Maybe some evidence that there is really something after we die
What do you think?
http://www.nbc10.com/video/3253863/index.html

There exists no evidence for life after death.

The testimony of people who have died and come back is in question, b/c there brain ceases functioning properly, no matter what age they are.

Wont know till we get there!

But, if I die of old age and then move onto a new life, I'll come to totse and tell you guys!
(Assuming registration has been opened by then)

Wont know till we get there!

But, if I die of old age and then move onto a new life, I'll come to totse and tell you guys!
(Assuming registration has been opened by then)

couldn't you just use your awesome mod status to get you in despite the fact that you're dead?

In my book, "death" merely refers to the dissolution of the physical body, when the soul has no further use for it.

"Life" refers to the soul, the essential self, which is, was, and always shall be. Having had no beginning, it can have no end. It is eternal, invulnerable, immutable.

Maybe the human mind simply can not grasp the idea of no longer 'being', so it grasps at ideas of 'life after death'.
It's scary to think that there's nothing,nowhere, after all this.

It's scary to think that there's nothing,nowhere, after all this.

There was nothing, nowhere, before all of this. "You" won't even have to experience it, when it's your time. Think of what it was like before birth. Not so bad, huh?

What do you think?


The perceiving conscious center does not change, it is the conditions that do.

The Universe has many planes/conditions, and our soul has created many vehicles in which we may experience/understand these layers of reality. As we move further away from the physical world, the vehicles of consciousness are of a more subtle vibration, in harmony with the new conditions.

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ktmanual/kt-death.htm
^So far, this has been an interesting read^

couldn't you just use your awesome mod status to get you in despite the fact that you're dead?

I think that requires "admin" status.

Isn't the fact that we dream, a prof of some sort that consciousness is non-local? And what about all these near death experiences? Salvia divinorum?
I think it unlikely that consciousness is limited to only to the physical perspective.
What is life? Being conscious? What is conscious? Knowing and perceiving? Is it really so fringe to suggest that we can know and perceive beyond our physical form? That life is nauseatingly more vast then our limited minds can begin to conceive? Or should we simply say (with our narrow perspective) it is imposable that life can be anything more than the world of physicality?
What is death and is it really the end? Is there really an end?

There exists no evidence for life after death.

The testimony of people who have died and come back is in question, b/c there brain ceases functioning properly, no matter what age they are.

So as long as your not putting a false dilemma on the situation, I can respect what you say, even if I believe otherwise.

False Dilemma Example:
Person #1 says: "I had a NDE!"
Person #2 says: "Dude either your seeing things or it is just chemicals and electric responses in the brain!"

Of course, their is the third point that "Person #2" only created a false dilemma and one could just as equally propose that life exists after death.

Let's assume true death is when all chemical/electrical/whatever activity ceases in your brain.

Okay.

I bet that if that happened to someone and somehow the activity was forced to start again and they came back to life, all they'd say is that, along with possibly having an NDE, it felt like nothing and they don't remember it.

It's a topic that bothers me as it probably did our ancestors, hence the importance of an afterlife in some religions.

Yes, I realize that there are several other reasons for there being afterlives in religion.

Let's assume true death is when all chemical/electrical/whatever activity ceases in your brain.

Okay.

I bet that if that happened to someone and somehow the activity was forced to start again and they came back to life, all they'd say is that, along with possibly having an NDE, it felt like nothing and they don't remember it.

It's a topic that bothers me as it probably did our ancestors, hence the importance of an afterlife in some religions.

Yes, I realize that there are several other reasons for there being afterlives in religion.

We can only speculate, science can only take us so far objectively and the human consciousness can only go with the science up to a certain point before we ask which one exceeds our experience? The objectivity of a cold harsh world or subjectivity of not being part of that could harsh world...

In my youth I have accepted there could be nothing after we die, if the fates will decide when it is time for me to go, I cant stop that, my beliefs tell me there is something after death, but even if proven wrong after my body is dead (I inevitably enter oblivion) does this mean that my beliefs were a waste of time? Some would say yes, some would say no... I say no because, the belief in spirituality is a teacher through lifes hard times. What we need is a religious/spiritual tradition that imbraces internal work and allows this internal work to be reflected to the outside world.

It just seems like a silly childlike notion that man yearns for because he yearns for eternal life (power). Life and experience, as it can be proven, only exist when the brain is in function. End its functionality and all experience ceases. As for this whole "soul" notion, please...grow up and stop speaking in infantile concepts and talking of things made up out of thin air.

Maybe something exists outside of the pond, you ever think of that?

It's not that it isn't possible, that is I can't disprove it. But it's just a catch-22 to say anything might exist and it is on baseless assertions that you say such things. It's as if I said, "maybe magical monkeys fly around singing aerosmith in deep outer space." Sure, I can't disprove it, but it is just a meaningless assertion of hope, based on nothing.

You are placing your argument on the baseless assertion that experience is solely the result of brain functionality and that it is silly and childish to think otherwise.
That seems a bit hypocritical to me.

There was nothing, nowhere, before all of this.

How does that make sense? How can there be nothing? Fair go saying there "was nothing nowhere" just sounds like non-sense! How can existence come from non-existence? Nothing is nothing, it does not exist! Whatever we are and wherever we are destined it cannot be nothing. Think about it, to say nothing existed is an obvious oxymoron, so wherever our existence originated it was certainly not 'nothing' and can never become nothing.

Cheers:)

redzed, my comment was directed towards the state of existence before you were born (nothing), in direct comparison to the state of existence after you die (nothing).

*You* being the keyword. Those who agonize over the fact of their mortality and yearn for continual life should take solace in the fact that once their brain dies, their capacity for yearning and agonizing (or contentedness and happiness) dies right alongside it. *You* are finished, and I compare it to the state of existence before you are conceived ... nothingness.

redzed, my comment was directed towards the state of existence before you were born (nothing), in direct comparison to the state of existence after you die (nothing).

*You* being the keyword. Those who agonize over the fact of their mortality and yearn for continual life should take solace in the fact that once their brain dies, their capacity for yearning and agonizing (or contentedness and happiness) dies right alongside it. *You* are finished, and I compare it to the state of existence before you are conceived ... nothingness.

You're absolutely right! There was nothingness. There was a source. The source spoke into nothingness, and created all things. (That's what I believe based on Gen 1:1-5)

redzed, my comment was directed towards the state of existence before you were born (nothing), in direct comparison to the state of existence after you die (nothing).

*You* being the keyword. Those who agonize over the fact of their mortality and yearn for continual life should take solace in the fact that once their brain dies, their capacity for yearning and agonizing (or contentedness and happiness) dies right alongside it. *You* are finished, and I compare it to the state of existence before you are conceived ... nothingness.

Thanks AF, if *you* is used in the same sense as in *ego* then the use of the description 'nothing' makes some sense. However it is only in the sense of one who looks in an empty fridge and finds nothing there. Obviously there is something in the fridge, air, moisture, etc. In that sense the ego or *You* does come from nothing, but that is not an absolute nothing. We know from Einstein's equations that it is possible to calculate the amount of energy in one's body(*You*?) by weighing oneself and multiplying that mass by the speed of light squared.

The laws of the conservation of energy state that energy is never created nor destroyed. Meaning, that all of the energy of which *You* are presently composed has always existed and will always exist. The obvious implication being that wherever we have originated and wherever our destiny, the fact is the total energy of the being we currently are is eternal.

Cheers:)

You're absolutely right! There was nothingness. There was a source. The source spoke into nothingness, and created all things. (That's what I believe based on Gen 1:1-5)

"Nothing comes from Nothing" Parmenides Makes more sense to me that if all things were created then they had to be created from something. However you may be using the term 'nothingness' in another sense. Please describe the "nothingness" from which all things were created.

Cheers:)