It seems logic is always kicking God's ass

logic says there is no god

No, just a small part of God.

Logic and God have nothing to do with each other.



And if logic is God then how can it kick gods ass?

Well, I firmly believe that logic will always lead to God. Most people just get tired of asking questions and finding answers for themselves that they settle for an explanation (either through religion, science, or another's experience) someone else has come up with. I don't think adopting another's understanding of God does anything to satisfy one's soul.

I continued to ask and seek with fervor, and came to God itself. It spoke to me, revealing to me Its name and Its truth. Up until I spoke to It face to face, I had always thought of it as something like the 'collective subconsciousness', or something along the panentheist/pantheist lines. After speaking to It face to face, I have called It by Its name since.

I'm not here to impose my faith upon you, however, so I am refraining from using Its name. If you ever come to It, though, feel free to ask this Being what Its name is...It seemed content to speak to someone truly yearning for such knowledge, and to share that knowledge.

Also, feel free to think I'm a psychopath for now. We all go to meet It, eventually.

How exactly does logic kick God's ass?

Well, I firmly believe that logic will always lead to God. Most people just get tired of asking questions and finding answers for themselves that they settle for an explanation (either through religion, science, or another's experience) someone else has come up with. I don't think adopting another's understanding of God does anything to satisfy one's soul.

I continued to ask and seek with fervor, and came to God itself. It spoke to me, revealing to me Its name and Its truth. Up until I spoke to It face to face, I had always thought of it as something like the 'collective subconsciousness', or something along the panentheist/pantheist lines. After speaking to It face to face, I have called It by Its name since.

I'm not here to impose my faith upon you, however, so I am refraining from using Its name. If you ever come to It, though, feel free to ask this Being what Its name is...It seemed content to speak to someone truly yearning for such knowledge, and to share that knowledge.

Also, feel free to think I'm a psychopath for now. We all go to meet It, eventually.

how did you get to it? did you use drugs? i wanna meet it too..

how did you get to it? did you use drugs? i wanna meet it too..
You already have it for god is already in you.
When you search within you will find...

When you assume that God is a loving God, a lot of things supposedly done in his name break down logically--the way some Christians hate gays, for instance, or the way that some Muslims believe that God wants them to kill people who do not share their twisted and narrow view of him/her/it/them/whatever.

The entirety of the views in the CWG series are perfectly logical and consitent, however.

After speaking to It face to face, I have called It by Its name since.

Okay I'll bite.............what is God's name? Come on man, you met God himself give us some details. Is he shorter in real life? Let me guess, God told you not to tell.

Your lies demonstrate how truly sad and pathetic it is when a mind becomes completely warped by the meme of religion.

Nature is God.

how did you get to it? did you use drugs? i wanna meet it too..

If you seriously want to meet God, abandon EVERYTHING. Sit still, quiet your thoughts, quiet your heart; chase no thought that comes but let it pass, chase no desire that comes but let it pass. When you are in complete absence of your ego, ask for God to show itself.

The first time I met God was due to drugs, in a way. I overdosed, died, met God, It told me my time was not due and that I had not yet served His purpose for me. I woke up in a ditch, and I've been different ever since.

The second time I met God was due to meditation and prayer. I confessed inwards my inability to see true from false and all the actions I've taken upon falsehoods fed to me by the world and my own mind. Afterwards, the thoughts and desires flowed and passed by. This left me at peace. Out of a power well I didn't know to exist came the question, "Omniscience?" Afterwards, a wall of faces flashed into my mind; I could never count the number. The image moved back, and the wall was circular in shape. Around it, swirled the Universe. Further removed, it was a face. The wall of faces and the Universe were this being's eye. It whispered my name and the state of tranquility ended. The next two days, everything I saw glowed with an intense brightness as never before.

The third time I met It, I asked It what its name was before beginning the meditation. After reaching tranquility again, the Name was revealed. I belong to the religion I do today because of the answer I received.

Okay I'll bite.............what is God's name?

Ask God what Its name is. You bite imaginary bait. Your mind of lies creates a bait that doesn't exist; yet you call my mind dishonest? Now this, a question, does beg an answer. What I had posted begged no response, yet you imposed.

I belong to the religion I do today because of the answer I received.
Am I allowed to make an educated guess, or would that ruin this teaching session you have goin' on?

If you use logic, you will learn that there is a God.


Can nothing create nothing?

If you use logic, you will learn that there is a God.


Can nothing create nothing?

Even ignoring that this is a self destructive argument, exactly which laws of logic allow you to deduce that?

And if logic is God then how can it kick gods ass?

God's a masochist :)

Even ignoring that this is a self destructive argument, exactly which laws of logic allow you to deduce that?

That everything comes from something.

That everything comes from something.
Except God...? Not that "everything comes from something" is actually a valid rule of logic, or a rule of logic at all!

Not God. We cannot grasp the concept of a God not being made up of what we consist of. God is bigger than the universe, we are nothing.

Not God. We cannot grasp the concept of a God not being made up of what we consist of. God is bigger than the universe, we are nothing.

Speak for yourself.

Am I allowed to make an educated guess, or would that ruin this teaching session you have goin' on?

Heh, feel free to. :)

Can nothing create nothing?

It is more that if you use logic, you will put away fruitless searches for Purpose and try other searches. Do this long enough, and you will exhaust all avenues of seeking. At this last effort to find what you seek, you will find God. Most of us, filled to the brim with prejudice against various religions and faiths, will call it by its many lesser names before we find it: Perfection, Love, Harmony, Balance, Mercy, Forgiveness, and many more. Have you never heard the saying, 'Looking for love in all the wrong places.'?

The truth of the matter is that we cannot find any of these things; some of us will quit searching, using petty excuses to fall into sloth. It is only when we have sought endlessly and found only imitations that WE are found.

Accepting that your eyes are closed is required before you will open them.

So... this thread is lacking an explanation of how exactly logic will lead to god.

At this last effort to find what you seek, you will find God.

The mind can do some crazy things. Did you know if you want something bad enough, you can play some serious mind games with yourself?

So... this thread is lacking an explanation of how exactly logic will lead to god.

At this last effort to find what you seek, you will find God.

The mind can do some crazy things. Did you know if you want something bad enough, you can play some serious mind games with yourself?

No, I'm totally unaware of psychosis. (Imagine that, if you will, said in the voice and mannerism of Steven Wright.)

Heh, feel free to. :)
YHWH?

YHWH?

That'd be His second highest name. He has a personal name that can only be found through Divine Revelation. By the by, yod-heh-waw-heh translates roughly into a few different names...the most accurate being, "He is."

That'd be His second highest name. He has a personal name that can only be found through Divine Revelation. By the by, yod-heh-waw-heh translates roughly into a few different names...the most accurate being, "He is."
Is it typable?

God is what you would call the Mind (Consciousness) and one aspect of the mind is Logic. Thats why I try to find balance with logic and spiritual dimensions of things there all part of the same experience. Atheist over-exaggerate on Logic and Fundamentalist over-exaggerate on spiritual traditions.

Logic has turned into a new toy used by children. In time children grow up and toys become tools and with tools comes the knowledge of learning when to use it and when to use another tool.

Ah, logic one of the many aspects of the mind...

Is it typable?

The translation is. But the translation isn't really the name, but a description of the name. I really do wish it were my job to share it with you...it made a profound difference in my life to understand God on such a personal level. I will say this: His name cannot be spoken by the tongue, but by the soul alone.

If you wish to understand that better, I suggest reading the Tao te Ching, especially in regards to Lao Tzu receiving questions as to the Name of the Tao.

The translation is. But the translation isn't really the name, but a description of the name. I really do wish it were my job to share it with you...it made a profound difference in my life to understand God on such a personal level. I will say this: His name cannot be spoken by the tongue, but by the soul alone.

If you wish to understand that better, I suggest reading the Tao te Ching, especially in regards to Lao Tzu receiving questions as to the Name of the Tao.

Wow man, you seem pretty understood, or studied up in this field.


What brought you to your current state? I would love to hear =)

Wow man, you seem pretty understood, or studied up in this field.


What brought you to your current state? I would love to hear =)

This might be too simple an answer, but the past brought me to my current state.

God is what you would call the Mind (Consciousness) and one aspect of the mind is Logic. Thats why I try to find balance with logic and spiritual dimensions of things there all part of the same experience. Atheist over-exaggerate on Logic and Fundamentalist over-exaggerate on spiritual traditions.



That depends on your definition of "god."

With everybody's different beliefs and biases, it's impossible for this to be a single conversation. We're all getting our own impression out of everything we're reading and discussing that.

God comes to us in different ways... I'm not going to argue, what I say God is is not necessarily what you say God to be. God could be both, We can all agree that God transcends any name you give it, because, words are not enough to describe it.

Heres a basic agreement:

There is no objective proof that any religion knows the truth about God. If there were such proof, most people on Earth would have converted to that faith long ago and all scientists would be believers.

Spirituality thus is an individual affair. Proof of any metaphysical realities that exist will be subjective, not demonstrable to others.

Every person has the right to pursue their own spiritual quest without interference, so long as he or she doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

Since the veracity of each and every religion is unprovable, equally unprovable are the moral and ethical tenets derived from any and all religious teachings.

Thus morality also is an individual affair. There are no absolute laws of right and wrong as there are absolute laws of physics. Subjectivity rules in ethics.

Individual ethical decisions may be formed into a collective codification of societal norms, or laws. These are purely human, not divine.

Science is the surest means of finding truth. Theory, experiment, analysis of data: such are the tools of science, whether directed toward knowing material or immaterial reality.

Religious teachings are hypotheses to be confirmed through individual research. As such, they must not be taken as gospel truth by adherents of a particular faith.

Religious doubters, skeptics, and heretics should be honored for their efforts to assure that unproven assertions about God are not put forward as solid truth.

Every adherent of a particular religion should say to himself or herself,"I could be wrong." If he or she won't do this, other people can say it for them: "You could be wrong."

This creedless creed of the Church of the Churchless also could be wrong. It needs to be reexamined and revised regularly.

Death provides the final answers (if only momentarily). The spiritual quest is to get answers ahead of time. But the big question is, "What are the questions?" - Creedless Creed of The Church of the Churchless

I think we can all sit down and eat at the same table on that note.

It is more that if you use logic, you will put away fruitless searches for Purpose and try other searches. Do this long enough, and you will exhaust all avenues of seeking. At this last effort to find what you seek, you will find God. Most of us, filled to the brim with prejudice against various religions and faiths, will call it by its many lesser names before we find it: Perfection, Love, Harmony, Balance, Mercy, Forgiveness, and many more. Have you never heard the saying, 'Looking for love in all the wrong places.'?

The truth of the matter is that we cannot find any of these things; some of us will quit searching, using petty excuses to fall into sloth. It is only when we have sought endlessly and found only imitations that WE are found.

Accepting that your eyes are closed is required before you will open them.

call me when you get the fuck out of your fantasy land, you're starting to piss me off


"Accepting that your eyes are closed is required before you will open them"

get the fuck out of here, this is poetry at best, ok you can use words with no practical, believable value, it has nothing to do with god, god, in the unlikely case that he exists most likely wouldnt prefer the use of the wordy english language that can be manipulated by anyone including idiots like you to make anything seem apealing, god would express truth in a more concrete fashion such as math for example. therefore you are not impressing "god" on anyone, you are not speaking any truth, you are merely impressing yourself, words created from your poisoned mind to help you hide that you are uncomfortable with the fact that you don't know shit.

"Accepting that your eyes are closed is required before you will open them" - You Quoted from "Hex"

... words created from your poisoned mind to help you hide that you are uncomfortable with the fact that you don't know shit.

LoL, you quite essentially said what he just said...

In The Apology by Socrates: "Socrates finds that the people who have greater reputations are less wise than those with lesser reputations, as they think they know what they do not know, and that makes them less wise.... "

"I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance." - Socrates, from Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers

But it is through this awareness of ignorance do your eyes begin to open to the ultimate reality.

*The only opinion that counts is not that of the majority of people generally, but rather that of the one individual who truly knows.

LoL, you quite essentially said what he just said...

In The Apology by Socrates: "Socrates finds that the people who have greater reputations are less wise than those with lesser reputations, as they think they know what they do not know, and that makes them less wise.... "

"I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance." - Socrates, from Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers

But it is through this awareness of ignorance do your eyes begin to open to the ultimate reality.

*The only opinion that counts is not that of the majority of people generally, but rather that of the one individual who truly knows.

Thanks godfather.

God comes to us in different ways... I'm not going to argue, what I say God is is not necessarily what you say God to be. God could be both, We can all agree that God transcends any name you give it, because, words are not enough to describe it.

Heres a basic agreement:

There is no objective proof that any religion knows the truth about God. If there were such proof, most people on Earth would have converted to that faith long ago and all scientists would be believers.

Spirituality thus is an individual affair. Proof of any metaphysical realities that exist will be subjective, not demonstrable to others.

Every person has the right to pursue their own spiritual quest without interference, so long as he or she doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

Since the veracity of each and every religion is unprovable, equally unprovable are the moral and ethical tenets derived from any and all religious teachings.

Thus morality also is an individual affair. There are no absolute laws of right and wrong as there are absolute laws of physics. Subjectivity rules in ethics.

Individual ethical decisions may be formed into a collective codification of societal norms, or laws. These are purely human, not divine.

Science is the surest means of finding truth. Theory, experiment, analysis of data: such are the tools of science, whether directed toward knowing material or immaterial reality.

Religious teachings are hypotheses to be confirmed through individual research. As such, they must not be taken as gospel truth by adherents of a particular faith.

Religious doubters, skeptics, and heretics should be honored for their efforts to assure that unproven assertions about God are not put forward as solid truth.

Every adherent of a particular religion should say to himself or herself,"I could be wrong." If he or she won't do this, other people can say it for them: "You could be wrong."

This creedless creed of the Church of the Churchless also could be wrong. It needs to be reexamined and revised regularly.

Death provides the final answers (if only momentarily). The spiritual quest is to get answers ahead of time. But the big question is, "What are the questions?" - Creedless Creed of The Church of the Churchless

I think we can all sit down and eat at the same table on that note.

Agreed.

Hey what do you know I made peace with someone, in my books according to this creed I am a child of God as I subjectively choose to believe from what Jesus said during The Beatitudes...

I need not to show religious hatred and extremism and I need not much in the way of over-rationalization just a simple plan one that people can all sit at the same table and eat the same food and agree with.

Thus, in this instance I had made peace with someone and if you agree with the above than you agree with my view and I had made peace with you...

Does this mean I am enforcing my belief stated in this creed upon you? No, rather I am just stating what I believe and if you believe than you agree with me. Its not about throwing everything you got unto others but looking to yourself to fix the problems.

Either way we live in a compromised world so, we all agree on certain things.

BTW, np Hex...

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NO, no fucking way LOGIC is god...

Logic cant be used to determine GOD.

Logic can Prove GOD and disapprove GOD which is hindrance if you ask me.