im having trouble understanding something, in jesus christs time was he thought of by the majority of the population, as a savior? or was that thought of later as his followers spread christianity?
im trying to figure out if everyone thought jesus was the savior or if they just thought this man was a lunatic. i mean if you hear these stories about a man who says that he is gods son, most likely you dont take him seriously, but if you hear these stories about someone who previously lived many years before, it seems to give it more realistic properties, like thinking "gods son cant be born during my time, its unreal"

and when was modern date "AD" used? when was it adopted?

well back to topic, was christ thought of as a savior or just unknown, or even as a crazy?

The fact that the people in Jesus's own city had him executed is pretty self explanatory. They thought him insane, and dangerous, and killed him, as per the law.

The fact that you still have judaism, tells you that not everyone fell for his shit. How can you not believe in this IF you were there to witness it. There is the question of whether or not it really happened. I think only 4 historians wrote about the Christ. 3 of the 4 never mentioned the first name of the christ (annointed) and only mentioned the Christ in passing (a sentence or two)

Josephus supposedly wrote a paragraph and mentioned Jesus by name. This paragraph was not found until WELL after Josephus's death and is highly questionable. First it is absurd to think that more people would not write about a man with miraculous powers. Second, in this paragraph Josephus proclaims Jesus the messiah, but he had already claimed someone elses.

I would imagine that Christianity entered into a cult like state and remained so until they were able to influence someone of great and vast power.

325 A.D. the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity the primary religion of Rome and her provinces (which included almost all of the western world). The bible was then mass translated into Latin and Greek, under the watchful eye of Constantine.

Shortly after, the church begins killing or excommunicating (the kinder death sentence) all who refuse to believe in Jesus, the bible and God.

It wasn't until the 16th century I believe that the bible was finally translated into English by William Tinsdale (I think that was his name). The church burned him alive for doing it.

Christianity explodes shortly after into the numerous sects you have today.

So, if it weren't for Constantine, we would probably not know the name Jesus Christ.

hmmm thanks,

so back than, they pretty much saw jesus the way we see some ranting homeless man now? propheting the end of the world and such?
sucks to be the christ, but how many followers did he have, during his life. was it only a small cult intill constantine? or was it a pretty good sized cult?
and so that means that people worship a man that they pretty much know nothing about, and only have a few stories to tell them of? if you have any more info let me know


sources too

Nobody really knows.

The problem with the history behind the Christ is that it has been purposefully cleaned up by the church.

I can imagine that this crazy fuck we know today as Jesus, did have his own manson family. Whether or not it was exactly twelve other homosexuals is not important. What is important, and obvious is that someone heard this guy, and enjoyed traveling with him, being jobless, and getting free food (and maybe even a crofter's daughter from time to time) from people who were convinced by this snake oil salesman called Christ.

When they executed the criminal Christ, his followers saw their meal ticket going down the shitter. They quickly conconcted a story, stuck to it, and continued on not working, getting free food, and sometimes a crofter's daughter. They did a pretty decent job of running the cult it would seem, and even got Tom Cruise, shit, I mean Emperor Constantine to join.

With powerful celebrity backing such as this, it was only a matter of time before the year 325 AD when christianity was forced down the throat of the western world at Constantine's urgence.

I believe the whole Christian religion essentially boils down to a small cult of Jews who hated to work.

It is really hard to separate the reality from the myth regarding the Nazz. Take the walking on water thing--probably (according to some Biblical scholars) never happened. Ditto the "cast the first stone" thing, and of course the death and resurrection itself. Propaganda.

Jesus, besides being on of the most highly evolved people to ever walk the pike, was a politician, and a good one at that. Many of the things he did, were done with the express purpose of fulfilling a bunch of old prophecies, to consolidate his position as Messiah. He did this with the full support of the Zealots.

However, he lost their support when he made the "render unto Caesar" remark. Although it WAS an awesome sound bite, he pretty much blew it with the Zealots, being as they were rabidly anti-Roman.

I also have a thread titled birth of the gods, in which I theorize on the beginnings of religion in the human mind.

You should check it out.

^Been there, left comment #6.

^Been there, left comment #6.

Sorry, I should have made it clear. I was talking to the orginal poster...thanks for the comment on that thread, though.

Death and Ressurection propaganda? Sure people will tell lies, but how many will die for a lie. Each of the prophets that saw jesus resurrected was put to death, and at that time to be a Christian, meant torture and death. What? your theory is that they all suffered that for attention?

If Lil' Wayne were the 14 apostle he would have summed up the situation like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VZNp-VzOqbM&feature=related

im having trouble understanding something, in jesus christs time was he thought of by the majority of the population, as a savior? or was that thought of later as his followers spread christianity?
im trying to figure out if everyone thought jesus was the savior or if they just thought this man was a lunatic. i mean if you hear these stories about a man who says that he is gods son, most likely you dont take him seriously, but if you hear these stories about someone who previously lived many years before, it seems to give it more realistic properties, like thinking "gods son cant be born during my time, its unreal"

and when was modern date "AD" used? when was it adopted?

well back to topic, was christ thought of as a savior or just unknown, or even as a crazy?

Fundamentalism aside, part of the reason why he was crucified was because, he was a threat to the establishment of his day, thus he was an outlaw. Look in the bible, look how many times Jesus says that the pharisees, saducees, The Scribes and Men of The Law, get it wrong all the time? It is a threat to the power structure. Jesus was a rebel to society, not an obedient citizen to it, Sermon on the Mount and Sermon on the Plain are a testament to that.

Ironically, and I wrote abou this in an article I wrote awhile ago:

"Fundamentalism seeks to keep status quo and I find this one the funniest aspect to fundamentalism. The Christian fundamentalist worships and submits to Christ. The irony in this is that Christ was a person about change and challenging the status quo! It's amazing how fundamentalism wants to keep the status quo while worshiping the man who challenges the status quo. Your deception is right there, regardless if this was a historical point in time with his crucifixion or just "once upon a time" in a transformative myth, the lessons are there to be taken from. In this case, it is CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO AKA what is accepted as True."

If you look on cannabis.net you find stuff about him being a druggie. So he was probably taken just slightly more seriously than anyone "tripping balls" these days.

They had mentioned, the possibility of that on: The Pharmacratic Inquisition saying how his message was about this psycho-spiritual drug movement, some parts perhaps I could understand but others eh, so so on.

Theres a lot of talk about DMT being a major cause, for spirituality, why it is outlawed almost everywhere in the world, yet it is found in everything... lol

They had mentioned, the possibility of that on: The Pharmacratic Inquisition saying how his message was about this psycho-spiritual drug movement, some parts perhaps I could understand but others eh, so so on.

Theres a lot of talk about DMT being a major cause, for spirituality, why it is outlawed almost everywhere in the world, yet it is found in everything... lol

Ahh true? I'll have to scour google video and the torrent sites for that then.

Im like 90% sure thats how you spelled "Pharmacratic"