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justglad2bhere
2008-04-04, 06:18
A hypodermic syringe would be inserted into the base to draw out the drink and the bomb mixture would be injected in its place.

A homemade detonator called hexamethylene triperoxide and also known as HMTD would be made from a mixture of household and commercial ingredients and disguised in AA batteries.


Bulbs and wires would connect the bomb mixture with disposable cameras to trigger a charge to set it off.

I don't doubt these dirtbags intent, but this description sounds like bullsh*t. HMDT isn't a det, as far as I know. Wouldn't they being using AP or MEKP?

warweed12
2008-04-04, 06:35
HMTD is a primary most often used as a replacment for people who can not get AP chems some say it's better alot say it's not ... why some dumb terrorist would pack a metal battery container with HMTD is beyound me unless they coated the inside with epoxy or somthing regardless sounds mighty ghey

not sure what they would use as a liquid explosive but regardless a full pop bottle would still suck uber bad

kiknet
2008-04-05, 06:45
not sure what they would use as a liquid explosive but regardless a full pop bottle would still suck uber bad

Yup, I think the most it would do is force an emergency landing and and an ambulance to collect an injured bomber

Also why bother putting HMTD in a METAL case when 1. Metal doesn't like HMTD 2. Metal will gain attention from metal detectors and 3. Plastic works just as good for containment

Von Bass
2008-04-05, 12:49
This caught my eye as being abnormally retarded - from what I can gather, they came up with the marvelous plan of using H2O2 of strong enough concentration to detonate. This, I'm led to believe, means that the H2O2 would have to be at least 50 - 60%, and apparently hydrogen peroxide strong enough to detonate is fairly unpredictable as to when it would.

Add to that the fact that I'm always searched when I go through an airport with batteries, and always asked to prove that they work, and you've got one retarded wannabe bomber. When will they realise that you could do far more damage with a bottle of mercury and a sheet of sand paper to an aluminium plane?

Eldorhan
2008-04-10, 10:39
HMTD is a primary most often used as a replacment for people who can not get AP chems some say it's better alot say it's not ... why some dumb terrorist would pack a metal battery container with HMTD is beyound me unless they coated the inside with epoxy or somthing regardless sounds mighty ghey

not sure what they would use as a liquid explosive but regardless a full pop bottle would still suck uber bad

It's not THAT godamn sensitive to metal. It's still relatively safe if used within 2-6 hours.

Most people seem to believe the instant you touch a peroxide with metal it goes "UHOH WTF BOOM". I've had AP stay on a metal spatula for 12+ hours and it didn't affect stability (well, relatively, but it certainly wasn't "touch n boom").

A full bottle of MEKP could do MUCH damage.


I don't doubt these dirtbags intent, but this description sounds like bullsh*t. HMDT isn't a det, as far as I know. Wouldn't they being using AP or MEKP?

Except for DDNP or maybe even PETN in some cases (and i don't think the average hobbyist has enough connections to get Pentaerythritol), most detonators are packet full of peroxides with a small booster (NC, AN, etc). (for the terrorist/hobbyist).

Hum. Well. Maybe i shouldn't say this but if you're looking for a source of PETN without attracting too much unwanted attention, look for "Lentonitrat" heart medicine ;)

Hospitals usually pack these boxes in small amounts around IVs.

K9
2008-04-10, 18:28
Pentaerythritol isn't actually that hard to get if you know where to look. And I used HMTD for a while since it was just so easy to make and worked well for what I needed.

Eldorhan
2008-04-10, 19:18
Pentaerythritol isn't actually that hard to get if you know where to look. And I used HMTD for a while since it was just so easy to make and worked well for what I needed.

Depends on your location really. In belgium i could order nicotine sulfate without id while getting "basic carded" (age verification) for hydrazine hydrate :O.

I put it that way so that american buyers, restricted of buying anything useful since 9/11, would find a way to cope with it.

PETN isn't really lovely if you ask me. I prefer a basic charge of RDX or HMX, set off by an HMTD/w AN/Tetracene booster, but it's just me :-)