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DonJabronyo
2008-03-03, 22:53
we are all in a sense gods ourselves in that we are able to create certain things and predetermine our creations. our control over ourselves, however, is limited.

think of the universe as layers. let's say we make a lil movie. the character of that movie is our creation. the character exists in our plane as an entirely different person. but him, him in the movie, his fate is all completely written. he has no real freedom. yet, the director, is not completely his god. existing in another layer, outside of scripts and scenes, this world, he also does not exercise real freedom over his fate. whether or not his fate is predetermined, we may never know.

what is god? god is beyond our comprehension. what's certain however is that he does not need to catch up with time. he is without end, without beginning. he is the point when "it" completely determines "itself"

are we all a part of this universe? even just our ideas and emotions? without a doubt. are we all a part of god? possibly.

Whore of God
2008-03-04, 02:16
we are all in a sense gods ourselves in that we are able to create certain things and predetermine our creations. our control over ourselves, however, is limited.

think of the universe as layers. let's say we make a lil movie. the character of that movie is our creation. the character exists in our plane as an entirely different person. but him, him in the movie, his fate is all completely written. he has no real freedom. yet, the director, is not completely his god. existing in another layer, outside of scripts and scenes, this world, he also does not exercise real freedom over his fate. whether or not his fate is predetermined, we may never know.

what is god? god is beyond our comprehension. what's certain however is that he does not need to catch up with time. he is without end, without beginning. he is the point when "it" completely determines "itself"

are we all a part of this universe? even just our ideas and emotions? without a doubt. are we all a part of god? possibly.

I like the ideas in your second paragraph.

If you define us to be all Gods, that's nothing special is it? It makes no difference. It's just a redefinition. If I define a bag of peanuts to be God, it means nothing. By most definitions God is omnipotent and unlimited; we are not.

Axiom
2008-03-04, 23:33
we are all in a sense gods ourselves in that we are able to create certain things and predetermine our creations. our control over ourselves, however, is limited.

This is the part of every human that gives rise to God...

Human beings thought that all things in existence had a Creator, as that was their only experience at the time. So when faced with a massive, immovable and powerful mountain.

Who could have made that?

And equally massive, immovable and powerful person... A God...

Dragon Slayer
2008-03-05, 01:21
we are all in a sense gods ourselves in that we are able to create certain things and predetermine our creations. our control over ourselves, however, is limited.

what is god? god is beyond our comprehension. what's certain however is that he does not need to catch up with time. he is without end, without beginning. he is the point when "it" completely determines "itself"

are we all a part of this universe? even just our ideas and emotions? without a doubt. are we all a part of god? possibly.

The term "god" refers to a deity that is worshiped; it would be much more sensible to refer to humans as creators.

And what makes you think "god" would have a gender?

A better definition of the creator would be a formless intelligence that determines all the rules of the universe and is ultimately the universe itself, which of course, we all are a part of.

This is the part of every human that gives rise to God...

Human beings thought that all things in existence had a Creator, as that was their only experience at the time. So when faced with a massive, immovable and powerful mountain.

Who could have made that?

And equally massive, immovable and powerful person... A God...

Nothing fathomable has came into existence without a creator, even if that creator was particles and chemical reactions. How would it be possible for such strict principles and determents to come into play if they themselves weren't dictated by a higher intelligence?

Whore of God
2008-03-05, 02:08
Nothing fathomable has came into existence without a creator, even if that creator was particles and chemical reactions. How would it be possible for such strict principles and determents to come into play if they themselves weren't dictated by a higher intelligence?

Teleological argument = OLD. It's been argued for and refuted enough times already

Dragon Slayer
2008-03-05, 03:03
Teleological argument = OLD. It's been argued for and refuted enough times already

It certainly isn't less valid than an opposing argument that something can be created from nothing, which of course, has also been refuted enough times.

But all these arguments are proposed with fallible logic, so you can suppose there both equally false.

Axiom
2008-03-05, 05:07
Nothing fathomable has came into existence without a creator, even if that creator was particles and chemical reactions. How would it be possible for such strict principles and determents to come into play if they themselves weren't dictated by a higher intelligence?

Well the religion that I choose to follow is that of multiple universes. We find ourselves in one who's physics is dictated by the matter of which it is made. That matter gave rise to seemingly strict principles but this has been proven to fall off very rapidly and is not entirely understood at this stage...

The number of universes in which the physics is chaotic approaches infinity...