclusion, at least within the case of Christianity.

relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

My opinions on them are probably trivial.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?

I don't know what my God is. I don't even know if what I believe in could even be called a God. I don't know any of its specific properties. I don't know where it came from or if it created the universe or if it will end it. I don't even know if it exists only in my imagination or not.

All I have is that I sense something out there, and I respect it.

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?

Jesus may or may not have been telling the truth. Jesus may or may not have even been real. I don't know, but I don't think it really matters.

What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

They may or may not be telling the truth. I don't know, but I don't think it really matters.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?

God is the oneness of all.

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?

I think that it is most probable that Jesus from the bible did not exist, and was just a story that got recycled through many religions, ultimately originating in paganism. But I also think that lots of what 'Jesus said' in the bible can be very meaningful, if interpreted a certain way.

But thats the problem with religions. People should find the answers themselves, not follow along with insanity without question.

What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

They're false, but all have some truth if you look for it.

Basically I'm interested in people's beliefs. Share anything you feel like.... recent revelations perhaps.

I believe quieting the mind opens you up, brings about realizations about reality. I believe entheogens can be used ritualistically with the proper intention to learn more about the intricate nature of reality. Or God, in so little words.

God is the oneness of all.



I think that it is most probable that Jesus from the bible did not exist, and was just a story that got recycled through many religions, ultimately originating in paganism. But I also think that many of this 'Jesus said' in the bible can be very meaningful, if interpreted a certain way.

But thats the problem with religions. People should find the answers themselves, not follow along with insanity without question.



They're false, but all have some truth if you look for it.



I believe quieting the mind opens you up, brings about realizations about reality. I believe entheogens can be used ritualistically with the proper intention to learn more about the intricate nature of reality. Or God, in so little words.

Shroomin up for the almighty one?

Now theres a bitchin religion.

This thread has the potential to be a better consensus than the Poll we've had running for months now. Some people probably have difficulty assigning their beliefs to just one denomination.

This thread has the potential to be a better consensus than the Poll we've had running for months now. Some people probably have difficulty assigning their beliefs to just one denomination.

I see what you mean, the poll says that 60% of totse is athiest. And that only like 15 is chritian. WHich doesn't seem to be the picture here.

I see what you mean, the poll says that 60% of totse is athiest. And that only like 15 is chritian. WHich doesn't seem to be the picture here.

I don't think either (christian or atheist) has been adequately represented here to portray the entire Totse population. It'll take awhile for this thread to mature before any accurate *picture* is available.

Only 4 people have responded to the OP.

*bump*

I have not responded b/c I am trying not to shit on threads that seem to be more about pure theistic discussion, with atheism, as I have been known to do (especially since I am trying to clean Obbe shit off one of my threads as I type this) Hare said something about this in the thread about favorite bible verses and it got me thinking. If atheists were to back off and allow some theistic disscussion between theists ONLY it would draw more theists here. THEN when we have a enough fish in the barrell.....:)

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I am 100% atheist. I believe that any idea cannot be taken seriously and given any credence without evidence of some kind.

That being said I will say this.....I do not hate theists. I really don't. I know some of you can dredge my posts and find out something I have said to the contrary. I do not hate someone for believing in something without evidence.

I hate someone who believes in something, without evidence, and ALSO believes they should be able to fuck with my life based on that belief.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

1) I have absolutely no idea who or what God is. All I know is that I have this feeling that there's some other, higher force out there. I feel this way more when I'm in nature and less when I'm around people. It's really hard to articulate, but it is really just this sense of awe and wonder and a feeling that accompanies it.

2) I love Jesus's message of Love, Understanding, and Forgiveness. However, I don't really dwell on the afterlife, or whether or not it exists. It's something that we will never know until it's too late. Also, unChristian Christians have been a huge turn off to the Christian religion for me.

3) Organized religion sucks. Personal religion and spirituality are good.

I'm curious as to what the beliefs are of the theists, or even the ideas of religion/spirituality of those who are open minded and have no solid stance on the matter.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is? Dead
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us? Non existent
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons? Social Control

Basically I'm interested in people's beliefs. Share anything you feel like.... recent revelations perhaps.

It'd be nice to see that I'm not the only one here that believes something.
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I think that the many ideas labelled god are very easy to delineate. But if I want to treat god as more than just a sound-pattern linked by numerous people to numerous concepts, then things become very difficult. For it seems that I cannot define it by the similarities between the concepts conventionally labelled god within cultures and subcultures, since they are so diverse: for example, some say that god created everything, while others say that it did not create anything, but that it is everything. So perhaps the solution, then, is to move away from the internal definitions and toward the external functions. God would then quite quickly appear to many as an active presence that delimits the possible. But here I worry about interpretation problems, as indicated here (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2088571).

For the reasons expressed, I am hesitant about using the term atheist for myself. Certainly, I do not believe in the Abrahamic deity or Brahman, but to call myself an atheist, when it now comes with so many connotations, and when I may reject god as anything specific but a sound-pattern, I find problematic. To prevent confusion, rather than tell people I am an atheist, I would much rather ask them what they mean when they use the word god, unless it is blatantly obvious, and then evaluate them individually.


You sound sort of like an ignostic (no, I don't mean agnostic).

I'm curious as to what the beliefs are of the theists, or even the ideas of religion/spirituality of those who are open minded and have no solid stance on the matter.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

Basically I'm interested in people's beliefs. Share anything you feel like.... recent revelations perhaps.

It'd be nice to see that I'm not the only one here that believes something.

I believe there cannot be nothing so there must be something! That something is one thing, as in - totally connected! There cannot be any gaps or 'nothing' to seperate us from each and all. There cannot be nothing, that is an absolute nothingness, therefore the fundamentalist xian image of a righteous and pure God who exists elsewhere, seperate from this sinful dimension, and who created the universe out of nothing cannot be true. How is it possible for fundamentalist xian god to create a universe seperate from him/her self? An ancient philosopher said if horses had gods they would look and act like horses, that seems the way it is. Humans make images/descritions of god/s except we seem to make them in our own image, our imagination.

Therein lies a quandary, how to describe the indescribable? If one was to say God is a spirit, or: God is Spirit what does that mean. Spirit, as in an individual incorporeal being without shape or form(whatever that is), or Spirit as: all being, the aggregate of sentience? None of those things can tell. All descriptions of God are inadequate. One can perhaps describe better what god is not.

God is not seperate from humanity, for what is it that would seperate? There cannot be nothing so it seems all that exists must be connected there cannot be any gaps so whatever god is and, whatever we are, we are all part of the one infinite something that exists everywhere because there cannot be a nowhere or a nothing.

Jesus is another quandary. Who to believe" Am I, along with the disciple Thomas, allowed the proof of checking out the wounds before making my decision? Why when Jesus was accused of blasphemy for saying he was the son of god did he reply: 'your own scriptures say' "You are Gods" 'so how can you kill me for saying I am the son of god'? Does that mean he was affirming that we are Gods?

The etymology of Jesus name interested me so looked it up in a dictionary and apparently one translation is that Jesus means: God is Help. That made sense because of the selfless things I see humans doing to help one another{and thinking of God in an abstract kind of way as the Logos, Word or Reason or as the highest or controlling principle}, it seemed the most pure expression of divinity I have seen, or felt, is the unconditional help humans give each other - especially in times of need.

A lot of my thoughts about god comes down to personal stuff. For example one time I was bushwalking and fell off a small mountain, after bouncing headlong off a couple of ledges I went face first over a cliff. From there I could see all the way to the bottom- roughly a couple hundred metres. Being sure I was going to die, thoughts sped thru my mind and I did as when the nightmares came in childhood and called out "Jesus". Shortly after my head smacked into the cliff face and the next bit's somewhat blurry but I recall coming to, caught by some bushes growing out the side of the mountain, suspended above the remaining 150 metres or so! The very first thought in my mind was a verse repeated three times in the bible: "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved". And saved I was, when the selfless emergency service volunteers came in the middle of the night and dragged me up the side of the mountain with a rope!

IMHO We are all one, one reflection of infinite being in an infinite kaleidoscope of being, in infinite dimensions of being - because there cannot be 'nothing' so there must simply be an infinite totally connected something! That infinite being has consciousness and we are fractals of that consciousness. God is what we call the rest of our own greater being.

Cheers:D

^ Nice

God is the oneness of all.


To be fair that doesn't really say anything about what you believe god to be. Is there anything that differentiates your understandings of God and anyone else's understandings of the universe?


1) I have absolutely no idea who or what God is. All I know is that I have this feeling that there's some other, higher force out there. I feel this way more when I'm in nature and less when I'm around people. It's really hard to articulate, but it is really just this sense of awe and wonder and a feeling that accompanies it.

There's a story. I can't remember how it goes exactly but it's something about a Father who asks his son where he's been. His son reples that he's been to the forest to spend some time with God. His father says, "oh you don't need to go to the forest to see God. God is everywhere. God is no different in the forest than he is here in your home", to which the son replied "Sure, but in the forest I am different".

I guess it's about being in a peaceful mental state without worldly distractions. The mind has more clarity and can perceive reality more accurately... which gives rise to an experience that can be related to a closer relationship God.



2) I love Jesus's message of Love, Understanding, and Forgiveness. However, I don't really dwell on the afterlife, or whether or not it exists. It's something that we will never know until it's too late. Also, unChristian Christians have been a huge turn off to the Christian religion for me.

3) Organized religion sucks. Personal religion and spirituality are good.

Fo sho!

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?

I believe God is the sum of everything which exists. I am a manifestation of God, as is everybody else, the earth, space, energy, etc.

Basically, God to me is just a way of saying "The reason things are the way they are". The chinese concept of "Tao" is very close to my beliefs regarding God.

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?

Assuming Jesus existed, I believe he was a very smart man, but due to the falliable nature of humanity, most of his teachings have been corrupted over the ages.

As for him being the son of God? I believe that, but only in the sense that we are all products of the universe, and , in that sense, all children of God.

What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

Every religion gets some stuff right, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

However, I've always felt that the Eastern religions, most specifically Taoism and Buddhism, to be the most "right" in that they are the easiest to mesh with our current knowledge of the universe.

1. Accept everything.
2. Judge nothing.
3. Bless everyone.
4. We are All One.

To be fair that doesn't really say anything about what you believe god to be. Is there anything that differentiates your understandings of God and anyone else's understandings of the universe?

Well, for one, my understanding of God as the oneness of all would not end with 'our universe'. I believe all to be ... well ... all! Infinite, all realities, all world-lines which expand from the common 'being', the origin of all. All things are actually just one, any 'thing' is just a position experiencing a possible arrangement of other positions for the one to expereince.

1.) No idea really, I'm kinda leaning to some sort of universal consciousness/energy type thing.

2.) I think Jesus was some dude who, whether real or imaginary, has been misunderstood in his teachings of acceptance and forgiveness. As far as I can tell anyway.

3.) I think other religions are just someone else's view of the world/method of controlling people. i.e. Christianity is used by some to explain or comfort, and used by others to keep millions under their control.

I believe in myself.:)

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?


1. The concept of God as some sort of magical being that created everything seems rediculous to me. I just don't understand it. I understand the underlying concept though, that he represents creation and destruction and all those fancy things, but I still don't buy it.

2. I really don't know how to feel about Jesus. I don't how all the pictures depicted of him (that I've seen at least, from classics to modern concepts) are clearly Caucasian, yet he'd clearly be of darker complexion from where he's from. It's rediculous contradictions like this that have made me loose faith in religion.

3. I used to be a hard core Atheist. I was totally down for bashing religions of all sorts and spent a considerable amount of time trying to disprove god and the like. But lately I've realized that I absolutely hate all forms of organized religion and want no part in any of them. I live in a world where information is at my fingertips so I'm perfectly capable of creating my own ideals, morals and beliefs. So that's that, no religion for me, and I'm happy.

1. The concept of God as some sort of magical being that created everything seems rediculous to me.

Maybe God isn't magical at all, but can be explained scientifically. For instance God may be the consciousness of energy which has the ability to direct its own existence.
Just an idea.

Maybe God isn't magical at all, but can be explained scientifically. For instance God may be the consciousness of energy which has the ability to direct its own existence.
Just an idea.

And a wide-spread one. This is pretty much what everyone who has attained the seventh level of higher consciousness says.

This thread has the potential to be a better consensus than the Poll we've had running for months now. Some people probably have difficulty assigning their beliefs to just one denomination.

I suggest stickying it.

I suggest stickying it.

Done.

My faith lies in <3.

Maybe God isn't magical at all, but can be explained scientifically. For instance God may be the consciousness of energy which has the ability to direct its own existence.
Just an idea.

I've considered something like this before but not under the label of God. It's an interesting concept though.

I have no religious beliefs. I'm a 'strong' atheist and following that there's no purpose in myself answering your questions.

Maybe God isn't magical at all, but can be explained scientifically. For instance God may be the consciousness of energy which has the ability to direct its own existence.
Just an idea.

Recommend Dr Emoto's work - vis a vis Hado pronounced ha - do. Seen in films such as "What the bleep do we know?" Dr Emoto in his latest work uses scientific methodology to show that the energy that fills the gaps between the quantum particles of atoms, is in fact 'consciousness' or; as per the science: electro-magnetic waves.

Cheers:)

1. Accept everything.
2. Judge nothing.
3. Bless everyone.
4. We are All One.

i'd hate to see you crash and burn with those set of beliefs, im hoping you just didnt have the time and did a quick emotionally charged outline, because my beliefs are similar but ive refined them some

Judge nothing? judging is a survival mechanism,it helps you protect yourself and your loved ones, to not judge is to become a tool, you do want to act for yourself right?

i say, judge a man by his brain(brain= actions first of all, words second) and not appearances or initial impressions,

Love by my definition is ceasing to judge, easy to do once you accept something for what it is. i believe this is true for me but if i loved everything my love would be meaningless, and as a human i'd like my life to have meaning. leads to the next point

Accept everything? lol, come on... if you accepted everything you'd be full of contradictions. Give everything a try, and eliminate any contradicting beliefs by making a decision based on yourself(emotion instinct and reason) and as little outside influence as possible and Accept what you WANT(you should want to accept anything you know you cant change) to accept, and do not accept anything you know you can change(if you want to change it that is).

Bless everyone? theres people in the world that would take your blessing and shit on it. why waste your time?

bless those who deserve it, which is everyone that you know, everyone you see on the street radiating happiness, enjoying their life. the girl who smiles at you as you walk by the bus stop, the bum on the corner asking for change(for the fact hes not robbing you hes respecting you and asking you)

We are all one

I've felt the universal conciousness and my mind opening up to it(under the influence of drugs, something tells me that i shouldnt accept realizations that i make on drugs, but this one sticks for some reason, gut feeling), this is as close to a blind belief ill ever go,

God>Man>Me

Be with God. Help Man. I'm happy.

1. God is. Any more than that is extremely unnecessary for me.
2. Jesus was. He had a perfect relationship with God and shared his perfect relationship with us to serve as an example of God's Power, Mercy, Forgiveness, and Love.
3. Do you mean other understandings of God? Or do you mean those who worship themselves before they worship God?

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religions?

1. God is... To me God is in our very essence or being yet outside the physical universe. You will never see God outside of you unless you "have the eyes to see; ears to hear." God is not judgmental in my books, but Love, Forgiveness, Wisdom and Life.

Since I am Gnostic the Gnostic is not theistic rather Panentheistic which beliefs that God interpenetrates every part of nature, but is nevertheless fully distinct from nature. So this god is part of nature, but still retains an independent identity. He is within you but outside of the physical as well.

Basically all-encompassing being Good and Evil; Right and Wrong and all those polarities. Yet God is unknowable because God transcends everything. In that respect God to me is the Ultimate Reality, God is potential and actual.

It becomes hard to explain the Gnostic God without going into some long drawn essay...


2. Well in reality even if there was a Jesus in Jerusalem during the Crucifixion it had nothing to do with the crucified Christos that day. Basically, whether or not Jesus was real, visionary or just non-existent it really doesn't matter to me.

Personally, I find Christ to be like a Spiritual double of the better me the highest version of me. He is not separate from me but a part of me, therefore, I find Christ to be a spiritual being who really was in visions and things like that.


3. As a Gnostic I am inclusive and believe they are all right in varying degrees. All religions have a gnostic backing in various degrees. If the religion promotes truth, love, freedom and wisdom than I have nothing to argue about... I just am not fond of Fundamentalist types who put other religions down by saying "My way or no way."

I am no evangelist, I find evangelism as childish by saying "Your wrong and I am right..." I have one question who's to say your 100% right?

Godfather, would it be fair to say that the gnostic God is the one described in the Tao te Ching?

"When you are still
The Master shows its soul
When you chase desires
You see only his body"

^
That being that God is creation, but also creator?

The Tao is Gnosis according to what I have read yes, Gnosis is only part of it, like any experience you will forget, the important thing is to remember. The Tao is Gnosis, if one doesn't understand Gnosticism than look at Taoism... it works out...

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?

I don't know. If there is a God, it's most likely everything

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?

Just a wise man. Relation to god and us, I don't know.

What are your beliefs regarding other religions?
None, although I'm not very fond of religions. Unless they're stupid and totally go against evidence like evangelism or something.

Everything is always uncertain, but it's convenient to act as if most things are certain. Reality is insane.

God>Man>Me
3. Do you mean other understandings of God?

Yes. That I do.

Yes. That I do.

In that case. I think we all believe in the same God, but we all understand It differently upon our own positions in life.

The Gnostic God is what is called "The God above god". In other words all our presumptions about god means nothing, as God is transcends our understanding, yet as part of Gnostic belief we are part of that transcendental being, hence why I say God is Potentiality and Actuality.

A funny way to remember or understand this is: just when you think you know something there is more to it you didn't even know. This statement when experienced brings about a feeling of confusion and awareness of ignorance, in the Gnostic myth that is Sophia or Wisdom, one of the aspects of God. So confusion and Awareness of Ignorance is what I call the beginnings of Wisdom.

1. Accept everything, except Christianity.
2. Judge nothing, except Christians.
3. Bless everyone, except Christians. Scorn them with every ounce of your being.
4. We are All One, except Christians. They can't come to our party.

Fixed.*

1. Accept everything, except FAKE Christianity.
2. Judge nothing, except FAKE Christians.
3. Bless everyone, except FAKE Christians. Scorn them with every ounce of your being.
4. We are All One, except FAKE Christians. They can't come to our party.

Fixed.*

Doubly fixed.

Pray tell, whom are you accusing of being a fake Christian, and what does that have to do with the point I was making?

^^^^start making interesting; updating thread here again digi

Pray tell, whom are you accusing of being a fake Christian, and what does that have to do with the point I was making?

I was calling YOU a FAKE Christian, or Christ-Con as I like to call your kind, and the point is that you're a stupid bitch and Jesus told me you're the only one he doesn't love!
You just don't understand the brilliance of Arms, it's like quantum mechanics and general relativity. At the highest level what he said is totally true, but at this level it's more convenient to, well, it's hard to put into words.

I was calling YOU a FAKE Christian, or Christ-Con as I like to call your kind, and the point is that you're a stupid bitch and Jesus told me you're the only one he doesn't love!
You just don't understand the brilliance of Arms, it's like quantum mechanics and general relativity. At the highest level what he said is totally true, but at this level it's more convenient to, well, it's hard to put into words.

May I ask you, Buku, what the problem is with simplifying the expression of one's Wisdom so that it may be shared with those who seek it?

I do appreciate ArmsMerchant's own understanding, but I do quite honestly think he's stuck where he is at. He doesn't seem to recognize exact mirrors of his own understanding that exist within the echelons of intellectualism, main-stream intellect, and sub-intellectualism. I don't understand the rigidity possessed in holding only to super-intellectualism when the very expression of, 'We are all one' brings a dictate to myself that I am to share my understanding upon all the planes of thoughts. For this reason, I speak of my faith in God in many terms...but typically, I keep it in terms of intellectualism and main-stream intellect for the sole purpose of ENCOUNTERING more of my brothers within those two levels of thought.

Why am I to espouse wisdom in terms that cannot be understood by those I am talking to?

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?


1. God is full of shit, no matter which god it is
2. Jesus was a hippie, he smoked weed, and had blood of wine(think family guy :D) and as such got arrested by the romans and spiked
3. All religions are the same - they all revolve around money, power and false promises(much like the government)


Theres only 2 things i believe in, and thats life and death.

I'm curious as to what the beliefs are of the theists, or even the ideas of religion/spirituality of those who are open minded and have no solid stance on the matter.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

Basically I'm interested in people's beliefs. Share anything you feel like.... recent revelations perhaps.

It'd be nice to see that I'm not the only one here that believes something.

Well, I finally got around to answering this thread.

1. God is the wholeness of existence. That is as succinct as I can get.

2. Jesus was a good person. I believe his teachings were true and are modernly misinterpreted and were expanded on by the people who recorded his teachings, ultimately corrupting some of it (When recording his teachings, I believe some people changed them according to their opinion). In relation to god, I believe he was a child of god and is a part of god, as is everybody and everything.

3. I believe all religions are correct and/or achieve their purpose, in how I see it. I think that the purpose of all religions is to foster happiness and contentment. Most religion, as I see and understand them, are different representations of the same thing.

I believe Wilt Chamberlain created the universe and initiated the big bang by taking a neutron star and slam dunking it into a black hole.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?

We are all a part of God, but mainly, I think we just are a fucking virus XD

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?

Well Jesus was a jew and all he wanted to do was fuck us over by telling us what to do and give us hope then take it away then he goes lolz jk I 'reincarnated' Then the story just ends with people talking about how great he is, which he wasn't.

What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?


Basically I'm interested in people's beliefs. Share anything you feel like.... recent revelations perhaps.

It'd be nice to see that I'm not the only one here that believes something.

Well other religions are pretty cool, I've read other shit but mainly im just getting involved with my 'inner' selves to see what my potential is now and how i can deal with it. :P

a.k.a Satan :P

Yes I am going to hell, fuck your going to hell too because you masturbated didn't you?

I forgive myself and thats the best I can do :P
and yes, I am a moron... fuck you :P

I believe science trumps all.

I believe everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs but once you make these beliefs a public matter, they are open to scrutiny and will be laid bare by science.

I believe people can and should form little fantasy clubs where they can discuss there myths and folklore with each other. Again, the moment they enter the public light in any fashion they are welcoming all scrutiny and criticisms.

I believe a person or group of peoples beliefs should not affect a non-believer, IF said person or group lacks sufficient evidence to warrent such affect.

That is to say...keep thy religion to thyself.

1. The God of my life, is me. It's up to me to make good decisions for my own survival, and I'll suffer if I dont.

2. I dont even know that Jesus existed.

3. Any religion that tells me my god-given instincts (if you believe in god) are wrong, is complete bullshit.

As far as the afterlife, as far as I know, I havn't died yet, so I dont know. I can only speculate. The only proof I have to what direction god wants me to follow, is nature, wich tells me life is all about struggle and my own interests. Anyone with interests other than my own, is wrong and my enemy, and if I am capable, and it seems like my best option, I will do what I can to destroy them.

EDIT: one thing about the afterlife I do know, is there is such thing as a genetic memory. This is what instinct comes from. Animals dont have to be taught who they should run from, or who they dont have to fear. They dont have to be taught to have sex with their own kind, and reproduce.

1. God is... To me God is in our very essence or being yet outside the physical universe. You will never see God outside of you unless you "have the eyes to see; ears to hear." God is not judgmental in my books, but Love, Forgiveness, Wisdom and Life.

Since I am Gnostic the Gnostic is not theistic rather Panentheistic which beliefs that God interpenetrates every part of nature, but is nevertheless fully distinct from nature. So this god is part of nature, but still retains an independent identity. He is within you but outside of the physical as well.

God is unknowable because God transcends everything. In that respect God to me is the Ultimate Reality, God is potential and actual.

It becomes hard to explain the Gnostic God without going into some long drawn essay...


As a Gnostic I am inclusive and believe all religions are all right in varying degrees. All religions have a gnostic backing in various degrees. If the religion promotes truth, love, freedom and wisdom than I have nothing to argue about...


The Gnostic God is what is called "The God above god". In other words all our presumptions about god means nothing, as God is transcends our understanding, yet as part of Gnostic belief we are part of that transcendental being, hence why I say God is Potentiality and Actuality.



Hi Everyone,

I copy and pasted much of what Godfather89 said, as I am in pretty much in agreement with his Gnostic description of God...

As far as Jesus is concerned, I got no comments on him...

I will go past Godfather89's description of God to say that besides my recognizing his Gnostic description of God, as the Ultimate Reality, or as the Ultimate Transcendental God, I personally believe that this Ultimate Transcendental God, himself created some of the God's and Goddessess of mythology...

So I myself believe that some of the God's and Goddesses of mythology are CREATED God's and Goddesses that were created by the Ultimate Transcendental God...

I also believe that some of the God's and Goddesses from mythology were made up by people and never existed, and that some of the God's and Goddesses from mythology were CREATED by the Ultimate Transcendental God and really do exist in higher dimensions...

I do know that lots of people believe that the God's and Goddesses of mythology are just the imaginations of ancient peoples, and I can respect that... I am just sharing my own personal beliefs with you...


Ancient One

According to my beliefs, God is pure consciousness. God is a force of benevolence, grace and love. God is the Oversoul - made of the same substance (purusha) as our souls, but in a state of perfection. God controls all the universes in existence and is beyond space and time. God is the Ultimate Reality.

I believe Jesus to be an avatar of Vishnu, or a reincarnation of Krishna - the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Hare Kirshna
Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna
Hare Hare

Hare Rama
Hare Rama
Rama Rama
Hare Hare

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

1. God is EVERYTHING GOOD. (Isn't that simple) Killing two birds with one stone, (Just a saying) Now you know what thSatan is. (Everything bad)
2. YESHUA is the ONLY begotten son of God, who died for our sins (without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins) so that ONE child could become many. The Father gave what He loved for love/family.
3. Doctrines of devils. RELIGION period, limits the Father. Religion is LEGALISM, that says things must be done in a certain ORDER otherwise you can't be 'SAVED' from wrath. The Father only placed one stipulation, "BELIEVE" saved by grace through faith. Grace means you can't earn it. Faith is because you believe. This is how Abraham became the Father of ONE nation? No! Many nations. Faith united the people into one. God's people.

God is a concept encompassing the whole of humanity. Man can do anything he wishes to himself or the world, if we work as a whole.

Jesus was a really smart guy who realized that people should be good to one another, doesnt that still make sense without religion?

Religion is a thing that makes people act crazy in massive numbers, so it seems normal.

Here it is!!! I think I've finalized my beliefs for a while, I had an amazing epiphany, with six tenets!
Okay:

1. The universe exists now. Someone may have created it, or we may just be in a weird, weird thing.
2. We are animals with high intelligence, and we are in a cycle of worry for all of mankind's existence. We are operating the world the wrong way, placing too much stock in made up concepts which have evolved into today's capitalism and the way society is run.
3. Nothing matters in the sense that most people believe it does- there's no need to worry about things you do not even understand (everything.. we understand nothing as human beings)
4. We are greedy. The key to happiness is to suppress our innate tendency towards greed as much as we can.
5. We may very well be miracles, chosen as inhabitants of Earth, the only planet which can sustain life in our solar system.. Or it's possible that there are other creatures in this HUMUNGOUS universe.
6. Our eyes are a frosted glass window to the outside world. We see what we were meant to see. i wanna FUCK eva longoria.

i don't think any religions are wrong.. everyone needs an explanation for why we exist. you gotta remember, that everyone sees life their own way. it need not be changed.. everything is alright, amidst all the corruption and guilt we are brainwashed into having.. we need not be ashamed of anything because it couldn't be any other way. we are put on here to make what we want of of the situation in which we were born..

Soon enough, we'll be gone. anger, contempt and ignorance all lead to wasted opportunities and complicates things..


if you ever want to feel alright, look up at the sky......





ohh my god............................................... .................................... Oh jeez man..............
we are so small, there is so much space out there.....

oh my fucking shit.

need to go lay down now.

1 Well god must be very bored, and have a sense of humor (duck-billed platypus, Africa, and nipples on a man) Also a sonofabitch with him knowing all that has happened, will happen, and is happening and going and creating Lucifer anyways.

2 Jesus was a good guy telling everybody that to get into heaven you have to be nice to each other (he even says you don't have to have any peticuler beliefs in invisible men) but was killed for it.

3 Most religions are full of shit, Buddhism is pretty good be nice, sit and think, go to nirvana

Im actually being active in this forum so ill lay it all out.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?

For some reason, god created existence as we know it. Why? Don't know. When? Don't know. There is evidence to support evolution, and the universe as a whole being around for a while. So I am gonna go with the theory that it has been.

Now we are here, on earth. God wants are attention. He loves us, as his children. We cant possible give him anything except our devotion. So thats what he asks for. Why? Again, not sure.
God is love and so he has love for us. I guess his only request bing that have it in return.

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?

When god created adam and eve. That was the whole product. Adam was everything a man is, and eve was everything a woman was. For whatever reason. God tested them. And they failed. Or more specifically, Adam failed. he, as the man should have protected eve, and stood up to the serpant. This was his call as a man. He failed. She.. was not rescued. Since then, the problem with men is they forgot how to be men, and the problem with women is there are not real men. Jesus was god showing us how to do it. How to be men again. This sounds REALLY sexist, but its what I beleive. Christ was god, was human, and died for all of our sins. And in doing so, rescued us. He taught women that real men exist, and taught men an example of how it works. Thats the current theory anyway. May be edited later.

What are your beliefs regarding other religeons? It seems that what I beleave doesnt leave any room for us to buy our way into heaven. unlike nearly any other organized religion. Thats why i think this one is the only 'true' religion.

people don't follow religions, they manipulate them.


having said that, a personal 'god' exists for every being capable of perceiving of it. god(sic) is a social construct created by individuals, its just the idea of which is manifest in societies. No two people's perception of god are exactly the same, a perception of god is just a reflection of an individual's highest idea of virtue.
This is how moral relativism and religious manipulation work under the guise of moral absolutism.
At best, religion is a way to help people to form their own morals based on a sense of social responsibility and mutual respect.
At worst 'god' is used to instill fear in people as a means of control. i don't think i need to expand on this point.

A truly moral person is somebody who doesn't rely on god at all for moral guidance.
Accepting a sense of existentialist despair will suffice when you are no longer gullible enough to accept false hope, and are free from the chains of religious obligation.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?

God was a blast of energy that started what we know to be our four dimensional universe (3 physical dimensions and 1 temporal dimension). Like in an extra-dimensional reality, this blast of energy just came by bumped into something, created our universe, and went on its way. Most likely, not even realizing it had created this universe.

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?

Jesus was just one of many people claiming to be a prophet of his time. He, however, actually took the old Jewish Law from the time when the Jews were nomadic, and acted out what they believed would be the events that signaled to them that their messiah had arrived. He did this in a time when the Jewish Temple dictated law (the laws that weren't enforced by the Romans). Basically, he took his cult from a religious stand point to a political stand point, which caused the Jewish people to say Jesus was committing blasphemies towards their God.

By taking his cult into a political realm, he was able to make his religion more noticeable to the public over the hundreds of other religions and cults going on at the time. This, in turn, set his religion into the path of becoming a mainstream religion.

What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

They are all the same. Because each religion was founded at different times in different place, the perspective of their creators were different. This is what makes each religion seem different from the next.

I believe in 33 crore gods of hinduism.. why believe in ONE god?

Let me have some fucking choice god dammnit/

I've probably posted something completely different in this thread, but here we go.

I believe that humans are just animals. We are not spectacular, or holy in any way.

However.

We do have the ability to unite and think, and we should follow the Golden Rule, and generally try to better our species.

I believe that because there are so many religions, all of them are false. Think about how fervently a Christian believes. He believes the Bible is totally true. Ok, now imagine he just happened to come out of a vagina in India. Same dude. He's going to believe in Hinduism. Wholly and completely. Why? Not because he has been touched by any GOD. because he was brought up that way. taught that this particular fairy tale was true. Children are very impressionable. It is taught alongside the fucking alphabet. it is true.

anyway, i probably didn't explain it too well.

but also, i am not trying to condone this death or poke fun.. i think it is very sad. i am by no means a dick, or an evil person.

but, it just can't be ignored.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,357046,00.html

ok, this dude has done great work for God. Converted many, provided inspirational music for Christians and praised God in his many songs.

Why did his child die? There is literally no reason God would want to take a 5 year old child away from one of his most famous, faithful servants.

It is ridiculous to think that God rewards those who are good and punishes the wicked.

In some places, it is stated that God WILL help you on earth if you are faithful, but in others, your reward is only in heaven. You can be shit on in life, but you will get some vague reward. Maybe a palace or maybe just..

The point is, all Christianity is, since the writing of the Bible, is speculation. The Catholic Church flat out makes shit up, and I believe that that is evil. It is an injustice to mankind to trick so many humans. That is bad humanity to me.

This was probably a really ridiculous write-up and I'm sorry for saying all of this.

There is just absolutely no one in real life I can tell this shit to that will listen without cutting me off.

^That was some good stuff, Feds. I was especially digging these key points:

humans are just animals

we should try to better our species

so many religions, all of them are false

It is an injustice to mankind to trick so many humans

I believe in god in the sense that its good tool we've been taught since childhood to channel our subconcious and give it direction according to our miraculous ability to make seemingly "informed" decisions.

I don't believe in the bible or any other religious text thats been victim to a game of "telephone" throughout the ages. I believe there is only one truth , in a sense, we are all connected somehow.

Everything is debatable, really. but the bottom line is we are all here & we are all going to not be here very soon. so try and have fun, dont pass up an opportunity and dont be afraid to make mistakes or speak your mind.

& dont be a dick.

l8ter guys,

I see nothing that is known to exist in the universe that cannot better be explained by natural causation than by the intervention of a supernatural deity who cannot be proven to exist. Therefor, I live under the assumption that such a being does not exist. Although the odds are exceedingly against it happening, If overwhelming emperical evidence were to be found to the contrary, I would willingly (after verification of said evidence) change my position.

I see nothing that is known to exist in the universe that cannot better be explained by natural causation than by the intervention of a supernatural deity who cannot be proven to exist. Therefor, I live under the assumption that such a being does not exist. Although the odds are exceedingly against it happening, If overwhelming emperical evidence were to be found to the contrary, I would willingly (after verification of said evidence) change my position.

You should get a job writing terms and conditions :)

I think that given the evidence we have it is absolutely impossible, even insolent, to believe we can empirically or rationally deduce the origin of being, if there ever was one. Given that we have only ever seen one place with life on it, know little if anything about the nature of life, and are not infinitely wise, it is irrelevant what anyone deduces or decides, as it is beyond us and beyond our technology to deduce. It is even more impossibe, assuming there was a first cause, and that this first cause was sentient, to empirically decide what this being thinks. If this being exists it is a fucking mammoth of incomprensible wisdom and foresight. Conisder, that this thing must have designed your circulatory system, must have programmed evolutionary process, and set all six universal constants precisely; this designer, if existant, is totally beyond recognizible
characteristics or traits that we could attribute to anything we've ever seen before. I personally hold that the meaning of life is to find happiness, interest and love in whatever you do. And as Sarte rightly points out: It does not affect you in any sense whether or not there is or was a designer, as you cannot know its will, or if it wills anything of you. I believe it is far more pragmatic to assume it is beyond your capacity for reason, and to live as happily as you can for the brief and beautiful time you have, for you have been nonexistant before, and you will be nonexistant again.

God is love, Jesus was the son of god, the son son of a virgin mother. Others religions are lies to lure you away from Jesus, Christianity is the true religion.

Maybe God isn't magical at all, but can be explained scientifically. For instance God may be the consciousness of energy which has the ability to direct its own existence.
Just an idea.

So where's your evidence?

God is love, Jesus was the son of god, the son son of a virgin mother. Others religions are lies to lure you away from Jesus, Christianity is the true religion.

Mary was a prostitute. You cant make a baby from nothing.

And all religions are lies. They scam you of your money, your life and eventually brainwash you into thinking they are right and everything else is wrong.

And all religions are lies. They scam you of your money, your life and eventually brainwash you into thinking they are right and everything else is wrong.

Sounds like most people/societies/the world.

sounds like most people/societies/the world.

qfmft

I'm curious as to what the beliefs are of the theists, or even the ideas of religion/spirituality of those who are open minded and have no solid stance on the matter.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religions?



1. What god is? The creator and giver of life.
2. Jesus/relation? The sun/ Astro-literary hybrid. (Story about the stars.)
3.Other? See above.


I don't believe in your god, but I know the Sun creates life.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?


In my mind, God is the balancing force of the universe. I do not believe God guides every action and controls us all; every action is really the reaction to an action before it. It is Causality, not God, that truly rules all that exists. However, what happened in the beginning? There had to have been an initial action to set in motion the chain reaction that lead to our creation. I believe God was that "initial action". In many cultures God is the creator; some divine being who, in his "wisdom", created the Earth and the Universe. I believe God was merely the action which created, and has no tangible shape, form, or mind.

Jesus was a man born on a special date. It is most likely that some "great prophet" once said that our "savior" would be born on this day. Jesus was merely an unfortunate victim of belief and circumstance. He was lead to believe he was our savior, and died for it. He was, however, a great man in his life; he lived to help people and tried to make people see their "sinful" ways. Though his beliefs would contradict mine, I respect his conviction that lead him to his demise.

My beliefs regarding religions?
Christianity is bullocks.
Catholicism is bullocks.
Buddhism is bullocks.
Satanism is the true way to live ones life.
All others are bullocks.

But you peepz'll have to decide for yourselves.

1.) i think that some type of God must exist, but that he isnt omniscient or all powerful. I dont even thin that he interacts with our every day lives or that of the universe. I do think that something made us and the universe, either intentionally or accidentally. I'm thinking more along the lines of intentional. The natural balance of the universe i.e atoms, molecules, physics, etc. is too perfect to not be made by a superior force. If one thing were different with the atomic structure, it wouldnt exist. I personally believe that something made us and either abandoned us or didnt give a shit. Hell, maybe we are shit shat out by something ALOT bigger than us...

2.) I think that Jesus was either a storyteller who people just characterized as the son of god, or was a self-proclaimed prophet who got out of hand. Theres no denying that he existed, but he wasnt the son of god.

3.) I really dont care about any religions. I think that people should believe whatever they want. People shouldnt discriminate against others because of their beliefs.

In my mind, God is the balancing force of the universe. I do not believe God guides every action and controls us all; every action is really the reaction to an action before it. It is Causality, not God, that truly rules all that exists. However, what happened in the beginning? There had to have been an initial action to set in motion the chain reaction that lead to our creation. I believe God was that "initial action". In many cultures God is the creator; some divine being who, in his "wisdom", created the Earth and the Universe. I believe God was merely the action which created, and has no tangible shape, form, or mind.

Jesus was a man born on a special date. It is most likely that some "great prophet" once said that our "savior" would be born on this day. Jesus was merely an unfortunate victim of belief and circumstance. He was lead to believe he was our savior, and died for it. He was, however, a great man in his life; he lived to help people and tried to make people see their "sinful" ways. Though his beliefs would contradict mine, I respect his conviction that lead him to his demise.

My beliefs regarding religions?
Christianity is bullocks.
Catholicism is bullocks.
Buddhism is bullocks.
Satanism is the true way to live ones life.
All others are bullocks.

But you peepz'll have to decide for yourselves.

You know whats creepy? You sound just like me... especially with the satanism part :P

You know whats creepy? You sound just like me... especially with the satanism part :P

I'm in ur mindz, stealing ur b'leafz.

God is.
God is what is. God is infinite. Humans are finite and will never understand God. God is a human concept as far as we in our limited humanity can tell. We know not how to speak to the elephant or star. Everything is part of God. Jesus Christ was a human being deified by the ignorant ancients and used to estabilish societal order. Organized religion is a means those in power have extolled to control the masses. Life after death means every one of your atoms continues to be a part of the universe only re-formatted.
Turning you will and life over to the care of God (as in 12 Steps) keeps you from making your SELF the most important thing in the universe and being miserable because you really aren't.
It has been calculated there are >8*10E63 ways to stack a deck of 52 playing cards. The human genome has been counted (so science says) at somewhere around 3,000,000,000 genes. A hell of a deck of cards but still finite and limited to one itty bitty planet (as far as we know). The way I understand God (all proper names in the English language begin with a capital) is I don't understand.
God does not want me to be miserable.

Satan came into being ONLY because of Christianity so if it's bullshit so is Satan and the Sun isn't the only star.

Satan came into being ONLY because of Christianity so if it's bullshit so is Satan and the Sun isn't the only star.

To clarify, Satanism isn't about worshipping Satan as a God. Satan represents the "seven deadly sins", all of which are essentially hard-wired in human nature. He's more of a symbol of our beliefs than a God.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
(heavily influenced by totse)

God is the Force outside of our perceived 4 dimensions that created the dimension of existence, creating the dimension time, among the other 3 spatial dimensions, among the other dimensions we cannot perceive, and was the catalyst outside of the existence of all matter.

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
Jesus is the son of God, in the flesh, in relation to us, a (rabbi) teacher. (my belief is regardless who you are, you show a teacher respect.)

What are your beliefs regarding other religions?
Depending on the beginnings of the religion, it is either a branch of the first early religions, Hebrew, Islam, ect, which broke from tradition (as is human nature in all things), or some form of ideas borrowed from the early religions, hybridized.

I believe we have a choice. Fate exists as that choice. You choose to believe in God, or choose not to. The importance of this is diversity through fate. Thank God we have choice, otherwise we would all be the same. Even though one of the objectives of Christ was to redeem the human soul, I find it a blessing that there is option, so I enjoy ideas and beliefs not related to my own while at the same time defending mine own. That's why I am on Totse.

Is there someone here that actually wants everyone to be the same?

I believe in money. Its the only thing that gets shit done.

^ WIN

Thats the truest thing ever.

I believe in money. Its the only thing that gets shit done.

money= root of all evil.
And apples.

LOVE of money= root of all evil.


fIXED

love of money

True, then again there's that whole joke about women being evil because they are the product of time and money, time equaling money making money squared equal women and seeing is how money is the root of evil money squared cancels the root meaning

women=evil

True, then again there's that whole joke about women being evil because they are the product of time and money, time equaling money making money squared equal women and seeing is how money is the root of evil money squared cancels the root meaning

women=evil

Off topic but inspired by ^:
"To love is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore to love is to suffer, not to love is to suffer. To suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy then is to suffer. But suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy one must love, or love to suffer, or suffer from too much happiness. I hope you're getting this down." - Woody Allen, Love and Death
:D

money= root of all evil.
And apples.

If you think about what I said, there is at least some truth to it. The major religions don't actually worship god, but instead use the idea of god to get their followers to fork over money. I have yet to see any god do anything for anyone besides provide a crutch of false hope to the meek.

The last time I checked, prayers were not accepted as a form of payment at the grocery store or car dealership. Praying to god for a new jet ski does not get you a jet ski. $8,000 gets you a new jet ski.

If you think about what I said, there is at least some truth to it. The major religions don't actually worship god, but instead use the idea of god to get their followers to fork over money. I have yet to see any god do anything for anyone besides provide a crutch of false hope to the meek.

The last time I checked, prayers were not accepted as a form of payment at the grocery store or car dealership. Praying to god for a new jet ski does not get you a jet ski. $8,000 gets you a new jet ski.

I'm glad you have a good diction on it, but you are still being a bit too general. If you said that the major religions today only use the idea of god to get their followers to for over money then I would strongly agree, excluding the minority who do not follow that principle.

And I don't use God for false hope, I use God to spit in the face of the societies of conformity and Narrow mindedness. That would get quoted for irony if compared to modern fundamental zealot ideas, but I consider my following Christ as an example of following only the just laws of man, accepting my fellow members (totse for example)
around me, and relishing in the fact that diversity in all forms, including theistic thought or lack thereof is a good thing to be grateful of. Like I said before, who wants everyone to be the same?

That being said, I don't relish hypocrisy, narrow mindedness or heavy bias. From any side

I believe Science is a wonderful tool in communicating the perpetual contradiction we wrongly think of as Reality. Explaining the differing genus of creatures and their relative actions, qualities, and relations to one another can be fascinating to learn about, think about, and communicate. However, ‘existing’, as they do, seems to be only because my viewpoint is utterly clouded by my own ignorance and my own failure to distinguish what is Real from what is a dream. In my haze of ignorance I wander, dazed from the bright lights and pretty colors, the twirling skies and spinning shudders, oh the ceaseless activities of this burden I must bare.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
God? Ha ha ha he he he!
You would like me to explain pure being to thee?
I apologize in advance, for this is futility.
I’m over here, pushing buttons in what I call the manifest, but in three weeks time I must take a test.
There seems to be an entire realm of possibility I cannot access until then or when.
Infinite possibility ‘exists’ in the land of the unmanifest.
A higher face of being than the now I am seeing.
But what I ask you, is the essence of pure being?

What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
Jesus was a man.
He attained Christ Consciousness, as many others have before and since.
Religious addiction to lies and greed sullied his name.

What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?
They are all streams extending from the ocean of mystical experience.

Money is not the root of all Evil, considering Evil is subjective.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religions?

1) As humans, can we ever truly know? Most likely not. Personally, I rule out the Abrahamic, Dharmic, or Pagan gods as folly, but I don't rule out some sort of universal energy or spirit. Basically, some kind of unconscious force emanating from the Cosmos. Of course, we have no way of knowing

2) I regard Jesus as an artificial construct of the social and political needs of his times. His teachings, however, do hold a truth to them, one of brotherhood and love. I do not need a "Holy" Book telling me about this, however

3) As aforementioned, Organized Religions are construct of social, political, and economic control. I wouldn't label myself under any brand of religion, but I wouldn't rush to stamp "Atheist" across my forehead either. I honestly don't know how to label myself.

some kind of unconscious force emanating from the Cosmos

You believe consciousness comes from unconsciousness

I believe consciousness comes from consciousness

When my consciousness is conscious of itself; that is the nature of self-conscious. This is the parameter and context that consciousness exists on; consciousness is only known to oneself;oneself being the soul; the soul being is an inner entity that everyone possesses, but in fact most of the population are not fully aware of; for various reasons both intentional and unintentional; both realized and unrealized; mostly because people are not conscious of their own soul as well as the vastness of spiritual knowledge.

So why does consciousness have such value? Consciousness is one symptom of the soul; there are various symptoms of the soul but only consciousness can be aware of any and every symptom of the soul and it is the mechanism to which they are acquired ; spiritual knowledge is acquired when consciousness is conscious of itself; and recognizes consciousness as the most important function of a soul, because consciousness is the one symptom of the soul that remains stagnant when other symptoms of the soul are malleable and changing in their nature; the contents of the consciusness change but the nature of consciusness is always the same; in a sense eternal in this world until our death, that is when our consciousness be conscious: when the nature of consciousness changes, ceases to exist in this experience. That is why it is the most important symptom of the soul; that is why a transcendental mode of consciousness achieved through a mode of satva is valuable over a mode of passion or a mode of ignorance.

That is why spiritual knowledge is valuable over material knowledge.

religions retarded

religions retarded

Indeed.

What are your beliefs regarding what God is?
What are your beliefs regarding who Jesus was and his relation to god and us?
What are your beliefs regarding other religeons?

god is an all knowing being, he is in and off the earth and a separate entity on his own that we cannot fathom. i do not believe in him but rather know he exists through experiences that i cannot explain, so yeah i am a christian.

jesus is the god in human flesh who gave up his life to save us. strive to be like jesus but dont worship him, only the father

i think there wrong

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all that being said, i am huge hypocrite like all other christians. do not be sheep like the idiotic followers but rather find your own path.

as a christian i personally believe in evolution, dinosaurs existed and the world is billions of years old

I believe there is a divine power. I believe in aliens. I believe the Great Pyramid of Giza is a product of divine power and aliens/mankind. I believe Jesus was a prophet and many of the books of the Bible were not incorporated into the Bible for religious reasons. I don't know a whole lot about other religions, so I usually don't ridicule them. But, I might, just depends on what the Islamists are up to.

I believe there cannot be nothing so there must be something! That something is one thing, as in - totally connected! There cannot be any gaps or 'nothing' to seperate us from each and all. There cannot be nothing, that is an absolute nothingness, therefore the fundamentalist xian image of a righteous and pure God who exists elsewhere, seperate from this sinful dimension, and who created the universe out of nothing cannot be true. How is it possible for fundamentalist xian god to create a universe seperate from him/her self? An ancient philosopher said if horses had gods they would look and act like horses, that seems the way it is. Humans make images/descritions of god/s except we seem to make them in our own image, our imagination.

Therein lies a quandary, how to describe the indescribable? If one was to say God is a spirit, or: God is Spirit what does that mean. Spirit, as in an individual incorporeal being without shape or form(whatever that is), or Spirit as: all being, the aggregate of sentience? None of those things can tell. All descriptions of God are inadequate. One can perhaps describe better what god is not.

God is not seperate from humanity, for what is it that would seperate? There cannot be nothing so it seems all that exists must be connected there cannot be any gaps so whatever god is and, whatever we are, we are all part of the one infinite something that exists everywhere because there cannot be a nowhere or a nothing.

Jesus is another quandary. Who to believe" Am I, along with the disciple Thomas, allowed the proof of checking out the wounds before making my decision? Why when Jesus was accused of blasphemy for saying he was the son of god did he reply: 'your own scriptures say' "You are Gods" 'so how can you kill me for saying I am the son of god'? Does that mean he was affirming that we are Gods?

The etymology of Jesus name interested me so looked it up in a dictionary and apparently one translation is that Jesus means: God is Help. That made sense because of the selfless things I see humans doing to help one another{and thinking of God in an abstract kind of way as the Logos, Word or Reason or as the highest or controlling principle}, it seemed the most pure expression of divinity I have seen, or felt, is the unconditional help humans give each other - especially in times of need.

A lot of my thoughts about god comes down to personal stuff. For example one time I was bushwalking and fell off a small mountain, after bouncing headlong off a couple of ledges I went face first over a cliff. From there I could see all the way to the bottom- roughly a couple hundred metres. Being sure I was going to die, thoughts sped thru my mind and I did as when the nightmares came in childhood and called out "Jesus". Shortly after my head smacked into the cliff face and the next bit's somewhat blurry but I recall coming to, caught by some bushes growing out the side of the mountain, suspended above the remaining 150 metres or so! The very first thought in my mind was a verse repeated three times in the bible: "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved". And saved I was, when the selfless emergency service volunteers came in the middle of the night and dragged me up the side of the mountain with a rope!

IMHO We are all one, one reflection of infinite being in an infinite kaleidoscope of being, in infinite dimensions of being - because there cannot be 'nothing' so there must simply be an infinite totally connected something! That infinite being has consciousness and we are fractals of that consciousness. God is what we call the rest of our own greater being.

Cheers:D
That was a good read, man. If you only read one post this year...


& dont be a dick.
This is pretty much what most religions come down to.

As for my views, I've done some reading in my time (ya srsly!), books from some of the smartest people in history, none of who have been able to get any closer than I to God or disproving him. So I figure why waste my time, do I think I'm some kind of frigging genius that's gonna crack the coldest case ever? If any of you guys find God or the answer to life let me know, promise?

Greetings,

I'll just give you an introduction to myself. My name is Wayne, but you can call me Dr. Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish. Until recently, I was pastor of Good Shepherd Baptist Church in Queensland, Australia (www.baptist.com.au). My time as pastor was a time of fruitfulness and blessing, especially in a financial context. After creating a financial base for myself, I got the go-ahead from God to begin financing and planning my conquest of Asia and the greater third world. This empire will then be left to my son, who despite his metal retardation, is still the most apt to lead besides myself.

To learn more about me and my plans for world domination, visit www.thesimpletruth.com.au. For you reading pleasure, I have also included a favorite quote of mine on each page. You may be surprised to find that these quote are actually mine, but this is simply because nobody else has come up with one as spectacular as any of mine. Here's a sample:

“Who do you think you’re not, and what if you are wrong ?”
-Dr Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish

In conclusion, it is also my humble God-given duty to let ou know that we are all sinners, the likes of which are the cause of God's wrathful vengeance, which comes in the form of tsunamis, floods, hurricanes (Katrina, anyone???) and also Armageddon. You'd best get saved before the latter arrives, which isn't far away since the antichrist has been elected to be the president of the United States.

God Bless,
Dr. Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish