What are your thoughts on the topic?

How and why is sex sometimes demonized by religions, and othertimes praised? What is the reasoning behind these beliefs, as you see them?

How do you (as atheists or theists) believe sex relates to humanity? What are your personal beliefs regarding sex?

Theists, what are your beliefs concerning sex and God?

Sex was just another means the priesthood had on controlling the laity.

The God I know is all for any and all modes of sexual expression, assuming we are talking about consenting adults.

Sex was just another means the priesthood had on controlling the laity.

The God I know is all for any and all modes of sexual expression, assuming we are talking about consenting adults.

What about consenting children/teens?

Yeah, when it is demonized, it is just another form of oppression. And I think when it is praised, or at least treated ritualistically as it is by some, it can be used like an entheogen or meditation. And unite the participants.

What are your thoughts on the topic?

How and why is sex sometimes demonized by religions, and othertimes praised? What is the reasoning behind these beliefs, as you see them?

How do you (as atheists or theists) believe sex relates to humanity? What are your personal beliefs regarding sex?

Theists, what are your beliefs concerning sex and God?

Sex is not so bad in my beliefs, the idea of Lust V. Love is what the central theme to any religious belief, if you lust and lust some more you hurt yourself (divorce from an affair) and others around you (rape). Love does not do that, there is no need for lust if love is stronger and pre-dominate in a person. Love cant hurt people it can only do good (read 1 Corinthian 13 to see what I mean).

Again, sex is not in and of itself bad, its the motivation behind sex that is what can make it hurtful or helpful. Personally, I believe pre-marital sex is okay so as long as both partners consent and one is not pressuring the other one. Lust would pressure one to pressure their part; Love can wait for sex since love will carry them on further than lust.

Sex is important part of the human psyche, we dont just knock each other up to make babies but because, there seems more underlying the human condition the need for intimacy and love. Personally, I find sex to be okay so as long as the partners know each other (STI's, Health History relating to Sex, What they Like and Dislike). I am not particularly fond of orgies or sexual encounters with more than 2 people, thats just me though.

I can only speak as a Gnostic and the belief in God as a Gnostic. Gnostics are accused of being (at the same time) ascetics who hate sex AND Orgiastic Libertines, in truth, they are neither but saw sexual encounters as something to be done in moderations.

Have you ever seen that chart with the main sequence stars, blue giants, and red dwarfs? There are more main sequence stars than Blue Giants and Red dwarfs. In this case main sequence stars represent the moderate view of sex while the Red Dwarfs and Blue Giants are the extreme hate or like of sex.

Sex is not so bad in my beliefs, the idea of Lust V. Love is what the central theme to any religious belief, if you lust and lust some more you hurt yourself (divorce from an affair) and others around you (rape). Love does not do that, there is no need for lust if love is stronger and pre-dominate in a person. Love cant hurt people it can only do good (read 1 Corinthian 13 to see what I mean).

Again, sex is not in and of itself bad, its the motivation behind sex that is what can make it hurtful or helpful. Personally, I believe pre-marital sex is okay so as long as both partners consent and one is not pressuring the other one. Lust would pressure one to pressure their part; Love can wait for sex since love will carry them on further than lust.

I think along somewhat different terms, I suppose.

When I think of love, I think the real way to benefit from love and to help the world is to love everyone and everything unconditionally, no one more or less. I think that relationships can be good and bad in way, as I think "love" can mean different things to different people, at different times.

Simply, I don't really believe in the whole "perfect love" between two people. I believe you can find a very, very compatible companion whom you love and enjoy spending time with, but I also feel that to wish they love you and only you is an emotion of fear, not love. That you should love others and so should your partner, but stay with each other through the compatibility.

Yes, lust can be negative, if it overpowers love. If you let your lust hurt someone.

But I also believe lust is a requirement of good sex. Lust is the emotion you lose yourself, and each other in, you lose everything in and all that remains is fucking.

Sex is important part of the human psyche, we dont just knock each other up to make babies but because, there seems more underlying the human condition the need for intimacy and love. Personally, I find sex to be okay so as long as the partners know each other (STI's, Health History relating to Sex, What they Like and Dislike). I am not particularly fond of orgies or sexual encounters with more than 2 people, thats just me though.

I think people should be monogamist while having a sexual relationship, to reduce the spread of disease. But if they have taken the necessary precautions, I don't see anything wrong with group sex, or casual friend sex.

Just don't let emotions become negative, which is easier to say then to practice, but its the way I believe we should be. We should all love each other.

How do you (as atheists or theists) believe sex relates to humanity?

You can't have one without the other! (Not for very long, anyway) ;)

Complete lifelong celibacy seems incredibly counterproductive, on many levels.

You can't have one without the other! (Not for very long, anyway) ;)

Complete lifelong celibacy seems incredibly counterproductive, on many levels.

Very much so.

And this brings up another point of view on sex ... celibacy. Some people believe that abstaining from sexual activities allows one to direct sexual energy towards other purposes.

Does this mean that each person has a finite amount of energies available to them, and if they use it up ... *Poof!* ??

It would seem like a nice, intimate, consensual roll in the hay would be putting energy to good use, and far more beneficial than just staring out into space trying to tap into your third eye, or something.

Does this mean that each person has a finite amount of energies available to them, and if they use it up ... *Poof!* ??

It would seem like a nice, intimate, consensual roll in the hay would be putting energy to good use, and far more beneficial than just staring out into space trying to tap into your third eye, or something.

I dunno what they believe ... I am not celibate.

I believe pure, lustful, sweaty, thoughtless sex to be one of the healthiest and most positive thing two close friends could do for each other.

I think along somewhat different terms, I suppose.

When I think of love, I think the real way to benefit from love and to help the world is to love everyone and everything unconditionally, no one more or less. I think that relationships can be good and bad in way, as I think "love" can mean different things to different people, at different times.

Simply, I don't really believe in the whole "perfect love" between two people. I believe you can find a very, very compatible companion whom you love and enjoy spending time with, but I also feel that to wish they love you and only you is an emotion of fear, not love. That you should love others and so should your partner, but stay with each other through the compatibility.

Yes, lust can be negative, if it overpowers love. If you let your lust hurt someone.

But I also believe lust is a requirement of good sex. Lust is the emotion you lose yourself, and each other in, you lose everything in and all that remains is fucking.

When we think of love, we pull up our memories of being loved or lack of love. Everyone, can agree though that love is this experience that is higher side of human socialization, so as humans we can agree that love is something that we would cherish and be happy with, when we love, we care and are compassionate to everyone. We are not just out for ourselves but each other.

Im not an idealist while on earth, I know that perfection in its fullest sense cannot be realized on earth, so thus the perfect relationship is very very rare and hard to find, every r/ship will have a drawback, a wole, a damper something that stops it from being full, but when we love each other in our highest and ATTAINABLE way we can than we care and have a genuine desire to not hurt one another, this is when sex should be fully allowed, you need not some marriage to do that you can be beyond that.

Fucking just for fucking, seems to hurt the purpose obviously everyone does it or at least is tempted by such actions but, just IMO alone, I feel that it takes away from life it makes you dead, you can kill yourself like you said if you let lust overpower you.


I think people should be monogamist while having a sexual relationship, to reduce the spread of disease. But if they have taken the necessary precautions, I don't see anything wrong with group sex, or casual friend sex.

Just don't let emotions become negative, which is easier to say then to practice, but its the way I believe we should be. We should all love each other.

Like I said it just my opinion, I dont see myself taking part unless I knew my partner and my partner knew me, we agreed to be with each other.

Of course, unconditional love but I am just saying when it comes to sex with your partner, make sure you love them and are not just lusting after them

Sex is fine. It's adultery and the animal orgasm that need to be controlled - through self-discipline.

Hell, when it comes down to it, everything in life is sex. But to sin against life and orgasm - oh dear. You're sinning against the Holy Spirit there, you degenerate.

Love is when energy and awareness are perfectly balanced and in harmony.

What are your thoughts on the topic?

How and why is sex sometimes demonized by religions, and othertimes praised? What is the reasoning behind these beliefs, as you see them?

How do you (as atheists or theists) believe sex relates to humanity? What are your personal beliefs regarding sex?

Theists, what are your beliefs concerning sex and God?

As far as I know, not many religions demonize sex other than christianity. Why? Because christianity is a slave religion for whites. Because it was created by jews...and what do they want? Less white people...or atleast a stupider version of them for better slaves. Is that not obvious? Pagan religions looked at sex as a good thing, and christianity was forced on Europe. That, and them demonizing violence, and war. These are all natural things, and how people live, and how the world works.

I dont believe in homosexuality because it isn't natural. I dont believe in pornography (because it's another tool to stop whites from reproducing)...and I dont believe in beastiality (but aids seems to be taking care of that.) Other than that, sex is the most natural thing to people. It is one of the ways you can make sure you live on into the future.

And not being with the same person doesn't really matter. Thats a personal choice. You can have a large family, or just have abunch of kids with different women. White people just need to have more children.

And this brings up another point of view on sex ... celibacy. Some people believe that abstaining from sexual activities allows one to direct sexual energy towards other purposes.

I went to boarding school for three years and the only way pent up sexual "energy" comes out in any other form is violence.

Righto,

Christianity came from old-school Judaism, right?

Now back in the day (like 5000 years ago) men wanted to marry virgins and not some ho' who'd been ridden like the town bicycle. I guess this sort of logic is behind African genital mutilation in the name of Islam as well.. to prevent women from enjoying or even having sex (sewing up the genitals then cutting it open on the wedding night).

Anyway, if a woman got pregnant outside of marriage she was basically fucked. That's why if you got a chick pregnant back in thsoe days (even through rape, according to the OT) you'd have to pay the father a dowry and get hitched. So the social pressure was there on men to help protect the women and children's stability and ensure evolutionary success.

Back then if you have sex outside of marriage and get preggers, and the man who came in your hawt young pussy refuses to marry you, he'd probably be shamed or ostracized and you and the unborn baby would be screwed.

Without a stable marriage where nobody wants to be the father,
what could you do to feed your kids? Jewish culture was very patriarchal back hten, a man had a lot more options than a woman. To feed her kids, wimmenz might be reduced to begging or prosituation. This is also partly why women wanted to have sons back then - so that they could be looked after by their sons in old age if the husband died before them.

Now we have contraception, so humans can take out their urges without much risk. Unfortunately, Jewish morality had some good reasons behind it, but through Chrisitanity some of it continued on into the modern era where it becomes obselete.

Many Christians have kept the Jewish morality when it comes to sex; even though it's been rendered a lot more redundant than it was before thanks to contraception. The Catholic Church actually EXPANDED the whole "sex is bad" thing for a long, long time and it shows in our morality today. Just Thank God (or not) that they didn't keep the sacrificial laws.. too complicated!

Sex is fine. It's adultery and the animal orgasm that need to be controlled - through self-discipline.

Hell, when it comes down to it, everything in life is sex. But to sin against life and orgasm - oh dear. You're sinning against the Holy Spirit there, you degenerate.

Love is when energy and awareness are perfectly balanced and in harmony.

Hey rizzo, good to hear from you. How's life, btw?

On topic, I saw you post some things around totse about prolactin and orgasms. Saw you post this (http://www.humpjones.com/rear/entry/prolactin_proof_that_god_hates_us/).

I was wondering if you, or anyone else reading this, know of a good source of information on tantric sex and discipline and all that. I've decided to stop jacking it this month and see how I feel in a week or two.

Hey rizzo, good to hear from you. How's life, btw?

On topic, I saw you post some things around totse about prolactin and orgasms. Saw you post this (http://www.humpjones.com/rear/entry/prolactin_proof_that_god_hates_us/).

I was wondering if you, or anyone else reading this, know of a good source of information on tantric sex and discipline and all that. I've decided to stop jacking it this month and see how I feel in a week or two.

Life est wunderbar. or something.

If you're looking for some good sexual magick type stuff, VM Sammy is always a good start although some consider him a bit off his rocker.

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/

Life est wunderbar. or something.

If you're looking for some good sexual magick type stuff, VM Sammy is always a good start although some consider him a bit off his rocker.

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/

Good, dude.

That site looks full of juicy, delicious information, thanks. But who is this VM Sammy fellow? Google didn't seem to churn up anything.

Good, dude.

That site looks full of juicy, delicious information, thanks. But who is this VM Sammy fellow? Google didn't seem to churn up anything.

Hah, my bad. I should be accurate instead of a joking dick.

Venerable Master Samuel Aun Weor. Or as I so irreverently call him, VM Sammy. The people on the gnositic forums would get PISSED if they found out that someone was calling him that but I think they're all a bit uptight.

I mean, I agree with them on a lot of things but they take everything way too seriously. There is a serious lack of humor, and that is a cardinal sin, IMO.

Venerable Master Samuel Aun Weor. Or as I so irreverently call him, VM Sammy.

lol, ok, thanks man.

The people on the gnositic forums would get PISSED if they found out that someone was calling him that but I think they're all a bit uptight.

I mean, I agree with them on a lot of things but they take everything way too seriously. There is a serious lack of humor, and that is a cardinal sin, IMO.

lol, thats just how it is, unfortunatly. Some people like to forget how to think.

I don't understand the lack of humor folks have about religion. I consider myself a follower of the J-Man, but I still like to draw stick men on a cross being impaled by a roman soldier stating such underneath the doodle:

Spear of Longinus: 1
Jesus: 0

Life est wunderbar. or something.

If you're looking for some good sexual magick type stuff, VM Sammy is always a good start although some consider him a bit off his rocker.

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/

Remember how I said earlier the gnostics were a ranging group of peoples from, Liberals to Ultra Conservatives? You found the liberal, I was a member of the forum, but I was not satisfied, it did not answer the question I had about Gnostic Christianity, if it interests you however, the guy who founded that group Samuel Aun Woer, he was thrown in prison, religious authorities saw him as a threat for his beliefs...

Remember how I said earlier the gnostics were a ranging group of peoples from, Liberals to Ultra Conservatives? You found the liberal, I was a member of the forum, but I was not satisfied, it did not answer the question I had about Gnostic Christianity, if it interests you however, the guy who founded that group Samuel Aun Woer, he was thrown in prison, religious authorities saw him as a threat for his beliefs...

Wait, are you saying Samuel Aun Weor's brand of gnosticism is "liberal"? wtf?

Tantric sex, I always found that a more liberal thing... I would not call it middle ground though that is for sure, he has a mix i guess in some respects, I know a conservative thing of his idea was that, if you cum during sex than you cannot have the kundalini process be completed. It seemed kinda out there for me. Maybe its a weird hybrid of sorts. Kundalini was pivotal for Gnosis in his belief...