In this thread ask me any question about anything related to god.

Atheists are most welcome.

Why is he such an inconsiderate douche? (ex: birth defects, children born with terminal illnesses, etc)

What makes you think there is a god?

How is he omnipotent? yet.. clearly not.

What is it? Please, in describing, try to use extra-linguistic language, if possible, and avoid cryptic and ambiguous language.

If he is almighty, can he create a stone so big that himself cannot lift?

Who crated him? Where he comes from?

Why doesn't he create solid proofs of his existence, in order to make people like me believe in him?

Why is he such an inconsiderate douche? (ex: birth defects, children born with terminal illnesses, etc)

KARMA and natural selection.

NEXT.

What makes you think there is a god?

The more you look around, the more you realize that you are LIMITED. Limited in the sense that you cant CREATE things on your own, like the nature does. You like any other living being are subjected to a limit from which you can never ever arise.

Yes there is GOD and he is VISHNU.

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How is he omnipotent? yet.. clearly not.

what is the problem? cant you think of two things at the same time? like hearing music and replying on forums?? Iam giving a dead low answer but its only to make you understand how god's omnipotence can be.


[quote]What is it? Please, in describing, try to use extra-linguistic language, if possible, and avoid cryptic and ambiguous language.[quote]

Its impossible to describe vishnu. We with our five senses cant know or describe god. To know what GOD is, you have to ask god himself.

[quote]
If he is almighty, can he create a stone so big that himself cannot lift?

Who crated him? Where he comes from?

Why doesn't he create solid proofs of his existence, in order to make people like me believe in him?[quote]


1) A god can make a stone so big that he can and cannot lift it.

If you can understand the above sentence well and good. Its hard for humans to communicate and explain things in english language coz its very limited. Please understand that iam not trying to not give you the answer.

2) He was always there. He never came, he never goes.

3) You are on the lowest level a human can be. The question you are asking is from you LOGIC. What if GOD is beyond your logic and senses? what then? The vedas have investigated throughly the working of GOD, and have said again and again you cant use logic or your five senses to know god but you can go above your senses to get a GLIMPSE of what GOD can BE.

KARMA and natural selection.

NEXT.

Ohh.. I thought you were talking about the Judeo-Christian god...

Well your god is still a douche.

Why do people not see that basing your life on religion is just a self-profiling prophesy?

how do you reconcile omnipotence and omniscience?

They are clearly incompatible

KARMA and natural selection.

NEXT.



The more you look around, the more you realize that you are LIMITED. Limited in the sense that you cant CREATE things on your own, like the nature does. You like any other living being are subjected to a limit from which you can never ever arise.

Yes there is GOD and he is VISHNU.

NEXT



what is the problem? cant you think of two things at the same time? like hearing music and replying on forums?? Iam giving a dead low answer but its only to make you understand how god's omnipotence can be.


What is it? Please, in describing, try to use extra-linguistic language, if possible, and avoid cryptic and ambiguous language.

Its impossible to describe vishnu. We with our five senses cant know or describe god. To know what GOD is, you have to ask god himself.


If he is almighty, can he create a stone so big that himself cannot lift?

Who crated him? Where he comes from?

Why doesn't he create solid proofs of his existence, in order to make people like me believe in him?


1) A god can make a stone so big that he can and cannot lift it.

If you can understand the above sentence well and good. Its hard for humans to communicate and explain things in english language coz its very limited. Please understand that iam not trying to not give you the answer.

2) He was always there. He never came, he never goes.

3) You are on the lowest level a human can be. The question you are asking is from you LOGIC. What if GOD is beyond your logic and senses? what then? The vedas have investigated throughly the working of GOD, and have said again and again you cant use logic or your five senses to know god but you can go above your senses to get a GLIMPSE of what GOD can BE.

Shut the fuck up hindu. There is plenty other religions that are less stupid then your polytheistic cow-worshiping cult.

The more you look around, the more you realize that you are LIMITED. Limited in the sense that you cant CREATE things on your own, like the nature does. You like any other living being are subjected to a limit from which you can never ever arise.

THAT is why you believe in god? Everything is limited in some respect, even god cannot 'be and not be' at the same time.

Also, if we cannot use our senses to understand god, then how it is experienced? It seems you are supporting absolute rationalism in terms of god. So god must be some sort of innate understanding, so then why read texts and why are there so many various understandings of god and complete denials of god's existence?

i want you to admit that "there may not be a god"

go on... do it

Why is the OP an acolyte who thinks he knows shit?

What's he doing on the weekend? Mother fucker won't answer his cell.

swissblade please stop answering people's question. you know nothing about God, if you mean the Christian one.

karma? wtf? that isn't Christianity.

EDIT: Okay so you were actually talking about hinduism. My bad.

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what is the problem? cant you think of two things at the same time? like hearing music and replying on forums?? Iam giving a dead low answer but its only to make you understand how god's omnipotence can be.


I don't like being bullshitted, that is NOT omniscience or omnipotence. Religion is a wish upon a falling star and nothing more. stop lying to us.

OP neglected to define god. Many posters assumed he spoke of the traditonal, petty micro-managing deity portrayed in the Bible. This is an obsolete artifact of the Piscean Age which should not be taken seriously.

For more details on this, see the seven faces of God thread, among others.

What came first, the observer or the observed?

What came first, the observer or the observed?

observe yr observer and soon you will see
there is no observer, not you, not me

God can only exist in the minds of humanity
therefore we created God not the other way around.

But I do believe in creation and that we are a product of it.

We definitley have a part to play in the universe. There are too many convienent coincidences for it just to be random happenstance.

Whatever that is I'm not sure but one thing I do know the OP is not qualified to answer any questions on God or any other diety whether real or imagined.

Why would God only give his message to one specific group of people while allowing others to worship 'false' Gods and thus damning them to hell?

Why didn't God give any hint of monotheistic religion to the North American Indians, knowing that this lack of knowledge would be THE key difference in being considered 'human' when eventually they came into contact with Western European 'Godly' nations?

For the thousands of years before Jesus, or even before the legends of the old testament were passed down - did everyone live in sin? Would everybody from those time periods be in purgatory since they were never baptized?

Why did God allow some societies, again Western Europeans, to develop steel making, gunpowder, advanced warfare, and germs while leaving other societies relatively undeveloped and completely open to invasion/eradication?

Why would God only give his message to one specific group of people while allowing others to worship 'false' Gods and thus damning them to hell?

Why didn't God give any hint of monotheistic religion to the North American Indians, knowing that this lack of knowledge would be THE key difference in being considered 'human' when eventually they came into contact with Western European 'Godly' nations?

For the thousands of years before Jesus, or even before the legends of the old testament were passed down - did everyone live in sin? Would everybody from those time periods be in purgatory since they were never baptized?

Why did God allow some societies, again Western Europeans, to develop steel making, gunpowder, advanced warfare, and germs while leaving other societies relatively undeveloped and completely open to invasion/eradication?

First of all, the Bible is not an authoritative source vis a vis info about God--the petty deity portrayed therein in an obsolete artifat of the Piscean Age.

Two , some tribes did have monotheistic religions--the "great Spirit" and all that. My tribe, the Muscogee Nation, recognizes one supreme being, the creator/sustainer we call the Master of Breath.

In general, God ""allows" all manner of inhumane behavior on the part of humanity because one, we have free will and two, we create our own reality. "Sin" is a myth--there is no such thing.

3) You are on the lowest level a human can be. The question you are asking is from you LOGIC. What if GOD is beyond your logic and senses? what then? The vedas have investigated throughly the working of GOD, and have said again and again you cant use logic or your five senses to know god but you can go above your senses to get a GLIMPSE of what GOD can BE.

This is what every religionist is finally reduced to in conversations with atheists about their religion. After you've tried your damnedest to show using logic and human reasoning that your God exists, that your religion is the correct one, and so on-- you're eventually backed into a corner from which you can only reply that "Science, human faculties for understanding, logic--these are all insufficient mechanisms for understanding God."

Now, in this conversation you haven't been backed into a corner like that yet (I'm assuming; I didn't read the whole thing) but you are trying to reason through his existence and communicate the rationale for believing in him to other people. My question is, considering that you find humans fully incapable of coming to know God, and all of our instruments for understanding the world around us which lead us to a naturalistic conclusion are flawed, then why are you sitting here trying to justify your faith?

why am i so fat?

If I pray hard enough, can I rent zombie Jesus for my nephew's birthday party?

1.Why is he such an inconsiderate douche? (ex: birth defects, children born with terminal illnesses, etc)

While a large topic of debate there are 2 short answers I have heard. Ones, is all evil is the product of humanity and the devil. This brings up a whole bunch of "why does god allow it' questions. If you want to take the bible in literal value (always a bad idea) then the book of job says god 'allowed' the devil to torment Job so Job could prove his faithfulness. The other answer is that if we dont see what ugly looks like. How can we know what beauty looks like (heaven/god). To be honest, this is the single question that has shaken my faith more then any other.

2.What makes you think there is a god?

I wonder sometimes if my only 'good' reason is that I am only faithful because its what I have done for so long. I have some bullshit reasons like. "It feels right' or "god touched me" (where? lol). More then that though its two things. The first is a story my father told me about hearing god, clear as day one night a few years after I was born. At the time, as is still mostly true, my father was/is my favorite person on this planet so I have no doubt he heard what he heard. If it was god or not. Dont know. The other is my wife, she is the definition of 'fucked over' with all her medical problems, but the strength she displays is not something I can dismiss as coincidence. I'm sorry these are not good hard facts but they are what make ME think there is a god.

3. How is he omnipotent? yet.. clearly not.

Im going to assume you mean that he has the power to make all things better on this earth. And for that I guess my answer for # 1 has to suffice.

4. What is it?

The most clear and non-bullshit definition of god is love.
If you take all things that are TRUE love. Then you have god. Love for a child from a mother, from a father, between spouses. between friends. All that love, if it were cramed into a single being, is god.

5. If he is almighty, can he create a stone so big that himself cannot lift?

Your putting god in a box with this question. The base of it is this, is god so powerful he can contradict himself. And as best as I can tell, no he is not. This may mean he is not powerful enough or he is too powerful. But the answer is already there. He is in essence TOO powerful, to be made less so. The other way to look at it is. He did already. If Jesus, a man, is also god. Then Jesus could not possible lift a mountain. Except he spoke of having a faith so great that he could. So I dont know.

6. Who crated him? Where he comes from?

No one knows. Ask him. I like to wonder if he has always existed. Or if there is a system of power much larger then us.

7. Why doesn't he create solid proofs of his existence, in order to make people like me believe in him?

He did, and people didn't bite. The time of Christ has daily miracles. But something you will notice is god doesn't do the same trick twice. There are miracles nowadays, Or at least I hear about them from people I know in the church. But if people in the day and age of Christ, when atheism was much much less prominent didn't catch on then what makes you think people in this age would. Any thing that could possible happen will not make a dent in a persons mind that has been made up.

8. Why do people not see that basing your life on religion is just a self-profiling prophesy?

Probably because we are not sure what you just asked.

9. how do you reconcile omnipotence and omniscience?

All knowing meets all powerful doesn't work? Well if there is a god this is how he would HAVE to work. They are, in a way, the same thing. Im not sure what your asking.

10. i want you to admit that "there may not be a god"

Well, your right, there may not be.

11. What's he doing on the weekend? Mother fucker won't answer his cell.

You havent watched dogma?

12. What came first, the observer or the observed?

Same guy, with a mirror.

13. Why would God only give his message to one specific group of people while allowing others to worship 'false' Gods and thus damning them to hell?

Thats assuming he did. What if the gods of many religion are all the same god? What if god speaks to all peoples, but they take it different directions. Just a theory.

14. Why didn't God give any hint of monotheistic religion to the North American Indians, knowing that this lack of knowledge would be THE key difference in being considered 'human' when eventually they came into contact with Western European 'Godly' nations?

I dont know enough about the native americans to even bullshit an answer.

15. For the thousands of years before Jesus, or even before the legends of the old testament were passed down - did everyone live in sin? Would everybody from those time periods be in purgatory since they were never baptized?

First. God is timeless. This would the act of Christ as being timeless. So even before Christ, the sins were paid for. Second, im not catholic. not into the whole 'purgatory' thing and baptizm is just a nice ritual signify a union between you and god. But not required.

16. Why did God allow some societies, again Western Europeans, to develop steel making, gunpowder, advanced warfare, and germs while leaving other societies relatively undeveloped and completely open to invasion/eradication?

Not sure. Thats just how things happened to play out?

17. why am i so fat?

Too many fucking twinkys. Get off your ass and run a few miles.

18. If I pray hard enough, can I rent zombie Jesus for my nephew's birthday party?

He doesnt do birthdays, Only bachelor parties.

Im going to get flamed to death for this arnt I.

KARMA and natural selection.


3) You are on the lowest level a human can be. The question you are asking is from you LOGIC. What if GOD is beyond your logic and senses? what then? The vedas have investigated throughly the working of GOD, and have said again and again you cant use logic or your five senses to know god but you can go above your senses to get a GLIMPSE of what GOD can BE.

This does not answer my question. I understand that my senses are not enough detect him, and I acknowledge that he is beyond that. My question is, Why doesn't he create something that my senses can detect, so I can believe in him and have no doubts about his existence.

Why do the gods (Brahman) promote a completely unfair caste system on society?

If I pray hard enough, can I rent zombie Jesus for my nephew's birthday party?

Nice, You made reading this useless thread worth while ;) .

If God cannot be sensed with our 5 senses or be explained with our logic then we cannot disprove his existence. But then again, neither can you prove he exsists. This in itself makes your thread and your try at explaining futile.

I still favour atheism. A couple of weeks ago I had a conversation with a friend of mine. He is a smart, logical thinker but he's italian and his family have brought him up as catholics. I'll call him Mark from here.

Mark: You can't disprove God exist's. There must be more out there!

Me: If I hold up my hand and it appears empty and then tell you I am holding a rock, only you can't see it with your eyes nor feel it or smell it. Would you believe me?

Mark: Of course not!

Me: But you can't prove me wrong either can you?

Mark pondered on this for a while and came to the conclusion he could indeed not prove the rock did not exist if he can't sense it nor explain it with logic.

Me: What if I told you this was just a lie? Would you believe that?

Mark: Of course, it's what I thought to begin with!

Me: But tell me Mark, you are a man of logic. If I could explain the mystery behind the invisible rock and could in some way prove its existence. Would you be more willing to accept that explination or would you rather accept that the rock is there but you cant ever sense it?

Mark: Naturally I would rather have a solid explination instead of just believing you.

Me: That is how I feel about religion.

Nice. Mark was pwnd.

Why do the gods (Brahman) promote a completely unfair caste system on society?

If you are talking about the caste system of india. It is not really so. The actual term is varna and it is not determined at birth. People are not born sudras, brahmins. They choose their own paths.

This does not answer my question. I understand that my senses are not enough detect him, and I acknowledge that he is beyond that. My question is, Why doesn't he create something that my senses can detect, so I can believe in him and have no doubts about his existence.

KARMA. AGAIN and again i will repeat this. You people will be bored with my answers but its that simple. Your karma made you human. But this life of yours is precious. In hindu culture you will have to pass through 84 lakh life forms before you get a human body. So make good use of this time and ask yourself this question, WHY IS GOD ABOVE MY SENSES.

If you are talking about the caste system of india. It is not really so. The actual term is varna and it is not determined at birth. People are not born sudras, brahmins. They choose their own paths.

If anyone can choose their own path, why is India still poverty strucken? Seems to me that's not a realy wise path to "choose". And I don't mean the sober kind of poverty, I mean the not being able to eat/provide medical care kind of poverty. Choice is a luxery good in the real world.


KARMA. AGAIN and again i will repeat this. You people will be bored with my answers but its that simple. Your karma made you human. But this life of yours is precious. In hindu culture you will have to pass through 84 lakh life forms before you get a human body. So make good use of this time and ask yourself this question, WHY IS GOD ABOVE MY SENSES.

There is no scientific evidence that people are reborn from previous lifetimes. Our DNA differs too much from other lifeforms that xenomorphic reincarnation is not possible. If we were, evidence of this would be left behind in our mtDNA strain. (That's Mitochondrial DNA for all you born into a caste unable to go to school :p ) Since mtDNA is passed on through the maternal eggcell and thus determines our race. If xenomorphic incarnation were to happen in the past this would be passed on too.

Don't come with bullshit like "It cant be explained with human logic" or "you cant sense it with your human senses" because that just sounds like a lame excuse to me for covering up all the claims your can't otherwise explain or support.

Who is your daddy and what does he do?