To believers obviously.

is there a point to this thread?

is there a point to this thread?

Yes there is, twit.


On topic:
I would not since the person is probably insane enough to kill you anyways. If you die, you will die regardless... and in the scheme of time an extra 30-50 years is nothing that one person can do that will amount to something epic.
Plus if the afterlife is right, you're totally set.
If you're wrong... well... at least you won't know you're wrong.

Denounce atheism to save my life?

Sure.

And right after I escape the danger that threatens my life, I continue with my atheism.

Denounce atheism to save my life?

Sure.

And right after I escape the danger that threatens my life, I continue with my atheism.

To believers obviously.

Holy shit. :mad:

Denounce atheism to save my life?

Sure.

And right after I escape the danger that threatens my life, I continue with my atheism.

How do you denounce atheism??

What does one fall back on from atheism?

No. :)

You mean like in Colombine-style instances?

If I were a believer, I definitely would. Why?

1) You don't honestly have to 'renounce your faith', but rather simply utter the word 'no' to the question of whether or not you believe in god, are a Christian, etc. The utterance of words does not have to/does mirror actual beliefs, also known as lying. If you know your true faith and belief, then god will know you're not being dishonest.

2) Either way, you can (if survived) go on with your life and 'reaccept' your faith and be right back to where you are.

3) Surely god would want you (a fervent believer) to continue life on earth and save as many souls as possible.

What does one fall back on from atheism?

Beats me, but I should think it would be like falling back on a kit of carpenter's tools.

Wise man say the real question is not if you would denounce your faith, but if your faith would denounce you. Aaaa...

According to The Bible, you shouldn't.

This separates the true Christians from the fake ones.

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According to The Bible, you shouldn't.

This separates the true Christians from the fake ones.

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This separates the true Christians from the smart ones.

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According to The Bible, you shouldn't.

This separates the true Christians from the fake ones.

/thread

It's true. If you deny Jesus Christ before men, he will deny you before his father in heaven.

It's true. If you deny Jesus Christ before men, he will deny you before his father in heaven.

Not if you repent afterwards and accept Jesus as your savior again...

Classic religious loophole.

Not if you repent afterwards and accept Jesus as your savior again...

Classic religious loophole.

What if they kill you before you can repent though? :p

What if they kill you before you can repent though? :p

The hypothetical question involved does not mention anything about a possibility of death if you actually do repent. There shouldn't be any tricks implied, as that would defeat the purpose of the question. Honestly, I don't understand why half the others in this thread assumed otherwise.

Anyway, that is really circumventing the main point...

The hypothetical question involved does not mention anything about a possibility of death if you actually do repent. There shouldn't be any tricks implied, as that would defeat the purpose of the question. Honestly, I don't understand why half the others in this thread assumed otherwise.

Anyway, that is really circumventing the main point...

Sure, but you never know when you're going to die.

Sure, but you never know when you're going to die.

Alright, so that may be a good argument against the death-bed repentance plan... but in the case of this thread, the victim can just denounce his faith, deny Jesus even existed, hell, he can even curse the guy out for all it matters...

But if he makes good with the 'good lord' immediately after, he's off the hook!

Hey, I didn't make these rules... I'm just pointing them out.

The reason i brought this point up is because i look at any renaissances that have happened and how many lives that could of been spared.

I personally, as an atheist, even when i believed in god can't comprehend how religion can have such a stranglehold on ones life. I understand religion meant something else in the past in respects to people's daily lives but i still can't put it together. This is the mean reason i am atheist; just too many consequences can arise from blind faith.

Thats just my opinion.

If someone put a gun to my head and asked if I believed in "God". I wouldn't bother asking what he meant by "God", I would just assume he was a militant atheist retard and say, "No, not 'God'." No sense in trying to explain the consciousness matrix to someone whos mind is that damaged.

I am not my faith. Faith is just material illusion, maya.

This is a tough question. But I would have to go with my initial thought, because if the time comes thats all I will have.

I no wouldnt, and this is why.

The assumed situation is a columbine type situation. Me with a gun pointed at my head, person pointing gun at me asking me if I beleave in god, with the assumption, or him directly stating, I am going to die If I say yes.

The first reason I would say yes is for myself. I have a lot of doubt in my faith, I question it often. I mean lets fucking face it, it hard to fit god into logic sometimes. But if I can still at the end of the day, hold my faith higher then my life then I have to assume that should I be correct, everything will be ok quickly after he pulls the trigger.

the second reason is for him. This may sound sorta stupid but the only kind of evangelizing I trust in is very simply lving my life in a way that Christ would have. If anyone else sees something different in me, then its up to them to ask me whats different about me. For this man, if he sees that I have either the trust, or delusion, in something greater then myself. It might nudge him closer to excepting that there may be something too it. Or just firmly plant in him the belief that we are all stupid.

third. For anyone else that might be readily available. This is the worst answer and the least of my concerns. But if anyone ELSE gets anything out of my martyrdom then who knows, maybe something good came of my death.

The last and probably should have been first answer. For my god. If Im right, and he gave me this life. Then its going to end when he wants it too, not when the man holding a gun to my head wants it too. Why insult god with the assumption that the man holding the gun has more power over what happens to me.

No. To put it simply. My faith is more important than my life. Like is say my country was overrun by militant extremists, then I'd fight to my dying breath to preserve what I hold dear.

There is no escaping death. You can only avoid it momentarily.

Would I lie about my beliefs if someone were to kill me for otherwise believing in God? If I feel like living, then of course I would. If not, then I would die.

I would say whatever he wants to hear (to make him NOT shoot me that is)

Besides, he wouldn't be the first to point a weapon at me and not be sorry about it afterwards.

This separates the true Christians from the smart ones.

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What smart ones?

http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Daniel+3

I was bothered by this thread and now I know why. The tale of the Fiery Furnace (duh) in the book of Daniel tells of people who did not renounce their faith. They were saved by god. I think something similar happened in the Lion's Den as well.

After reading the Bible, not extensively but well, I am forced to conclude that the entire collection is BS.

There is no escaping death.

Death to you is an illusion, your hypocrisy in making statements like this is not.

Death to you is an illusion, your hypocrisy in making statements like this is not.

Hello miserable prick. That void eating away at those cold, dead heart strings of yours? Come to spread some hate?

You must have missed the text, all those times I have said there is no difference between real expereince and illusory expereince. That reality is an illusion, illusions are reality and there are no differences between them, in my opinion. You also show no understanding of my opinion of death.

Of course I understand you would rather spew your venom, think up little summarizations of what you believe are my beliefs and bask in warmth of your apparent accomplishment, then actually try to communicate with me and understand the reasoning behind my beliefs. You've never shown any indication of doing otherwise.

Enjoy being a jackass, as I am sure you will continue to make yourself one.

Hello miserable prick. That void eating away at those cold, dead heart strings of yours? Come to spread some hate?

I am actually a pretty jovial person, and am always making those around me laugh. I really enjoy the nice little life I have.

FACTS:
You think reality is an illusion.
Death is a part of reality.
Death is an illusion.

Means.......(drumroll)........you are talking out your ass, when you say there is no escaping death. The only thing you know to be true is I AM everything else (including death) is an illusion.

Thus your full of shit, trying to make an observation of something, you believe is an illusion.

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I also find it funny that you paint me as the fuckstick who gleefully and admittedly shits on other's threads. I do hope you have learned your lesson from doing so on my thread just to "get a rise out of me" nearly six fucking months ago.

Have you?

I am actually a pretty jovial (http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ajovial+&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVFA,DVFA:1970--2,DVFA:en)person, and am always making those around me laugh.
I completely agree with that.

I am actually a pretty jovial person, and am always making those around me laugh. I really enjoy the nice little life I have.

Great. So why are you hijacking this thread and vomiting up your misconceptions of my beliefs? To "teach me a lesson"?

"I'm gonna learn ya right, this time, boy!"

I also find it funny that you paint me as the fuckstick who gleefully and admittedly shits on other's threads. I do hope you have learned your lesson from doing so on my thread just to "get a rise out of me" nearly six fucking months ago.

Have you?

I have not 'painted' you up at all, those are your true colors. I haven't said any misleading things about you. Are you implying that I intentionally fuck up other peoples threads just for fun, and am not actually interested in anything being discussed? If so, then you are spreading misinformation, cunt.

Exactly what do you think you are doing to this thread?

I fucked with you in that thread you're obsessing over, yes, but only because you're a complete asshole to people you disagree with. I don't give a shit if you don't think thats just.

Edit - And no, my beliefs do not mean I believe death will not occur, although they do mean I do not believe death is what you believe it is. You muddle my beliefs up so much ... why would death be an illusion, but not life? Why not time? Why are you maintaining that there is a difference between reality and illusion? And why the fuck are you telling me what my beliefs should be?

Of course you misinterpret them, because like I said in the previous post ... you would rather spew your venom, think up little summarizations of what you believe are my beliefs and bask in warmth of your apparent accomplishment, then actually try to communicate with me and understand the reasoning behind my beliefs, and what they really are.

Now, I know how you feel about hijacking threads, so why don't you stop doing that to this one and respond to me in the thread I've made just for our own discussion. Next time you feel the urge to take a shit on a thread, do it to that one.