DerDrache
2008-04-18, 18:54
I frequent this forum called how-to-learn-any-language. There's a nice sized community of people that try different techniques and what not, and one of the most popular things people there like to use is a method called "Listening-Reading". It builds all of your language skills simultaneously, and it's effective. I haven't done it long enough to see these kind of results yet, but according to other users, after you've done it for a few weeks (totaling 30+ hours) you start seeing really large improvements. Apparently it takes beginners to intermediate levels, people at the intermediate level to the advanced level, and advanced speakers to fluency.
You need audio in the target language (ie. an audiobook, or a shitload of recorded articles, perhaps), a written version in the target language, identical to the audio, and a written version in your native language, which should be a decent translation (it doesn't have to be perfect though).
Acquiring those resources it's the biggest obstacle, though for most languages they are readily available.
The method:
Read a segment of the version in your native language and internalize it. Then play the audio while scanning the target-language version with your eyes. Your goal should be to seperate and identify each word as you are listening. Do this two or three times if needed. Next, go back to the translation and replay the segment while reading the translation. Do this several times, as it's important in learning the new words.
Next, you're going to go back to the target-language version and try to shadow the speaker (ie. imitate his/her pronunciation). You should also refer to the translation if there are some words that are still meaningless for you.
Once you are finished with a segment, you should know it to the point where you could translate it into English and vice-versa. I'd recommend that you already know the target-language's phonetics and basic grammar before starting this, though apparently it does work for people that have absolutely no knowledge of their target language.
Also note that based on your level, it will take a long time to get through whatever you're reading. Your goal is to internalize the text and audio, so...slowly getting through the book/article isn't a problem. I should also point out that you are NOT trying to actively memorize anything. Your goals are to understand the segment in the target-language in both written and spoken form, and to be able to repeat the segment yourself. Fortunately, the end-result is some level of memorization (but passive, not active).
I've been doing this for Russian recently...I'm at an intermediate level feor the most part (by my uni's standards anyways), but I want to get passive comprehension of spoken Russian, and I want to improve my vocabulary. I have definitely noticed improved vocab, though I haven't done this for nearly long enough to see the gains in listening comprehension. I'll update you guys in May as to how I've progressed. For reference, as of now I listen to radio shows and don't understand the topic at all, and I can watch movies and have a basic idea of what is being said. My hope is that within several weeks I'll be able to reasonably follow a radio show or news report.
Let me know what you think. Skepticism is not welcome unless you've tried the method.
And if you want to give it a try, I'm currently using Russian articles on this site, and after I'm going to read through Master & Margarita: http://www.russianlessons.net/articles/index.php
I'd be interested in hearing more abuot how this works for complete beginners in a language.
You need audio in the target language (ie. an audiobook, or a shitload of recorded articles, perhaps), a written version in the target language, identical to the audio, and a written version in your native language, which should be a decent translation (it doesn't have to be perfect though).
Acquiring those resources it's the biggest obstacle, though for most languages they are readily available.
The method:
Read a segment of the version in your native language and internalize it. Then play the audio while scanning the target-language version with your eyes. Your goal should be to seperate and identify each word as you are listening. Do this two or three times if needed. Next, go back to the translation and replay the segment while reading the translation. Do this several times, as it's important in learning the new words.
Next, you're going to go back to the target-language version and try to shadow the speaker (ie. imitate his/her pronunciation). You should also refer to the translation if there are some words that are still meaningless for you.
Once you are finished with a segment, you should know it to the point where you could translate it into English and vice-versa. I'd recommend that you already know the target-language's phonetics and basic grammar before starting this, though apparently it does work for people that have absolutely no knowledge of their target language.
Also note that based on your level, it will take a long time to get through whatever you're reading. Your goal is to internalize the text and audio, so...slowly getting through the book/article isn't a problem. I should also point out that you are NOT trying to actively memorize anything. Your goals are to understand the segment in the target-language in both written and spoken form, and to be able to repeat the segment yourself. Fortunately, the end-result is some level of memorization (but passive, not active).
I've been doing this for Russian recently...I'm at an intermediate level feor the most part (by my uni's standards anyways), but I want to get passive comprehension of spoken Russian, and I want to improve my vocabulary. I have definitely noticed improved vocab, though I haven't done this for nearly long enough to see the gains in listening comprehension. I'll update you guys in May as to how I've progressed. For reference, as of now I listen to radio shows and don't understand the topic at all, and I can watch movies and have a basic idea of what is being said. My hope is that within several weeks I'll be able to reasonably follow a radio show or news report.
Let me know what you think. Skepticism is not welcome unless you've tried the method.
And if you want to give it a try, I'm currently using Russian articles on this site, and after I'm going to read through Master & Margarita: http://www.russianlessons.net/articles/index.php
I'd be interested in hearing more abuot how this works for complete beginners in a language.