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While I view totse as a place where anything can be talked about, it's my personal belief that a forum devoted to this should be treated like child porn; Just shouldn't be here.
But, since it's here, read up on it you drivveling slobs, this is what you really do for "Your Country"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_Racket
Now where's my cheap gas you brainwashed, unquestioning Chain-of-Command order following dolts?
Whilst I would respect any actual protection of the peoples freedom from BOTH Foreign and DOMESTIC, what most of your job is I despise.
More coming as I feel.
XiPPiLLi
2008-05-21, 15:58
While sensible criticism is welcomed here, I'd have to say that it seems to me that your focus should really be towards the government, not the troops.
Believe me when I say that not all of the troops enjoy what they do. Hell, a lot of us are 100% AGAINST the idea of going to the sandbox. Of course, theres the few uber-patriots who wish nothing more than to serve their country, or crazy nutters who wish nothing more than to shoot people, but with a career this size, you get all kinds.
Personally, I'm against this war, but thats not a discussion for this forum. That's more of a political (http://www.totse.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=162) or humanitarian (http://www.totse.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=179) thing. Unless this is a thread about troops against the current middle eastern affairs. ;]
Believe me when I say that not all of the troops enjoy what they do. Hell, a lot of us are 100% AGAINST the idea of going to the sandbox...career...
I hope you all die in house fires. You are fighting(in some way shape or form) a war you don't believe in. I mean fuck, at least suicide bombers think they're doing good... Fucking career:rolleyes: Who the decides to go kill people(we've already determined you aren't fighting for peace or anything, you don't support the war) because it's good money?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sociopath
jackketch
2008-05-21, 16:25
While sensible criticism is welcomed here, I'd have to say that it seems to me that your focus should really be towards the government, not the troops.
Once again I have to say that sounded more convincing in the original german.
The troops are just as guilty. The judge at Nuremberg was very clear on that.
Believe me when I say that not all of the troops enjoy what they do. Hell, a lot of us are 100% AGAINST the idea of going to the sandbox.
Personally, I'm against this war, but thats not a discussion for this forum. Unless this is a thread about troops against the current middle eastern affairs. ;]
I read these beliefs of your Xippili and I'm somewhat at a loss for words. Because if someone asked me...."how would you describe as a person/soldier/MAN?" it would be very difficult to find complementary verbiage to attach to how you go about life. I mean really....what kind of adult is so willing to turn their back on their own ideals, just to make some money?
What would you call such a person? Sell-out? Superficial? Shallow? Truth be told, the first word that came to my mind was "whore". That is exactly what you sound like, someone willing to sell themselves as long as the right pricetag is attached. I wondered to myself exactly how far you would go to throw out your ideals, all in the name of your beloved career....but honestly I don't wanna hear any more. I'd rather kid myself and believe that you DO have some limits, and I'd rather not discover otherwise.
I know of a lot of MEN right here on these boards that wouldn't sell out their morals like you would. I'd be willing to bet if Jack had a job that had him handing out coupons to people for a free abortion at the clinic down the block, that he wouldn't have any part of that....NO MATTER THE SALARY OR PERKS. Nope, he would probably have more pride being homeless living under a bridge if that job or "career" was the only way he could support himself. Jack if I'm speaking out of place feel free to bitch slap me back to reality. :)
I find it interesting how you talk about "respect" and being "appreciated" in this forum, and the original thread in H & S. Again, why should someone be respected for being such a sell-out? Should anyone have "appreciation" for someone with such little fortitude and foundation, the fact they can be bought and sold like a common street whore? Whores are a dime-a-dozen in this world any more, why exactly should there be such appreciation given to them?
Sorry Xippili....but if you compare a financially secure/wealthy man that has sold out his morals and ideals, and compare him with a homeless beggar that has stayed true to his heart....its a no-brainer. As far as respecting and appreciating the human being he is, and the MAN inside his circumstances.....that homeless person has Mr. Career beaten hands down. So when you prattle on about "poor" and "uneducated" people having no choice, that argument is profoundly pathetic. Because you ALWAYS have a choice on some level, its just some people chose to conduct themselves with ethics and integrity and are not willing to sell them out to anyone that is willing to buy them.
XiPPiLLi
2008-05-21, 17:45
I've had quite a few jobs I didn't like. I guess since its military, its a whole 'nother story?
If supporting my family means I have to do on-base law enforcement, then I'll do it.
I guess if I were one of the patriots, it would make a world of difference?
Again, people join for many different reasons of their own. My political views don't mean shit to anyone but you guys, really.
I've had quite a few jobs I didn't like.
There is a HUGE difference between "not liking a particular task" vs. "100% against what I believe". The fact you can't tell the difference between the two is further indication of your intellect and sophistication in this world. Sorry, but I really don't "appreciate" or "respect" stupid people in this world either.
And your political views DO come into play when you are going so against the ideals you supposedly belive in. And it has ZERO relevancy to what your career is. I would be making the same observations about the selling-out of your morality if you were a soldier, sailor, shepherd, shit-house attendant, senator. Your "career" is a choice just like everyone else's. Stop expecting a SEPARATE set of standards than anyone else, and understand that your "for-sale" morality is disgusting no matter what your job is. Being a pawn to the government isn't some magical free pass......
XiPPiLLi
2008-05-21, 18:40
There is a HUGE difference between "not liking a particular task" vs. "100% against what I believe". The fact you can't tell the difference between the two is further indication of your intellect and sophistication in this world. Sorry, but I really don't "appreciate" or "respect" stupid people in this world either.
And your political views DO come into play when you are going so against the ideals you supposedly belive in. And it has ZERO relevancy to what your career is. I would be making the same observations about the selling-out of your morality if you were a soldier, sailor, shepherd, shit-house attendant, senator. Your "career" is a choice just like everyone else's. Stop expecting a SEPARATE set of standards than anyone else, and understand that your "for-sale" morality is disgusting no matter what your job is. Being a pawn to the government isn't some magical free pass......
I worked in this club before. The owner was a douchebag and treated a lot of people like shit, but I kept my head down, wasnt noticed, and the pay was decent. I eventually left because he decided it was in his best interest to give raises to the busty females who worked there instead of the ones who actually worked.
Same thing, really. Personally, I think you're taking things more seriously than the ones actually involved in it.
No one forced me to believe in anything the governments want. I don't care about oil, muslims, the middle eastern interests, or this whole war, really. When people talk to me about it, I don't really care too much for it, and thats what I tell them. For the most part, they respect my disinterest in the subject, and it goes no further.
This captain was talking about the war to me, and I told him straight up that I really don't care too much about this war, and that my intentions in his unit were nothing more than to just get in, do my job, get out, and move on with life onto bigger things, and he respected that.
I worked in this club before. The owner was a douchebag and treated a lot of people like shit, but I kept my head down, wasnt noticed, and the pay was decent. I eventually left because he decided it was in his best interest to give raises to the busty females who worked there instead of the ones who actually worked.
Same thing, really. Personally, I think you're taking things more seriously than the ones actually involved in it.
And how many people did he kill while you worked for him?
jackketch
2008-05-21, 18:57
I'd be willing to bet if Jack had a job that had him handing out coupons to people for a free abortion at the clinic down the block, that he wouldn't have any part of that....NO MATTER THE SALARY OR PERKS. Nope, he would probably have more pride being homeless living under a bridge if that job or "career" was the only way he could support himself. Jack if I'm speaking out of place feel free to bitch slap me back to reality. :)
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No you're pretty much right.
We're all just trying to make it through the day and put food on the table. Everyone has their lines they won't cross and everyone draws their lines different.
I've done a lot of things for money I ain't particularly proud of. Stealing from little old ladies, bodyguarding a drug dealer and fucks knows what else.
But abortion is my line. If my kids were starving then I'd commit any crime to get them food but not that.
XiPPiLLi
2008-05-21, 19:16
And how many people did he kill while you worked for him?
At least one, actually. He killed his girlfriend or something, but that was after I quit.
But if you want to make this a political debate, I'll be glad to discuss it in a thread over in Politics, Left Right and Center.
Zinquaff
2008-05-21, 19:37
Funny story. A vehicle of ours got stuck pretty deep in a waddi and after spinning the tires deeper, oil started seeping out.
In retrospect we should have bottled some of it to take home.
But if you want to make this a political debate, I'll be glad to discuss it in a thread over in Politics, Left Right and Center.
I'm only discussing the morals of individual soldiers.
I worked in this club before. The owner was a douchebag and treated a lot of people like shit, but I kept my head down, wasnt noticed, and the pay was decent. I eventually left because he decided it was in his best interest to give raises to the busty females who worked there instead of the ones who actually worked.
Same thing, really. Personally, I think you're taking things more seriously than the ones actually involved in it.
No one forced me to believe in anything the governments want. I don't care about oil, muslims, the middle eastern interests, or this whole war, really. When people talk to me about it, I don't really care too much for it, and thats what I tell them. For the most part, they respect my disinterest in the subject, and it goes no further.
This captain was talking about the war to me, and I told him straight up that I really don't care too much about this war, and that my intentions in his unit were nothing more than to just get in, do my job, get out, and move on with life onto bigger things, and he respected that.
Your club scenario is light years away from what we've been discussing. That is describing unfair or bad supervision/management decisions, not an employee WILLINGLY selling out their own morality. What's interesting about how this thread is evolving is how you've exposed how easily it is for you to sell out your own stance so easily. Earlier you said.....
Hell, a lot of us are 100% AGAINST the idea of going to the sandbox.
Personally, I'm against this war
And just now you are describing how apathetic you are in regard to it. Which is it Xippili? Are you really against the war or do you really not care one way or the other? Whatever the case, it doesn't seem you have that strong of an ideal either way since you are so willing to flip flop in just a couple of hours. Whether its someone handing you a paycheck, or just being questioned on your ideals......you are willing to warp them at pretty much a drop of a hat, ain't ya?
By the way, as a side-note life lesson for you to walk away with: The big boobed girls more than likely DID deserve a higher salary than you. Because in the bar/club business hot females = $$$$$$$$. Now unless you personally installed some funky high-def TV airing the ballgame every night, or concocted and were cooking the latest burger craze around town.....I guaranfuckintee ya those women genearated more revenue than you did. Why exactly do you think bars have so many "ladies nights" specials? Boobs/women bring in the men which spend all the money. You could have sweated, cried, bled your ass off working whatever shift.....and they were still more of an asset to that place just by walking in the door and looking good.
Eye candy > most men's hard work.....at least in the restaurant and bar business.
Hmmmm, so far we've got that just following orders that are totally against anything you stand for is okie dokey; as long as it puts food on the table.
Lets dig into that more.
Has the military ever lied to you about benifits you would/could recieve?
(open to anybody in the military past or present)
Lets dig into that more.
Has the military ever lied to you about benifits you would/could recieve?
(open to anybody in the military past or present)
Since they are so unwilling to be honest and play along.....lets give them a little nudge, shall we?
I can't believe the number of enlistees that have been fucked over for enlistment promotions and bonuses.
My recruiter screwed me over.
You realize afterwards that they never once lie, they just sort of...bend the truth. I've heard it so many times...
Recruiters suck.