Yesterday, I checked this book out of the library..

I was rather high as I cracked the book open late at night, and I have to say I couldn't stop reading until page 75.

It felt great, liberating almost, and the blank pages floored the shit out of me.

After that, however, the author paints too perfect a picture of God. I can't explain it, but this is where my suspension of disbelief ended.. I wanted to believe it so bad, but I read it and he talked about how all of our conflicts are solved before they even occurred, and how great everything was.

I could not help but think this was pretty ignorant to think.. it seemed to ignore the fact that Africa (and some other fucked up places) existed... given the number of children that go hungry, and the injustices that are ignored every day.. it was simply unbelievable to me.

The people who live in true poverty only wish they could have all of our "problems"... they are really not problems at all, if you think about it. and I threw the book across the room and went to bed.

I'm not insulting the book. It opened my eyes in more ways than one. At the very least, the first 75 pages was just a condensed version of all of the reasons organized religion is so fucked up, all put together. So that was nice.

Whoever it was that mentioned it.. could you tell me how you find the ideas to be true when there are people who are so so unlucky in this world..

I forgot who posted about the book so .. I made a rather useless thread, although I'd say the first 75 pages are a great read for anyone regardless of faith, it doesn't reveal any new radical ideas in these, it is just basically a list of misguided ideals which are practiced in the world because they feel it is "what god wants."

No propaganda or anything, just seriously.. telling it how it is, all in one place in the book. It's not so much of an eye opener (considering we pretty much know it all) as all of these things listed so you can read it all and realize how many HORRIBLE things are done "in God's name."

If God exists.. he does not want those things, anyone who thinks God is good can see that. Yet, those who think God is good are the ones who are doing them.

If anyone can point me in the right direction on who it was, I could just talk to them about in whatever thread I read about it in, we could close this thread and move on.

You can't find those ideas to be true unless you're willing to accept otherwise paradoxical, flawed, or circular logic.

Oh, and walk around with your thumb up your ass asking everyone else to give you answers. That and a likelyhood that you'll succumb to society can help produce the doublethink (thank you Orwell) necessary for proper religious thought.

The fact of the matter is God isn't up there, he's not watching, and if he created the universe he has no control over it right now.

The Christian God of the Bible is omnipotent yes? Then he would be in all things, all ideologies, all religious texts, and even atheist writing would be "of God" if monotheism were correct in its premise. This is not true.

God is all-knowing, all powerful, and all-present, and as you ask, why is there evil in the world? Well, all you're going to hear from the zealous are excuses..

"The devil got the better of him" - yeah bite me, that's not possible according to the Bible.


"God is just testing us" - THIS kind of kid-with-a-magnifying glass is EXACTLY what creates atheists in the first place.

What kind of sick fuck tortures his small, weak creatures in hopes they'll continously worship him in fear of his nigh DESIRE( or at least predisposition) to send us to hell

The list will continue but do your best to retain your sanity and stand ground, even if everyone in the world believed in God, it still wouldn't make it true unless there was real empirical evidence of his existence (of which there is none, except what is mentioned in the Bible, although it seems God hasn't shown his face around here for the last couple thousand years).





Edit: Don't let people tell you the evil in the world is caused by man's greed/desire/wtfever and that all the God in the world is caused by God. I'm just throwing that out there because people like to toss that stupid argument back and forth in order to get around the real subject: God doesn't exist.

"Too perfect" a picture of God? Great zotz, God is kind of SUPPOSED to be perfect--part of the job description and all.

WGW is a wonderful book--if everyone would read and heed it, the world would be healed. OP, I strongly suggest you re-read the book when you are not loaded.

Oh, and luck? No such thing. We create our own reality. Thing is, the world situation is part of consensual reality. There is genocidal fighting and mass rape going on in Africa because we as a species have given it our tacit approval.

At a personal level, we attract what we think about, regardless of whether or not we DESIRE it. Hence the saying, "we attract what we fear". And "what we resist, persists." I see this happening with me on a daily basis. Thus for me--in my reality--the law of attraction works just fine and dandy.

However, to speculate about why things we judge as "bad" happens to others is pointless, a sort of metaphysical masturbation. We usually know nothing about anyone else's soul agenda--heck, I have trouble enough figuring out my own. Likewise, we know nothing about another's karma, nothing about their fears.

Why would God want anything?

Why would God want anything?

Maybe it has a will?

It's like asking why the magical teapot orbiting the sun is white...it's just things people make up. But yes, for most people's made up stories, 'god' has a will and wants x or y.

God exists. It's really just that simple for me. What does He want? Fuck if I know. I don't pretend, at least in my real life, to have the slightest clue. On here though...well, it's the internet, why not have some fun?

You can't find those ideas to be true unless you're willing to accept otherwise paradoxical, flawed, or circular logic.

Oh, and walk around with your thumb up your ass asking everyone else to give you answers. That and a likelyhood that you'll succumb to society can help produce the doublethink (thank you Orwell) necessary for proper religious thought.

The fact of the matter is God isn't up there, he's not watching, and if he created the universe he has no control over it right now.

The Christian God of the Bible is omnipotent yes? Then he would be in all things, all ideologies, all religious texts, and even atheist writing would be "of God" if monotheism were correct in its premise. This is not true.

God is all-knowing, all powerful, and all-present, and as you ask, why is there evil in the world? Well, all you're going to hear from the zealous are excuses..

"The devil got the better of him" - yeah bite me, that's not possible according to the Bible.


"God is just testing us" - THIS kind of kid-with-a-magnifying glass is EXACTLY what creates atheists in the first place.

What kind of sick fuck tortures his small, weak creatures in hopes they'll continously worship him in fear of his nigh DESIRE( or at least predisposition) to send us to hell

The list will continue but do your best to retain your sanity and stand ground, even if everyone in the world believed in God, it still wouldn't make it true unless there was real empirical evidence of his existence (of which there is none, except what is mentioned in the Bible, although it seems God hasn't shown his face around here for the last couple thousand years).

Edit: Don't let people tell you the evil in the world is caused by man's greed/desire/wtfever and that all the God in the world is caused by God. I'm just throwing that out there because people like to toss that stupid argument back and forth in order to get around the real subject: God doesn't exist.

☺ God loves you.

Why would God want anything?

I can agree with that much of the book. If he exists, he doesn't want anything.. or he would have asked....

flawed creator?
If God/Everything, were perfect, we wouldn't have freewill, thus no suffering, pain, and all that other stuff people think of as bad.

What does God need with a Starship?

I feel that God just wants us to "play nice." In the new testament Jesus is always running around breaking all the batshit rules the Jews made a part of their religion and law and at the same time being nice to people unconditionally.

Also I'm open to the idea that God is not perfect because of the existence of Lucifer. I mean come on if God knew everything that is, was, and will be, than he knew that Lucifer was going to be a huge douche before he even said, "Let there be light."

Either that or that is how God gave us freewill by throwing in a chaos factor so everything isn't perfect.

Let's all pretend we know what God wants so when we make mistakes we have trouble admitting it and moving down a different path. Does this sound like a plan to you guys?

After all, we've all seen that mountains don't weather...right?

Why be fluid and use our small amount of freedom to adapt as needed when we can be proud and self-righteous?

God exists. It's really just that simple for me. What does He want? Fuck if I know. I don't pretend, at least in my real life, to have the slightest clue. On here though...well, it's the internet, why not have some fun?

Why even believe or follow then?

Why even believe or follow then?

Why not?

I'd also like to second that I don't think God wants everything. I can't see what's wrong with that.

flawed creator?
If God/Everything, were perfect, we wouldn't have freewill, thus no suffering, pain, and all that other stuff people think of as bad.

I have been taught, and accept as true, that there is perfection in every situation.

People experience pain and/or suffering because they choose to do so, out of fear or ignorance.

I got a theory...


The bible says god is love.

so what is love.

again, according to the bible:
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

The bible was written by men, and thus should be taken with a grain of salt. But we can still reasonable draw something from this. Love is not an emotion. Its a choice. If god is love, then that would require by this definition, some entity to be kind too, to not be envious of and so forth. it requires at least one other entity, an entity that can CHOOSE to love back. Thus humanity, thus free-will. God want our love in return.

Why does god allow bad shit if he loves us. Honestly, I agree, this seems really fucked up. THe only thing I can consider is a twofold. 1. He wants the world to be terrible and dirty so that heaven an be viewed as the the eternity of beauty its supposedly is. 2. Having a world with evil, without love. Allows for those with freewill to act according to love. If there was not a man on the side fo the road that needed my help, how could I show love to him, and help him. Its a fucked up, backwards way of looking at it. But its
Its all I have been able to think of.

I have been taught, and accept as true, that there is perfection in every situation.

People experience pain and/or suffering because they choose to do so, out of fear or ignorance.

The Universe is Perfect

I don’t know what I was thinking.
Flawed Creator? HA!!
I look into my table as I listen to my musik.
How cold this be wrong?
Sure it could be different.
But how could it be wrong!?
Millions of constellations
These vibrational patterns of existence
That is what we are after all, vibrational patterns of existence.
The music of God’s amazing symphony.
Beautiful it is
How could it be anything BUT?
It is here
And I can hear it
The harmony of perfection
The beautiful balance of infintus!
I can feel it
0+0=not what you would expect.
This balance = One Uni All Perfect God
Love is what I feel.
For this opportunity through freewill to accept the universe for what it truly IS.
Absorbed by its undescribable perfection
Do Not fight it with your childish rebellion. HA! Yea, whining and complaining, “Oh my, death and disease, organisms without mouths, OH MY, I HATE YOU for this horrible pathetic attempt at creation! Why, If I was God things , would be SO MUCH BETTER, Yea, If I were God, Oh my, perfection is what truly would BE!”
You poor poor fool, how sorry I feel for you, stand back please, And look at this mary go round full of ALL grace, Wonderful. Yea, Wonderful I exclaim!
I LOVE YOU GOD ONE LOVE!
Beautiful thou Art and nothing I could ask more. Wonderful I exclaim my love for YOU!

P.S
I am extremely drunk right now BUT PLEASE don’t not take heed of this messages imprint upon your mind fore this expression is truly that of an important ONE take heed! HEED I SAY!

I am extremely drunk right now

Clearly.

Clearly.

Everclearly?

Everclearly?

That flew over my head the first time I read it. Swoosh!

^Actually, it speaks well of you that you didn't get it the first time.

THe only thing I can consider is a twofold. 1. He wants the world to be terrible and dirty so that heaven an be viewed as the the eternity of beauty its supposedly is. 2. Having a world with evil, without love. Allows for those with freewill to act according to love. If there was not a man on the side fo the road that needed my help, how could I show love to him, and help him. Its a fucked up, backwards way of looking at it. But its
Its all I have been able to think of.



damn, for an acolyte that's pretty good.

damn, for an acolyte that's pretty good.

We musn't assume that acolytes are just misinformed derelicts who can't string together sentences or coherent thought.

(And that's despite the fact that Totse history reveals otherwise)