View Full Version : Should I go to Ireland, Britain, Australia, or NZ?
DerDrache
2008-03-17, 21:01
I'm starting to look for summer jobs, and I'm thinking about one of these places. I've been to England before (London), but never to Ireland or Scotland or Wales. I've also never been anywhere near Australia or NZ. I'd prefer somewhere warm and with beaches, so down under would be a good choice for that obviously. What's life like in Australia or New Zealand? The people?
How do Ireland and Scotland compare with England?
Lastly: How are blacks treated in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, and NZ?
infrarednigga89
2008-03-17, 21:04
Never been to Aus or NZ but have been to England. London is a nice place and they're generally freindly towards black people (so many black people in London lol).
DerDrache
2008-03-17, 21:06
Never been to Aus or NZ but have been to England. London is a nice place and they're generally freindly towards black people (so many black people in London lol).
Yeah, all of the English people I met (from London and I know a handful of people from Leeds) were extremely cool.
I'm not TOO worried about racism, since there's a shitload in America, but still...it's a consideration.
whocares123
2008-03-17, 21:12
go to australia. just have your parents pay for my expenses and i'll go with you. you will be paid back in love.
static_void
2008-03-17, 21:14
You will be a bit out of place in Ireland as a black man. Then again, they're getting a shitload of immigrants (lots of Eastern Europeans, espicially Polish, as well as Turks, Arabs...), so that attitude has changed. Hell, they say in a matter of a decade or three ethnic Irish people will be the minority in Ireland.
England is probably your best bet. Though Wales does have a unique charm to it. From what I understand, New Zealand is really tolerant, while Australia not quite as much. I might be kind of biased, as I'm really quite disinterested in all of Oceania... New Zealand is lovely though; a lot like BC.
Though the whole tolerance thing is kind of a non-issue, it's fucking 2008. The worst thing might be a dirty glare from some old person.
If I were you, I'd go to England to work (which I will be doing in 2009). I considered all the other places you're considering, England seems to come up tops.
Definitely take the time to check out Wales, Scotland, and Ireland while you're there though! TIP: Ryanair.
DerDrache
2008-03-17, 21:15
go to australia. just have your parents pay for my expenses and i'll go with you. you will be paid back in love.
This one organization, BUNAC, they get you work visas for up to 6 months. Costs like 300-500 bucks, depending on where you want the visa for, and you can get any job, and you get paid the same wages as citizens. You gotta find a job, but there's lot of places you can look.
You will be a bit out of place in Ireland as a black man. Then again, they're getting a shitload of immigrants (lots of Eastern Europeans, espicially Polish, Turks, Arabs...), so that attitude has changed. England is probably your best bet. Though Wales does have a unique charm to it. From what I understand, New Zealand is really tolerant, while Australia not quite as much. I might be kind of biased, as I'm really quite disinterested in all of Oceania... New Zealand is lovely though; a lot like BC.
Though the whole tolerance thing is kind of a non-issue, it's fucking 2008. So if I were you, I'd go to England to work (which I will be doing in 2009).
Definitely take the time to check out Wales, Scotland, and Ireland while you're there though! TIP: Ryanair.
Any idea what you'll be doing in England? I suppose I could probably get work really easily at a hostel...a French friend of mine called this hostel, asked if they were hiring, packed his things and worked in London for two months without any hassle. But hostels have shitty pay, and most of the people working there are doing it to improve their English. I can do better.
SmackNixon
2008-03-17, 21:19
Lastly: How are blacks treated in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, and NZ?
I wouldn't advise moving to Ireland as a black man. You could probably get sorted out in the cities well enough, but Ireland is a rural white nation and in that, you may have some issue there. Most of the non-whites who are living in Ireland are a bunch of worthless criminal fecks or refugees who shouldn't have been allowed to come in the first place. Not a great situation for you to find yourself in.
The UK is somewhat similar in the rural areas, but has more large cities where you can blend in and find black communities. Ireland and the UK are both cold, windy, and rainy and the English are a bunch of cunts anyway.
Australia and New Zealand have proven track records for their treatment and views of black people.
They're all so tame, anyway, and every asshole with a trust fund hangs out in those countries. Why not go somewhere unique? How old are you and what sort of work are you qualified to do? What kind of experience do you have? If you'd have any interest in Africa, I've got connections with the UN in Namibia. It's hard work, though.
DerDrache
2008-03-17, 21:25
I wouldn't advise moving to Ireland as a black man. You could probably get sorted out in the cities well enough, but Ireland is a rural white nation and in that, you may have some issue there. Most of the non-whites who are living in Ireland are a bunch of worthless criminal fecks or refugees who shouldn't have been allowed to come in the first place. Not a great situation for you to find yourself in.
The UK is somewhat similar in the rural areas, but has more large cities where you can blend in and find black communities. Ireland and the UK are both cold, windy, and rainy and the English are a bunch of cunts anyway.
Australia and New Zealand have proven track records for their treatment and views of black people.
They're all so tame, anyway, and every asshole with a trust fund hangs out in those countries. Why not go somewhere unique? How old are you and what sort of work are you qualified to do? What kind of experience do you have? If you'd have any interest in Africa, I've got connections with the UN in Namibia. It's hard work, though.
I've got some solid experience as an English-language teacher, and worked a bit in a medical practice (as an assistant, I mean.)
Fuck Namibia though. I'd probably be doing AIDS work or some bullshit.
static_void
2008-03-17, 21:47
Any idea what you'll be doing in England? I suppose I could probably get work really easily at a hostel...a French friend of mine called this hostel, asked if they were hiring, packed his things and worked in London for two months without any hassle. But hostels have shitty pay, and most of the people working there are doing it to improve their English. I can do better.
Yeah, I thought about hostel work... I'll most likely be bartending or cooking in either Leeds or London. Knowing how to cook or serve drinks are very good skills if you're going abroad, that's for sure.
DerDrache
2008-03-17, 21:55
Yeah, I thought about hostel work... I'll most likely be bartending or cooking in either Leeds or London. Knowing how to cook or serve drinks are very good skills if you're going abroad, that's for sure.
I actually took a bar service course recently. I'm trying to get a job where I am right now, but have been too busy lately. If I can get some actual experience under my belt, you're right...it'd be a great thing to have.
At some point in my life, I want to find myself in a new city, walk into a bar, and just get a job right then and there.
mario_luigi_peach
2008-03-17, 23:56
Australia seems to be a favourite for young adults to come and work. Like somone said above, the worst type of racism you might get is a few stares if you are in a place with few black people, or if you get on the wrong side of somone, they might try and insult you with racist comments. There is no real racism community or anythign in Australia, but like all countries, it depends on where you go in the country.
Unless you are like a fresh immigrant from the depths of Africa, with little english spoken, I doubt you will have any problems. People actually seem to take a liking to blacks who are already accustomed to the western culture.
Fukken niggers in my Australia. Hate them so much. No joke, no trolling, sirius bizinezz.
SmackNixon
2008-03-18, 12:19
Fukken niggers in my Australia. Hate them so much. No joke, no trolling, sirius bizinezz.
This is why Australia is shit. Nearly all of them are fucking retarded like Zeekz here. Too much kangaroo sperm in the diet, I'd wager.
This is why Australia is shit. Nearly all of them are fucking retarded like Zeekz here. Too much kangaroo sperm in the diet, I'd wager.
No we are just more intelligent than our non-evolved similar counterparts that seem to wear clothes that are ten times too big, talk loud let alone when they do talk its with the intelligence of a SEEKZ YEAAAR AWLD DAWG... and reek odors that are utterly unfriendly to the most innocent senses.
You failed hard SmackNixon, but I love joo.
DerDrache
2008-03-18, 15:26
No we are just more intelligent than our non-evolved similar counterparts that seem to wear clothes that are ten times too big, talk loud let alone when they do talk its with the intelligence of a SEEKZ YEAAAR AWLD DAWG... and reek odors that are utterly unfriendly to the most innocent senses.
You failed hard SmackNixon, but I love joo.
Australia was originally a colony of Britain's criminals. So, since you're great grandparents were quite possibly a bunch of murderers, thieves, and scum of a country, I guess by your logic that would make your family a bunch of "non-evolved" pieces of shit.
Has it occurred to you (in your intelligent, evolved brain) that SOME blacks have a cultural and societal problem, with nothing inherently related to their race?
Satans Handicapped Helper
2008-03-18, 17:51
Ireland has just as much racism as any other country. I can't walk down the street without seeing a fat black woman with 5 of her kids. Fact is, people are use to seeing blacks and won't give a fuck at this point. But we do like our niggers jokes. To be honest I couldn't recommend the cities like Dublin, Cork and Limerick (Stab city) for a black man.
I'd go to Wexford, Waterford, Carlow or Kildare.
whocares123
2008-03-18, 18:28
rofl, half the threads derdrache posts in turn into race debates.
Chris_533976
2008-03-20, 18:41
TBH I really wouldnt be bothered with Ireland, its terribly overrated.
Go to Australia/NZ instead. I know piles of people who go for holiday/summer work and dont come back.
In a good way too, they just love it and stay there.
Galbador
2008-03-20, 19:01
Come to London, I can hook you up with a job and a place to stay.
In England I very much doubt you'll encounter racism. I know I'm racist towards you on here, but that's for lulz, the UK is nowhere near as racist to black people as the USA is.
whocares123
2008-03-20, 19:38
In England I very much doubt you'll encounter racism. I know I'm racist towards you on here, but that's for lulz, the UK is nowhere near as racist to black people as the USA is.
uh, i don't know what you think things are like in the US, but people aren't really that racist. those that are keep it to themselves or only talk about it on totse.
DerDrache
2008-03-20, 19:43
uh, i don't know what you think things are like in the US, but people aren't really that racist. those that are keep it to themselves or only talk about it on totse.
MSN.
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Yeah, I guess I'm not really too worried in any case. There are a shitload of skinheads in the US, but I"ve never encountered any. I just like to get an idea of if a foreign place is going to be generally friendly and what not.
To be honest, I'd be more weary of going to Africa, given all the AIDS and just the generally high crime-rate in certain cities.
uh, i don't know what you think things are like in the US, but people aren't really that racist. those that are keep it to themselves or only talk about it on totse.
The Deep South is still very racist.
whocares123
2008-03-20, 22:06
The Deep South is still very racist.
you've been there? seen it firsthand?
i don't know what you mean by "very racist." it's likely there's a good chunk, probably not even majority, of white people living in the south who have racist ideas, but that doesn't mean they go around lynching blacks or refusing to serve them in their restaurants. it's not the fucking 1960s. people recognize that shit isn't accepted anymore, and they're usually pretty quiet about it.
i think you're just a brit who has a warped, biased view of the US.
it's not the fucking 1960s.
That's the point. It shouldn't have to be the fuckin' 60s.
Racism should have ended a fucking long time ago, and for the USA, a free country, where freedom is promised, and only 40 years ago a good portion of their citizens were only granted the same rights as the white people.
whocares123
2008-03-22, 03:48
That's the point. It shouldn't have to be the fuckin' 60s.
Racism should have ended a fucking long time ago, and for the USA, a free country, where freedom is promised, and only 40 years ago a good portion of their citizens were only granted the same rights as the white people.
the point is, today things are much different. a lot has changed in 40 years and i really don't think the UK is any less racist than the US, if phrasing it like that makes any sense.
DerDrache
2008-03-22, 17:04
the point is, today things are much different. a lot has changed in 40 years and i really don't think the UK is any less racist than the US, if phrasing it like that makes any sense.
For the record, I'd say the US has a bigger problem with racism. Why? Well, many blacks here are part of the uneducated, lower class responsible for a lot of crime. Same with hispanics as you head West. Those type of demographics will naturally lead to more racists.
Plus, American culture in general has a lot of discretely racist views, the most common being that people can "act black/white" (this is used by both blacks and whites, unfortunately).
As for the UK...well, I think they have less problems perpetuated by a black people (and thus much less racism towards them), but it's my understanding that Pakistani immigrants are considered a problem. I'd basically say that the British can and sometimes do have the same racist mindsets (just look at a lot of the posts you see on Totse), but the biggest matter is whether people actually engage in racially-motivated crime or discrimination there on a large scale.
I know for a fact there have been tons of hate crimes in the US. Some black kid got beaten to death by white kids a couple miles from where I lived a few years ago. I'm sure you remember that guy in Texas who was dragged behind a truck and dismembered, right? The black girl that hit a security guard at her school in the south and got 20 years in prison (later lifted, after she had served 2 years, I believe)?
So...I'm not saying the British aren't capable of the same things, but they simply aren't the ones that are doing that stuff in this day and age.
Satans Handicapped Helper
2008-03-22, 19:29
Yeah but niggers smell.
As for the UK...well, I think they have less problems perpetuated by a black people (and thus much less racism towards them), but it's my understanding that Pakistani immigrants are considered a problem. I'd basically say that the British can and sometimes do have the same racist mindsets
I honestly don't think we do.
I've never met anyone that is truly racist, and whilst we do consider the pakis a problem, there's only a very very small minority who would engage in race motivated attacks, and we'd certainly never give them less rights. If anything they are better protected by the law.
whocares123
2008-03-23, 04:20
while i'm not disagreeing with what derdrache said, i just think people keep their racism to themselves these days. i don't think a black person visiting the US, for instance, would have to feel unsafe or threatened, even in the south. things only happen when the political correctness gets out of hand, or tensions on both sides build up because of prior history.
reject, if you were black and planning on vacationing in the southern US, i don't think you'd have anything to worry about. anywhere else in the US, i'd say you DEFINITELY have nothing to worry about.
reject, if you were black and planning on vacationing in the southern US, i don't think you'd have anything to worry about. anywhere else in the US, i'd say you DEFINITELY have nothing to worry about.
I'd have no problem going to New York, but if I were black, I'd be VERY wary about going to Alabama.
whocares123
2008-03-23, 19:38
I'd have no problem going to New York, but if I were black, I'd be VERY wary about going to Alabama.
then your view of alabama is wrong.
DerDrache
2008-03-23, 19:41
then your view of alabama is wrong.
Because you've been there?
Seriously, Alabama has to be in like...the top 3 of most racist places on the planet.
whocares123
2008-03-23, 20:03
Because you've been there?
Seriously, Alabama has to be in like...the top 3 of most racist places on the planet.
because you've been there?
what reject is implying though is ridiculous. as if an african american visiting alabama would actually feel threatened? scared? uncomfortable? reject, what do you think would happen to you? white people calling you nigger and running you out of their town and various tourist attractions where you've come to spend money? maybe waking up and finding a noose on your hotel room door, just because you're black? getting lynched?
that shit does not happen in this day and age. you may have heard some stories that pop up here and there but they are very rare, probably occur just as frequently in the UK, and are nothing to be concerned about.
and derdrache don't even say you'd feel uncomfortable taking a trip to alabama, louisiana, mississippi, georgia, arkansas, the carolinas, virginia, tennessee, kentucky, texas, or florida. you know that's bullshit.
DerDrache
2008-03-23, 21:30
because you've been there?
what reject is implying though is ridiculous. as if an african american visiting alabama would actually feel threatened? scared? uncomfortable? reject, what do you think would happen to you? white people calling you nigger and running you out of their town and various tourist attractions where you've come to spend money? maybe waking up and finding a noose on your hotel room door, just because you're black? getting lynched?
that shit does not happen in this day and age. you may have heard some stories that pop up here and there but they are very rare, probably occur just as frequently in the UK, and are nothing to be concerned about.
and derdrache don't even say you'd feel uncomfortable taking a trip to alabama, louisiana, mississippi, georgia, arkansas, the carolinas, virginia, tennessee, kentucky, texas, or florida. you know that's bullshit.
I've been to most of those places you listed, but Alabama is reputed as being the worst. I would feel very threatened there. More so than if I were in some all-white Eastern European country.
Seriously, you haven't heard of Alabama's reputation? REALLY?
Admittedly, I don't know if all of it's true, or if it's technically more racist than some other southern states, but a reputation is what it is.
Exactly, it's reputation that matters.
Fuck, being a middle class white, not for SHIT would I walk through Harlem, hell, I wouldn't even walk through Brixton in London by myself.
Satans Handicapped Helper
2008-03-23, 23:11
It must really suck being afraid of places in your own country. There isn't a single place in Ireland I'm afraid to go, and that includes the North.
whocares123
2008-03-24, 08:35
I've been to most of those places you listed, but Alabama is reputed as being the worst. I would feel very threatened there. More so than if I were in some all-white Eastern European country.
Seriously, you haven't heard of Alabama's reputation? REALLY?
Admittedly, I don't know if all of it's true, or if it's technically more racist than some other southern states, but a reputation is what it is.
sorry, i don't believe in hearsay and bullshit. and the more reject talks, the more he sounds like he not only has the wrong idea about the southern US, but he also sounds like a pussy. i realize alabama was a place one time not too long ago, where blacks might feel threatened, but today? that's just fucking ridiculous.
a quarter of the people who live in alabama are black. that's a pretty sizable minority, more so than many northern states.
whocares123
2008-03-24, 08:37
It must really suck being afraid of places in your own country. There isn't a single place in Ireland I'm afraid to go, and that includes the North.
the only places i would be afraid of going in the US would be some inner city neighborhoods in really big cities where crime rates are high. and when i say go, i mean be there for an extended amount of time, possibly stranded. driving through would not be a problem.
but he also sounds like a pussy
I can guarantee you would not walk through Brixton by yourself at night.
SmackNixon
2008-03-24, 16:07
There isn't a single place in Ireland I'm afraid to go, and that includes the North.
True for the most part, but there are definitely parts of Dublin and Limerick I don't wander around in after dark. :)
Kon-Foozed
2008-03-24, 17:10
London is not a very good representative of the whole of england imo, but I'd say it's your best bet.
Depends where you're going, a total rural area or a big city (or if you plan on going to london :eek:) I don't really like London to live in, it's nice to visit, but it's very expensive and very crowded.
Satans Handicapped Helper
2008-03-25, 02:28
True for the most part, but there are definitely parts of Dublin and Limerick I don't wander around in after dark. :)
Where abouts are you from? That could have something to do with it.
whocares123
2008-03-25, 02:41
I can guarantee you would not walk through Brixton by yourself at night.
well you're probably right, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't visit london on vacation. you're condemning a whole region half the size of europe or whatever. there's a difference between that and one bad neighborhood at night. i'm sure there are some ghetto black neighborhoods whites would feel uncomfortable in in atlanta, montgomery, alabama, new orleans, little rock, arkansas, charlotte...etc.
Gold n Green
2008-03-25, 06:22
Australia is pretty racist. If you come to Sydney and want to hang out with black people or are sick of the racism, go to a place called Blacktown, it's where all the blacks are.
Honest to God, no word of a lie. Blacktown.
DerDrache
2008-03-25, 15:39
Australia is pretty racist. If you come to Sydney and want to hang out with black people or are sick of the racism, go to a place called Blacktown, it's where all the blacks are.
Honest to God, no word of a lie. Blacktown.
Lawl. I hear the Australians are pretty straightforward with their naming. I can't think of any examples at the moment, but basically I recall there being a place named like..."Big Lake", and it was just a big lake. Or Big Hill, and it was a big fucking hill.
Lawl. I hear the Australians are pretty straightforward with their naming. I can't think of any examples at the moment, but basically I recall there being a place named like..."Big Lake", and it was just a big lake. Or Big Hill, and it was a big fucking hill.
Probably.
Criminals aren't the most intelligent people ever.
whocares123
2008-03-26, 15:01
Probably.
Criminals aren't the most intelligent people ever.
you going to nail down every former british controlled country then?
india next?
DerDrache
2008-03-26, 16:55
you going to nail down every former british controlled country then?
india next?
Shut the fuck up.
whocares123
2008-03-26, 18:26
Shut the fuck up.
reject is obviously a biased, nationalist brit.
i don't think it really fucking matters where you go. any one of those countries would be fine. you know where you'll find persecution against blacks? fucking africa. see sudan for details.
idiots.
Satanz Handicapped Helper
2008-03-26, 22:22
reject most likely likes Ireland. Because Ireland rocks. Ireland baby :cool:
Merdinus
2008-03-31, 05:17
I'm starting to look for summer jobs, and I'm thinking about one of these places. I've been to England before (London), but never to Ireland or Scotland or Wales. I've also never been anywhere near Australia or NZ. I'd prefer somewhere warm and with beaches, so down under would be a good choice for that obviously. What's life like in Australia or New Zealand? The people?
How do Ireland and Scotland compare with England?
Lastly: How are blacks treated in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, and NZ?
England will suck your soul. we're a cuntry of old people.
SmackNixon
2008-03-31, 18:47
Where abouts are you from? That could have something to do with it.
Waterford. We're all culchies, what can I say?
Mantikore
2008-04-03, 09:55
if you work for 6 months in australia, it would be winter and pretty cold for melbourne and sydney. darwin is always warm, but is kind of a shithole. the gold coast is a nice place to go. lots of beaches and is pretty warm all year
KwinnieFuckingBogan
2008-04-03, 11:19
I'd much rather live here than that stale nation called 'England'. As for travels don't think I'm saying Aus is better than NZ or Ireland to visit. Those are two pretty alright places, especially NZ. Take whatever suits you best.
Lawl. I hear the Australians are pretty straightforward with their naming. I can't think of any examples at the moment, but basically I recall there being a place named like..."Big Lake", and it was just a big lake. Or Big Hill, and it was a big fucking hill.
I don't totally agree with Gold N Green.... (Deja Vuis comes rushing like a bullet), but more with the comments in DerDrache's post. Racism doesn't prevail here as much as it seems, we're just really upfront about everything. Instead of stabbing you in the back we'll punch you in the face.
We speak our minds and voice our opinions loudly, though we're pretty casual and friendly as well. There's a concept down here called community, you just have to look past the dog's bark to see it.
(And as for the 'aggressiveness' of the things we say, it's in our culture to have a dig at each other. There's definitely a racist presence in Australia, but it wouldn't be any greater than any other of the first world countries. Quite a lot what would be politically incorrect verbal taboo in America or Britain is mere 'dinner table' language here.)
Probably.
Criminals aren't the most intelligent people ever.
You're a bitter loser aren't you?
The first fleet was a great thing by the way, really seperated the men from the snot nosed little boys who remained in 'Mother England' - Take a good look at the state of 'Mother England' now you god forsaken facetious prick. After the immigration of the first fleet the once all powerful British empire fell quickly into the ruination that it now lies..
...a stagnant fucken shithole that ought to be condemned, to which pissy sewer rats like yourself illussion yourself into thinking is home. A trap that is the future it can't escape, rats drowning in their own filth.
Look at what 'we' started with fuckhead, a desert island prison that your inbred monarchy referred to as something close to hell. It was a dry and barren land of very little agricultural value which crawled with dangers of which only the toughest of the tough survived..
..to create this paradise in which 'we' live.
Now who's laughing, Moron, go fuck yourself.
007-GoldenShower
2008-04-03, 11:29
I like how everyone immediatly uses the 'australia is full of convicts' line.
Does that mean I can safely assume Britain is full of dosile 'sods' who only ever experience cold, overcast weather and all love Antiques Roadshow and the Bill accompanied with biscuits and tea which rot away their filthy teeth?
Yes? Ok. Britain is a shithole, woo.
Climbing_The_Bell_Tower
2008-04-03, 14:48
Go to Africa, Asia, Middle East, South America, etc for charity work? But I guess not, DerDrache only wants to go to a country with a lot of blonde women.
Nigger.
DerDrache
2008-04-03, 19:21
Go to Africa, Asia, Middle East, South America, etc for charity work? But I guess not, DerDrache only wants to go to a country with a lot of blonde women.
Do you want to go do charity work in Africa? It's not my job to save everyone on the fucking planet.
Phanatic
2008-04-04, 05:55
Everyone saying Australia "is descended frum convix lul" is incredibly naive. Yes it was a penal colony. Anyone ever hear the term "British Justice"? The English used to send Irish people over there (from which many Australians are descended) that did things like steal food, because of the famine at the time (which was England's fault). If your family was starving, you'd steal them food (or rob people for money to get food) and if you got caught, know what that would make you? A convict.
DerDrache, before you go on about racism against blacks, read this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/716979/posts
"The U.S. Justice Department has reported that 85% of all inter-racial violence in America is committed by blacks against whites."
Considering blacks make up what, 15% of the population? I'd say you should stop whining about people being racist.
If I wanted to travel, I'd probably go to Australia. Blondes, beaches, boobs, beers, bbqs. From what I hear Australian women got it going on.
DerDrache
2008-04-04, 06:03
Everyone saying Australia "is descended frum convix lul" is incredibly naive. Yes it was a penal colony. Anyone ever hear the term "British Justice"? The English used to send Irish people over there (from which many Australians are descended) that did things like steal food, because of the famine at the time (which was England's fault). If your family was starving, you'd steal them food (or rob people for money to get food) and if you got caught, know what that would make you? A convict.
DerDrache, before you go on about racism against blacks, read this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/716979/posts
"The U.S. Justice Department has reported that 85% of all inter-racial violence in America is committed by blacks against whites."
Considering blacks make up what, 15% of the population? I'd say you should stop whining about people being racist.
If I wanted to travel, I'd probably go to Australia. Blondes, beaches, boobs, beers, bbqs. From what I hear Australian women got it going on.
Blacks are responsible for most of the violence in the US. Obviously the thugs aren't only hurting black people. And furthermore, we usually aren't talking about racially-motivated hate crimes; often its a matter of people being targeted for money. Now, people might get targeted for a mugging because they are white and THUS presumed to have money, but rarely just because they are white.
You know, there certainly are prejudiced blacks in the US, some even hate whites. But it's almost always a result of current events and circumstance, and it is almost always manifested as "active distrust". I don't think I've ever heard of a group of American or European blacks wandering around, seeing a white guy, and beating him and/or killing him because he's white. On the other hand, switch the roles around and that's a fairly common news report.
Without Trying
2008-04-04, 06:13
You're a bitter loser aren't you?
The first fleet was a great thing by the way, really seperated the men from the snot nosed little boys who remained in 'Mother England' - Take a good look at the state of 'Mother England' now you god forsaken facetious prick. After the immigration of the first fleet the once all powerful British empire fell quickly into the ruination that it now lies..
...a stagnant fucken shithole that ought to be condemned, to which pissy sewer rats like yourself illussion yourself into thinking is home. A trap that is the future it can't escape, rats drowning in their own filth.
Look at what 'we' started with fuckhead, a desert island prison that your inbred monarchy referred to as something close to hell. It was a dry and barren land of very little agricultural value which crawled with dangers of which only the toughest of the tough survived..
..to create this paradise in which 'we' live.
Now who's laughing, Moron, go fuck yourself.
What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of all your thieving, you filthy convict.
KwinnieFuckingBogan
2008-04-04, 06:18
http://www.frommers.com/blog/labels/australia.html
Phanatic
2008-04-04, 06:34
What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of all your thieving, you filthy convict.
Yawn.
Generally, Irish people love it when Americans come over because they spend so much money.
Kerry, Donegal and Dublin I guess are th places to see.
Waterford. We're all culchies, what can I say?
Up here we call them "Shams". With their wee Corsa's, sir. Qwer diff in the oul corsa wan-point-two, sir.
Jaysus, it's quarre bad, like.
Mellow_Fellow
2008-05-09, 15:51
As you're leaving the States/Canada, and not off to any particularly racist societies, stop fussing about the whole "black" thing. Seriously, i've seen black people in countries where there are very few in the general population, and generally... if you're pleasant, have some money and aren't well... in somewhere like Russia, all is well!
If you're still thinking this over, i just traveled in Australia for about 7 weeks, and had a great time. It's an enormous country - size of the US, but with 20 million people, mainly on the coast... but that means huge variety. Australia is seriously easy to get work in, compared to some countries, too... you get a working visa and can do agricultural work, or bar work, or whatever you can get, really. If you're being paid under 16 bucks an hour you're being ripped off, but then... the cost of living is seriously pretty high, especially if you just stick around in Sydney etc. Much better to work a month or two and actually save up lots, then try and drive around the country - car rental is cheap and easy if you're over 21.
There's a huge amount to see, in natural terms, at least - to the extent many Aussies haven't really seen that much, at least the ones I met. You can go to the red centre, the barrier reef, be all cosmo in Melbourne, eat great food most cities, see the tropics and rainforest and drive along the north coast, or just drink with backpackers on the east coast. I reckon Aus is quite American in some ways, too, so maybe less of a culture shock for some yanks. Then again, it's also very unique as a society, and if you can get over some aussies who are total twats and the general shitty situation with the aboriginals then all's good.
If you work and travel aus then it's pretty easy to get over to new zealand too, which I didn't do, but I met tons of people who did. They almost all had a great time, but again, like Aus you have to put the effort in, not to just sit in some city bar boozing for a month and seeing nothing. There's a fair bit to do and see, though, especially on the south island, i've heard.
As for Britain and Ireland - best to try and study and live there a few years, I guess i'm biased because i'm trying to escape the U.K, but there's plenty of shittyness there (although lots of fun and history/culture to be had... the main thing lacking in Australia, really).
Yeh i've rambled too much. If you want to just travel and see amazing societies without spending too much, go to South East asia! Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia...... maybe not Burma.... cheap and fascinating and hey people stare at you for being white and black any whatever colour, so hey. I'm in Cambodia at the moment seeing Angkor Wat and it's truly spectacular so far.... definitely better than sitting on a beach in Aus (which does get old) then again.... i dunno about doing work out here, aside from charity work?
Anyway if you haven't already thought about a few of these things hope it helps, if not, oh well, my fingers feel exercised. :cool:
DerDrache
2008-05-09, 16:21
As you're leaving the States/Canada, and not off to any particularly racist societies, stop fussing about the whole "black" thing. Seriously, i've seen black people in countries where there are very few in the general population, and generally... if you're pleasant, have some money and aren't well... in somewhere like Russia, all is well!
It's just a consideration. It wasn't even the reason I made this thread, just a side-question. White people have a knack for being racist, so I like to know what to expect when I'm going to new places. A white guy going to a black country would probably have the same concern.
Anyways, thanks for all of the info everyone. I need to arrange a job first, either here so I can raise money, or look for some job abroad.
If I do go to an English-speaking country, I think I'll go to Australia, and while I'm there I can surely visit NZ.
DonMuttoni
2008-05-13, 07:39
If you come to Australia and fall on hard times you could always come and work for my recruiting agency... we're shooting a IRL sequel to Underbelly in Melbourne next month!
I wouldn't advise moving to Ireland as a black man. You could probably get sorted out in the cities well enough, but Ireland is a rural white nation and in that, you may have some issue there. Most of the non-whites who are living in Ireland are a bunch of worthless criminal fecks or refugees who shouldn't have been allowed to come in the first place. Not a great situation for you to find yourself in.
Ireland is much less racist, and more easy going than England. It doesn't have as much work though. It really depends what you're looking for.
spinnersean
2008-05-18, 19:15
Ireland's very expensive. It is an easy enough place to pick up work even under the counter.
I think that there would just be no point going to Australia and NZ nice enough places but smaller versions of the states.
Mellow_Fellow
2008-05-19, 05:36
As cool as i'm sure Ireland is (one of my future projects is to actually GO!) I doubt it compares to seeing the south Island of NZ, skydiving, bungejumping, driving around in 4*4s and seeing snow capped mountains contrasted by lush greenery and lakes. All that cool shit.
It's true that Australia is somewhat similar to the U.S in some ways; the lack of proper recorded history and culture (ok someone's gona shoot me for this... there's all those ancient buildings and city stuff in the southern states, which looks great.) is perhaps one of the main ones. The isolated-mindset of some Aussies is quite up there, too, although no where near that of some Americans.
Shit, and then there's the diversity in Oz/NZ, perhaps the most varied environments in the world.
I would reccomend (sp?) coming to London for summer work, there is a ridiculous amount of jobs going if people need one. There is barely any racism in london these days due to the huge cultural diversity, white people are pretty much the minority. If you did come to london, id probably show you a few decent places =]
I'm from Northern Ireland, and racism isn't really a problem here... why attack someone of a different colour when you can attack someone who looks like you but was born into a different denomination of Christianity.
Saying that, we hate Americans... I guess I can only generalise from knowing how my peers and I feel, but Americans simply aren't welcome here.
Go to Australia. Theres fuckall to do in Ireland and England except drink and get in fights. In Australia and NZ you can do that and lots more. Plus in Ireland theres heaps of immigrants moving in all the time so its hard to find work.
Satans Handicapped Helper
2008-05-23, 19:12
God damn, all the Irish totseans are Northies.
I'm from Northern Ireland, and racism isn't really a problem here... why attack someone of a different colour when you can attack someone who looks like you but was born into a different denomination of Christianity.
Saying that, we hate Americans... I guess I can only generalise from knowing how my peers and I feel, but Americans simply aren't welcome here.
DOCTA! where abouts you from man!?
God damn, all the Irish totseans are Northies.
british
Satans Handicapped Helper
2008-05-29, 12:39
british
Na uh. You live on the island of Ireland, that makes you Irish.
costleys a filthy fuckin hun. I'm not a northie. Im an eastie.
Satans Handicapped Helper
2008-05-29, 15:40
Easties ftw.
Yo dude, come to Melbourne, Australia. We don't give a shit what colour you are, as long as you act cool. Just don't act like some MTV 'nigger', and you'll be loved.
But apart from that, if you have a decent work ethic and are out going, I can guarantee you a job that pays $35,000 (starting wage) per year. Although generally you get about $250 a month extra in bonuses. it's near the CBD, I know all the people there, it's chilled, easy and every one there is young.
Let us know if you're keen. I'd help you out in any other ways I could as well, would be cool to meet a traveler.
arquin_karnage at hotmail dot com if you're interested.
spinnersean
2008-06-04, 00:11
I am sure that New Zealand is beautiful but so are parts of America. I just think any American who went to Australia or New Zealand instead of Ireland or England is a fool.
England then Ireland is the way to do it. Or Ireland then England (and by England I mean LONDON the most creative city in the world).
The issue is WORK can you work legally in the EU. Ireland is expensive, London is expensive wages are good so you have to WORK.
The minimum wage in Ireland is 13.3657 USD
Shiznit Skitzafrantic
2008-07-26, 05:10
NZ! The people are cruizy the landscape is too. You can drink at 18...the end.