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HellzShellz
2008-04-18, 16:34
Religion, stands aloof from the teachings of the Messiah.
*They have their rules, their regulations, and their prideful obedience to the laws of their sect. What does this profit? It's obvious that religious people don't need the Messiah. I mean, they can do it on their own!? All they have to do is follow their code of conduct, and guess what? They do it themselves. You can tell a religious person, when they start to name off the GOOD things they do, and the BAD things they don't do. Bringing GLORY to themselves, and bringing low those who haven't kept the law like they have. This gives them a sense of being better than or greater than humanity.*
**For those who live a life in sin. They don't have rules, they have 'freedom' which is really bondage to self, the SAME as religious people. I do not define an unbeliever and a religious person all that differently. Both are interest in living how they can benefit themselves, or what they believe can. Instant Gratification. Rather it's a fleeting moment of feeling good, or a prideful countenance of 'being' good. **

-God looked at the world, and seen that all the thoughts of men were sinful. They were bound to the fallen human state of continual sin. So He sent the Messiah. Emmanuel. God with us. Not only to make a way for US, but to show us the Way. Yes, Faith without works is dead. When's the last time you laid hands on someone and persisted in prayer until something broke and their healing was birthed? No, You can't stand in Faith, and have confidence before the throne room of God if you're willfully in disobendience to Him. You do have to humble yourself. Admit your sin, and determine to obey. It's a heart attitude.

Point is, the Messiah came to REPRESENT God to the WORLD. Re-present Him. Then, told us to re-present Him to the world. Not to try and measure up or be Him. The Messiah is the standard. Not law. But the kicker is, as soon as you became a believer, GOD didn't look at you ANY DIFFERENT from the Messiah. He knew every sin you'd make before you did it, and yet He ALREADY cast is as far as the east is from the west, BEFORE you did it.

Does God want to bring glory to man? Does He want us walking around in an arrogance that peverts His holy Justice, and tender Mercy? No, He wants us to bring Glory to Him. Anything you do Apart from the Messiah will be burned to ash. Rather it's smoking pot, drinking, or obeying laws. It's NOTHING. It's what you do WITH Him. Rather it's all of the above. I'm sure we know what God would and wouldn't want us to do. What does and doesn't profit His kindgom. IF you don't, Holler back and I'll give you a scripture that will tell you. Why bring Glory to Him? Does that make God arrogant? No it doesn't. God isn't a God with a low self-esteem. What it does is RE-PRESENT Him to the world so He can have relationships with the individuals He loves and died for.


Classify yourself as to where you fall. Prideful, Indifferent, or Humbled by His Love.

Xerxes89
2008-04-18, 17:54
Faith without works is a good philosophy, that I can observe to be true.

I know this is the religion board, but you're speaking about gods/messiahs as if you "know" them to be true. The only problem is: I can "believe" (faith, etc.) that I can shoot red lasers out of my eyes, but I do not "know" that to be true. As a result, belief/faith does not encapsulate TRUTH, making it a foolish endeavor. So I don't understand why you state your beliefs as they were facts... :(

ArmsMerchant
2008-04-18, 19:05
OP does a creditable job of presenting the Piscean Age mindset. It is obsolete.

In my reality, God wants nothing, and has no preference regarding our behavior, save that it represent our greatest and grandest conception of Self.

God is, by definition, infinite--and hence cannot want for anything.

Hexadecimal
2008-04-18, 19:22
God gets all the credit. He's my foundation. And I'm only able to build my house because He gives the tools, the supplies, the body, the initiative and every other trait of my being that makes it possible. If anything, I am but an observer of the wonders He can work through this body.

AM, so the Piscean Age is done with...all that really changes is the popular concept of God. God's still the same it has always been. Yin and Yang, Father and Mother, Creator and Destroyer. Alpha and Omega.

HellzShellz
2008-04-18, 19:45
Faith without works is a good philosophy, that I can observe to be true.

I know this is the religion board, but you're speaking about gods/messiahs as if you "know" them to be true. The only problem is: I can "believe" (faith, etc.) that I can shoot red lasers out of my eyes, but I do not "know" that to be true. As a result, belief/faith does not encapsulate TRUTH, making it a foolish endeavor. So I don't understand why you state your beliefs as they were facts... :(

Ya know.. Typically I would avoid this. I'm like that. I pick and choose things I will and will not hear, like there's something to fear, but I'm not afraid anymore. You'll notice if you see how selective I am with what I read and post to on here.

You need to define faith. Biblically according to...

Hebrews 11:1
ASV Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen.
TNIV Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
CEV Faith makes us sure of what we hope for and gives us proof of what we cannot see.
NASB Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
KJV Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.
AMP NOW FAITH is the assurance (the confirmation, the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses].

I personally admire the Amplified. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, everything there is that can be hoped for that's faith, AND that's not all faith is, faith brings about a CONVICTION, faith becomes THE EVIDENCE of things we don't see.

We hope for it, because it can be hoped for then faith takes what it hopes for and believes it into reality.

HOPE is earnest expectation.


Psalm 27:14
Wait and hope for and expect the Lord; be brave and of good courage and let your heart be stout and enduring. Yes, wait for and hope for and expect the Lord.

That just brings out hope. Like a child waiting and HOPING for their parents to get home. THey know that they're coming home, so they wait EARNESTLY ANTICIPATING AND DEPENDING UPON their arrival.

You don't have faith, if you don't have it NOW. If you don't believe you're shooting red lasers out of your eyes NOW you don't have faith. Because you're not bringing into reality. BELIEVEING it there. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but that's what FAITH is. The SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR, and the EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEE, PERCIEVEING AS REAL FACT WHAT IS NOT REVEALED TO THE SENSES.

HellzShellz
2008-04-18, 19:47
OP does a creditable job of presenting the Piscean Age mindset. It is obsolete.

In my reality, God wants nothing, and has no preference regarding our behavior, save that it represent our greatest and grandest conception of Self.

God is, by definition, infinite--and hence cannot want for anything.

God wants love, and family. MY Lord, Jesus CHrist, Yeshua the Messiah, wants his love already provided in every way to be accepted by the ones He loves, and for them to TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD DAY AND NIGHT AND DEMAND AND BELIEVE HIS PROMISES INTO EFFECT.

ArmsMerchant
2008-04-18, 20:13
Okay, fine, whatever--enough with the ALL CAPS already.

May God save me from his fanatical followers.

H a r o l d
2008-04-18, 20:34
fucking crazy bitch

quoted for truth

redzed
2008-04-18, 21:45
Religion, stands aloof from the teachings of the Messiah.


Classify yourself as to where you fall. Prideful, Indifferent, or Humbled by His Love.

Constantly humbled by Love!:) I see where you are coming from HS, the form of language you use sometimes comes across as aggressive, even confrontational? Agreed on 'Religion', when applied to the formal creeds, they are what is obsolete!

Cheers:)

Hexadecimal
2008-04-18, 23:35
HellzShellz, do you have an AIM/MSN I could talk to you on?

Or an e-mail? Hit me up at atma.sephira@gmail.com

godfather89
2008-04-19, 00:15
Faith without works is a good philosophy, that I can observe to be true.

I know this is the religion board, but you're speaking about gods/messiahs as if you "know" them to be true. The only problem is: I can "believe" (faith, etc.) that I can shoot red lasers out of my eyes, but I do not "know" that to be true. As a result, belief/faith does not encapsulate TRUTH, making it a foolish endeavor. So I don't understand why you state your beliefs as they were facts... :(

I dont find it to be a good idea, if you are confident in Christ than you are confident in his teachings, if you are confident in his teachings than you follow through with his teachings, if you dont act on his teachings than you have no faith in Christ.

Just to follow up on your commentary and directing it to the Topic Starter: This is why we need to know, this knowledge of course itself cannot be tangibly proven however, you know something that God has given you and because, of that God will give you the knowledge of God and when that happens your faith is complete, your are confident in something that you know, this knowledge is given to you by God and you have a true faith in what was given to you.

AngryFemme
2008-04-19, 11:56
HellzShellz, do you have an AIM/MSN I could talk to you on?

I knew it was only a matter of time. Talk about a match made in e-heaven!

Try to keep it clean, you two. God is watching.

BrokeProphet
2008-04-19, 23:49
I smell the beginnings of a cult.

Where should I start a thread taking bets on who drinks the koolaid first?

I wasn't even going to post here, as it the whole thread is the self indulgent topic started by an ego-centric personal ideal of "I practice faith correctly and you do not"

What is amazing is that this self indulgent rant is based on the fact that "other" religious folks, cater to their selves entirely to much, even equating the freedom of a non-believer to being slavery to the self.

The concept behind the ego inflated rhetoric Hellz, is laughable.

HellzShellz
2008-04-20, 22:56
I knew it was only a matter of time. Talk about a match made in e-heaven!

Try to keep it clean, you two. God is watching.

I do love your personality! I missed yo butt too.

Hexadecimal
2008-04-21, 04:08
I knew it was only a matter of time. Talk about a match made in e-heaven!

Try to keep it clean, you two. God is watching.

Hehe, nice. If you were on SnA, you'd know my heart has already chosen a woman.