Does anyone else here pray for both demonic and angelic possessions in their daily living in order to accomplish tasks otherwise impossible?

Say for example, you can only lift 250 pounds. So you ask demons into your body through prayer and meditation to help lift a 400 pound object.

Or, say for example, you wish to speak to the Spirit, so you ask an angel to carry a question to the Spirit, and to bring the answer back; this also done with prayer and meditation.

Also, does anyone else hold to demons and angels being the same thing, but of different purposes? For example, the angel Aethrisus brings messages; yet the 'demon' Aethrosin carries messages from person to person. It seems to me that demons and angels both serve the highest spirit the same, yet the demons seem to be tasked with human to human relations while the angels are tasked with Spirit to spirit/human relations.

I don't believe in mythological creatures.

I don't believe in mythological creatures.

+1 for passive-aggressive attack on someone else's faith!

Personally, if I wished to speak to a figment of my imagination, I see no reason to invent an imaginary courier to deliver the message.

Say for example, you can only lift 250 pounds. So you ask demons into your body through prayer and meditation to help lift a 400 pound object.
Have you done this?

:+1 for passive-aggressive attack on someone else's faith!

That actually made me laugh. Am I a bad person?

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You have a very odd (but pretty good) amalgam of beliefs drawn from many different religions and denominations, Hexadecimal. This is pretty unusual, considering most people just swing one way or the other. How did this come about?

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That actually made me laugh. Am I a bad person?

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You have a very odd (but pretty good) amalgam of beliefs drawn from many different religions and denominations, Hexadecimal. This is pretty unusual, considering most people just swing one way or the other. How did this come about?

It's a meager understanding of the meaning behind the words used. Dictionaries are all but useless in understanding someone else's perspective. Connotation is the root of most spoken words. People speak from their own understanding of a language, not another's. Truth of the matter is, I probably believe the same things most every human being does...expressing and absorbing it in a wide variety of terms and various belief structures just helps me connect to others a little better; which is a great boon in finding earnest love for them as individuals and as part of the whole.

Have you done this?

Tapped into hidden reserves through spiritual means? Yes. That specific example? No. I don't come across heavy lifting of that magnitude too often. I've actually only prayed and meditated upon spirit possession of the human nature once: It was during my brilliant excursion to Halifax in the middle of a rough winter. Foot deep snow, 1 degree and heavy winds, a failed engine, no nourishment for two days prior, no money, no food, no water, and 20 miles to people. I made it; praying the entire trek for more endurance, more energy...more anything, including demons, to help me make it. At some point, I was on the verge of fainting. I sat down for a moment; as I began to pray, I could feel presences around me. Some mighty gruesome images flashed in my head as I begged God for even his lowest servants to help me. My body gained some second wind from this negative power source - I stood up, and felt as though I hadn't taken a single step that day. I finished the rest of the journey with ease.

The next two days I couldn't walk, and my entire body ached tremendously. It was quite a journey. That was the day I found spirituality.

And you don't attribute yourself feeling a presence to the fact that you were undernourished, dehydrated and exhausted so your brain was having a little mess-about?

I can't know your personal experiences, but the boost sounds more psychological than an actual demon helping you. Ah, the advantages of religion

I've actually only prayed and meditated upon spirit possession of the human nature once: It was during my brilliant excursion to Halifax in the middle of a rough winter. Foot deep snow, 1 degree and heavy winds, a failed engine, no nourishment for two days prior, no money, no food, no water, and 20 miles to people. I made it; praying the entire trek for more endurance, more energy...more anything, including demons, to help me make it. At some point, I was on the verge of fainting. I sat down for a moment; as I began to pray, I could feel presences around me. Some mighty gruesome images flashed in my head as I begged God for even his lowest servants to help me. My body gained some second wind from this negative power source - I stood up, and felt as though I hadn't taken a single step that day. I finished the rest of the journey with ease.

The next two days I couldn't walk, and my entire body ached tremendously. It was quite a journey. That was the day I found spirituality.

Ever heard of a "Runner's High"? It's where they reach into the deepest reserves within themselves to persevere, even in the face of exhaustion and physical pain - and finish their run without feeling pain or fatigue. Some have even described it as a euphoric feeling. Can you entertain the thought, Hex, that this may have been what pushed you through that difficult trek in Halifax?

"When the body is put under stress the mind reacts accordingly. This is why endorphins are commonly associated with runner's high. Endorphins are any of a group of opiate proteins with pain-relieving properties that are found naturally in the brain. The word "endorphine" comes from endogenous, meaning "produced within the body" and morphine, a chemical substance derived from opium that elevates mood and reduces pain. Endorphines in turn are neurotransmitters that are chemically similar to morphine. It has been realized that the brain responds to morphine and that morphine receptors are in the brain. Knowing that human cells have receptors for this drug suggests that the body produces its own morphine like substances. Endorphines and enkephalins are names given to these neurotransmitters."

- Drew Weston, Psychology: Mind, Brain, & Culture, (New York: John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1996), p. 83.

Self-improvement and the capacity we have to push ourselves as far as we can go isn't unusual, and doesn't require spirits to assist us. I can imagine that for some, assigning an identity (such as an angel or a demon) to the perseverence they're able to conjure up inside of them to achieve their mental or physical goals might be easier than admitting to themselves that they've possessed that drive all along.

Perhaps the self-improvement you've undergone that you attribute to The Hand of God touching your life is a comforting explanation, since you have such little faith in yourself to overcome the trials and tribulations of life on your own. Maybe as you become more confident in managing yourself according to the values you choose to live by that brings positive effects on your life, you can eventually give credit where credit is due: To your own drive, dogged determination and abilities.

Does anyone else here pray for both demonic and angelic possessions in their daily living in order to accomplish tasks otherwise impossible?

Say for example, you can only lift 250 pounds. So you ask demons into your body through prayer and meditation to help lift a 400 pound object.

Or, say for example, you wish to speak to the Spirit, so you ask an angel to carry a question to the Spirit, and to bring the answer back; this also done with prayer and meditation.

Also, does anyone else hold to demons and angels being the same thing, but of different purposes? For example, the angel Aethrisus brings messages; yet the 'demon' Aethrosin carries messages from person to person. It seems to me that demons and angels both serve the highest spirit the same, yet the demons seem to be tasked with human to human relations while the angels are tasked with Spirit to spirit/human relations.

I can speak to my teacher over long distances in my mind if that's what you mean, but only while meditating.

I was once posessed with the soul of a dead army colonel who would tip the scales in heavens second war. Eric Stoltz gave it to me.

Does anyone else here pray for both demonic and angelic possessions in their daily living in order to accomplish tasks otherwise impossible?

Say for example, you can only lift 250 pounds. So you ask demons into your body through prayer and meditation to help lift a 400 pound object.

Or, say for example, you wish to speak to the Spirit, so you ask an angel to carry a question to the Spirit, and to bring the answer back; this also done with prayer and meditation.

Also, does anyone else hold to demons and angels being the same thing, but of different purposes? For example, the angel Aethrisus brings messages; yet the 'demon' Aethrosin carries messages from person to person. It seems to me that demons and angels both serve the highest spirit the same, yet the demons seem to be tasked with human to human relations while the angels are tasked with Spirit to spirit/human relations.

Interesting.
Just out of interest, have you had any sort of experience involving Sammael?

Interesting.
Just out of interest, have you had any sort of experience involving Sammael?

Asmodeus, Samael, Shytan, Lucifer, Beelzebub, Abaddon...whatever you want to call him. Yes. He's actually as much a servant of God as the 'unfallen'...his duties tend to give him an awful stigma though. Being the Angel of Destruction and leading the temptation of man tends to get one seen as 'evil'...people don't like to acknowledge that the Fallen have no power to tempt whatsoever if the individual isn't willing to succumb. His/its job is essentially to show people where they need to find a stronger reliance upon the Spirit.

If you read the book of Job, notice that the unfallen angels act as a shield for Samael to protect him from the unadulterated Spirit; were Samael a true enemy of God, rather than a servant, why would God have this Fallen protected rather than let him be smitten? Some see the book of Job as a message of the origins of temptation...that is not the case; Samael wanted to know whether or not his ability to tempt extended into those who relied upon the Spirit. He, being ignorant, did not know the extent and limit of his power, and made his plea to God in order to find out.

Chronologically, in the Bible (and most other spiritual literatures), from that point on, Samael focused efforts of temptation upon the Children in times of abandoned faith. Contrarily, in times of great faith, Samael served as a boundary to the faithful so that they may see the path of destruction and stay clear of it (this was done in the case of Abraham's sacrifice of his son). Samael is entirely God's greatest gift to mankind in supplementation of 'free will'; ever present to warn us of straying down the path he is charged with keeping.

Realistically though, if you take the angels and demons into the biblical perspective of God's claim to omni-being 'I am everything that ever was, is, and will be'; the Angels and the Demons both are lesser manifestations of God. None good, none evil...they just are.

As to my specific experience with the 'devil'...well, I walked the path he watched for a long time. He always wept...I thought it was because he was 'separated' from God's light. After I left his path though he quit weeping; I asked him why he once wept. He told me that he wished nobody to walk the path of destruction, and it hurt him tremendously to see me walking that path. He said I had to walk the path of destruction before I would walk in the Light, though. That was...a powerful moment for me. Even the being that serves to tempt us into death doesn't want us to fall into temptation...but for many of us, we have to before we see the importance of relying upon the Spirit.

AF: Calling it what I do brings me no comfort. I call it what I do because that's what it is to me. I see it, I feel it, I speak with it. It's a functioning part of my daily life to speak with angels and demons, and to ask their help in my life.

If you want to think of me as disturbed, or deluded, that's wonderful if it actually helps you live more in the light. For me though, this is how I perceive the reality around me...it's the same one you live in, and the same one everyone else lives in...it's all a matter of perception. If in your perception, matter is all there is, that's fine by me. I'm not going to worry about another's perception so long as they understand that walking with the light of love is paramount.

AF: Calling it what I do brings me no comfort.

C'mon, now. Truly?


If you want to think of me as disturbed, or deluded, that's wonderful if it actually helps you live more in the light.

Where'd you get that from? :confused:

I was acknowledging the survival technique you described and trying to make sense of it through my own perspective.

Truly.


"Where'd you get that from?"

Most folks that 'talk to divine beings' have a tendency of buying compounds, stock-piling weapons, and starting cults. I was saying if thinking of me like that, for any reason, would help you find a better ability to walk in the light, then please do. I don't quite know whether it would or wouldn't...but some folks prefer to cast off fringe perceptions as insane to help them coalesce towards, and better accept the mean perceptions they better identify with. It's a middle ground between isolation and omni-inclusiveness.

When I was in the twelfth level of the dungeons of Gehennom, I was fighting a few shadowbeasts, and asked my god Set to imbue me with strength and my axe with his firey fury. Thankfully, he did, and I managed to get the Amulet of Yendor for him.

That was one awesome nethack game.

When I was in the twelfth level of the dungeons of Gehennom, I was fighting a few shadowbeasts, and asked my god Set to imbue me with strength and my axe with his firey fury. Thankfully, he did, and I managed to get the Amulet of Yendor for him.

That was one awesome nethack game.

Sounds fun. Is it freeware?

Sounds fun. Is it freeware?

Really, if you don't know what NetHack is, you shouldn't be playing nethack. I usually play telnetted into my server on a serial line, because nothing says ``nethack'' like ``2600 baud''.

Truly.

Hold on a second.

Are you saying that having the ability to call upon spirits who grant you super powers, is not comforting?

Are you saying that "knowing" death is nothing to fear b/c your spirit lives on, is not comforting?

Are you saying that having "direct" chats with all powerful beings (who LOVE you), is not comforting?

I would like to know how you define a comforting idea. I have to call bullshit.