We are all God as one being.

Prove me wrong.

Seriously it makes more sense then anything.

We are all God as one??

define that

all humans put together arent omnipotent

We are all God as one??

define that

If God is omnipotent then, that means he is everywhere and nowhere in paticular, which would make God a part of us and everything around us. We are all one in God.

So I don't believe that I exsist? *poof*

Descartes was arguing with his wife one day about leaving the toilet seat up. She was fuming mad, and screamed at him, "Don't you ever think about me?" And Descartes, in an emotional reaction, screams back, "I don't think!"

*poof* He vanished.

If God is omnipotent then, that means he is everywhere and nowhere in paticular, which would make God a part of us and everything around us. We are all one in God.

You have it backwards: all of us and everything around us are a part of God. God is all of us, everything around us, and much more.

You have it backwards: all of us and everything around us are a part of God. God is all of us, everything around us, and much more.

Yes, now that I think about it you are right.

Personally, I think its actually a two-way street.

All of the individual 'bits' of all, all possibilities, accumulate as a oneness which is God.

However, this oneness is also within you and each and every other possible 'bit' of all.


And then,


There are no 'bits' of reality. 'Reality' flows onwards towards God within you as much as it does outwardly. The separation of 'you' from God, from all, is an illusion.

Read the "God Delusion"

and you will understand.

and if there was a god, why isnt there a bolt of lightneing cause i just said "FUCK YOU GOD"?????

and why are there poor and the diseased?

where the fuck is your god now?

and if there was a god, why isnt there a bolt of lightneing cause i just said "FUCK YOU GOD"?????

Why would god send a lightning bolt at you for being angry? You shoot yourself with a symbolic lightning bolt when you send your anger into the field.


and why are there poor and the diseased?
Harmony through conflict. Life involves conflict. The cycles of life are rise and fall, growth and decay, life and death.
Life feeds life. That is the conflict, but eventually we find harmony when we learn to live in balance with the cycle.
We don't evolve without some disharmony or disruption to the status quo. That disruption, and the effort made to resolve it, is what leads to greater manifestations of harmony and peace, because our consciousness expands to become more inclusive.
We learn about other points of view, and accept them even if we don't agree with them. Without any conflict we would not expand to encompass the diversity of life and become more like the Creator.


where the fuck is your god now?Right here, over there, above and below, within and without.
Where is god not?

Why would god send a lightning bolt at you for being angry? You shoot yourself with a symbolic lightning bolt when you send your anger into the field.

Harmony through conflict. Life involves conflict. The cycles of life are rise and fall, growth and decay, life and death.
Life feeds life. That is the conflict, but eventually we find harmony when we learn to live in balance with the cycle.
We don't evolve without some disharmony or disruption to the status quo. That disruption, and the effort made to resolve it, is what leads to greater manifestations of harmony and peace, because our consciousness expands to become more inclusive.
We learn about other points of view, and accept them even if we don't agree with them. Without any conflict we would not expand to encompass the diversity of life and become more like the Creator.

Right here, over there, above and below, within and without.
Where is god not?


this my friend, is a jesus freak.

^^ He never mentioned Jesus or references Christianity??

He mentioned a creator

i like to associate people who refrence a creator as religious and naturally assume theyre christian

but its a generality

he is a religious freak, he could be buddhist, hindu, islam, christian, catholic, etc...

he believes in a creator

even if he wasnt one of those religions but still believed in a craetor, he is a pussy, a fence sitter

be atheist
and man up

this my friend, is a jesus freak.

And you, Madame - lack the observational skills it takes to know a Jesus freak when you see one.

but its a generality
No, it's a gross misrepresentation and a quick rush to (inaccurate) judgment.

be atheist
and man up

Be real; Quit trolling. It's not effective when you fail at it.

believing in a creator in any form
is just getting your hopes up.
sorry

believing in a creator in any form
is just getting your hopes up.
sorry

I do not think you have read enough of Vanhalla's posts to understand what he means when he speaks of God.

Getting your hopes up? In what way? What dreadful depression do you believe theists are attempting to escape from?

I do not think you have read enough of Vanhalla's posts to understand what he means when he speaks of God.

Getting your hopes up? In what way? What dreadful depression do you believe theists are attempting to escape from?


getting there ass out of a so called "hell"
because they're hypocrites who have screwed themsevles over already and depend on their ticket to "heaven" from a guy named Jesus.

Religious people rely to muchc on prayers to fix their problems and others, instead of taking intiative and doing something about the problem.

The term Panentheism comes into play... The idea that God is within each individual yet its own separate being. Universal Consciousness is God however before anything universal comes into play there needs to be consciousness of something to be considered universal.

WE ARE UNIVERSAL and GOD IS CONSCIOUSNESS. Therefore, the two are interlocked yet having their own being. Hence why I said the term Panentheism comes into play (Consciousness is here, everywhere and yet its own self).

How can you have life if your not aware you are living? Hence, awareness of your own consciousness is Self-Awareness the part of you that experiences.

There's an invisible llama that lives across the street from you. Also, there are still dinosaurs in the jungle. Prove me wrong.

Edit: Actually, it does make sense. If you take out the word god and its religious connotations. We are all part of one greater thing. It's called the universe. The universe would not be complete without us, because we have already existed. But when people say "god" they usually mean a great powerful being capable of conscious thought.

You might consider the universe a being, since the word "being" refers to anything in a state of existence. The universe is definitely greater than us. It has stronger forces and it is wayyyy bigger than us. It most definitely has power and laws, like gravity and electromagnetic forces. And cause and effect. But... the universe is not capable of conscious thought and can't control what is created or destroyed within its being. It can't judge us either... hmm. I'm going to make this its own thread.

getting there ass out of a so called "hell"
because they're hypocrites who have screwed themsevles over already and depend on their ticket to "heaven" from a guy named Jesus.

Religious people rely to muchc on prayers to fix their problems and others, instead of taking intiative and doing something about the problem.

Not all theists believe in hell, or that it is possible to screw up their 'ticket' to anything. Some people actually just believe in doing good things.

You have a very narrow perception of theists overall.

Kudos, props, and a tip of the Greyfox fedora to OP--that is pretty much what I have trying to say all along.

One of the oldest and most profound metaphysical truths is this--We are All One. The old Hermetic mages said it, shamans have been saying it for maybe 20,000 years now, Christian mystics such as St Teresa and St John of the Cross said it , as do present-day Sufis and Kabbalists and various and sundry saints and weird holy men.

Just four little words that you could spend a lifetime sussing out, exploring all the ramifications and implications thereof. You could grok it, however, in a single flash of insight. When you grasp it, grok it in fullness, you will have achieved the seventh and highest level of spiritual consciousness, unity consciousness.

"We" means everyone-- and everything. Jesus hinted at this when he said that what you do to the least of those among you, you do to him; he implied this when he said that everything he has done, we can do also--all he has done and more. He addresses this issue in a bit more detail in some of the gospels that were suppressed by the early church, especially the gospels of Thomas and Judas.

Or--as Heinlein put it:

I am God. Thou art God. All that groks is God.

beyond intuitive feeling, i see no real evidence to suggest what armsmerchant believes is correct - however i rather like this perception of reality.

We don't need a god anymore. At one time a god explained many of the things we did not understand, like death, thunderstorms and other cataclysms. We don't need a god. Please stop clinging to this fantasy. It is just a virulent meme heldover from our more primitive and humble beginnings.

This philosophy of everyone is God and we are all a part of a divine and perfect whole is a very romantic concept and I imagine feeds a human's need for creativity, but learn to paint or cross stitch instead. You will find that sort of creative release is infinitely more pleasing than staring up at the sky in shame and fearful wonder.

and if there was a god, why isnt there a bolt of lightneing cause i just said "FUCK YOU GOD"?????

Is a being of infinite love supposed to smite those who direct anger at Him when one of His own commandments to us is 'Love your enemy.'

and why are there poor and the diseased?

Because there are the lazy and the unhealthy. If you don't work, nor take care of your body, you're more prone to poverty and sickness.

where the fuck is your god now?

Everywhere.

The biggest thing that gets me about Christianity is that they are against abortion.

Christians believe that you need to "accept Jesus into your heart" (Believe he died on the cross and say you're sorry for your sins) in order to go to heaven.

They also believe that you cannot be hold accountable until a certain age in which you can understand this.

So according to Christianity if we aborted every baby, we'd be sending them straight to heaven.

And we'd be removing the chance of that person not believing.

I'd love to have a Christian argue this one.

People who see no reason to believe in God do not understand God to be anything beyond the corrupt concepts currently perpetuated by organized religions as devices used to manipulate their followers.

The people who take great pride in flaunting their lack of belief in this or any form of God take nothing away from Gods significance. Whether or not they understand this and believe this makes no difference; God is all. So God is necessary, although believing so is not.

Unfortunately, those expressively atheistic individuals seldom realize how characteristic their actions are of those whom they truly oppose above all others; not theists, in general, but the extremists who choose to impose their beliefs onto others. Knowingly or not, they too attempt to restrict others from the very freedom which they desire for themselves.

Guidance, not leadership.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ak5Lr3qkW0

part 1 of 3.

this guy apparently has an IQ of 200, perhaps the highest IQ in America.

And he seems to echo the views of ArmsMerchant in parts.. 2 or 3?

armsmerchant, if you check this thread again i have a question: out of curiousity, whats the IQ of doug? You said you're like 168, your wife's score is higher than yours and doug's is even higher, so im just curious. hes not like, 200 is he?

Could be possible in some form. I've thought about this, because it would make sense, just like all the living cells make up me. But I dont believe we're all one, or any of this moral BS. I believe different groups, who are on the same levels mentally are part of one "god" (possibly) fight eternally against other "gods". Just one theory I have had.

EDIT: wich is why survival of a species seems to be so important to animals. (its what they base their lives on). Because if the species/race/group survives, so does the single animal, and this is why our instinct tells us to make sure we survive in the future.

Also, possibly a dead person can be partially conscious through living people (why it's important a group survives). For instance, you can say Hitler is dead, but if there are millions of people who agree with him, I would say he was even more alive then. People might allow the dead to be conscious, not only that, but carry out actions for them. If you die, and your life, and death inspire someone else to take action, I think you are still very much alive. But if the group who would be inspired by you dies, then you cant really be alive anymore. There are alot of people I would say who are alive in me, from family, to activists. I also think this is the reason it is so important to really leave a mark on the world. Unless you do that, you die whenever the last people who knew you personally die.

People who see no reason to believe in God do not understand God to be anything beyond the corrupt concepts currently perpetuated by organized religions as devices used to manipulate their followers.

That's a very generalized statement.

I see no reason to believe in any god, but that's only because I see no reason for there to be a "creator" or some sort of supreme being. It doesn't seem logical to me.

I don't think the gods that people believe in are corrupt, I believe the people who run the churches are corrupt.

I see no reason to believe in any god, but that's only because I see no reason for there to be a "creator" or some sort of supreme being. It doesn't seem logical to me.

Yes. It does not seem logical to you ... you do not understand how God as described in this thread could be true, you see no reason for that to be so. You do not think that God can be any more then simply concepts in religions.

I said something different?

On the other hand, I do see reason to believe in God. It does make sense to me.

I don't think the gods that people believe in are corrupt, I believe the people who run the churches are corrupt.

Yes, they are. And I also feel that most religions descriptions of God do not accurately describe God; some personify God with dictator like characteristics. They are used not to enlighten, but to manipulate. In that regard, I feel that these concepts are corrupt.

Yeah you did. You said people who don't believe in god can't see beyond the corrupt version.

Seeing the corrupt version isn't what made me think there probably wasn't a god. It was using logic.

Yeah you did. You said people who don't believe in god can't see beyond the corrupt version.

Seeing the corrupt version isn't what made me think there probably wasn't a god. It was using logic.

Any religions conception of God seems just as logical to the followers, as the existence of God seems illogical to you. So "using logic" is a poor description of how you formed that opinion.

God, as described in this thread, seems very logical to me. I do have reason to believe so.

Edit - oh, and I did not say can't. I said did not. If you saw God to be anything beyond a false concept, you would believe in that, would you not? But you see no reason for 'God' to be any more then that ... it's illogical, to you. Understand now?

449, though I agree with the Original Post, I believe you should elaborate quite a bit, to make it easier to understand.

Some suggestions:

-Define "God"

-Define being

-Explain how exactly we are all one being, while living separately in this physical existence.

If you do this, it should create a better voice for your ideas and allow others to actually KNOW what you're talking about, rather than using their imaginations or misguidedness.

There's an invisible llama that lives across the street from you. Also, there are still dinosaurs in the jungle. Prove me wrong.

Edit: Actually, it does make sense. If you take out the word god and its religious connotations. We are all part of one greater thing. It's called the universe. The universe would not be complete without us, because we have already existed. But when people say "god" they usually mean a great powerful being capable of conscious thought.

You might consider the universe a being, since the word "being" refers to anything in a state of existence. The universe is definitely greater than us. It has stronger forces and it is wayyyy bigger than us. It most definitely has power and laws, like gravity and electromagnetic forces. And cause and effect. But... the universe is not capable of conscious thought and can't control what is created or destroyed within its being. It can't judge us either... hmm. I'm going to make this its own thread.

It depends on how you define God is god a personification, does god transcend the very name and ideas we attach to the word, is god all that is in dogma and doctrine or does he transcend god. God is the source the reality that allows all other realities to exist, your love, your hobbies, your worries, your problems all are there own realities that some how seem to be supported by the ultimate reality; this ultimate reality is "what is" and "what could be" you are a part of that experience; your very essence is The Mind of God experiencing itself in all its wonder and amazement.

Its clear now (to me at least) what St. Francis of Assisi meant by "What You Are Looking for Is What Is Looking." The experience of such a discovery one that goes beyond thoughts, feelings, actions, and sensations... It becomes clear that all that really is important is being there for one another and of course to just be there.

... God is the source the reality that allows all other realities to exist, your love, your hobbies, your worries, your problems all are there own realities that some how seem to be supported by the ultimate reality; this ultimate reality is "what is" and "what could be" you are a part of that experience; your very essence is The Mind of God experiencing itself in all its wonder and amazement.

Its clear now (to me at least) what St. Francis of Assisi meant by "What You Are Looking for Is What Is Looking." ...

I agree very much with what you have written, and I believe that is a very accurate and meaningful quote. Very interesting.

449, though I agree with the Original Post, I believe you should elaborate quite a bit, to make it easier to understand.







-Define "God"

-We that are living are God. Religion is a crutch to hinder the greater thinking and evolution of mankind.

-Define being
Hmm.
We are really one conscious, but are torn apart by the false idea of religion, which tells us that we are evil and broken people. Religion wants you to believe that superstitions are real, hindering the greater thinking of mankind. Religion seeks to break apart us as a "being" and make us afraid to explore existence.



-Explain how exactly we are all one being, while living separately in this physical existence.


It's just a feeling of mine. Isn't a family together as one? Why apply this concept to mankind as a whole? We are one big family living together. We all are pieces and together we can unlock are true potential.

But a family living together is one Family, not one Person.
The same applies to Us, we are One People, but not one person, not while we are breathing.

Superstitions have basis in Fact. They were begun to inform.

Religion also has a solid foundation, it is just that it has become twisted and changed over the eras. It is not a crutch, and not all religions teach we are anything other than perfect.

You can unlock the potential of yourself without the help of any other physical representations of the Father.

You create your own reality.

But a family living together is one Family, not one Person.
The same applies to Us, we are One People, but not one person, not while we are breathing.

Superstitions have basis in Fact. They were begun to inform.

Religion also has a solid foundation, it is just that it has become twisted and changed over the eras. It is not a crutch, and not all religions teach we are anything other than perfect.

You can unlock the potential of yourself without the help of any other physical representations of the Father.

You create your own reality.

I will reply to each paragraph statement thing.... :-/

1. "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]." - Excerpt of the 22nd Saying from the Gospel of Thomas

In other words unification, true peace, true freedom, TRUTH all the truly good things we want that extend beyond ego.

2. Myth has basis in fact and fiction the fiction is told to convey a truth that goes beyond words and can only be explained in parables, sayings or stories (Myth). Superstition have there basis in fear, hate and misunderstandings.

3. Religion is purposefully spoken in metaphor its pragmatic not semantic, people of logic tend to speak semantically and people of religion tend to speak pragmatically. This is the root in the conflict between the Anti-religious and Religious.

You are right some religions tell us that we are already perfect even better than the world around us if we realized this at the root of our own being... In fact this ideology is found in Gnosticism.

4. "The Pharisees and the scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them. They have not entered nor have they allowed those who want to enter to do so. As for you, be as sly as snakes and as simple as doves. - Gospel of Thomas Saying 39

What I am trying to say is that the secret to unlock your fullest potential lies within you but people who seem important do not want you to know this they want you to look to them. A more direct quote: "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you." - Gospel of Thomas Saying 70 No, you will not die literally but you will be dead in the sense that you will not realize who you really are and with be one of the many sheeple.

5. I don't want to here any of this The Secret crap. My thoughts do not manipulate the outside world but the outside world can manipulate my thoughts especially if I lead an unexamined life. The Secret is new age crap its pointless granted they have valid points but they do not have an entire correctly stance. Plus I am naturally suspicious of anyone who would wish to share supposed "ancient knowledge" to have anything you ever wanted with someone else in a society that wants you to be a slave to consumption.

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Thanks Obbe for the compliment...

I hated the Secret.

I am talking more of conscious creation and Us being spiritual beings experiencing a physical existence, than of the law of attraction.

I hated the Secret.

I am talking more of conscious creation and Us being spiritual beings experiencing a physical existence, than of the law of attraction.

Than you may have the Gnostic Philosophy already in your mind. Consciousness before physicality and Spiritual being before a physical being. This is part of the Gnostic MYTH of creation. Myths convey truths that cannot be explained in a "rational way." Without a shadow of a doubt whether you believe in God or Not we all realize this system of interconnectedness (E.g. Ecology and Social Interactions).