People are funny--you say you talk to God (i.e., pray), they think you're pious--say that God answers you, they say you're nuts.

Some of us converse with various and sundry higher powers--devas, demons, power animals, familiars, Higher Selves,whatever you want to call them--and this raises the question once stated by Rocket J. Squirrel, thusly "Are they friendly spirits?"

There is a simple and infallable means of telling whether or not that voice in your head is God or , say, the ghost of Heinrich Himmler. God is love. Any message you get which is grounded in love and unity is from God or one of God's messengers.

Any message grounded in fear and separation is not. There are no other options--it has to be one of the other, this being one of the primal dualities of the universe.

Are you there god, its me, Z He Lives..

"God is love. Any message you get which is grounded in love and unity is from God or one of God's messengers."

So if me, my aunt, my sister, my mom, and three female cousins all have consensual sex, its the voice of god? We love each other, and itll unite us together, and a supernatural being took the time to come into my thoughts and say "fuck yes jim, give it to her HARD"?

Thats called ego... You dont hear God if its in some orgiastic state.

What do you mean there are no other options?

Everyone of us has an inner dialogue. A discussion that goes on within our brains to help us sort out a proper course of action given a set of circumstance. You have an inner dialogue to decide whether or not to eat your mashed potatoes with a fork or with a spoon.

Such a simple dialogue as that receives little attention, because it is seen for what it is, thinking. But when a dialogue takes place over a monumental decision, like deciding whether or not to pull the plug on grandma, suddendly it ceases to be thinking, and starts to become divine.

This is beyond stupid.

The problem with theists is they confuse this dialogue (which is completely internal) as something that comes from external forces. Then they create a great big imaginary world in which this external force plays a major role.

Then you feel important and justified for having such a close relationship with a mysterious all powerful being.

It is pure ego driven garbage.

Or........how about another option.........God exists, and is not love. God exists and is pure hatred, and WE are the light and love of the universe.

I don't believe either of those, because I choose not to believe in fairy tales, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't believe either of them. In fact, both of my other options have as much evidence as your preferred (and more comforting) options.

The point is, you are being rather ignorant in your assessment that there are only a few options for what is taking place when a person "talks" to themselves.

Damn, BrokeProphet was seriously scarred by his experiences with religion.

Damn, BrokeProphet was seriously scarred by his experiences with religion.

Wild speculation on your part. I've never seen him post anything supporting this. Maybe I missed it - but my wager is on you speculating based on your own unsupported assumptions.

What do you mean there are no other options?

Everyone of us has an inner dialogue. A discussion that goes on within our brains to help us sort out a proper course of action given a set of circumstance. You have an inner dialogue to decide whether or not to eat your mashed potatoes with a fork or with a spoon.

Such a simple dialogue as that receives little attention, because it is seen for what it is, thinking. But when a dialogue takes place over a monumental decision, like deciding whether or not to pull the plug on grandma, suddendly it ceases to be thinking, and starts to become divine.

This is beyond stupid.

The problem with theists is they confuse this dialogue (which is completely internal) as something that comes from external forces. Then they create a great big imaginary world in which this external force plays a major role.

Then you feel important and justified for having such a close relationship with a mysterious all powerful being.

It is pure ego driven garbage.

Or........how about another option.........God exists, and is not love. God exists and is pure hatred, and WE are the light and love of the universe.

I don't believe either of those, because I choose not to believe in fairy tales, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't believe either of them. In fact, both of my other options have as much evidence as your preferred (and more comforting) options.

The point is, you are being rather ignorant in your assessment that there are only a few options for what is taking place when a person "talks" to themselves.

I largely agree with the ideas here.

What do you mean there are no other options?

Everyone of us has an inner dialogue. A discussion that goes on within our brains to

Then you feel important and justified for having such a close relationship with a mysterious all powerful being.

It is pure ego driven garbage.

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Evidently I failed to make myself clear. By "no other option," I meant that every thought, word, and deed that we manifest comes from one of two places--fear or love. We ARE complex critters, but if you look at your deeds carefuly, you will find them sponsored by love or by fear (or one of the masks worn by fear--hatred or jealousy).

And I thought it obvious that I was not referring to the inner dialogue. Most of us have had moments when a thought just seemed to come out of no where--intuition is another word for it. Jesus referred to it when he said that the kingdom of God is within you.

And I have stated repeatedly that God is not a being--at least not in the sense that most people use the word, to denote a discrete entity. God is, by definition, infinite and beyond comprehensive description--but like millions of others, I conceptualize God as the web of energy, intelligence, information and love that permeates all things--some call it the Force, others the Unified Field, still others the Holy Ghost. Same thing.

Ego has nothing to do with it. When one attans the highest state of consciousness, unity consciousness, one realizes that we are all one--no one is better or worse than any one else, and no one is special.

Ego has nothing to do with it. When one attans the highest state of consciousness, unity consciousness, one realizes that we are all one--no one is better or worse than any one else, and no one is special.

When one attains this higher consciousness, are they not better than those who live unaware and less conscious of the truth? If not, then what is so important about attaining higher levels of consciousness?

There is a simple and infallable means of telling whether or not that voice in your head is God or , say, the ghost of Heinrich Himmler. God is love. Any message you get which is grounded in love and unity is from God or one of God's messengers.

Any message grounded in fear and separation is not. There are no other options--it has to be one of the other, this being one of the primal dualities of the universe.

Whether you believe god to be a web of energy, benevolent, incomprehensible, etc. doesn't matter.

The voice of "God" is simply your inner dialogue, problem sovling skills posessed by all animals with higher cerebral capacities. What this voice says, how it says it, when it says things, is all directly related to past experiences, and genetics (in the case of those born with brain abnormalities).

If your inner dialogue is constantly telling you, you are worthless and will always fail, I would be willing to bet your parents told or implied the same shit. If you are a kind and truly wonderful person, I would be surprised to find out that your parents were junkies who sold you (as a child) to pedophiles for crack money. Not saying it is impossible, just highly, highly, highly improbable.

There is nothing mystical in a person's inner dialogue. No magic. No God. No energy force. No holy spirit. No ghosts, demons, ghouls, angels, spirits, or alien intelligence. There exists simple nature and nurture and this ultimately defines who you are, why you are, who you WILL become, and what your inner dialogue (voice of God, whatever it's form is) is going to say in a given set of circumstance.

When one attains this higher consciousness, are they not better than those who live unaware and less conscious of the truth? If not, then what is so important about attaining higher levels of consciousness?

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Not at all. When one attains the highest state of consciousness, one realizes that we are all one. We are ALL on the road to sainthood, and even those who have evolved least will in time attain the consciousness of those who have evolved most. This concept is behind the statement of Jesus, to the effect that whatever you do to the least of your brethren, you do also to me.

Your position is consistent with a level one state of consciousness, in which one sees the world as being largely competitive, a sort of dog eat dog thing. When one attains a higher consciousness, there is no need to compete, and the idea of anyone or anything being "better" than any other simply vanishes.

We all choose what is important to us. That is part of how we express and declare who and what we are--whhich is why we are here in the first place. I have had some degree of wealth and fame years ago in my youth, and came to see them as hollow, meaningless, and ultimately of no value. Today, there is nothing that is more important to me--and nothing has EVER given me greater pleasure or fulfillment--that growing spiritually.

IMHO, I am happier than most people, and hence better off--but "better off"--no matter how you define it--is nothing like "better". The moment I start thinking of myself as better or special, is the moment I become very dangerous.

What do you mean there are no other options?

Everyone of us has an inner dialogue. A discussion that goes on within our brains to help us sort out a proper course of action given a set of circumstance. You have an inner dialogue to decide whether or not to eat your mashed potatoes with a fork or with a spoon.

Such a simple dialogue as that receives little attention, because it is seen for what it is, thinking. But when a dialogue takes place over a monumental decision, like deciding whether or not to pull the plug on grandma, suddendly it ceases to be thinking, and starts to become divine.

This is beyond stupid.

The problem with theists is they confuse this dialogue (which is completely internal) as something that comes from external forces. Then they create a great big imaginary world in which this external force plays a major role.

Then you feel important and justified for having such a close relationship with a mysterious all powerful being.

It is pure ego driven garbage.
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Perhaps I failed to make myself clear.

One--ALL thoughts, ideas, actions are grounded in love, or fear. There are no other options.

Two--The ego has nothing to do with one's essential self.

And I have stated repeatedly that God is not a being--at least not in the sense that most people use the word, to denote a discrete entity. God is, by definition, infinite and beyond comprehensive description--but like millions of others, I conceptualize God as the web of energy, intelligence, information and love that permeates all things--some call it the Force, others the Unified Field, still others the Holy Ghost. Same thing.



Herein lies the difficulty in discussing God. "God is Spirit"(Gospel of John) Spirit = non-corporeal being or being without form i.e. formless. 'God is Formless', therefore any attempt to describe God is a futile attempt to give form to that which is formless - it cannot be done!

One--ALL thoughts, ideas, actions are grounded in love, or fear. There are no other options.

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I'M NOT AFRAID ANYMORE!!!

Perhaps I failed to make myself clear.

One--ALL thoughts, ideas, actions are grounded in love, or fear. There are no other options.

Two--The ego has nothing to do with one's essential self.

I dont think ALL thoughts, ideas, and actions can be boiled down to two simple catagories. I don't think anything in this universe is that black and white.

If I throw a bag of burning dogshit on your porch, you going to tell me it is out of love or fear?

If I drown a kitten in my bathtub, JUST so I can cut him open and see what color his organs are...you going to tell me it is out of love or fear?

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The ego is a part of one's essential self. The ego is essential to mankind, and can never be fully controlled, subverted, or destroyed.

The problem with theists is they confuse this dialogue (which is completely internal) as something that comes from external forces. Then they create a great big imaginary world in which this external force plays a major role.

The internal dialog is external. Thought is matter. The ego(s) is an illusion.

There are no other options--it has to be one of the other, this being one of the primal dualities of the universe.

Option three...subconscious. This option is more valid than to two you posit as the ONLY two options available b/c subconscious mind has empirical evidence to back it up.

Feel free to restate your "There are no other options--" nonsense at any time.

FYI...
If you believe something external is in your mind, you suffer from delusions of influence a symptom of schizophrenia.

Evidently I failed to make myself clear. By "no other option," I meant that every thought, word, and deed that we manifest comes from one of two places--fear or love. We ARE complex critters, but if you look at your deeds carefuly, you will find them sponsored by love or by fear (or one of the masks worn by fear--hatred or jealousy).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q38N9QvsdzU

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I'M NOT AFRAID ANYMORE!!!

damn, you beat me to it.

If I throw a bag of burning dogshit on your porch, you going to tell me it is out of love or fear?

If I drown a kitten in my bathtub, JUST so I can cut him open and see what color his organs are...you going to tell me it is out of love or fear?

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The ego is a part of one's essential self. The ego is essential to mankind, and can never be fully controlled, subverted, or destroyed.

I would not presume to try to guess what goes on in your mind, or how it works.

In general, those who perform such, I dunno, basically foolish, inhumane or meanspirited actions are beneath my notice. Such people are so deeply pathological as to be, IMHO, somehow less than human.

I would point out, though, that fear wears many masks--hate, fear, jealousy, cruelty can all be traced back to the sponsoring notion of fear.

Do you think it was fear that prompted Deepak Chopra to file all those million dollar lawsuits?

Option three...subconscious. This option is more valid than to two you posit as the ONLY two options available b/c subconscious mind has empirical evidence to back it up.

Feel free to restate your "There are no other options--" nonsense at any time.

FYI...
If you believe something external is in your mind, you suffer from delusions of influence a symptom of schizophrenia.

BP, we've been over this 'mental illness' gambit. Believing an external force to have an internal effect is not a delusion of influence. The delusion of influence is when this external force which has internal power gives directives that lead to self-destructive and/or socially disruptive behaviors. If it does not create behaviors derived from delusional thinking, it is not considered a delusion, as used by the psychiatric field.

Study more.

Do you think it was fear that prompted Deepak Chopra to file all those million dollar lawsuits?

This is news to me.

Details, please.

This is news to me.

Details, please.

(1) A significant episode in Chopra's career occurred in 1991, when the Journal of the American Medical Association published an article by Chopra, Triguna and Hari Sharma, "Letter From New Delhi: Maharishi Ayur-Veda: Modern Insights Into Ancient Medicine." Criticism from the Journal's readers over the validity of the article's argument led the associate editor to write a rebuttal in which he criticized the financial stake the authors had in validating and selling their products, the Hindu belief in yogic flying, and the basis of Chopra's ayurveda in TM (Los Angeles Times, September 7, 1997). Chopra responded by filing a $30 million suit in which he accused the Journal of defamation and bigotry (Ibid.). Chopra's lawyer claims that the suit was settled for an undisclosed amount (Newsweek, October 20, 1997, p. 57); some critics, however, state that the suit was dismissed "

(2) Ageless Body, Timeless Mind led Chopra into a fierce lawsuit over plagiarism. The book contains unaccredited material developed by Robert Sapolsky, a professor of biology at Stanford University; Sapolsky filed suit on January 23, 1997 . The suit was recently settled out-of-court, with Chopra agreeing to provide proper attributions to Sapolsky in future printings of the book

(3) In addition to the aforementioned lawsuits, Chopra has sued several other critics in recent years. A 1996 article in The Weekly Standard published the claim of a prostitute that Chopra had patronized her in 1991. Chopra filed suit against The Weekly Standard after the prostitute retracted her assertion, leading the magazine to publish an apology and pay Chopra's estimated $1 million in legal fees (Newsweek, October 20, 1997, p. 56; Los Angeles Times, September 7, 1997). The law firm representing a former Chopra employee who accused Chopra of sexual harassment was also sued; this suit was recently dismissed with prejudice by a judge who called the suit "frivolous" .

Source (http://www.watchman.org/profile/choprapro.htm)

In general, those who perform such, I dunno, basically foolish, inhumane or meanspirited actions are beneath my notice. Such people are so deeply pathological as to be, IMHO, somehow less than human.

Them being beneath your notice, and somehow less than human, does not suggest that you are any better, right? Because there is no better or worse, we are all equal and other such nonsense, correct?

You dont even practice the bullshit you preach.

Believing an external force to have an internal effect is not a delusion of influence.

Delusions of influence defined for your dumb ass....look closely and you will notice the definition says the exact fucking opposite of what you shat in a diaper and posted:

Delusions of Influence:

Characterised by a belief that the sufferer's thoughts and actions are under external control. Includes ideas of:

thought insertion
thought withdrawal
thought broadcasting

As an example, one sufferer thought that the CIA was using a complex machine to project violent impulses into his brain. Commonest in schizophrenia.
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=delusions%20of%20influence

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What I find the funniest is that you posted your clearly and completely wrong concept of what delusions of influence is, and had the audacity to tell me to study.

You seem to be deluded, here.

Not delusions of influence, mind you, unless you feel maybe the devil is trying to get your soul by tempting you, or God is using you as an instrument for his work, or that God is simply calling you.

Because that shit IS delusion of influence AND is commonly associated as a symptom of schizophrenia*

*DISCLAIMER: To those too fucking stupid to realize...I am not saying all theists are schizo. Don't be this stupid. This has been a public service message.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Due to sharp time constraints, I do not always give the depth of time and thought that a reply merits. My gratitude to those who bring any lapses to my attention.

More than once--just as I hit "Enter"--I am struck by l'esprit de l'escalier (sp?)--too late.

BTW--down to four minutes left now.

Herein lies the difficulty in discussing God. "God is Spirit"(Gospel of John) Spirit = non-corporeal being or being without form i.e. formless. 'God is Formless', therefore any attempt to describe God is a futile attempt to give form to that which is formless - it cannot be done!

not neccecerally.

christianity is not the only religion which interprets god. look at vedic religion (hindu, sihk(sp) krsna concousnius).

Many times in vedic literature Krsna takes form and is incarnated in the material world, however his soul and form are one in the same (were as humans they are seperate), most well known as Lord Caytania(sp).

if you cant relate to this, just look at jesus.

in the holy trinity there is God, Jesus and the Holy spirit, jesus is part of this and he is considered God as he is the incarnaton of God.

in other word God takes form: Jesus.

although often there is never one stagnant or constant form

"sufferer's thoughts and actions are under external control."

If one does not suffer as a result of it, that is, if they do not display delusional actions, then one cannot justifiably say they are ill of the mind, as there is no deteriorating physical manifestations of what goes on in their mind.

I hear things like 'I love you', 'Give her a hug', 'Share some of your money with that homeless man', 'You wear few of your clothes, donate the old ones to a charity', etc. and so on. Yes, I believe absolutely that this voice is external, because my internal dialogue generally tends to tear me down as a person, only wants to fuck women, definitely doesn't want to share money, and definitely would rather sell my clothes via garage sale/thrift store than give them away. Characteristically, the delusion of influence is mistaking one's ego-driven internal dialogue as having an external cause. Being as this voice I hear never commands me to do anything wrong or selfish, it has no influence towards a characteristic display of inner madness. It does not make me paranoid, angry, fearful, worried, or anything of the like.

With no manifestation of illness, there is no illness. This is an absolutely necessary criteria for the diagnosis of any and all mental disorders: It has to manifest disorder in order to be a disorder. Just as cancer must be manifest in order to call an individual cancerous, so must disorder manifest in order to call an individual disordered.

Seriously, you need to study on what a mental disorder really is: It is not an anomaly of thought, perception, or personality. It is an anomaly of thought, perception, or personality that manifests in distress or destructive behaviors.

"sufferer's thoughts and actions are under external control."

If one does not suffer as a result of it, that is, if they do not display delusional actions, then one cannot justifiably say they are ill of the mind, as there is no deteriorating physical manifestations of what goes on in their mind.

You met God face to face didn't you? Why don't you bring this up in your next job interview?

Thats right. If you do, you will suffer from your delusions of influence. Be sure to hide your illness, to limit your suffering. Not quite the same as not suffering is it?

I hear things like 'I love you', 'Give her a hug', 'Share some of your money with that homeless man', 'You wear few of your clothes, donate the old ones to a charity', etc. and so on. Yes, I believe absolutely that this voice is external, because my internal dialogue generally tends to tear me down as a person, only wants to fuck women, definitely doesn't want to share money, and definitely would rather sell my clothes via garage sale/thrift store than give them away. Characteristically, the delusion of influence is mistaking one's ego-driven internal dialogue as having an external cause. Being as this voice I hear never commands me to do anything wrong or selfish, it has no influence towards a characteristic display of inner madness. It does not make me paranoid, angry, fearful, worried, or anything of the like.

So one voice in your head tells you to do good things, and the other bad things, as is defined by your religion? Tell me, the voice that tells you to do good things, does it come from your right shoulder, can you hear a harp and wings flapping? Does the other come from your left shoulder, and smell of brimstone?

Do you actually see the angel and demon on your shoulders or just hear them? Do you know their names? Do they talk to each other or do they use you to communicate, or is their no need to communicate?

No, no, your normal. No illness here, rapist. Moving on.

Seriously, you need to study on what a mental disorder really is: It is not an anomaly of thought, perception, or personality. It is an anomaly of thought, perception, or personality that manifests in distress or destructive behaviors.


Mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture.

Invisible beings suggesting things to you, is a disability that is not a part of normal development or culture. Meeting all powerful invisible creatures face to face, is not normal. It is not a part of normal development and is a disability, and can cause you distress, were you to tell everyone you meet the 'truth' as your delusioned, abnormal mind sees it.

Wrong. I am very open about what I've heard and seen, and it causes next to zero distress.

And no, BP, I only hear one voice, and it only tells me to do good things. The other thoughts are completely my own; they argue, analyze, support, deny, and so on: the normal functions of the inner dialogue.

If I tell someone that God told me to give them a hug, or share some of my money with them, or whatever it may be, they may very well think it is odd, even insane, that I claim to hear God. Nonetheless, I am doing things to help the world out in any capacity presented. It comes with great assurance that my life flourishes as a result of hearing this voice out.

Also, that's rather foolish to try discrediting me based on an action I openly confessed on here. Care to call me a liar, pedophile, thief, and murderer also? Maybe those manifestations of a twisted inner dialogue will help you discredit the Voice of God which has led me straight away from those paths and onto that of love and mercy?

"and is thought to cause distress or disability"

The thing is, it causes me to be able to relax and gives me the ability to live WITHOUT the fear of capture and retribution.

You can think it illness all you wish, but it is not.

And please, BP, if you are so free from twisted thinking, share with totse what your life is really like, and what inside of you brings about the conditions of your life.

Let us know how many friends you have, and how strong your friendships are. Let us know how fearless you are. Let us know how confident you are in facing the difficulties of life. Let us know how wonderful the bond between you and your parents is; and your siblings; and any children you may have. Let us know how full your life is; let us know of your relaxation and ability to hold true joy in life. Let us compare our minds and the fruits they bare in our lives to see who is truly sick.

You can't even sit still in silence and hold a genuine smile for 15 minutes.

People are funny--you say you talk to God (i.e., pray), they think you're pious--say that God answers you, they say you're nuts.

Some of us converse with various and sundry higher powers--devas, demons, power animals, familiars, Higher Selves,whatever you want to call them--and this raises the question once stated by Rocket J. Squirrel, thusly "Are they friendly spirits?"

There is a simple and infallable means of telling whether or not that voice in your head is God or , say, the ghost of Heinrich Himmler. God is love. Any message you get which is grounded in love and unity is from God or one of God's messengers.

Any message grounded in fear and separation is not. There are no other options--it has to be one of the other, this being one of the primal dualities of the universe.


you are correct good sir.
if anyone has Heinrich Himmler's voice in their head get to a doctor ASAP. trust me, it will turn out badly if you do not. lol