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godfather89
2008-03-23, 17:09
I was talking to someone on another community forum about the Topic of "What is truth?" Now, being it was a religious board they immediately said: Look to the Jesus Trial by Pontius Pilate I said well I found this apocyprhal text not from the bible, so I copied it down and I will share it with you:

Pilate called for Jesus and said to him "What are you accused of...? Dont you have anything to say?" Jesus answered him, "If my accusers were powerless, they, too, would say nothing. But each person has power-- the power over his mouth to speak good or evil. So they will use their power and see it."

Later, Pilate once again enter the praetorium and took Jesus aside and asked him "Are you the king of the Jews?" Jesus answered him, "Did you ask me on your own or did others tell you this above me?"

Pilate replied, "Am I a Jew? Your own nation and its chief priest have handed you over to me. Now tell me, what have you done?" Jesus told him, "My kingship is not of this world; else my followers would have fought against the Jews at m arrest. My kingship is not here and it is not now."

Pilate said, "So you are a king, than!" Jesus answered, "You say I am a king. I am. I was born and have come here so that everyone who is of the truth might hear my voice."

Pilate said, "What is truth?" Jesus answered "Truth comes from heaven."

Pilate said, "Is there no truth on earth?" Jesus replied, "Yes, but you can easily see how those who speak the truth are judged by those in authority on earth."

Now I found this to have a very profound mean, personally I find truth to be subjective, but the way its phrased does not suggest the meaning behind the words.

Now before having added opinion to the mix; one member said this:

"Truth did not come naked into the world, but in images and types.
Truth in its essence is a singularity
But we never encounter Truth "in its essence".
Therefore Truth, as it is encountered by limited and particular intellects
in the temporal world in which we exist
is a multifaceted gem
which presents different faces to different viewers at different times
Truth is therefore hostage to no one, and no one speaks for Truth"

The meaning again seems to go beyond just the words written, so my question to you is:

What is truth? Lets be serious about this, I was thinking about putting this in the "Oh the humanities section" of the forum being its philosophical but I wanted to invoke the religiosity of truth by referring to religious text.

Obbe
2008-03-23, 17:37
Truth is relative.

It can also be a fruitless pursuit.

godfather89
2008-03-24, 14:12
"Therefore Truth, as it is encountered by limited and particular intellects
in the temporal world in which we exist
is a multifaceted gem
which presents different faces to different viewers at different times
Truth is therefore hostage to no one, and no one speaks for Truth."

So than, you agree with what I said being, that truth is subjective, it is something that presents itself to us in different ways? Being there is no one truth on earth than there must be many truths that all lead to the source of all these truths.

Isnt the job of a logical thinking person, supposed to be to come to the truths of the world around him? By saying that truth is relative, gives way to subjective relativism, the idea that what you believe to be true is true. But we know truth couldnt be like that, afterall if i believed that I could job out of the second story window and fly than I could do that.

I could just be rambling on again... because, I didnt give the second paragraph much thought.

Obbe
2008-03-24, 18:03
So than, you agree with what I said being, that truth is subjective, it is something that presents itself to us in different ways?

It would certainly appear so, although thats really just one more thing we can't know.

Being there is no one truth on earth than there must be many truths that all lead to the source of all these truths.

Hmmmm? Whaaaaaaa?

By saying that truth is relative, gives way to subjective relativism, the idea that what you believe to be true is true.

And that appears to be what most people believe. What is accepted as 'true' would be relative to the person accepting it.

But we know truth couldnt be like that, afterall if i believed that I could job out of the second story window and fly than I could do that.

It certainly appears that believing that something is true, does not mean that it is.