He would have grown up without knowing his own supposed divinity, wouldn't he?

Let's say that he was kidnapped at birth and raised by pagans... He wouldn't have gone around saying all this crap about how he's the son of God.

Didn't he get all his wild ideas from his lying whore of a mother and all the wise men or whatever that seemed to congregate around him?

I mean, Mary "knew" that she was to bare the son of God as her son. So what are the chances of her son actually thinking he was the son of God unless he was influenced by his mothers ideas?

Or is this supposed to be another accepted coincidence among Christians?

Do all you Christians out there truly believe that if Jesus were kidnapped and raised by pagans or some other group of people at the time, he would still have said and done the exact same crap to try and prove that he was "the son of God"?

Allegedly, Jesus went into the Jewish Temple at the age of 10 and astounded the priests with his knowledge of theology and claimed to have been the son of God then. It just wouldn't jive to know that much theology and to blaspheme against God unless you were really telling the truth. Wouldn't Mary tell Jesus something like "hey, um, Jesus, yeah, you know that thing about being God's son and all that, uhhhhh, yeah, I made that up", somewhere around the time Jesus started getting into trouble?

And if he was raised by pagans it wouldn't have made a difference would it? He would have still known he was the son of God because God would have told him. For all we know, Mary never told Jesus that he was the son of God anyway.

http://www.naruhina.org/video/fSdI8ag1k0A

Child Preachers are not uncommon, and some have admitted to being a fraud directed by their parents whilst they channel the holy spirit on the pulpit.

Parents should be charged with child abuse.

^ Wahhhhh... :rolleyes:

Well, considering most Christians accept that Jesus is an incarnation of the Word, they get 'round this.... Jesus is "part" of God, whilst still being human. Jesus would then "know" he's the Son of God, and I would assume actually talking to Daddy would firm up his self-confidence, too! :cool:

Jesus as an ordinary man, influential, but about as divine as my toenail however.... well, the idea that he was around people telling him he was "the son of God" constantly seems a bit steep. Let's assume it's an expression.... in reality, if anything Jesus would have been told he was the Messiah, surely? If he allegedly had great knowledge of theology, it would have been shaped by the revelation that he was special, in a religious sense. Doesn't seem too unlikely that he might have thought about this a fair bit, and brushed up on his Torah readings, huh? Plus, let's assume this is a smart and fairly convincing type of chap.... working with the questions that might have been posted to him by the Holy Men wouldn't exactly have been impossible.

Hum, pretty obviously you have to be a Christian and have faith that Jesus' life was perfect, and well.... due to being semi-divine he could then start to get the ball rolling. There's not much historical evidence in the way of Jesus saying he was the "son of God" though, is there? Sure, the miracles Jesus did were impressive, but he refused to tempt God by doing stuff such as jumping off the tallest towers so that angels would catch him. Other prophets could wield God's power through their actions though, i mean daym.... we've got Moses who parted the Red Sea, and he never said he was the Son of God.

Anyway, this is just rambling. The majority of Christians have belief to some degree in the trinity - word, flesh and holy spirit, so the idea that Jesus "couldn't know" that he was the Son of God is kinda moot. He would have still ended up doing the same stuff...

What's perhaps more interesting historically is.... if Jesus hadn't disappeared for 20 years, would he have kicked up all the "ima king o' the Jews!" fuss during his mid-life crisis... :eek:

^Go fuck your mouth.

My point is that child preachers such as Marjoe, were directed by their parents to become faith healers and child preachers at a young age.

In the case of children preachers you will find that the child has to be taught how to preach, what to preach about, and take subtle directions from their parents whilst preaching. In Marjoe's case (like Jesus) he went on to become to heal the sick, frail and infirm preaching the gospel. The difference is Marjoe ADMITTED he was a fraud. I believe they found out Jesus was a fraud as well, and killed him.

So no........if nobody told Jesus he was a prophet, the son of God, the light of the world and if that lying slut Mary hadn't told him he was a miracle, he would have just been a shitty carpenter.

^Go fuck your mouth.

My point is that child preachers such as Marjoe, were directed by their parents to become faith healers and child preachers at a young age.

In the case of children preachers you will find that the child has to be taught how to preach, what to preach about, and take subtle directions from their parents whilst preaching. In Marjoe's case (like Jesus) he went on to become to heal the sick, frail and infirm preaching the gospel. The difference is Marjoe ADMITTED he was a fraud. I believe they found out Jesus was a fraud as well, and killed him.

So no........if nobody told Jesus he was a prophet, the son of God, the light of the world and if that lying slut Mary hadn't told him he was a miracle, he would have just been a shitty carpenter.

So because Jesus was told he was the Son of God, he can't be the Son of God?

Besides which some of the Gospels show how his parents to not exactly be aware of him being the Son of God.

Dude... Maybe you're looking at this the wrong way. Maybe being the Son of God has less to do with immaculate conception and more with being a godly and spiritual person. Maybe Jesus wasn't the Biological son of God (Which is kinda absurd really), but became his son through becoming spiritual. Excuse me for not looking up where, but I think it's Paul who says something along the lines of us ceasing to be slaves (to the material world) and becoming God's heirs. In the same way couldn't Jesus become God's 'Son' by becoming a spiritual person, and ceasing to be a slave of the material world?

Besides, Jesus was pretty nice, I'm cool with that.

Jesus was the son of God in exactly the same sense as we are all sons and daughters of God. He said as much several times.

Jesus was the son of God in exactly the same sense as we are all sons and daughters of God. He said as much several times.

This.

Jesus was the son of God in exactly the same sense as we are all sons and daughters of God. He said as much several times.

I'll bet he wouldn't have said that even once had he been kidnapped and raised in an environment without ulterior motives.

Dude... Maybe you're looking at this the wrong way. Maybe being the Son of God has less to do with immaculate conception and more with being a godly and spiritual person. Maybe Jesus wasn't the Biological son of God (Which is kinda absurd really), but became his son through becoming spiritual. Excuse me for not looking up where, but I think it's Paul who says something along the lines of us ceasing to be slaves (to the material world) and becoming God's heirs. In the same way couldn't Jesus become God's 'Son' by becoming a spiritual person, and ceasing to be a slave of the material world?

No. What I'm saying is that he was coerced, or at the very least, coaxed into saying he was the Son of God.

He did not come up with these ideas on his own, that's for sure.

You think all those people that already knew of his supposed divinity didn't influence him at all with their ideas and suggestions?

This is all assuming that the nativity story is completely true, and that Jesus didn't just make up being born of a virgin mother and all that as a publicity stunt.

Then again, I wouldn't put it past him.

Jesus was an unemployed lunatic with a cult of twelve equally unemployed slightly mad followers.

What if Jesus was just an old school fraud in the spirit of Benny Hinn? Performing minor slights of hand, and other illusions to wrangle free meals outta folks? There was an afwul lot about bread and wine in the bible.

Then one day the jig is up, he defrauded a wealthy or important Jew and they hung him out to dry (literally). Picture you are one of these slightly demented, very lazy, jobless followers. There went your fucking meal ticket. Now you have to find a job.....or do you?

Peasant: "John, why should I feed you, you fucking bum? Your a fraud just like that Jesus fella."
John: "He wasn't a fraud. He came back to life. Me and mine saw it, Paul even fingered his hand sores. Now give me some bread and wine, afore I sic my Zombie or God on you, you unwashed, uneducated, simple minded, easy to fool peasant"Peasant: "Bon 'apetit"
John: "C'mon fellas he bought it!"

FIN

Jesus was an unemployed lunatic with a cult of twelve equally unemployed slightly mad followers.

What if Jesus was just an old school fraud in the spirit of Benny Hinn? Performing minor slights of hand, and other illusions to wrangle free meals outta folks? There was an afwul lot about bread and wine in the bible.

Then one day the jig is up, he defrauded a wealthy or important Jew and they hung him out to dry (literally). Picture you are one of these slightly demented, very lazy, jobless followers. There went your fucking meal ticket. Now you have to find a job.....or do you?

Peasant: "John, why should I feed you, you fucking bum? Your a fraud just like that Jesus fella."
John: "He wasn't a fraud. He came back to life. Me and mine saw it, Paul even fingered his hand sores. Now give me some bread and wine, afore I sic my Zombie or God on you, you unwashed, uneducated, simple minded, easy to fool peasant"Peasant: "Bon 'apetit"
John: "C'mon fellas he bought it!"

FIN

Make it into a movie and then I might believe it.

Reminds me of a joke I just made up -

What happens when a schizophrenic woman gives birth to a schizophrenic son?

A religion is founded.

Reminds me of a joke I just made up -

What happens when a schizophrenic woman gives birth to a schizophrenic son?

A religion is founded.

Nice.

:D

You think all those people that already knew of his supposed divinity didn't influence him at all with their ideas and suggestions?

Thing is, he was a canny politician in addition to being all the other good stuff. He was backed by the Zealots, a rabidly anti-Roman bunch, who helped him orchestrate things that wuld seem to be prophecy fulfilled. For instance, he rode into Bethlehem ( or Jerusalem, I forget which) on a donkey because an old prophecy said that was what the messiah would do.

However, he lost a lot of their support with the "render unto Caesar" affair, although some of them may have helped pull off the death and resurrection scam.

In the Gnostic Tradition in the time from his birth to the time of his teachings he was believed to have been taught by John the Baptist for teachings... What if questions are being asked only because, people have conformed to the belief that Jesus exist what if he didn't physically exist like a spiritual being? Visions? The deep parts of our mind expressing itself to our conscious self?

So to me this question doesn't damage my beliefs in the sense as say a fundamentalist would be threated. In fact if it is a myth the myth couldn't be questioned, like the way it is being put up to scrutiny. Its a myth and like all myths it has a plot, a point to being told and many or a few things to be taken from the myth to learn and transform yourself through it.