Ok, let's say, there's a person who has been good his entire life, not completely good, somewhat neutral in certain situations, but has a knack for having common sense with everything that comes his way, as well as a great intuition that has always led him to the perfect situation at the perfect time for something good to happen to him. He has MUCH self control, and all psychic abilities come to him naturally, rather it randomly happen, or the knowledge of learning it comes to him. (This could somewhat sound like what kind of person Jesus would be, if you don't believe in jesus, pretend you do in this hypothetical situation). So this guy also realizes about the Astral realm, meets different God's (trascended beings), etc.

Ok, now let's say there's a girl, who in every way has been evil, very intelligent, just like the guy, but evil. Now let's say this girl has multiple personalities she can control, through them she can harness great abilities by accessing her sub-conscious. Let's say the guy taught her these things, her whole life she wasn't able to control them though.

Now let's say that by 2012 both of them have their spirit take over their body, allowing full integration into the sub-conscious which would allow every psychic ability to be used at it's max.

I'm talking about everything, all forms of psychokinesis, and all forms of telepathy, precognition, energy manipulation, etc. All wrapped into one.

Then they fought over the golden gate bridge...


Who do you think would win? On top of that wouldn't both of these beings now be transcended beings (gods) so to speak?


Both of them very creative, intelligent, philisophical, and thoughtful.


Also how do you think the public would react to seeing something like that? or how would you react for that matter.

How could the one who was purely good bring himself to kill her, even if she was evil?

The Evil would win. She'd do something like hold the entire city hostage and force the Good one to surrender.

My reaction to it would be something along the lines of "Why is that guy fighting my ex-girlfriend?"

-NS

They'd be demi-gods, and Duncan MacLeod would take both their heads...there can be only one.

They'd probably see a jumper go off the side, get grossed out and go home.

Ok, consider the girl IS the guy's ex-back when they were normal, for some reason their relationship worked out for a year and 5 months.

I've discovered no, he can't kill her, but when he brings her to a certain state of weakness, he could probably remove all of her memories of learning psychic abilities, or even all the memories all the way back to when they were going out, which would just make her love him again.

Good idea or what?

The Evil would win.

This....

Good does not conquer evil.

For an excellent example of this, truly examine the entire world you live in. Examine it's history. Evil has and will rule this world.

T.V. and movies would have you believe otherwise. This is bullshit fantasy. Cobra should have nuked G.I. Joe. Gargamel would have used deadly pesticides to kill the smurfs. Dr. No would have shot Bond in his head without telling him his evil plan, instead of tieing him to a table with a timed laser.

Too hypothetical

Good and Evil are subjective.

Ok to make it real, I'm telling the honest truth here in a non-troll way since I've been signed up with totse for a trusted amount of years.

All this is real.

No pics, just trust me. Everything I said is real, except the spirit hasn't taken control yet-all that is supposed to happen in 2012, as far as learning psychic abilties, etc. It's all happened. She is my ex. I had a precognition of these things happening many times over.

So no, it's not too hypothetical.

Also just to let everyone know, I'm sane enough to be a psychiatrist myself.

I'm sane enough to be a psychiatrist myself.

Thats what all the crazies say. :p

Good and Evil are subjective.

Not completely subjective, there are elements of good and evil that are so common and pervasive to us all, they can almost be considered objective.

An example would be ...

An example would be ...

Killing infants. (not fetus, but infants)

Fucking your mother.

Raping 5 year olds.

Cannibalizing.


You know taboos that have existed as taboo in 95% of all culture and society since the beginnings of recorded history.

Not completely objective, I admit, but nowhere near the realm of subjectivity as say a person's favorite fucking color.

Killing infants. (not fetus, but infants)

Fucking your mother.

Raping 5 year olds.

Cannibalizing.

All subjective.

All subjective.

Can you be this dense? Is it deliberate?

Not completely subjective, there are elements of good and evil that are so common and pervasive to us all, they can almost be considered objective.

I provided you with the examples you asked for, with the explaination that these things are not objective, but they are also not nearly as subjective as a person's favorite color.

I think you understand what I am saying, but have your fingers in your ears as children are prone to do. Or perhaps you are a simpleton.

these things are not objective, but they are also not nearly as subjective as a person's favorite color.

Depends on which people you're talking about.

Depends on which people you're talking about.

You sound defeated, as you retreat further back into abstract thought, bullshit, and mystery. Good 'ol Obbe.

You sound defeated, as you retreat further back into abstract thought, bullshit, and mystery. Good 'ol Obbe.

At least I didn't mention that you cannot know that, either.

That would have warranted an angrier reaction.

At least I didn't mention that you cannot know that, either.

That would have warranted an angrier reaction.

Lol :D

Neither would win.... The Cosmic Balance demands , well, balance, and if this went out of line a new Champion Eternal would be chosen.

Why would either of them be stupid enough to fight?
Imagine the things they could achieve if only they worked together.

Why would good cooperate with evil?

I believe the "evil" one would win, since I believe evil comes with more force and raw power behind it, and will go to any lengths to meet its ends.

Also, yes they ARE subjective, and the examples given by BP are definitely not universal examples of evil.

not to mention, that the girl in this situation is supposed to represent pure evil, but the boy is just ... kinda neutral?

He's been 'pretty good'? Doesn't really seem like two opposing forces of nature to me.

The entire premise is so riddled with fallacies--not to say total nonsense--I was tempted to close the thread, or flush it into HB.

Since it has drawn a lot of intelligent response, I will let it stand.

(harrumphs, polishes scepter)

Why would good cooperate with evil?

I believe the "evil" one would win, since I believe evil comes with more force and raw power behind it, and will go to any lengths to meet its ends.

Also, yes they ARE subjective, and the examples given by BP are definitely not universal examples of evil.

More Info:

The girl wants power, for her, and only her, no one else. The boy thought of this earlier, and to him, he thought of the amazing possibilities they could both have together to help humanity, he saw her plan though simply through logic and understood.

There was no going around it. The girl wanted absalute power, even if it means killing many and her own former love to get that power.

And with what's said above in the quote. The girl has more raw power perhaps, but more chaotic, unable to focus or concentrate it as much as the boy. The boy has more of a serene calm to him, without anger, resentment, or other blinding emotions. The girl is dominated by them. This is her weakness. That is why what raw extreme power makes up for, is the balance of the boy having more focused, and controlled power.

They both have limitless potential however, and can go as far as their minds can take them.

The philisophy of the balance of good and evil have been around for a very very long time, and the yin yang developed out of it, if you were to notice other symbolism in it, what it could mean is, there is always alittle bit of good in evil, and always alittle bit of evil in good. This would be why he's more neutral, however she tends to keep her mind focused more in the dark.

It of course is possible that the fight would last an eternity, due to the simple nature of balance. In your own mind though, in your own conscious, who do you think would be the victor?

Compassion
or destruction?

Both using facades and illusions to trick one another in the fight, creating massive blasts of confounding energy manipulation through out the sky. Nearly tearing a fabric in space-time with so much manipulation of reality.

Who would be the victor in your own mind? Really think about it, analyze the situation, imagine the situation playing out before you.

Ok.

Either stop adding to the original idea or change the labels to ME and MY EX.

You're just making this a lot harder.

Ok.

Either stop adding to the original idea or change the labels to ME and MY EX.

You're just making this a lot harder.

In recent posts just before mine, even after I mentioned it was me, they still referred to it as girl, and boy. So I continued that way. Sorry, from now on I'll use me and my ex.

It's just that when you use girl/boy, it remains a hypothetical, and when you admit that you're talking about real people, the tone changes to a somewhat more serious one, if only because it seems to come out of the "fictional" realm and into the actual.

Not to say the answers given so far aren't serious.

lol please move to grandiose dellusions.

I'll be laughing my ass of when nothing happens in 2012.
Retarded newage hippie faggots.

I'll be laughing my ass of when nothing happens in 2012.
Retarded newage hippie faggots.

I'm sorry that you can't accept that science can not fully understand the brain, nor can science fully give concrete proof of reality even existing. Since it's all perception.

If your going to show this guy's immaturity, don't bother posting. Only post if you have an intelligent or philisophical answer.

So far no one has answered this question, between her and I, who do you think would win?

She would win, but you're both losers for believing in this crap.

I'm sorry that you can't accept that science can not fully understand the brain, nor can science fully give concrete proof of reality even existing. Since it's all perception.

If your going to show this guy's immaturity, don't bother posting. Only post if you have an intelligent or philisophical answer.

So far no one has answered this question, between her and I, who do you think would win?

Sorry to be the one to introduce you to reality. 1) You have no powers/psychic abilities. 2) You have never met any Gods or transcended beings. 3) Your ex girlfriend has no special powers/abilities either. 4) You are either lying, delusional, or a troll.

... there are elements of good and evil that are so common and pervasive to us all, they can almost be considered objective.

Hey, how come you didn't give any examples of what you consider to be objectively good, only what you consider to be objectively evil?

Sjet, lots of people have said evil would win.

Hey, how come you didn't give any examples of what you consider to be objectively good, only what you consider to be objectively evil?

Sjet, lots of people have said evil would win.

By the looks of it, you'd best thow in your shit with your ex, consensus is she's too powerful for you. Evil ain't that bad, and nothing lasts for ever, chances are that she'll be gone after a decade or so.

Besides which, I'm sure that there's gonna be a shit load of good and evil people when the time comes; you fail and someone else'll suceed.

So don't worry, it'll all work out.

I'm not the OP, Sjet is.

I'm not the OP, Sjet is.

Yeah, I know, I was just using the last part of your reply as context to my reply.

Sjet, why do you want our opinion?

Hey, how come you didn't give any examples of what you consider to be objectively good, only what you consider to be objectively evil?

Sjet, lots of people have said evil would win.

Well, if you contend that not cannibalizing, killing infants and fucking your mother ARE very close to being objective, then the opposite of those things would by all rights be considered good.

Well, if you contend that not cannibalizing, killing infants and fucking your mother ARE very close to being objective, then the opposite of those things would by all rights be considered good.

Do cannibalizing, killing infants and motherfucking have opposites?

Since you do believe they are so close to being objectively evil, what would you say these opposites are?

Do cannibalizing, killing infants and motherfucking have opposites?

Since you do believe they are so close to being objectively evil, what would you say these opposites are?

Not cannibalizing, not killing infants and not fucking your mother.

I see how I wrote it. I meant that not doing those things would have to be considered good.

I see how I wrote it. I meant that not doing those things would have to be considered good.

Oh, not doing those things.

So 'doing nothing' is good?

Oh, not doing those things.

So 'doing nothing' is good?

NO.

Not doing those things can be considered good.

Nice that you would try to extrapolate what I said to everything, but incorrect, and I think you knew that when you typed it.

Not doing those things can be considered good.

Right, and by just sitting here, I am not doing any of those things.

Am I automatically good?

Right, and by just sitting here, I am not doing any of those things.

Am I automatically good?

As opposed to someone killing an infant right now, yes.

As opposed to someone killing an infant right now, yes.

But why would there ever have to be someones evil act to compare it to? You claim its good, all on its own, to just sit and not participate.

But why would there ever have to be someones evil act to compare it to? You claim its good, all on its own, to just sit and not participate.

Because you cannot have good without evil. You cannot have evil without good. They depend upon one another. It is a symbiotic relationship.


But look, this thread suggest two opposing forces.

One full of kindness and love, the other full of loathing, contempt and hate.

It seems pretty obvious which one gets the label of good and which one evil, and why. I do agree that good and evil are very subjective, but somethings are less subjective. It is not black and white (imo) when it comes to objectivity vs. subjectivity.

Because you cannot have good without evil. You cannot have evil without good. They depend upon one another. It is a symbiotic relationship.

But wait, you don't have to compare what you consider to be objectively evil to anything for them to become evil?

They just "are evil"?

But wait, you don't have to compare what you consider to be objectively evil to anything for them to become evil?

They just "are evil"?

I can compare it to not cannibalizing, not murdering babies and such.

Are you trying to suggest good can exist without evil or vise versa?

I can compare it to not cannibalizing, not murdering babies and such.

Are you trying to suggest good can exist without evil or vise versa?

Rather it be evil or not, one must have a opposite reaction. As in killing and infant would have the opposite which is not killing an infant. You can label either as bad or good. In this case, I don't think any of you (except for people who want population control) would consider killing an infant a good thing.


Also, in reply to an earlier post, I asked YOU people, because I wanted your opinions. I know fully my own, but I wanted to see how the public would respond to such an event, as well as which one do you think would win in your personal opinion out of curiosity.

Also, Why do you think that evil would prevail? can things not be used against it? such as her own pride? her own ego? I believe she'd underestimate me.

Also, Why do you think that evil would prevail? can things not be used against it? such as her own pride? her own ego? I believe she'd underestimate me.

Being evil does not mean she has to be prideful, foolish, or egotistical.

Being good by contrast DOES mean he would have to protect the innocent, etc.

Are you trying to suggest good can exist without evil or vise versa?

No, I am trying to suggest that they only exist subjectively.

Sjet, I believe that in this hypothetical situation if you were truly opposites, then neither of you could win.

Being evil does not mean she has to be prideful, foolish, or egotistical.

Being good by contrast DOES mean he would have to protect the innocent, etc.

Actually your right, she wouldn't have to have egotism or prideful foolishness.
As well as of course I'd help the innocent, but my primary objective would be to get us to a different location-such as one far far away from the public. While her, seeing that weakness, would attempt to keep it at the golden gate bridge-or a highly populated area.

If fighting is considered evil, you would forever be avoiding doing harm to her while preventing her from doing harm to you.

If fighting is considered neutral, and you are both equally and oppositely powerful, I believe nether could win.

No, I am trying to suggest that they only exist subjectively.

As much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with Obbe. Good and evil are entirely subjective. That which is considered good under normal circumstances might be considered evil in an abnormal circumstance. The reverse is also true.

Sjet, I believe that in this hypothetical situation if you were truly opposites, then neither of you could win.

On an individual basis, *evil* will kick the ass of *good* every time simply because being *good* limits what one is allowed to do in order to win. The saying "what goes around, comes around" is a myth. The bad guys can and do often win.

On an individual basis, *evil* will kick the ass of *good* every time simply because being *good* limits what one is allowed to do in order to win.

Perhaps in this abnormal situation (pure 'good' vs. pure 'evil'), there would be no interactions that could be considered either good or evil?

Perhaps in this abnormal situation (pure 'good' vs. pure 'evil'), there would be no interactions that could be considered either good or evil?


Defining the opposing forces as 'pure good' and 'pure evil' eliminates such a possibility. A being of 'pure evil' is incapable of doing 'good' . A being of 'pure good' can do no 'evil'.

The only abnormal part of this situation is that the OP believes it to be true and real. What is referred to as 'good' and 'evil' by the OP in this thread have already been described and fit the normally accepted definitions.

Thusly, evil would prevail.

So far no one has answered this question, between her and I, who do you think would win?
You would. Raw power does not make up for a lack of focus, calm, and control. I envision waves of anger washing over a cool, smooth rock; powerful, no doubt, but as they subside they slide off the rock's calm strength. The problem with those commonly defined as "evil" is overreaching - from Hitler to serial killers, they are never able to give themselves boundaries and fail without exception. Well, depending on your definition of fail. Never wholly succeed, at least.

The only truly boundless force is stupidity. :p

On an individual basis, *evil* will kick the ass of *good* every time simply because being *good* limits what one is allowed to do in order to win. The saying "what goes around, comes around" is a myth. The bad guys can and do often win.

Defining the opposing forces as 'pure good' and 'pure evil' eliminates such a possibility. A being of 'pure evil' is incapable of doing 'good' . A being of 'pure good' can do no 'evil'.
Oh ho! :) Looks like they are both limited, no? If the good guy can only do actions that are pure good, the evil girl can only do actions that are pure evil. Each path is pretty narrow, I'd think.

That response was actually aimed at Obbe, as he was the one who brought up "pure evil' and 'pure good'. The OP didn't make such qualifications.

That response was actually aimed at Obbe, as he was the one who brought up "pure evil' and 'pure good'. The OP didn't make such qualifications.

Although if good and evil were to remain subjective, who gets labeled 'good' or 'evil' would remain entirely up to the observer of the fight.

If we were never told who was the good one, and who was the evil one, would it be possible to label one as good and one as evil in an extremely powerful battle?

All their actions would be subjective.

The observer could only determine which one was good/evil (based on his perception of what constitutes good/evil) by the methodology used by the combatants. If one combatant were to disregard the safety of or to endanger innocent bystanders, he/she would be considered evil by the majority of observers, while the combatant who made every effort to prevent harm to innocents would be considered good.

I wonder if this fight itself would be considered good or evil.

That is what I am saying....evil wins....television lied to us.

Gargamale would have used crop dusters to gas the smurfs, and then just followed the stench of decomposoing smurf corpses to their secret village.

Cobra would have detonated a nuclear warhead or two near the Joe base.

Old man Withers of the haunted amusement park would have used a double barrel shotgun on Scoob and the gang.

I wonder if this fight itself would be considered good or evil.

Considering one side would be fighitng for humanity, and the other their own self greed of power?

It would be a "good" fight considering there's someone fighting for the people.

However bad, since someone is there that wants to control them.

So it's just a fight, there is no good or bad fight.

I don't subscribe to such dualistic notions.

And this thread reeks of dualism/grandiose delusions.

its hb material..

So...Sjet.
do you actually beleive in these things.
that you have "mental powers" and that you are some divine force of good?

and you have to fight your (psycic) ex girlfirend. on the golden gate bridge no less.. becuase you saw it in a ..vision?

Is this some idea for a movie or are you Autistic.
I can't tell.

if this was a story tho, which I would love for it to be., the good character could never win, since you define him as "super good" he would never be able to fully stop the girl character.
anything done to harm her would be considerd bad (at least by an outside besrever,[perception is everything])

Can you please tell me what the hell is going on.

I'm pretty sure I know the evil one personally. You got the sex wrong, he's male. He is brilliant and creative, and intensely evil. His favorite activity, bar none, is sowing distrust and dischord among friends. Anything else very quickly becomes boring to him. I say we band together and take him out before his apotheosis.

This is the weirdest thread ever... Do you or your girl have your paranormal abilities yet? If so, pleeeease show them to us. Go on tv and move a rock with your brain or something.

I enjoyed this thread.

Also, it seems to me that it wouldn't matter who wins. Give someone with human emotions godlike powers and that person is going to let it get to their head. Insanity follows.

They'd be demi-gods, and Duncan MacLeod would take both their heads...there can be only one.

Highlander!!!!

I enjoyed this thread.

Also, it seems to me that it wouldn't matter who wins. Give someone with human emotions godlike powers and that person is going to let it get to their head. Insanity follows.

Insanity follows when chaos ensues, however meditation would be the key to enlightenment.

Meditation is capable of curing any insanity... Even hers.

For some reason though, I taught her how to meditate, and it's causing her to be able to control her multiple personalities, and some of these personalities seem to be able to access sub-concious parts of her mind. It only fuels her abilities more.

There will be a time when meditation will no longer help her though.

There is only one, with her there are many.

Don't you see the incredible philosophies portrayed in our lives?

I mean for god's sake... My belief is that all is one, that peace, harmony, and meditation is the key to a higher self.

With her-designated as chaotic, and evil, (maybe evil only in my perception), meditation causes one to become many, disillusioned to direct communication with oneself, never able to reach that point of a single source, instead only many sources, spread out.


Her and I seem to not only be real, but perfect examples of a great philisophy of duality.


This is real, but does it matter to those who don't believe in this when it's bringing such a discussion to us?

Insanity follows when chaos ensues, however meditation would be the key to enlightenment.

Meditation is capable of curing any insanity... Even hers.

For some reason though, I taught her how to meditate, and it's causing her to be able to control her multiple personalities, and some of these personalities seem to be able to access sub-concious parts of her mind. It only fuels her abilities more.

There will be a time when meditation will no longer help her though.

There is only one, with her there are many.

Don't you see the incredible philosophies portrayed in our lives?

I mean for god's sake... My belief is that all is one, that peace, harmony, and meditation is the key to a higher self.

With her-designated as chaotic, and evil, (maybe evil only in my perception), meditation causes one to become many, disillusioned to direct communication with oneself, never able to reach that point of a single source, instead only many sources, spread out.


Her and I seem to not only be real, but perfect examples of a great philisophy of duality.


This is real, but does it matter to those who don't believe in this when it's bringing such a discussion to us?

dude, just because you think you're both demi gods, doesn't necessarily mean you are.

please tell me about how this whole thing works, I used to be like you.

Insanity follows when chaos ensues, however meditation would be the key to enlightenment.

Meditation is capable of curing any insanity... Even hers.

For some reason though, I taught her how to meditate, and it's causing her to be able to control her multiple personalities, and some of these personalities seem to be able to access sub-concious parts of her mind. It only fuels her abilities more.

There will be a time when meditation will no longer help her though.

There is only one, with her there are many.

Don't you see the incredible philosophies portrayed in our lives?

I mean for god's sake... My belief is that all is one, that peace, harmony, and meditation is the key to a higher self.

With her-designated as chaotic, and evil, (maybe evil only in my perception), meditation causes one to become many, disillusioned to direct communication with oneself, never able to reach that point of a single source, instead only many sources, spread out.


Her and I seem to not only be real, but perfect examples of a great philisophy of duality.


This is real, but does it matter to those who don't believe in this when it's bringing such a discussion to us?
You've made it clear that you're human, my man. This does not bode well for the rest of us.

You've made it clear that you're human, my man. This does not bode well for the rest of us.

So me being human is bad for you? Humans are capable of extraordinary feats. I have learned in the past how to move things with my mind, and just out of natural causes from that, I began to be able to determine what's going to happen in the future within the next 3 seconds (working it's way up after a while).

There's so much to the human brain that is still not understood. It's one of the most complex devices on this planet. For all of those who honestly disbelieve psychic abilities-then go learn them yourself, prove them to yourself. Look at space and you'll find things out there that people can't even begin to comprehend.

Black holes, wormholes, dark matter, anti-matter. Think about what reality is made of, and then think of quantum physics, how our very vision directs physics.

When you really think about all of that, the idea that a unbelievably advanced biological device, our brain that we barely understand, to think that it's incapable of moving a object by thought is now sounding weird.

In this world I can gurentee you there's things that would put you in awe at wonderment, don't think that the human race has it's science down pat and knows everything, the universe, reality, and the mind are all still advanced, ancient machines, being seen through a child's eye. To begin to comprehend is incomprehensible.

Being human is very short of being a god, when you can control your own heartbeat by a thought, or feel ESP, then you can say being human does not bode well if that's still your belief.

So me being human is bad for you? Humans are capable of extraordinary feats. I have learned in the past how to move things with my mind, and just out of natural causes from that, I began to be able to determine what's going to happen in the future within the next 3 seconds (working it's way up after a while).

There's so much to the human brain that is still not understood. It's one of the most complex devices on this planet. For all of those who honestly disbelieve psychic abilities-then go learn them yourself, prove them to yourself. Look at space and you'll find things out there that people can't even begin to comprehend.

Black holes, wormholes, dark matter, anti-matter. Think about what reality is made of, and then think of quantum physics, how our very vision directs physics.

When you really think about all of that, the idea that a unbelievably advanced biological device, our brain that we barely understand, to think that it's incapable of moving a object by thought is now sounding weird.

In this world I can gurentee you there's things that would put you in awe at wonderment, don't think that the human race has it's science down pat and knows everything, the universe, reality, and the mind are all still advanced, ancient machines, being seen through a child's eye. To begin to comprehend is incomprehensible.

Being human is very short of being a god, when you can control your own heartbeat by a thought, or feel ESP, then you can say being human does not bode well if that's still your belief.
I'm going to treat this thread as if you do have the abilities you claim.

And you say that anyone can achieve these things. Well, that may be true, but I don't think many other people HAVE achieved it yet.

A human with powers greater than 99.9% of the rest of humanity is a threat to that majority. Period.

hypotheticals are for day dreamers whose concsiousness is horribly asleep

they go against every fundamental of true reality

there are no losses, no wins, no good, no evil, no self, no other

or feel ESP,

What the hell does ESP feel like?

silky smooth?

What the hell does ESP feel like?

silky smooth?

lmao I saw zohan too...

No actually it's a kind of indescribable feeling of being aware of everything around you without having to see it, etc.

As in I'm sure you've gotten the feeling when someone walks in the same room as you, yet you didn't hear it, or see it, yet you got a tingling sensation letting you know.


This is much more then a tingling feeling, but I can't describe it, it's like trying to describe love to someone who's never loved.