Hello Everyone,

If there is any discussion about Goddesses, I am not aware of it...

I have only seen discussions about believing or not beliving in God...

I'm almost certain that most everyone would agree that the word "God" implies a male gender...

So is there anyone out there that believes in a Goddess, instead of a male God ??

Regards,
Ancient One

My missus is The Goddess.. and I am The God.

It works both ways see.

I believe sexuality is balanced for God. Like, X = {(+) + (-)}.

My missus is The Goddess.. and I am The God.

It works both ways see.


Hi Parkus,

That's a great way to have a relationship... :-)

Ancient One

..Is that sarcasm?

If it is, why?


If not, then :cool:

For a time I believed that this entity whom we call God was actually Goddess, but then I realized that the power of this entity cannot be assigned a value of gender.

I believe sexuality is balanced for God. Like, X = {(+) + (-)}.

Enough with your fucking equation that explains god. That's fucking INSANE.

Origional poster, that is a very lesbian question.

..Is that sarcasm?

If it is, why?


If not, then :cool:


Hi Parkus,

NO... I wasn't being sarcastic at all...

When you said that your woman was the Goddess and you were the God, I saw that as meaning that the 2 of you have a great and fantastic relationship...

Therfore I said thats a great way to have a relationship...

Ancient One

Hi Parkus,

NO... I wasn't being sarcastic at all...

When you said that your woman was the Goddess and you were the God, I saw that as meaning that the 2 of you have a great and fantastic relationship...

Therfore I said thats a great way to have a relationship...

Ancient One

Sorry, & cheers :D

Can't believe that a Wiccan hasn't piped in yet! Several years ago this place was teeming with them.

Some like to call it gods or goddesses, but I prefer the term "Ascended Masters".
They are beings dedicated to the spiritual development of humanity. They embody the spiritual saying "Be in the world, but not of it." While incarnated they're not swayed by the illusions of the material world. The nature of the physical world is change, the only permanence to be found is in the higher dimensions. And this they know, by this balance, the divine powers of the mind are unlocked.

Through slowing the mind, and getting away from these pestering thoughts that never cease to distract us. We can connect to our "Divine Will", far past our egotistical wants and desires.

Once in this state, you can receive a clearer transmission of these forces that "guide" the spiritual development of humanity.

With that said, Bridget is my goddess. She contains the aspects of healing, inspiration, and metal working. I don't want to get into the personal things that have happened in my life that brought me to this connection, just let it suffice to say that she is my goddess.

Some like to call it gods or goddesses, but I prefer the term "Ascended Masters".
They are beings dedicated to the spiritual development of humanity. They embody the spiritual saying "Be in the world, but not of it." While incarnated they're not swayed by the illusions of the material world. The nature of the physical world is change, the only permanence to be found is in the higher dimensions. And this they know, by this balance, the divine powers of the mind are unlocked.

Through slowing the mind, and getting away from these pestering thoughts that never cease to distract us. We can connect to our "Divine Will", far past our egotistical wants and desires.

Once in this state, you can receive a clearer transmission of these forces that "guide" the spiritual development of humanity.

With that said, Bridget is my goddess. She contains the aspects of healing, inspiration, and metal working. I don't want to get into the personal things that have happened in my life that brought me to this connection, just let it suffice to say that she is my goddess.


Hi Vanhalla,

Thanks for sharing your perspective... I found your reply interesting...

Let me ask you several questions about your reply, if you don't mind...

Do you then personally regard all of the God's and Goddesses of ancient mythology as "Ascended Masters" ??

How about angels, do you also regard angels as "Ascended Masters" ??

If so, does that mean that you believe that those beings in mythology known as God's and Goddesses were at one time ordinary people, like you and I ??

I can't remember for certain, but is Goddess Bridget from the Roman tradition ??
Wasn't she also known for being a huntress ??

Ancient One

Well... well... in a sense I guess I do. My spiritual beliefs have a very slight wiccan/other pagan slant to them. I believe all these demons and gods and goddesses and any other entities that I missed, are all just thought-forms created by humans.

The non-human spirits are daemons. These can be evil, good, neutral or whatever. Intelligent, but not human.

The various thought forms created by man that gather enough attention to add energy, shape and substance to them take on an intelligence of their own. For example: Scribe in olden days notices all the plagues. He thinks it could be a malevolent spirit. He conjures a name for it, describes what it might look like, and various other details. Over time people start believing it IS this etherial scape-goat. The belief takes form... and you've got Pazuzu.

The same goes for any other god/dess or other being that is/has been worshiped or believed in.

To sum it up, I do believe in goddesses in a sense...any questions?

...ilikedots.....

BTW AngryFemme, am I close enough to your "wiccan"?

Conjuring non-human demons, shape-shifting, Pazuzu... I reckon that's about as Wiccan as one can get, BlackEagle.

Seems like about five or six years ago, Wiccan was the designer religion of choice for teenagers. Now, not so much. Did it peak, then trend out?

Hello Everyone,



I'm almost certain that most everyone would agree that the word "God" implies a male gender...



I have frequently pointed out that deity transcends gender, and I would hope that the regulars here who have been paying attention know this.

That said, the use of "God" is merely a convention, English grammar being well, sexist, for want of a more precise term.

But wait--there's more--one reason the Judeo-Christian god is spoken of as male is due to an oddity of Hebrew grammar, being that the Hebrew languauge has no neuter pronoun--everyting is a he or she.

In Hinduism, which is admittedly polytheistic to a fare thee well, the Supreme Cause is Atman or simply That.

One of the convenient things about God--being that he/she/it/them/whatever is infinite, boundless and all that, you can say pretty much whatever you want and not be too far off the mark.

Conjuring non-human demons, shape-shifting, Pazuzu... I reckon that's about as Wiccan as one can get, BlackEagle.

Seems like about five or six years ago, Wiccan was the designer religion of choice for teenagers. Now, not so much. Did it peak, then trend out?

Actually much of what I said has nothing to do with wicca. Nor did I say anything about shape-shifting, and pazuzu is of sumerian mythology.

Anyway, I think that when the little goth kids found out wicca wasnt about sacrificing babies/cats/blood etc... and "black magick" and whatever have you they decided to become the next coolest thing, either satanist or atheist.

I guess light, earth-based religion focused on being at peace with the world just wasn't cool. Kids(mainly 13 year old girls) thought they could get whatever they wanted, and when they realized it was just a bunch of shit they were reading, they left it.

Its because of stupid shit like this that wicca isn't treated as an established religion. I'm not a wiccan, but it just seems kinda dumb and unfair.

...ilikedots.....

Actually much of what I said has nothing to do with wicca. Nor did I say anything about shape-shifting, and pazuzu is of sumerian mythology.

Anyway, I think that when the little goth kids found out wicca wasnt about sacrificing babies/cats/blood etc... and "black magick" and whatever have you they decided to become the next coolest thing, either satanist or atheist.

I guess light, earth-based religion focused on being at peace with the world just wasn't cool. Kids(mainly 13 year old girls) thought they could get whatever they wanted, and when they realized it was just a bunch of shit they were reading, they left it.

Its because of stupid shit like this that wicca isn't treated as an established religion. I'm not a wiccan, but it just seems kinda dumb and unfair.

...ilikedots.....


What you posted may not have much to do with Wicca, but you did say what you believed in took on a wiccan/pagan slant. Still close enough for me, BlackEagle - and that's precisely what you asked. I draw very little distinction between magic, hocus-pocus, mythology and any other type of religion.

Human thought that takes on energy, then shape, then substance - is close enough to shape-shifting, for me. Pazuzu being conjured up in the mind as appearing with a lions head, scorpion's rear-end and a super-phallic endowment just to explain away fatal diseases - is about in the same league with me as giving credit to God for a flood or a "miracle", or assigning a conscious mover-and-shaker of the Universe to be intimately involved in human affairs.

The Goth kids of yesterday who called themselves Wiccan just because it had the connotations of "witch" may have been wrongly interpreting this belief system as "evil" ... but their being so eager to embrace it brings up a whole other phenomenon, IMO - the inability to break free from the belief in belief they've had established in their young minds at such an early age by their parents having indoctrinated them into it. It's hard to undo that kind of conditioning.

The trend I mentioned is pretty easy to finger, both in the initial motivation these kids found to become more pagan-like, and their quick retreat once they found out that it wasn't quite as macabre as they thought. Most kids were trained at an early age to believe in myth and magic through their parent's Judeo-Christian beliefs. With the judgmental restrictions and guilt-tripping of their parent's God already stamped in their brain, I could see how these not-quite-developed young thinkers thought they could somehow transcend their parent's belief by finding something more appealing, yet just as mystical to become the overpowering force in their life that offers them guidance and allows them to still practice belief in belief.

If it seems kind of dumb and unfair that misguided, ignorant teenagers have warped Wicca and other pagan beliefs, lessening it's authenticity and putting a hamper on it becoming an "established religion", then imagine how the other dozens of ancient religions feel about having all this New-Age spin thrust upon it's doctrines and used out of context. The more civilization advances, the wider the circle of religion, the more denominations added, the larger the unsubstantiated belief system.

That's what cinches the knot in secularism, for me - the fact that there stands to be such a wide interpretation (and blatant misunderstanding) of all forms of religious thought, so much that I've discerned from my exposure to it that it stands to reason that any form of dogma or mystical thinking is best left discarded.

Well done Femme. I agree, but I think you may have mis-interpreted my meaning. I believe in some of the things they do, but with much more logic and sense, IMO of course. For instance I don't believe that some deity(or incestuous pair or deities) created everything, I believe they(the deities) were created by us. I believe much more in science than you may think. I don't explain mundane things with "magical" methods. If you want details on my particular beliefs, I have written all of them out in a document (I got tired of talking so I just wrote it and told them to read). If you want, I can send it to you. Or possibly put a link to it.

In any case, I'm not going into more detail unless you ask. This is going off topic just a bit.

...ilikedots.....

I believe much more in science than you may think. I don't explain mundane things with "magical" methods. If you want details on my particular beliefs, I have written all of them out in a document (I got tired of talking so I just wrote it and told them to read). If you want, I can send it to you. Or possibly put a link to it.

My email is in my profile, or if you prefer, you can link it here. I'd be interested in hearing your views.

Although I'm an agnostic: To me, the term "God" generally means either.

A. an omnipotent genderless transcendent being that is everywhere

B. armsmerchants definition of god (roughly)

However, this can change depending on context in the conversation. Because of history, the abrahamic religions and the languages behind them, when people say "God" they sometimes mean a male and believe God to be so.

I interpret "God" as a genderless term. Look at the more obvious (and some of the more subtle) evolutionary purposes for having a gender, and think about it: why the hell would God (an omnipotent being beyond life on earth as we know it) have, or even need a gender? its ridiculous!

Some peoples God's have been assigned a gender: why? Human culture.

My email is in my profile, or if you prefer, you can link it here. I'd be interested in hearing your views.

I think it would be easier if I just sent it to you. If anyone else wants me to sent a document on my personal views, just let me know.Gah... damn it I deleted the thing I guess. You may have to wait while, sorry about that ha.

...ilikedots.....

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Hello Everyone,

If there is any discussion about Goddesses, I am not aware of it...

I have only seen discussions about believing or not beliving in God...

I'm almost certain that most everyone would agree that the word "God" implies a male gender...

So is there anyone out there that believes in a Goddess, instead of a male God ??

Regards,
Ancient One

I would argue that any divine being/thing/conscience/whatever
is completely devoid of sex, as sex is biologically constructed.

I believe in Goddess's and Gods. personally i feel there is too much for just one and i t makes more sense to me that there would be gender balance...

Hi Vanhalla,

Hello

Thanks for sharing your perspective... I found your reply interesting...
Great!

Do you then personally regard all of the God's and Goddesses of ancient mythology as "Ascended Masters" ??

Pretty much. Some of us are born with certain aspects of these forms of consciousness, so we resonate closer to what these symbols represent.

How about angels, do you also regard angels as "Ascended Masters" ??

Not quite.

Angelic beings are instruments of divine will, they have no free will, they simply execute the will of divinity. Humanity, like the One Mind which we are a smaller version of, too have divine will. So we can work with these angelic forces, or messengers/couriers/executors of divine will. The will of our monad is in perfect alignment with the Ultimate Monad, if you want to use that term, the divine you can call it. In the exploration of magick we learn to find our true will. Angelic magick is a form of putting divine will into action. Angels are available to all religions because they are a Universal force, all sparks of the divine, if properly aligned, can connect to these forces. They are beyond gender, duality, and polarity, all potentials they hold.

There are many ways to view it, this is the version I like.
Nine choirs divided into three spheres.

The First Sphere
You can call these heavenly counselors, or angels of contemplation. They are concerned with the workings of the universe and have little (no) contact with humanity.

1: Seraphim – They are at the throne of the Creator, singing the music of the celestial spheres. They contemplate divine order and providence.

2: Cherubim – Angels of wisdom, contemplating divine essence and form.

3: Thrones – They are angels of contemplation too, but they are also angels of action, which connects them to the next sphere. You could call them angels of divine justice.


The Second Sphere
You can think of these as heavenly governors, keeping the universe in order.

4: Dominations – Also known as Dominions, consists of the managers and architects of the angelic orders beneath them. They are an organizing force in the cosmos.

5: Virtues – They are said to literally infuse the world and all in it with spiritual energies, or what we call virtue. They are angles of miracles, encouragement, and blessings, particularly for those who are struggling with their faith.

6: Powers – Angels who maintain the harmony of the universe. You can think of them as angelic record keepers and historians, and the guides of religion and consciousness development. Of the second sphere the Powers have the most interaction with humanity. The Powers are responsible for maintaining the barter and balance between heaven and the material world.


The Third Sphere
Angels of the world, they function as messengers and guides. The last sphere has the most contact with humanity.


7: Principalities – The Principalities act as guardian angels to large collectives, like nations, communities, and religious organizations. They are the managers of the last order of angels (9) in this sphere.

8: Archangels – The guides and guards of larger areas of human activity. Each one rules a different province in life, from protection and healing to mercy or death. (This is the order that most magicians are concerned with.)

9: Angels *– Angels make up the order that is most closely associated with humanity, acting as protectors, healers, companions, teachers, guides, and intermediaries.


These concepts can be hard to grasp with intellectual mind, but it’s an interesting way to look at it non-the-less.

I may share with you more information on the Archangels one of these days. Those are the forces you’ll have a greater use of.


If so, does that mean that you believe that those beings in mythology known as God's and Goddesses were at one time ordinary people, like you and I ??

Those aspects of consciousness were manifest in physical form, yes.


I can't remember for certain, but is Goddess Bridget from the Roman tradition ??
Wasn't she also known for being a huntress ??

Ireland, Scotland, Norther Britain, in those areas.
"One aspect of Brigid is of poetess and muse, goddess of inspiration, learning, poetry, divination, witchcraft, occult knowledge. A second aspect of Brigid was as goddess of smithcraft, carrying a famous cauldron for this purpose. The third aspect of Brigid was that of healer, goddess of healing and medicine. These three aspects were united through the symbol of fire; thus here appellation as a fire goddess."
http://www.realmagick.com/articles/07/1807.html

Ancient One

Vanhalla

ms kundalini herself?

Conjuring non-human demons, shape-shifting, Pazuzu... I reckon that's about as Wiccan as one can get, BlackEagle.

Seems like about five or six years ago, Wiccan was the designer religion of choice for teenagers. Now, not so much. Did it peak, then trend out?

It's atheism now. Who the fuck knows what they'll botch next.

As to the OP, the Goddess is the God, and God is the Goddess. What difference does it make whether I think the foundation of reality has ovaries or testes? Does my opinion really affect the reality of it? Does perception truly alter reality, or simply my ability to accept said reality?

If you aren't happy with thinking of reality as genderless, by all means...give it a cock and balls or some ovaries and a love tunnel. Hell, give it a body and thoughts and feelings if it helps you accept it...because either way, you're stuck in it.

Good point on the Wiccans, AngryFemme. I'm your man.

I believe in the Universal Spirit, the One, the All, the Infinite, the Ultimate. I believe that as the Great Spirit is infinite, or at least close enough to it to encompass the Universe, you can get closer to understanding it by looking just about everywhere. As sex is a big part of human experience, the Wiccan tradition has tended to understand the Ultimate in terms of a male God and a female Goddess.

So anyway, as a Wiccan, I believe in the Goddess. Yeah.

Seems like about five or six years ago, Wiccan was the designer religion of choice for teenagers. Now, not so much. Did it peak, then trend out?
It's atheism now. Who the fuck knows what they'll botch next.
This.

Radharani, the consort of Krishna. And Lakshmi, of course.

Can't believe that a Wiccan hasn't piped in yet! Several years ago this place was teeming with them.

Ok, I'll bite.

I used to be Wiccan, but...after seeing the religion overflow with 13 year old "witches" (read: fucking morons), I just gave it up. I'm still technically pagan by faith, but I want to choke then life out of anybody who looks at me with a straight face and says they joined paganism after watching "The Craft"... *choke choke throttle gunshot gunshot gunshot choke choke*

I am surprised when I see some people actually believing in various Gods as in thinking that those Gods really exist and listen to them etc.

The way Gods and religions are supposed to be taken, imho, is as symbols and philosophies, outlooks on life and morals, and on seeing the world. Otherwise the whole religion thing just becomes silly.

E.g.: I quite like the Greek mythology and their "down-to-earth" Gods system and behaviour, and I like the ideals of beauty, perfection and the acceptance of human nature as a whole, without the whole "dirty bits" or "dirty pleasures" bullshit.
I obviously don't believe that a bunch of Gods sit on the clouds all day and play harps, but I would much rather worship Aphrodite (a.k.a. human female beauty) than a suffering man dying in front of me on a cross.

Nothing good can come out of building a religion around someone's pain and suffering, and making the ideal out of a suffering man. Whatever Jesus was trying to teach, I'm sure they got it all wrong.

All of the real Christians (those that truthfully believe and don't just associate themselves with the religion out of habit) that I've talked to about the gender of God have very sternly told me that He is male. Most of them were kind of offended, and seemed to believe that women were created as lesser beings when compared with men. Y'know, God made man in His image, and then altered that image in a way that did NOT resemble Him as closely.

What was surprising (at first) was that the female worshipers were much more open about their beliefs of men being superior. I realized after a while that it was because of the socialization of men living in a society where they could easily offend someone by saying such a thing. Women on the other hand really wouldn't offend most men by saying that, and most of them really wouldn't care what another woman has to say if she's disagreeing.

Wyoming: The Equality State.