So I always wondered, Why do Christians over-exaggerate god's "amazing power" and "fatherly love" yet they openly accept the fact that this "god" can condemn them to a burning pit of misery?

Because their religion is already based on ignoring the obvious, so why should they bother to apply any further logic to it? Doing something like that would just shake their belief, which is just too dangerous.

But I'm sure they would say something along the lines of "He's giving you the chance to accept Him in life, so it's your own fault if you don't take advantage of this golden opportunity" or some such bullshit.

I've never really been able to understand this either. It's one of the main reasons that if I did believe in God, then I would probably worship Satan. How could I morally worship something that claimed to love you, then made the world with every piece of evidence pointing to his nonexistence, and then punishing you for all eternity for failing to believe in Him. I mean, Satan isn't much better, but at least he's upfront about buttfucking you.

Sorry to any Christians reading this. I'm not actively trying to offend you, even though it may seem that way. I hate when people do that. I'm just trying to give my perspective, which might insult you, but no more than your insistence that I'm going to be tortured forever and ever for my supposed sins that never hurt anyone.

EDIT: Just fixing up all of those little grammatical and spelling errors that always seem to litter my posts, but which I never seems to occur to me to fix before I hit "Post Reply".

Just for that, you're going to Purgatory.

So I always wondered, Why do Christians over-exaggerate god's "amazing power" and "fatherly love" yet they openly accept the fact that this "god" can condemn them to a burning pit of misery?

God gets to do whatever the fuck he wants no matter what anyone else thinks, says, does, or holds objection to...that's why He's called God. Exactly what He really will do doesn't quite much matter when it comes to speaking of His 'abilities': He can destroy us at whim, undo the Universe, or what the fuck ever. He's God! All Powerful! He answers only to Himself. He gets to make us, propel us, and kill us by any means He sees fit. Why? Because He's God. Don't like it? Too bad: that's the way it is. He gives when He wants to, takes when He wants to, and we are completely and utterly powerless to change His decisions.

We get to either accept the reality He makes and go smooth when it gets rough and enjoy the good times when they show up, or we can fight His decisions and be miserable the whole time as we lament over shit we can't possibly control.

Lol hell. If you can believe a book written several thousand years ago, then your getting sent there.....lulz looks like everyone is getting sent to hell........tfs

Lol hell. If you can believe a book written several thousand years ago, then your getting sent there.....lulz looks like everyone is getting sent to hell........tfs

What's funny, is that the youngest writings of that book are about 1700 years old, and still far outweigh any mindless crap you spew.

What's funny, is that the youngest writings of that book are about 1700 years old, and still far outweigh any mindless crap you spew.

Was that in the interest of learning and understanding? Or was that just you trying to ridicule him?

Was that in the interest of learning and understanding? Or was that just you trying to ridicule him?

Neither. You can take it as ridicule if you want, though...I'm not going to explain it.

There are many ways to look at it.

For me god/heaven is love, hell is fear.
I believe love is there for the taking. We only need holy attitudes and beliefs to live a life of love and experience heaven. If we turn our back on love we get all the things that a loveless mind gets... seperation for one.

God doesn't condemn anybody. We condemn ourselves by making loveless choices and adopting loveless attitudes.

^Well said.

For more on the subject, see the thread "no more hell."

So I always wondered, Why do Christians over-exaggerate god's "amazing power" and "fatherly love" yet they openly accept the fact that this "god" can condemn them to a burning pit of misery?

Not all 'Christians' believe in a literal hell. Some point at the obvious clues such as when Jesus is telling the parable about Lazarus and the rich man the rich man can see heaven from hell and Moses could speak with him from wherever he was. The giveaway is it makes no sense when heard literally. However, as a metaphor, it contrasts the state of happiness the beggar reaches and the state of misery of the rich man as an illustration perhaps of the ultimate futility of riches when used solely to fuel greed. It's significant it was a rich man for therein lies the parallel with many other teachings attributed to Jesus, questioning the integrity of the wealthy and powerful, by contrasting their lives with those of the 'poor'.

Hell never made sense to me, how does one suffer from flames when one's body is dead? There are no nerves to be sending signals like pain or thirst so how could that be a punishment? If the brain is dead how then the thoughts to even know I'm in hell? Not for me! IMHO the passages about hell are analogies that refer to the human mind and the condition of our thoughts as they are created by the emotions one experiences as a result of one's speech, action, and lifestyle. If negative emotions rule, the negative thoughts they engender create neuropeptides that act to energise the lower brain functions. If positive emotions rule one experiences a rush of energy through the amygdala, they click forward energising the pineal gland and causing a surge of serotonin and melatonin to be created. These feel good chemicals make one's body feel bliss and switches on the vast processing power of the human neo-cortex - heaven!

Maybe Hell's a myth, an analogy for life when lived selfishly, how it separates us, causes division, conflict, and suffering. Is Hell a metaphor meant to apply in the present? I think so! What irony it has been used by 'churchians' as a tool of mind-control valuable for gaining wealth, and power - from and over the naive and gullible! What an objective for life! What an achievement! Gaining power and control over the stupid and/or ignorant. Seems like an absurd way to live, a hellish way;)

"The highest destiny of the individual is to serve rather than to rule." - Albert Einstein

Cheers:)

Neither. You can take it as ridicule if you want, though...I'm not going to explain it.

Saying he "spews mindless crap" isn't ridicule?

My, what a convenient definition of "ridicule" you have! It allows you not only to dismiss any points/questions you come across, but to insult others without a second thought!

His words were fueled by emotionalism, not thought. He is angry with religion, and he lets his anger, rather than his mind, control his tongue. What he said is mindless crap.

Ridicule, dear Rust, would be mockery of him for spewing mindless crap. I don't mock him.

His words were fueled by emotionalism, not thought. He is angry with religion, and he lets his anger, rather than his mind, control his tongue. What he said is mindless crap.

Ridicule, dear Rust, would be mockery of him for spewing mindless crap. I don't mock him.

I would hardly call this.......

Lol hell. If you can believe a book written several thousand years ago, then your getting sent there.....lulz looks like everyone is getting sent to hell........tfs

As being fueled by anger, expecially to the point where he is not thinking or using his mind. His statement is actually bit cryptic at the end, rather than ask him why he thinks everyone is going to get sent there, you ridiculed him.

I digress, what I find very funny is the fact that you, a person who believes in magic, jewsih fairy tales, zombie men on sticks, virgin births, etc. tells ANYONE else on the fucking planet that they are not thinking with their mind.

Very funny indeed. Now close up your brain, put up your anti-rationality church doctrined tempered brain wall, and tell me my ghost will burn forever. :)

Like I said, what convenient definition of "ridicule" you have.

Saying that he not only didn't use his mind when speaking, but that what he said was "crap" is ridicule in my book; or at least insulting.

Even worse, you found that regrettable situation "funny" (to quote you). That seems like a comment someone "looking to fuel their own ego" would make...

Like I said, what convenient definition of "ridicule" you have.

Saying that he not only didn't use his mind when speaking, but that what he said was "crap" is ridicule in my book; or at least insulting.

Even worse, you found that regrettable situation "funny" (to quote you). That seems like a comment someone "looking to fuel their own ego" would make...

Should I care what it is in your book? I don't, and I most likely never will.

Should I care what it is in your book? I don't, and I most likely never will.

Apparently for you the only book that matters is the Jewish version of Grimm's fairy tales.

BP: Why would I tell you that you'll burn forever? The hellfire is to purify. You vastly over estimate your abilities if you think you can gather an infinite wealth of sin within your lifetime.

BP: Why would I tell you that you'll burn forever? The hellfire is to purify. You vastly over estimate your abilities if you think you can gather an infinite wealth of sin within your lifetime.

Oh not at all. I don't believe in sin or hellfire. I believe in what exists.

Apparently for you the only book that matters is the Jewish version of Grimm's fairy tales.

If that's what the Bible is in your world, then it does matter to me...yet it holds no real importance. It is the recordings of men who have visited the Library: Much more value is held in the Book of Eternity, the Book of Wisdom, the Book of Life, the Book of Clay, and the Book of Adam.... I didn't bother to open the Book of Death, nor the books of other humans. I didn't care for the knowledge of how and when I die.

Oh not at all. I don't believe in sin or hellfire. I believe in what exists.

I suppose from one viewpoint you know all existence? *All hail BrokeProphet's infinite wisdom!*\

Edit: Just for the record. ^THIS is ridicule.

Should I care what it is in your book? I don't, and I most likely never will.

Well I'd like to think that if you were interested in gaining knowledge and finding out the truth you would, since what it "is in my book" could in fact be correct.

Is your need to feed your ego so strong that you don't even care what I have to say, let alone consider it?

Just for the record. ^THIS is ridicule.

How so? Had you proven either of those exist, you would have a point. Since you haven't posted any evidence, how is that ridicule? It's his position: He believes in what is empirically proven to exist. You haven't proven empirically either of those exist, therefore he doesn't believe in them. How is that ridicule?

God doesn't condemn anybody. We condemn ourselves by making loveless choices and adopting loveless attitudes.

Whatever you create, you experience.

ive never posted in this forum, but I have one question for all who believe in god.
how do you know he is real?
there is NO proof (unless ive been living under a rock for the past couple thousand years).

and you probably get this all the time, so sorry if its repetitive or even not allowed or something.

ive never posted in this forum, but I have one question for all who believe in god.
how do you know he is real?
there is NO proof (unless ive been living under a rock for the past couple thousand years).

and you probably get this all the time, so sorry if its repetitive or even not allowed or something.

There isn't any proof, so it's either taken on faith or by experience. My belief in a conscious supreme entity comes from my experiences.

There isn't any proof, so it's either taken on faith or by experience. My belief in a conscious supreme entity comes from my experiences.

would you be able to share some of these experiences that led you the believe God is real?

I for the record, dont, but im very interested, because I still believe there is a high possibility of a higher power of sorts, just not a concsious and/or all powerful one.

would you be able to share some of these experiences that led you the believe God is real?

I for the record, dont, but im very interested, because I still believe there is a high possibility of a higher power of sorts, just not a concsious and/or all powerful one.

That'd be my entire life story...but I'll share a couple of the key ones:

When I killed myself, I met the consciousness that I now call God: It told me, "It's not your time yet, you have to go back." I woke up in a ditch crying because I didn't want to 'go back'...but here I am.

I overdosed again, and met this consciousness again. It took me to a Library with countless books. The last book I opened was my own. It had my life contained in it. I turned to the last page, and more pages appeared. On the last page, it was a real time record of my experience: Appearing on the pages were my thoughts, feelings, and actions just a bare moment before *I* experienced them. Much of the ramblings you see of mine on this website are from the books I read in that Library. I didn't open the book, Death...it was referenced in Eternity as a complete record of how and when every last creation dies. I didn't want to know that kind of stuff, so I left it closed.

I put down my book and picked up one I had opened prior, but became frightened and put it down, The Divine Joke. It had 26 pages. On the first page, was the letter A...it had eyes and a mouth. I asked it, "Can you tell me what this all means?" It said, "I'm A, you should turn the page and ask B." So I did. It said, "I'm B, you should turn the page and ask C." This continued until I got to the ninth page, 'I'. I said to it, "Can you tell me what this all means?" And it responded in a voice I can only describe as completely retarded, " 'I' don't know shit, and neither does 'U'. "

I came back from that overdose barely conscious in a chair, just chuckling my balls off for the next two or three hours. I'm glad you asked that question, because the account of The Divine Joke had been foggy at best in my memory until now. I had always recalled that it incorporated the alphabet...but not exactly what it was. I'm fucking laughing like a little kid right now. Nothing in life or death has been funnier than that.

Shit, I can't even recall the other major experiences right now...I'm just giggling too much. I'll get back to you in a bit.

I suppose from one viewpoint you know all existence? *All hail BrokeProphet's infinite wisdom!*\

Edit: Just for the record. ^THIS is ridicule.

I think not. I believe in what exists, is NOT the same as saying I know everything that exists AT ALL. Simply is not. Get your shit straight next time you pathetically attempt to ridicule, or feel free to keep your cum dumpster shut. :)

That'd be my entire life story...but I'll share a couple of the key ones:

When I killed myself, I met the consciousness that I now call God: It told me, "It's not your time yet, you have to go back." I woke up in a ditch crying because I didn't want to 'go back'...but here I am.

I overdosed again, and met this consciousness again. It took me to a Library with countless books. The last book I opened was my own. It had my life contained in it. I turned to the last page, and more pages appeared. On the last page, it was a real time record of my experience: Appearing on the pages were my thoughts, feelings, and actions just a bare moment before *I* experienced them. Much of the ramblings you see of mine on this website are from the books I read in that Library. I didn't open the book, Death...it was referenced in Eternity as a complete record of how and when every last creation dies. I didn't want to know that kind of stuff, so I left it closed.

I put down my book and picked up one I had opened prior, but became frightened and put it down, The Divine Joke. It had 26 pages. On the first page, was the letter A...it had eyes and a mouth. I asked it, "Can you tell me what this all means?" It said, "I'm A, you should turn the page and ask B." So I did. It said, "I'm B, you should turn the page and ask C." This continued until I got to the ninth page, 'I'. I said to it, "Can you tell me what this all means?" And it responded in a voice I can only describe as completely retarded, " 'I' don't know shit, and neither does 'U'. "

I came back from that overdose barely conscious in a chair, just chuckling my balls off for the next two or three hours. I'm glad you asked that question, because the account of The Divine Joke had been foggy at best in my memory until now. I had always recalled that it incorporated the alphabet...but not exactly what it was. I'm fucking laughing like a little kid right now. Nothing in life or death has been funnier than that.

Shit, I can't even recall the other major experiences right now...I'm just giggling too much. I'll get back to you in a bit.

Well wouldnt that all just hint only to a higher power, or even to something inside yourself, and not the Christian God and Jesus as the Christ?
sorry if that doesnt make sense..

I think not. I believe in what exists, is NOT the same as saying I know everything that exists AT ALL. Simply is not. Get your shit straight next time you pathetically attempt to ridicule, or feel free to keep your cum dumpster shut. :)

It doesn't matter what you type, I know your fucking soul, man! I KNOW YOUR SOUL! You think you're the greatest fucking thing to ever exist. That is your very fucking core. It's okay though, God made your core as He did your surface. He'll probably change your core as time goes on...but BP, humility doesn't come easy. Prepare for some rough shit coming over the next five years.

It doesn't matter what you type, I know your fucking soul, man! I KNOW YOUR SOUL! You think you're the greatest fucking thing to ever exist. That is your very fucking core. It's okay though, God made your core as He did your surface. He'll probably change your core as time goes on...but BP, humility doesn't come easy. Prepare for some rough shit coming over the next five years.

You know my soul? Tell me.....when did I lose faith? What faith was I? How many religions have I practiced? Which ones? Why did I fall from grace, as you see it? What are my sins, my crimes?

Knowledge is a difficult thing to claim when someone tells you to put your money where your mouth is, isn't it. If you KNOW, I mean KNOW MY FUCKING SOUL!!!! you would have the answers to these questions.

What rough shit need a I be prepared for? You are a fortune teller now, so I am asking you my future, b/c you know that as well, right? You know your God's plan for me, and DARE speak of humility?

It doesn't matter what you type, I know your fucking soul, man! I KNOW YOUR SOUL! You think you're the greatest fucking thing to ever exist. That is your very fucking core. It's okay though, God made your core as He did your surface. He'll probably change your core as time goes on...but BP, humility doesn't come easy. Prepare for some rough shit coming over the next five years.

^ I thought bearing false witness was a sin...

I think it is.

This guy Hex is clearly deluded.

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." - Robert Pirsig

Lighten your loads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_hell

OP, what you have just described is the Problem of Hell. Read that article for more info

Lighten your loads.


So you did deliberately lie?

So you did deliberately lie?

Yes, because I'm a liar and a hypocrite. Have a problem with it? Should I care you find it objectionable? I don't, and never will.

Your problem, Rust, is that you expect a bearer of a true message to be 100% honest in order to establish the factuality of what they say. You're fucking insane, in the exact same way I was. I wanted absolute fucking perfection from whomever I was going to trust, so that I wouldn't be let down. Sorry to break the news, but there is not a single honest person on the entire fucking planet. Never has been, isn't right now, and never will be. We all lie. The sooner you accept that life comes with a certain amount of pain due to trusting that which falls short, the sooner you find that nothing falls short: it breaks your expectations down time and time again until you just fucking live with it and enjoy what IS rather than get shat on every time it falls short of outrageous expectations.

I trust you to know exactly as much as *I* do, and that's absolutely nothing. I trust you to handle my life as well as I do, and that is absolutely terribly. I trust you to the extent I trust myself, and that is completely. Why? Because I've accepted life as it is. It doesn't leave what I see as perfect, because it just is what it fucking is. Opinions don't mean a fucking thing, they change nothing; understanding means nothing, changes nothing; knowledge means nothing, changes nothing; hope means nothing, changes nothing; desire means nothing, changes nothing. The purest truth will be on the line right below this:

^That's it. Now, I can put some text there, and IT STILL JUST IS. Understanding, knowledge, hope, opinions...those might all change with some text there, but it still just is no matter what is perceived. Understand? If not, oh well, it still is what it is. If so, oh well, it still is what it is. I know the search for knowledge is fucking alluring...but it doesn't change that 'it is what it is'. Did the stars change because we have come to understand things about them? Does a nuke only work if we understand the mechanisms behind it? Does life only work if we like it, understand it, etc?

It is, Rust. Comprehension is useless.
Understanding hides it.
Knowledge denies it.
It just...is.

So I always wondered, Why do Christians over-exaggerate god's "amazing power" and "fatherly love" yet they openly accept the fact that this "god" can condemn them to a burning pit of misery?

Scare tactic... at least with some evagelists...

The God is really two gods. One much lesser than the other, in fact there is evidence in our own unenlightened state to prove the lesser Gods existence, as when we have been enlightened there is proof for the true god (for arguement sake I will avoid this "Proof").

The Lesser God Condemns, the Higher God Forgives, hell is real eithier way. If your an unrepented murder in life but repent in afterlife than the Higher God gives mercy and your suffering will end... In my view hell is a state of mind where some negative thoughs or feelings want to seperate you from God. In other words, people in hell are there because they want to be...

Your problem, Rust, is that you expect a bearer of a true message to be 100% honest in order to establish the factuality of what they say.

I expect their message to be good enough in and of itself that they don't have to resort to lying to support it. That does not mean I expect perfection or any other non-sense you typed in yet again another long-winded rant of yours. (http://www.wii60.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/yawn.jpg)

Apparently, your message just isn't good enough.

I expect their message to be good enough in and of itself that they don't have to resort to lying to support it. That does not mean I expect perfection or any other non-sense you typed in yet again another long-winded rant of yours. (http://www.wii60.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/yawn.jpg)

Apparently, your message just isn't good enough.

Every message you've ever been given is good enough. You just think yourself supreme. You ignore everything that's been presented to you outside of your rigid logic system, despite it being completely incapable of bringing you genuine satisfaction in life. Why hold to something that doesn't work?

May I ask you why reality itself isn't enough, why you feel the need to have a partial understanding of it, rather than the genuine experience of it?

It's fine and dandy to intellectually know the universe is A years old, B light years big, follows C laws, decays at the rate of D, and such. Or that the mind can perform E calculations per second, hallucinate F when introduced to G, believe H when I happens, etc...but it doesn't fucking change what's going on. The stars burn whether we know how it happens or not. We can build nukes whether we know how they work or not. We can operate a car without knowing the mechanisms the engine uses. We can live without knowing why we live. We can lie without having a reason. We can steal without needing. All that anything requires is that 'it is'. Stars are, nukes are, cars work, life exists, lies are told, people steal, shit is what it is. Does it matter why someone steals, or even that they stole? Does it really matter if someone dies, or continues living? Are you capable of accurately judging the benefit/utility of anything that is for a particular purpose?

Say you value life more than anything else. Would it then be fair to say that killing a potential mass murderer is right? Would it then be fair to say that saving a potential mass murderer is wrong? Would it be fair to say that nobody knows the right answer to that?

There's one system in the world that works, and that's the one that is. Some of it can be defined by logic, some by emotionalism, some by outright psychosis that follows no reasonable system...the truth is though, that any method of understanding that results FROM reality is inherently incapable of grasping the whole of reality for it is a subset OF reality.

Humans are incapable of grasping the whole of reality because we have these subset systems of seeking 'right' answers: if we attempt to combine two or more of our reasoning systems, we end up with cognitive dissonance. This leaves us with three clear paths: insanity, throw our mind in a box, or accept that it is bigger than us. There are probably more, maybe only one...this is just my meager understanding of something tremendously larger than myself.

Reality is wholly beyond all human comprehension, understanding, knowledge, wisdom, etc. We can not know the whole truth, and that IS truth. You're searching for something that can't be found unless you quit searching...it's within you and without you. You can only seek within...attempts to seek outside are nothing but searching your perception of reality for genuine reality. Only a very small part of reality exists in you; and that part IS you.

This is just my understanding of me though, not reality itself. If you wish to talk about this at all, I'll keep it civil without assaulting your ego or any shit like that...I'm genuinely interested in talking to you now, so respond if you'd like to discuss.

http://www.wii60.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/yawn.jpg

When you can back up any part of that bullshit-filled rant, let me know. Until then, please spare me the continuous barrage of these ridiculous allegations, lies, exaggerations and just plain dishonest statements.

Putting words in my mouth, lying, and blatantly making shit up is not going to get any "message" across; it just going to prove how desperate you are to hold on to your delusions (delusions because they remain unsubstantiated bullshit until you ever manage to support any of them - which you haven't even though you've been repeatedly asked to do so).

Again, if you can't spread your message without resulting to these dishonest tactics, then your message isn't good enough.

you guys CAN'T be teenagers. how old are you Hexa and Rust ?

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Ah, this topic is a good one!
In my opinion, both the concepts of the existence and the non-existence of God are crazy.
The Universe is infinite. Or is it not? The concept of infinite is far too wide for us simple humans to understand.
And, if the universe DOES end, does it end like a film roll, a white screen and that's it? But to where that white screen leads?
I say this because God is like infinity. We will never be able to fully understand it. But humans always recurred to religion to explain phenomena they couldn't understand, or feared.
So what stops God from being a human invention? Nothing.
I believe in God, but not the Christian God or the church. Church is just another piece of shit that should be erradicated from the face of the earth, just for halting the human progress for centuries during the Dark Ages.
They're worse than Scientologists, if you look at it from an objetive angle.
I believe in a higher power, because I can't understand how everything came into being.
Coincidence? Perhaps, but to me that is even crazier than believing in a higher power.
But, again, I recurr to what you could call "faith" to explain things I don't understand, just like the so-called primitive people did.
Is this higher power conscious? Is it antropomorphic? Is it just energy? Do you get revelations when you die? Do you reincarnate?
My eagerness for knowledge is enormous, I'd like to know all the answers, but that is impossible. Hexadecimal, knowledge DOES change things.
Knowing how to cure a disease saves lives, knowing that we're not puppets of God opens our eyes and leads us to happiness. Hope changes everything too.
I liked the approach that Rusty has. He's open to discussion and doesn't "ridicule" people for believeing or not.
But, on the other hand, faith saves lives too. People get cured from diseases, and even though I would call it self suggestion, it still cures them. Faith is the medium, their own body is the healer.
Well, I kind of dwelled in the soup here, but you get my point.
Believing or not is totally up to you, and you shouldn't burn in hell for eternity just for not accepting other's belief, with no evidence WHATSOEVER to support it, if God gave us free will, right? How is that fair?
Did God need such an ego boost that he created all humankind to worship him?
If I told you I could fly, would you believe me? I say I can't prove it, but you'll just have to "believe", you'd just call me a nutjob.
This topic is very confusing, and we'll never get to a common opinion. Each person has to live their life, see what works for them, and through no one's experience but their own they should make their judgement.
But the human was given the judgement to know what is right and wrong (not the chruch sins, but the basic morals), like killing, and such.
So that may have something to do when you die, perhaps you DO get trialed for your crimes.
That's my opinion, they're mostly questions, but that's everybody I guess.
To the few people that read that, i hope that it made you think, whichever side of the dispute you've chosen, and that you've enjoyed reading it.
Good day.

Hexadecimal, your replies in this thread, plus your replies in my thread have gained you my respect.
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Ah, this topic is a good one!
In my opinion, both the concepts of the existence and the non-existence of God are crazy.
The Universe is infinite. Or is it not? The concept of infinite is far too wide for us simple humans to understand.
And, if the universe DOES end, does it end like a film roll, a white screen and that's it? But to where that white screen leads?
I say this because God is like infinity. We will never be able to fully understand it. But humans always recurred to religion to explain phenomena they couldn't understand, or feared.
So what stops God from being a human invention? Nothing.
I believe in God, but not the Christian God or the church. Church is just another piece of shit that should be erradicated from the face of the earth, just for halting the human progress for centuries during the Dark Ages.
They're worse than Scientologists, if you look at it from an objetive angle.
I believe in a higher power, because I can't understand how everything came into being.
Coincidence? Perhaps, but to me that is even crazier than believing in a higher power.
But, again, I recurr to what you could call "faith" to explain things I don't understand, just like the so-called primitive people did.
Is this higher power conscious? Is it antropomorphic? Is it just energy? Do you get revelations when you die? Do you reincarnate?
My eagerness for knowledge is enormous, I'd like to know all the answers, but that is impossible. Hexadecimal, knowledge DOES change things.
Knowing how to cure a disease saves lives, knowing that we're not puppets of God opens our eyes and leads us to happiness. Hope changes everything too.
I liked the approach that Rusty has. He's open to discussion and doesn't "ridicule" people for believeing or not.
But, on the other hand, faith saves lives too. People get cured from diseases, and even though I would call it self suggestion, it still cures them. Faith is the medium, their own body is the healer.
Well, I kind of dwelled in the soup here, but you get my point.
Believing or not is totally up to you, and you shouldn't burn in hell for eternity just for not accepting other's belief, with no evidence WHATSOEVER to support it, if God gave us free will, right? How is that fair?
Did God need such an ego boost that he created all humankind to worship him?
If I told you I could fly, would you believe me? I say I can't prove it, but you'll just have to "believe", you'd just call me a nutjob.
This topic is very confusing, and we'll never get to a common opinion. Each person has to live their life, see what works for them, and through no one's experience but their own they should make their judgement.
But the human was given the judgement to know what is right and wrong (not the chruch sins, but the basic morals), like killing, and such.
So that may have something to do when you die, perhaps you DO get trialed for your crimes.
That's my opinion, they're mostly questions, but that's everybody I guess.
To the few people that read that, i hope that it made you think, whichever side of the dispute you've chosen, and that you've enjoyed reading it.
Good day.


Very well put for someone with Down Syndrome.

You're a retard.

You owe me for reading this.

Hexadecimal, your replies in this thread, plus your replies in my thread have gained you my respect.
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Really? You must have missed the post in which he claims to have conversed with God himself face to face.

Very well put for someone with Down Syndrome.

You're a retard.

You owe me for reading this.

Lol pwned.
You owe to society for living off of its welfare, nigger.