"Juden! HALT! Juden! RAUSE!"

Okay. So I have a question. Are the Jews really an evil cabal bent on world domination?

For a while I have been studying Jews. It was kind of a pet project of mine. I read countless websites, some for, some against, and some neutral (Wiki, lol). After reading so much about these people what I am left with is a feeling of resentment. Is this true? Are these people really that bad?

They come to every country, stay as long as possible leeching off the people through money-lending, until nations get so sick of them that they kick them out of the country. It has happened so many god damn times. Every civilized nation hates JEWS!

Jews now control all media. You cannot fight that point. Look at the state of media and what media is to us.

Theres many, many examples of Israeli treason and Israeli lies. The thing is that in the U.S the Jews bribe the gov so much with their acquired wealth that the gov turns the other cheek to anything that Israel does.



Okay, okay.. I know how I sound... I sound like one of "them" (Mel Gibson mug-shot photo, lol). Oh and ignore my Troll Totse screen name, I am not really a Jew in real life.

I do not want to hate Jews. I can't say I have actually met any that I like, but I really haven't met that many.

Please convince me that I am a nut-bar for thinking these things. I know that hate is baggage. I need to come to an understanding of Jews.

As mentioned in the censorship thread, after some discussion Hare and I agree this topic has not been covered extensively in this forum and can be reopenned.

We ask only that people treat the topic with the academic respect it deserves, and not as a hate thread. Thanks.

Keep in mind you all have the power here to censor yourselves ;)

I think that more often than not Jews are much like any other ethnic group. I've met a lot of Jews over the years, and most of them have been very kind, down-to-earth people. It's usually only the powerful, rich, and corrupt ones who give the whole race a bad name. This is the same for almost every group of people.

Please convince me that I am a nut-bar for thinking these things.

Well, I'd start by questioning the implicit assumption that Jews comprise some sort of universally homogenous group. No other group is homogenous, how could they be?

Once one has a question as that - how could one, for instance, in intellectual honesty, blame the Jewish anti-zionist movement (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/) for the actions of Israel?

What I hope to possibly get out of this thread is a kind of human understanding of the Jews. Looking in the media (mostly controlled by Jews) you get only one side of the story, looking on the internet you seem to only see the extreme opposite. I know the truth lies somewhere in the middle and I know that each side does have some truth to their argument.

I would first like to get this out of the way: -I know the average Jew on the street is not a "bad" guy.-

Right now when I look at what I know of Jewish history, I see a people stuck in a paranoid struggle. They start off getting kicked out of their own land, disperse, begin to prosper in whatever land takes them in, things are ok for awhile, then the ruler like clockwork starts getting mad at the now powerful Jewry and kicks them out. Nazis took that a step further.

Is it a Jew's paranoia of the state that causes him to infiltrate and attempt to control?

White Nationalist websites often express a belief that Jews, when they start getting power, will take measures that alienate and seem to divide up the non-Jewish white majority who technically hold most power. The more they can alienate the non-Jews the more power they acquire for themselves (according to these websites).

You look at these policies the Jews in US government support and enact (immigration, multi-culturalism, and through the media especially, a general anti-white tone) and then you take a peak over at Israel (a massive wall separating themselves with Palestine, terrible record of killing civilians, constantly trying to get the US to go to war with Iran) you can see that the philosophies aren't carried over. What is good for the US (according to Jews) is not good for Israel.

Well, I'd start by questioning the implicit assumption that Jews comprise some sort of universally homogenous group. No other group is homogenous, how could they be?

Once one has a question as that - how could one, for instance, in intellectual honesty, blame the Jewish anti-zionist movement (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/) for the actions of Israel?

These "Jews for Jesus", "Jews against Zionism", "Jews for Hitler" groups don't hold any weight and although it does technically "prove" to non-Jews that Jewry is not some single celled organism, it does little else. Wow, Joe, we all know that. But It does not answer the question, at least not enough for me, to just say "Jews are all just a bunch of unique individuals and you cannot come to any conclusions on them as a group". Fuck that. These stupid "Jews For" groups don't steer the ship of Jewry at all and if we want to come to any new understanding we cannot keep treading the same old paths with the same old wagons.

Criticism of the Stale of Israel is quite broad & open in Israel itself. It's only in the West that it is suppressed.

The Powerful are often quite similar regardless of color or religion. That doesn't mean that they work together or get along. Though they may come together for mutual benefit/profit.

"Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives, goes to Israel, presumably to help celebrate the 60th anniversary of al-Nakba, but also to discuss "the threat posed by Iran" to Israel.

Do you copy? Iran does not pose a threat to us or our troops in Iraq, but – in Pelosi's view – may somehow pose a threat to Israel?"
http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=12892

"Thirty years ago, when the state of Israel had traveled only half its present journey through time since 1948, I interviewed General Matti Peled in New York. As an army general Peled had been a notably tough administrator of the Occupied Territories, but in retirement had become a dove, publicly urging his country to negotiate seriously with the Palestinians, abandon the illegal settlements, return to the ’67 borders and resolve all the other major issues obstructing a proper peace.

“What do you think will happen,” I asked the former general, “If no Israeli government ever emerges strong enough to take such a path?”

“Oh, I think we’ll end up like the Crusaders,” he answered. “It might take some time, but just like them, in the end, we’ll be gone.” "

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn05172008.html

The Stale of Israel & it's love of Old South Africa & it's apartheid regime.

"Now the apartheid state of Israel fears it will meet the same fate from its own oppressed, and growing, Palestinian population. While Israel’s proponents continue to rhetorically claim that the Zionist state is the only bulwark against another Holocaust, its leaders also continue to openly express its true identification with South Africa’s racist regime. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert remarked recently in the New York Times, “We now have the Palestinians running an Algeria-style campaign against Israel, but what I fear is that they will try to run a South Africa-type campaign against us.” If international sanctions are imposed as they were against apartheid, “the state of Israel is finished.”

Indeed, stripped of rhetoric, the parallels are striking. The state of Israel was enshrined as a sovereign state in 1948, the same year the white supremacist National Party came to power in South Africa. Both the Zionism and apartheid had been decades in the making, with the backing of British imperialism. Both colonial projects were designed to violently disfranchise and subjugate the indigenous majority that occupied both countries."

http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon05222008.html

These stupid "Jews For" groups don't steer the ship of Jewry

Neither does the terrorist state of Israel. ;)

You look at these policies the Jews in US government support and enact (immigration, multi-culturalism, and through the media especially, a general anti-white tone) and then you take a peak over at Israel (a massive wall separating themselves with Palestine, terrible record of killing civilians, constantly trying to get the US to go to war with Iran) you can see that the philosophies aren't carried over. What is good for the US (according to Jews) is not good for Israel.

You base your whole argument on this assumption that Jews have control over the U.S government and its governing on AMERICA. Is it because they have control of media stations like FOX and CNN? I mean shit, most of the us government consists of white fundamentalist Christians who probably cant stand jews.

And how the hell can you say a policy such as multi-culturalism is supported and enacted by Jews? This country was formed by the acceptance of others religious and cultural background (except blacks) yet you go on to say that jews pushed this? Jews my friend were not the ones fighting against the British in 1763. The idea of multiculturalism has been promoted since day 1 even though we have not really followed it.

Also you blame the jews for pushing an "anti-white" tone? what are they pushing for a pro-jew tone by talking about Israel? The only time I ever hear media outlets talk about Israel is on Fox News and maybe CNN. But guess what, those companies are owned by jews! what the fuck do you expect??? If they were owned by Iranians would you honestly expect them to talk about how they support Israel as opposed to Iran? No!


Yes the U.S supports Israel because they give us tons of money and oil control. But do you really think Jews are orchestrating some giant plan to get all Americans to support Israel? Most of America doesn't even know about the conflict there!

You wanted to talk about jews in a 'humane' way so I'll chime in.

Throughout history Jews have been awful at being able to control and defend land. So you know what they did? They said fuck land, lets control the money supply. For with money comes land. And thats exactly what happened. I hope the jews continue to fight for Israel because they don't deserve to lose another place they call home.

Neither does the terrorist state of Israel. ;)

Who more so then Israel?:)

You base your whole argument on this assumption that Jews have control over the U.S government and its governing on AMERICA. Is it because they have control of media stations like FOX and CNN? I mean shit, most of the us government consists of white fundamentalist Christians who probably cant stand jews.

The Jews do have control over the U.S government. Their lobby is the biggest in the world and members of their religion take up a massively disproportionate amount of government posts. They have a ton of control, why do you think Israel is treated this way? Just out of the kindness and generosity of Bushy's heart? Come on.

Ok for the last part about Christians, I think you probably meant that alot of government members, including the president, are Evangelical Christians. This is a born-again type movement and one of their most radical, and what sets them apart from many other Christian groups is their fundamental belief in the rapture and that the Land of Israel must remain in the hands of the Jews or else these "end time" prophecies" will not go according to plan. Just look at McCain's Pastor, I believe there are some quotes of him flipping out because Israel was going to give some of it's occupied territories back.

Looking at what I just wrote down, you can see these Evangelicals are perfect for adhering to a Jewish/Zionist agenda. O yeah, and just because many figureheads are standard white Christians doesn't mean they're the real ones calling the shots. It is not necessarily in the Jew's best interests to look like they hold all power (especially in government).

And how the hell can you say a policy such as multi-culturalism is supported and enacted by Jews? This country was formed by the acceptance of others religious and cultural background (except blacks) yet you go on to say that jews pushed this? Jews my friend were not the ones fighting against the British in 1763. The idea of multiculturalism has been promoted since day 1 even though we have not really followed it.

Look up the abolishment of national origin quotas (a joint effort of Kennedy and the ADL B'nai Brith). Most importantly though look at the media. Look at how they portray Europeans, I could go into depth about the ideas that they promote but that would fill pages. The media are controlled by Jews, these ideas of multi-culturalism (or multi-racialism) are one of the media's fundamental philosophies. I am not saying I am personally against multiculturalism myself, but there seems to be some definite hypocrisy with our Multi-Racial and Cultural society, and the Hyper-Nationalist society present in Israel. It's as if they provide us with one idea they think we should follow, but when they go home they throw all that "philosophical" crap out the window and practice what they really believe.

Also you blame the jews for pushing an "anti-white" tone? what are they pushing for a pro-jew tone by talking about Israel? The only time I ever hear media outlets talk about Israel is on Fox News and maybe CNN. But guess what, those companies are owned by jews! what the fuck do you expect??? If they were owned by Iranians would you honestly expect them to talk about how they support Israel as opposed to Iran? No!

No they aren't pushing a "pro-Jew" tone. What would be point of that? They already got the power and that power ain't gonna come from people thinking your "teh k3wl". It's not like they're ever really going to say anything anti-Jewish either.

Yes the U.S supports Israel because they give us tons of money and oil control. But do you really think Jews are orchestrating some giant plan to get all Americans to support Israel? Most of America doesn't even know about the conflict there!

Ha ha, they're way past "orchestrating". Man they have the U.S by the balls... they are like a little head attached to the shoulder of the U.S. If you cannot see that the U.S are 100% in support of Israel, then it's useless for us to talk about this. Your last sentence made me laugh, do you honestly think the gov wants it's people to be informed on it's foreign affairs? Other then "we gonna get dem' evil doers"? The status quo is working in their favor.

Throughout history Jews have been awful at being able to control and defend land. So you know what they did? They said fuck land, lets control the money supply. For with money comes land. And thats exactly what happened. I hope the jews continue to fight for Israel because they don't deserve to lose another place they call home.

I am not debating this. This is probably the standard view on the Jewish situation. A big question though, is: What effect is their will having on us?

You can't spell Jewlery without Jew.

It's not just FOX and CNN that are Jew owned. AOL Time Warner, Clear Channel, Viacom, Verizon, AT&T, Vitafone etc. Most record labels are also Jew owned, not to mention many book publishers.

From my experience, I live in South Miami Beach, Jews are racist, and Jew chicks are crazy, at least all 4 of them I've been "involved" with. My Jewish friends always act funny when I come by with my black friends. Funny thing is I trust my black friends with my belongings more than my Jewish friends. I've left hundreds of dollars lying around with my house in front of my black friends left my house for over two hours and my money and friends are right there when I get back, true I leave them with pot food and entertainment. Regardless, for some reason I'll think twice about doing that with my Jew friends, call it my Psychologist's instinct.

I am not really a Jew in real life.

Yeah, sure. :rolleyes:

These threads claim otherwise:
http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2180571
http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2046591
http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2046744

Who cares what jews are? Europe belongs to Europeans, not some monkey tribe from far away, not a few dime scavenging big noses and not to a few delinquent run-away colonists on the other side of the world.

Foreigner intervering with your economics/politics = bad, not matter what race they are.

Right now when I look at what I know of Jewish history, I see a people stuck in a paranoid struggle. They start off getting kicked out of their own land, disperse, begin to prosper in whatever land takes them in, things are ok for awhile, then the ruler like clockwork starts getting mad at the now powerful Jewry and kicks them out. Nazis took that a step further.


Elaborate please?

It's funny how this thread would be instantly locked if it was in OTM...

Oh wait. :o

I've thought about all of this. Honestly, I really don't like Jews. I've really tried, but over half of all Jews I've encountered have all played up to their stereotypes. Even in school, you can spot the Jews. They really are legalistic and the like.

Israel is a whole other thing. I cannot stand that country.

I've thought about all of this. Honestly, I really don't like Jews. I've really tried, but over half of all Jews I've encountered have all played up to their stereotypes. Even in school, you can spot the Jews. They really are legalistic and the like.

Israel is a whole other thing. I cannot stand that country.

Check this out: http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/

I've got no problem with the jewish people in general, but the state of Israel can go die in a radioactive fire.

Oh and ignore my Troll Totse screen name, I am not really a Jew in real life.


Bwahahahaha

http://www.totse.com/community/image.php?u=171021&dateline=1188672402&type=profile

"What are some good songs and artists that promote anti-racism and tolerance of all races?"

Nice choice of music you silly emo faggot.

i am a jew. i am not part of any cabal or conspiracy that i know of. i think jews are just like most religions. we have some nut jobs, we have some cool ones, we have some douches.

as far as why are so many jews in positions of power relitave to our small population size, i would say it has to do with education an revenge.
revenge meaning that the best kind of revenge is to be more successful than your tormentors. i got alot of shit in highschool because of my religion. i beat some ass. i got my ass beat. never really made me feel better. i was home from break this past week, an late one night i stumbled into a mcdonalds to get some munchie food. lo a behold, look who was behind the counter taking my order. sam, an ass from my past. i didnt eat the food he made, but i did let him stare at the hottie on my arm. i also talked to him about all the things i was doing. finishing school, traveling while studying abroad, working a job i love, an fucking hot chicks. the envy in his eyes was all i needed to see. revenge is sweet

as far a education goes, well to be jewish means to have a passion for learning, reading, writing, and debating. all very important skills for school an success.


that is just my 2cents though. there is also a thread in my god can beat the shit out of your god. i plan on updating it soon cause i did not do my faith justice when i summarized the different sects.

fact: every day, thousands of jews rally each other over the internet to mass comment on anti-israeli stories, disrupt social networks like digg, reddit, del.icio.us, and others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool

fact: every day, thousands of jews rally each other over the internet to mass comment on anti-israeli stories, disrupt social networks like digg, reddit, del.icio.us, and others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Megaphone_desktop_tool#Is_this_serious.3F

LOL!!! Check out that discussion page there. The kikes get caught red-handed and have the audacity to scream "ANTISEMITISM" like a bunch of whiny ass non-existent gas chambee's. Fucking disgusting.

fact: every day, thousands of jews rally each other over the internet to mass comment on anti-israeli stories, disrupt social networks like digg, reddit, del.icio.us, and others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool

that is so lame. i almost feel ashamed to be a jew now

that is so lame. i almost feel ashamed to be a jew now

I'm ashamed of my sentence fragment.

The Jewish people have faced some of the harshest persecutions ever metted out by human society throughout the history of their existance.

It almost appears to be part of being a Jew. The realisation that you will face some form of persecution for who you are.

Extreme examples of persecution through history would be the German Crusade of 1096, expulsion from England in 1290, the spanish inqusition and expulsion from Spain in 1492, expulsion from Portugal in 1497 and of course the holocaust. Not to mention the thousands of pogroms agaisnt Jews that took place thoughout history.

The Jews have suffered immensly throughout history. One would be hard pressed to find any other religious, racial or cultural group that has faced as much persecution as the Jew have.

So throughout history the Jewish people have lived with this cloud of hate over them. Something that would make any nation suspicious of any percieved threat against their livelehood and existance.

Living like this will creates a sense of paranoia that will permeate from generation to generation.

This is why Israel defends the land they have with such ferocity, because history suggests that if they loose that land they will have nothing left. They will be exterminated.
Antisemitism, has no logic what so ever. I cannot fathom how being Jewish can enrage and encite people to commit such horrid atrocities.

The Jewish people have faced some of the harshest persecutions ever metted out by human society throughout the history of their existance.

It almost appears to be part of being a Jew. The realisation that you will face some form of persecution for who you are.

Extreme examples of persecution through history would be the German Crusade of 1096, expulsion from England in 1290, the spanish inqusition and expulsion from Spain in 1492, expulsion from Portugal in 1497 and of course the holocaust. Not to mention the thousands of pogroms agaisnt Jews that took place thoughout history.

The Jews have suffered immensly throughout history. One would be hard pressed to find any other religious, racial or cultural group that has faced as much persecution as the Jew have.

So throughout history the Jewish people have lived with this cloud of hate over them. Something that would make any nation suspicious of any percieved threat against their livelehood and existance.

Living like this will creates a sense of paranoia that will permeate from generation to generation.

This is why Israel defends the land they have with such ferocity, because history suggests that if they loose that land they will have nothing left. They will be exterminated.
Antisemitism, has no logic what so ever. I cannot fathom how being Jewish can enrage and encite people to commit such horrid atrocities.


Of course that's it. The Jews never did anything either. They were simply persecuted over and over and accused of the same things for over a thousand years because people just didn't like them.

I cannot fathom how being Jewish can enrage and encite people to commit such horrid atrocities.

Well Jews themselves go astray, it's the zionists that constantly call them out on being self-hating jews if they don't engage in pushing the agenda, whatever it is. There is no statistic that reliably tells us how many jews have left the full-blown jew lifestyle, integrating into whatever the host country happens to be, because their culture is very tight-knit.

The Jewish people have faced some of the harshest persecutions ever metted out by human society throughout the history of their existance.

10,000 years worth of societies cannot be wrong.


It almost appears to be part of being a Jew. The realisation that you will face some form of persecution for who you are.


That's part of being human.


Extreme examples of persecution through history would be the German Crusade of 1096, expulsion from England in 1290, the spanish inqusition and expulsion from Spain in 1492, expulsion from Portugal in 1497 and of course the holocaust. Not to mention the thousands of pogroms agaisnt Jews that took place thoughout history.

Examples of atrocities perpetrated upon black people include the Arab slave trade, trans-Atlantic slave trade, Tuskegee studies and segregated housing. Examples of atrocities committed against the Chinese include the Unit 731 experiments; far worse than the holocaust I might add, but you don't see them whining.


The Jews have suffered immensly throughout history. One would be hard pressed to find any other religious, racial or cultural group that has faced as much persecution as the Jew have.

So have the Chinese, Armenians, Irish and just about every other ethnic group on the planet. One would not be hard pressed to find other religious, cultural or racial groups that have faced as much persecution as the Jew. And I'd like to add that there is no such thing as a Jewish race.


So throughout history the Jewish people have lived with this cloud of hate over them.


So has everyone else.


Living like this will creates a sense of paranoia that will permeate from generation to generation.

This does not justify criminal activity.

This is why Israel defends the land they have with such ferocity, because history suggests that if they loose that land they will have nothing left.

I'm certain Palestinians felt the same way before the Jews raped them for it.


They will be exterminated.

Hopefully so.



Antisemitism, has no logic what so ever.

It does.

I cannot fathom how being Jewish can enrage and encite people to commit such horrid atrocities.

10,000 years worth of societies cannot be wrong.

The Jewish people have faced some of the harshest persecutions ever metted out by human society throughout the history of their existance.

There are usually reasons.

It almost appears to be part of being a Jew. The realisation that you will face some form of persecution for who you are.

I would advise you ( as a Jewish person, I assume?) to differentiate between "who you are" and "what you do". I personally tend to believe that Jews are persecuted for what they do, not for who they are.


Extreme examples of persecution through history would be the German Crusade of 1096, expulsion from England in 1290, the spanish inqusition and expulsion from Spain in 1492, expulsion from Portugal in 1497 and of course the holocaust. Not to mention the thousands of pogroms agaisnt Jews that took place thoughout history.

Ok this might a lil out of the scope of this debate but, why did the Jews insist on living among racial/cultural/religious aliens, who on top of all that, actively sought to kick them out? Why didn't they just up and leave? Was it because the Jews did not have their own homeland, or what? If that's the case, how did they even evolve into a people in the first place? (you need a land on which to live, prosper, and multiply)


The Jews have suffered immensly throughout history. One would be hard pressed to find any other religious, racial or cultural group that has faced as much persecution as the Jew have.

This may be true, however I am sure it must happen for a good reason. People don't tend to just wake up one day and say, "hey, those Jews look different and worship a different god than us, let's get them!!!"


Living like this will creates a sense of paranoia that will permeate from generation to generation.

Actually I think what happened was, those who were less paranoid tended to be more open towards having relationships with gentiles, and this conceivably led to intermarriages, leaving the more paranoid ones behind who tended to stick to themselves. You do this for enough generations you eventually will end up with a people who exhibit traits of paranoia (among others).


This is why Israel defends the land they have with such ferocity, because history suggests that if they loose that land they will have nothing left. They will be exterminated.

Well, I don't blame them. However I just wish they would not be so ruthless to Palestinians/non-Jews.


Antisemitism, has no logic what so ever. I cannot fathom how being Jewish can enrage and encite people to commit such horrid atrocities.

You keep thinking it's about "being Jewish". It's not. It's about doing certain disagreeable things that Jews disproportionately have a propensity for.

I'm no Jew, hell I couldn't even direct you to the nearest synagogue, but what I fail to understand is what have they done wrong?

What did the Jew's do to Hitler or Germany for that matter? Did the Jew's invade them? Did the Jew build camps and enslave their population?

What are Jew's doing to you now, that is oppresive, hateful or otherwise wrong?

What have Jew's done in your mind that justifies their persecution through the ages? Is it their religious dogma, is it their cultural values, what is it?

The general theme of your responses, is they desereve it. What have they done to deserve it?

10,000 years worth of societies can't be wrong? Or is it more the case that 10,000 years worth of societies found themselves in a stronger, more dominate position and because the Jewish people had no land, it was easy to subjugate and oppress them?

The atrocities committed by slave traders etc and segregation pale in comparsion to the decimation of millions of a population. Unit -731? 580,000 deaths because of military based chemical and biological warefare experiments there. These were chinese, russian and even some american people, no specific religious entity was targeted purposefully for complete destruction. A completely different scenario.

Ok this might a lil out of the scope of this debate but, why did the Jews insist on living among racial/cultural/religious aliens, who on top of all that, actively sought to kick them out? Why didn't they just up and leave? Was it because the Jews did not have their own homeland, or what? If that's the case, how did they even evolve into a people in the first place? (you need a land on which to live, prosper, and multiply)


How did christians evolve into a people? From their humble begginings and expansion from Rome onwards? They never had their own land, yet they also chose to settle in lands which were not there's and faced persecution for that? Yet, christianity also evolved into a people that prospered and multiplied.

If its not about being Jewish, then what is it?

Usually I just ignore "responses" in the form of a question, because they are technically not proper responses. However I am making an exception today because there are so many things wrong with what you said.

but what I fail to understand is what have they done wrong?

Just because you personally fail to see what they've done wrong it doesn't mean they are guilt-less.


What did the Jew's do to Hitler or Germany for that matter?

I cannot answer this question to the fullest extent that it deserves, seeing as how I have very little knowledge about history. If you really want to know you can probably go to stormfront and ask, or any source that you trust, for that matter.


Did the Jew's invade them? Did the Jew build camps and enslave their population?

You talk as if people need to be invading others/enslaving others for them to be hated. This is not true. I will give but one simple example. Currently a lot of TV stations, or outlets of media if you will, are Jewish-owned. Quite a few of them actively promote/glamorize interracial relationships, one of which being the pairing between black males and white females. If I were a white guy, I would be furious. And it's understandable, too.


What are Jew's doing to you now, that is oppresive, hateful or otherwise wrong?

To me personally? Probably nothing. However to the general populace of western countries, probably quite a few things. Maybe not outright hateful or violent, however a lot of them are highly....disagreeable. And this is an understatement.

I am sorry I cannot give you a more in-depth response than this because I am actually not very "well-versed" in the wrongdoings of Jews. Like I said, you can always look to elsewhere on the net to find more on this subject if you wish.


What have Jew's done in your mind that justifies their persecution through the ages?

1. Funny you should say "justify". I personally don't think there is anything to be justified about to want to rid oneself of a harmful alien influence.
2. It is not "persecution" for non-Jews to wish to keep Jews out of their countries. Nobody is morally obligated to share their living spaces with someone they don't want to share with.

Unless by "persecution" you are talking about something else.
Is it their religious dogma, is it their cultural values, what is it?

You are asking me a question that is probably beyond my ability to explain, though I will still try, nevertheless.

I believe that Jews have evolved (as a result of having lived among cultural, religious and racial aliens for a long period of time) into a people with certain innate, biological/genetic traits that predispose them to behaviors that are advantageous to themselves, yet harmful to those surrounding them/those who aren't Jews.

I tend to think that their religious believes/cultural values are a manifestation of these biological traits; as in, the former are caused by the latter. I could be wrong though.


The general theme of your responses, is they desereve it. What have they done to deserve it?

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said "they deserve it". I did, however, say that there are usually reasons, and most likely good ones too. Also, instead of asking me, why don't you do some research yourself? And while you are at it, you probably want to keep an open mind about it. And by that I mean, you probably shouldn't go into it with the mindset that the Jews are a poor oppressed/persecuted people and I am gonna prove that they are blameless/it's all the gentiles' fault.


10,000 years worth of societies can't be wrong? Or is it more the case that 10,000 years worth of societies found themselves in a stronger, more dominate position and because the Jewish people had no land, it was easy to subjugate and oppress them?

1. You are making very little sense.
2. Are you saying that these gentile/Christian societies decided to subjugate the Jewish people because they were in a dominant position/just because they could? Is this what you are saying? I ask because it doesn't make any sense. Why would those in a dominant position subjugate others for no other reason than just for the hell of it? Note I am not saying that people in the position of power don't abuse their power; I am just saying that usually they dominate/subjugate others with a purpose. Such as to keep/maintain power to themselves. But this doesn't apply in the case of the Jewish people because they tend/tended to not have much power in the first place, so it can't it.

I think what most likely happened was in these (Christian) societies, those in dominant positions were usually the monarchs. what's more, they were usually Christians themselves. They shared the same cultures and religious believes as their subjects, amongst whom the Jewish people lived. The Jewish people acted out their nature (see above) and engaged in whatever activities that they did that tended to further their own ends, much to the detriment of the surrounding populations. Conceivably some of the peasants/common people, thus grieved, went and complained to their kings and queens. The latter, being of common root as their subjects, were moved to expel the Jews, as per their suppliant subjects' request. Of course I realize that this is just my lil (probably highly romanticized) theory, and it could very well be wrong; but it's certainly a possibility.


How did christians evolve into a people? From their humble begginings and expansion from Rome onwards? They never had their own land, yet they also chose to settle in lands which were not there's and faced persecution for that? Yet, christianity also evolved into a people that prospered and multiplied.

If its not about being Jewish, then what is it?

I asked a question (of how Jewish people came to be without a land) first. Kindly answer my question, then I will answer yours.

Also I just want to add something: I personally have nothing against the Jewish people. I do not hold them in a low regard just because they follow a certain religion (in this case, Judaism), or that they look different from me ( I am asian), or whatever else you can think of, things that can't be "helped". Having said that, I do maintain that there are things that SOME (this is very important. I do not believe ALL of the Jewish people are like this) of them tend to do that just don't exactly endear them to the rest of the world.

Just when you had me convinced that you were a completely hopeless individual devoid of anything useful to say, you go on and make this beauty of a thread. Well done.

And I don't say this strictly because your thread reflects my beliefs, but rather because it's important for people to always question themselves on the true nature of things. That is the only path to enlightenment.

buka: To cut a long story short, the jews have a long and documented history of infiltrating a state's financial system and abusing it to their benefit and to the population's detriment. This is the main reason (but not the only reason) why they've been persecuted throughout history.

If you (or anyone else) are interested in learning more about this and the zionist plans for a New World Order, as a starting point I suggest you do research on the Rothschild/Bauer and Rockefeller family histories, the Illuminati, the Bilderberg group, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Trilateral Commission, the Federal Reserve and the fractional banking system (I highly suggest everyone reads "Web of Debt" by Ellen Brown). There are dozens upon dozens of hours worth of helpful documentaries out there as well (popular ones include Endgame, Zeitgeist Addendum, Wake up Call: NWO, etc). Do some research and you'll discover that a lot of this stuff is less of a silly conspiracy than you might think.

Usually I just ignore "responses" in the form of a question, because they are technically not proper responses. However I am making an exception today because there are so many things wrong with what you said.



Just because you personally fail to see what they've done wrong it doesn't mean they are guilt-less.

Exactly why I am asking the people of this forum to provide me with documented proof of what makes them so "evil". What makes them worse than christians or muslims for that fact. Both religious groups have more than there fare share of evil doers. How do they differ?



I cannot answer this question to the fullest extent that it deserves, seeing as how I have very little knowledge about history. If you really want to know you can probably go to stormfront and ask, or any source that you trust, for that matter.

I'll agree with you on that. This is a complex answer that deserevs pages upon pages of posts. But largely centres on the rise of Nationalism in Germany from 1933 onwards, Hitler's personal agenda against the Jews and so on.


You talk as if people need to be invading others/enslaving others for them to be hated. This is not true. I will give but one simple example. Currently a lot of TV stations, or outlets of media if you will, are Jewish-owned. Quite a few of them actively promote/glamorize interracial relationships, one of which being the pairing between black males and white females. If I were a white guy, I would be furious. And it's understandable, too.

Not 100% correct. I was using that as an example of what Jew's could have done that could have promted the hatred of Jews by the Nazi's. This was used to demonstate that I cannot see what majory significant event or act that was committed by the Jews on the German people, that warrented their complete destruction. Your example is somewhat disturbing. Because the Jews have managed to secure ownership of TV stations and they are promoting open multicultural lifestyles, this is a problem. Why would promoting free, open multicultural hate free situations be a bad thing?





To me personally? Probably nothing. However to the general populace of western countries, probably quite a few things. Maybe not outright hateful or violent, however a lot of them are highly....disagreeable. And this is an understatement.

Examples? Never heard of Jews exterminating 6 million christians.


1. Funny you should say "justify". I personally don't think there is anything to be justified about to want to rid oneself of a harmful alien influence.
2. It is not "persecution" for non-Jews to wish to keep Jews out of their countries. Nobody is morally obligated to share their living spaces with someone they don't want to share with.

Unless by "persecution" you are talking about something else.

1 - Exactly my point. What is harmful about their influences?
2- Not persecution, until there becomes direct, purposeful campaigns of outright discrmination, destruction. It is natural for their to be friction bewteen communities of different cultural backgrounds. This happens between all different groups. My questioning centres on why with Jews does it escalate to the point of viloence, more so than other societies? If one looks over the historical record.


You are asking me a question that is probably beyond my ability to explain, though I will still try, nevertheless.

I believe that Jews have evolved (as a result of having lived among cultural, religious and racial aliens for a long period of time) into a people with certain innate, biological/genetic traits that predispose them to behaviors that are advantageous to themselves, yet harmful to those surrounding them/those who aren't Jews.

Something which Christians, Muslims, Atheists etc are not capable of doing? Could it be that certain people have been indoctrinated to believe such differences and look at extremes as proof of a general case? Is it a case of jealousy, where because Jews are in a disadvantaged situation, they have taken it upon themselves, to work harder and be more direct and determined in their actions, they have as a result reaped better rewards?

This has left the other population feeling cheated, as they asssumed because they were originally there they deserved the rewards, even though they never worked as hard as the Jews may have?

I tend to think that their religious believes/cultural values are a manifestation of these biological traits; as in, the former are caused by the latter. I could be wrong though.

A study of the DNA makeup between ethnic Palestinians and Jews show remarkeable similarities. Yet, no one cries foul of the Palestinians biological traits.


Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said "they deserve it". I did, however, say that there are usually reasons, and most likely good ones too. Also, instead of asking me, why don't you do some research yourself? And while you are at it, you probably want to keep an open mind about it. And by that I mean, you probably shouldn't go into it with the mindset that the Jews are a poor oppressed/persecuted people and I am gonna prove that they are blameless/it's all the gentiles' fault.

If a person ends up in trouble and this was usually with a good reason, by definition does this not mean you deserve it? I made an assumption based on the tone of the responses. If I was wrong I apologise.

There must be some reasson for the rise of anti-semitism. I am trying to establish that. This forum has not offered any reasonable reasons. Responses recieced base on personal beliefs and bigotry. No documented proof or sources have been provided. No one can provide a list of Jewish atrocities committed. I begin to doubt the case of anti-semitism, when all i can see is a torrid of responses drenched in personal bias. No facts, just assumptions.



1. You are making very little sense.
2. Are you saying that these gentile/Christian societies decided to subjugate the Jewish people because they were in a dominant position/just because they could? Is this what you are saying? I ask because it doesn't make any sense. Why would those in a dominant position subjugate others for no other reason than just for the hell of it? Note I am not saying that people in the position of power don't abuse their power; I am just saying that usually they dominate/subjugate others with a purpose. Such as to keep/maintain power to themselves. But this doesn't apply in the case of the Jewish people because they tend/tended to not have much power in the first place, so it can't it.

I am trying to hypothesise possible reasons. It is historically documented, many cases where dominate cultures have subdued and exterminated smaller inferior cultures. Examples of which are the conquest of Ancient Rome, Greece and so on. I was postulating this theory of subjugation as a possible reason for anti-semitism. The only country where Jews are in the majority is Israel. Countries where they are a majority are countries where Anti-semitism is prominent.


I asked a question (of how Jewish people came to be without a land) first. Kindly answer my question, then I will answer yours.

This is an incredibly long answer. Summarises very crudely, Jewish people originated in much of what is present day Israel. As with numerous other cultures, some people decided to explore other lands and settled in other European areas. Through conquest of the Romans, failure of a Jewish uprising to unseat the Romans from the Holy Land (Bhat Kobar revolt) the land became less and less administered by Jewish people. Conquests of the muslims and subsequent Christian Crusades further eroded Jewish influence in the Holy Land. The conquest of the Ottaman Empire of the area basically destroyed any chances of the formation of a Jewish state. It was only through the British Mandate of Palestine (formed by the Leauge of Nations post WW1), that set the ball rolling for the formation of a Jewish state.

If you (or anyone else) are interested in learning more about this and the zionist plans for a New World Order, as a starting point I suggest you do research on the Rothschild/Bauer and Rockefeller family histories, the Illuminati, the Bilderberg group, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Trilateral Commission, the Federal Reserve and the fractional banking system (I highly suggest everyone reads "Web of Debt" by Ellen Brown). There are dozens upon dozens of hours worth of helpful documentaries out there as well (popular ones include Endgame, Zeitgeist Addendum, Wake up Call: NWO, etc). Do some research and you'll discover that a lot of this stuff is less of a silly conspiracy than you might think.

Conspiracy theories!! I've researched alot about Endgame and Zeitgeist. If you want I can link you to a point by point refutation of every so called fact raised in Endgame. Every claim is analysed and shown to be false, with verifiable resources. Unlike the resources used by conspiracy theorists.

Endgmae is used by 9/11 conspiracy theorists to add weight that 9/11 was conducted by the NWO. All of their claims are based on assumptions or outright lies.

Last I checked, the Jews haven't committed acts of terrorism, haven't tried to commit genocide, don't oppress people, haven't burned people alive because of "witchcraft", aren't racist, and are proponents of education and multiculturalism.

Looks like they're better than most of you. (Being "furious", for instance, at seeing two different human beings in a relationship is absolutely retarded.)

What, by the way, is wrong with money-lending? Maybe I'm just not as retarded as the rest of you, but I don't believe in borrowing money that I can't afford to pay back.

last i checked, the jews haven't committed acts of terrorism

orly?

orly?

Lulz.

Last I checked, the Jews haven't committed acts of terrorism, haven't tried to commit genocide, don't oppress people, haven't burned people alive because of "witchcraft", aren't racist, and are proponents of education and multiculturalism.


Believe it or not, Israeli turds do not, in fact, emit a pleasant floral fragrance.

http://www.mystudydate.com/pg/blog/Martini/read/1153/you-and-your-fucking-jesus-can-kiss-my-ass-ok

You're racist for assuming that the 8 million Jews in Israel are all enlightened liberal snobs. Their government turns people into that which I just linked you to.

Jews have never committed acts of terror? Let's not forget 9/11...

Looks like they're better than most of you. (Being "furious", for instance, at seeing two different human beings in a relationship is absolutely retarded.)


Looks like you need to actually do some research on what it is you're talking about. Jewish bigotry is not new. Nor is Jewish racism AND terrorism. These people exist. They aren't the magical holy race-religion of peace.

Topics for research:
Kach, Kahane, Kahane Chai, Irgun, Lehi

Last I checked, the Jews haven't committed acts of terrorism
Mossad, Irgun, JDL, G.E. Underground, Kahane LaKnesset, Lehi. To name a few.


haven't tried to commit genocide

If you don't count the USSR, Armenia, and the Ringworm Children.

don't oppress people

Unless you disagree with them or try to fight them, then it's okay when they oppress them because it's war. Well hell if they defy you why not build a wall around them, monitor their movement, destroy their farms & orchards, bulldoze their homes & put up your own on the remains, force them into slave labor for slave wages, stuff like that is all okay because we call it war.

haven't burned people alive because of "witchcraft"
Vampires don't burn witches.

aren't racist
Just supremacist.

and are proponents of education
Proponents of Liberal education, that is. Anything else and hell, they would have you thrown in prison if they could. Someday they just might be able to.

and multiculturalism.

The catalyst of all genocides.

Looks like they're better than most of you.

All Jews are better than many of us?



What, by the way, is wrong with money-lending? Maybe I'm just not as retarded as the rest of you, but I don't believe in borrowing money that I can't afford to pay back.

It's partly a matter of opinion. Some people believe that people should not make money from doing nothing. With Usury the risks are very minimal.
Others believe that lending money should be okay but Usury should not be allowed. That is, before Usury banks would Loan money and assume risk along with the person they are loaning money too. If the operation they loaned money for failed then the bank lost money on the deal as well as the person who owned the operation who needed the extra money. Through Usury, however, the banks get the interest and take no risk because if you fail they get all your assets which they in turn sell and make most of their money back leaving you still owing the rest.
Over time, through Usury, the banks could theoretically own everything.

Believe it or not, Israeli turds do not, in fact, emit a pleasant floral fragrance.

http://www.mystudydate.com/pg/blog/Martini/read/1153/you-and-your-fucking-jesus-can-kiss-my-ass-ok

You're racist for assuming that the 8 million Jews in Israel are all enlightened liberal snobs. Their government turns people into that which I just linked you to.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. Don't be a hypocrite either, considering that this entire thread is about generalizing a group of people.

I'm also curious if someone would explain why Jews are hated for being "money-lenders"? As I mentioned earlier, it seems that the blame lies solely on the retards that borrowed more than they could afford.

Jews have never committed acts of terror? Let's not forget 9/11...


Proof? Or like everything you say in this forum, it contains a bucket load of unsubstantiated lies and personal bigotry?

You have any valid references for this statement.

Proof that 9/11 was not planned and conducted by Al Queda, run by Osama Bin Laden. Al Queda is a muslim run orginaisation. How you can claim it is Jewish is laughable.

Posting lies, and believing and repeating them thousands of times will never make them true.

It's partly a matter of opinion. Some people believe that people should not make money from doing nothing. With Usury the risks are very minimal.
Others believe that lending money should be okay but Usury should not be allowed. That is, before Usury banks would Loan money and assume risk along with the person they are loaning money too. If the operation they loaned money for failed then the bank lost money on the deal as well as the person who owned the operation who needed the extra money. Through Usury, however, the banks get the interest and take no risk because if you fail they get all your assets which they in turn sell and make most of their money back leaving you still owing the rest.
Over time, through Usury, the banks could theoretically own everything.

So, it's okay for the borrowers to be given large sums of money for nothing? That's retarded. They should be grateful that they have access to loans, and they should be smart enough to use the system within their means. I have little sympathy for the stupid.

Proof? Or like everything you say in this forum, it contains a bucket load of unsubstantiated lies and personal bigotry?

You have any valid references for this statement.

Proof that 9/11 was not planned and conducted by Al Queda, run by Osama Bin Laden. Al Queda is a muslim run orginaisation. How you can claim it is Jewish is laughable.

Posting lies, and believing and repeating them thousands of times will never make them true.

http://wikipedia.org/Jews_did_WTC (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews_did_WTC)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_so_many_people_seem_to_hate_Jews_and_Israel

So, it's okay for the borrowers to be given large sums of money for nothing? That's retarded. They should be grateful that they have access to loans, and they should be smart enough to use the system within their means. I have little sympathy for the stupid.

It's mostly opinion and the two opinions have little to do with each other. One set of people believe in no loans ever while the others believe loans should be allowed but no Collateral or Interest rates. In this manner the bank takes actual risks it doesn't amass huge amounts of the gold. The bank takes on profit proportional to its risk just as the owner does. It could be argued that the bank, not the person, should be grateful for the opportunity to invest with such a person. It's like the stock market.

http://wikipedia.org/Jews_did_WTC (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews_did_WTC)


LOL did you actualy read that site you posted?

I"ll quote from the site to illustrate how ridiculous it is: I HAVE IRREFUTABLE PROOF. FOUR SIMULTANEOUS DAYS IN ONE ROTATION OF EARTH, EACH QUADRANT OF EARTH.

Man is personified pyramid, 1 corner of time cube, 1 24 hr day. 1/4th of a person. pyramid * 6 equals star of David = the BALANCE = 11:11 = equilibrium in timeSpace. Four 24 hr days, simultaneously, equals 11:11 - 11:11 = natural balance. 6/11 = 11\9 = 9/11:11\6 = cubeless Jews did wtc.

Its a joke. The mathematics is non-derivational, it is adjusted to fit a specific answer.

This has got to be the most irrational pice of crap ever posted in support of a 9/11 conspiracy. The website has no scientific proof. It has no evidence it has NOTHING!!!!

The website you link to has NO authority in any real world scientific circles what so ever. It does not contain peer reviewed journals, or anything written by acclaimed scientists, historians or any educated person. How can you take anything that this site says seriously, when its motto is: Welcome to Encyclopedia Dramatica
“In lulz we trust.”


If this is all you have to proof Jews did 9/11, then you have failed. Sorry. Better luck next time. If you can provide proof, proper court room style proof, then we can consider your theory.

Here is a real website with real proof of who was responsible for 9/11.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home

Compare the two websites. See how each one is written. See how this webiste has hundreds of sources from reputable organisitions, with stringent scientific requirements and standards.

Want more websites with real proof, try this one for size:

http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18

This was a pathetic attempt to proof your story. Your credibility as an informed debator has slipped even further. After posts proclaiming it should be alright for 80yr old men to have sex with 12 yr old girls and this post, your opinions will not garner the interest you wish. Posting a link to a website with blatant fabrications and lies is dishonest and erodes your integrity.

You FAIL!!

LOL did you actualy read that site you posted?

I"ll quote from the site to illustrate how ridiculous it is:

Its a joke. The mathematics is non-derivational, it is adjusted to fit a specific answer.

This has got to be the most irrational pice of crap ever posted in support of a 9/11 conspiracy. The website has no scientific proof. It has no evidence it has NOTHING!!!!

The website you link to has NO authority in any real world scientific circles what so ever. It does not contain peer reviewed journals, or anything written by acclaimed scientists, historians or any educated person. How can you take anything that this site says seriously, when its motto is:


If this is all you have to proof Jews did 9/11, then you have failed. Sorry. Better luck next time. If you can provide proof, proper court room style proof, then we can consider your theory.

Here is a real website with real proof of who was responsible for 9/11.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home

Compare the two websites. See how each one is written. See how this webiste has hundreds of sources from reputable organisitions, with stringent scientific requirements and standards.

Want more websites with real proof, try this one for size:

http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18

This was a pathetic attempt to proof your story. Your credibility as an informed debator has slipped even further. After posts proclaiming it should be alright for 80yr old men to have sex with 12 yr old girls and this post, your opinions will not garner the interest you wish. Posting a link to a website with blatant fabrications and lies is dishonest and erodes your integrity.

You FAIL!!

It's Encyclopedia Dramatica you noob. I am sure it was a joke.

Conspiracy theories!! I've researched alot about Endgame and Zeitgeist. If you want I can link you to a point by point refutation of every so called fact raised in Endgame. Every claim is analysed and shown to be false, with verifiable resources. Unlike the resources used by conspiracy theorists.

Endgmae is used by 9/11 conspiracy theorists to add weight that 9/11 was conducted by the NWO. All of their claims are based on assumptions or outright lies.

Go ahead. In return, I bet I can link you to a point by point refutation of every one of your counterpoints.

Arguing in circles this way is quite pointless. Is there even one hot political subject out there that hasn't been debated and refuted from all sides and all angles? Couldn't you see that before posting that stupid response?

Your quest for stone cold evidence in search of truth is admirable and suggests a scientific mind, but you lack depth of thought. Listen, I don't believe in things like these because Alex Jones told me to. I believe in things like these because I've done my research on myriads of different topics, I've read differing view points and I've used my own life experiences and observations in relation to what I've read to draw my own conclusions. I don't take a documentary like Endgame as gospel, far from it. I understand its limitations and use it accordingly. It's just another resource among countless other resources out there. If you don't like Endgame, then go study the numerous other subjects I suggested. Believe it or not, the idea wasn't to sway your opinion one way or the other. The idea was to teach you to learn how to think critically/think for yourself.

Furthermore, I see you babble on endlessly about credible sources. Have you ever even stopped for a moment to ask yourself what a credible source is?

You strike me as one of those guys who readily accepts the popular and obviously truthful opinion that popular news sources often only tell half-truths or flat out lie to the population, but who'd just as quickly label anyone who presents an account of popular media lying to us a "silly conspiracy theorist", which leads me to believe that you either lack brains, lack balls, or lack both. Pick a side or start thinking things through, please.

I'm also curious if someone would explain why Jews are hated for being "money-lenders"? As I mentioned earlier, it seems that the blame lies solely on the retards that borrowed more than they could afford.

How surprisingly politically incorrect of you to suggest that the blame should fall squarely on "all those stupid people" and not on the predatory lenders who not only abuse the system to their own benefit at the expense of the masses, but who also have a large say in the way the system operates in the first place through corporate lobbying and other system manipulating schemes. If only everybody was as wise and financially savvy as DerDrache.

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Arguing in circles this way is quite pointless. Is there even one hot political subject out there that hasn't been debated and refuted from all sides and all angles? Couldn't you see that before posting that stupid response?

True. But to what extent was it refuted from both sides. How valid was the one point vs the counterpoint. Promoting a debate can expand it and explore new angles which could lead to a mutual understanding. However, my experience in debating 9/11 conspiracy theories on the Loose Change forums has taught me one thing. American's who believe their governemnet is a run by a corupt president who orchestrated the destruction of the twin towers and belongs to some secrete NWO, will never be swayed, no matter how much scientific evidence is thrust upon them. Scientific evidence that disproves their theories on every level. It is all ignored.


Your quest for stone cold evidence in search of truth is admirable and suggests a scientific mind, but you lack depth of thought. Listen, I don't believe in things like these because Alex Jones told me to. I believe in things like these because I've done my research on myriads of different topics, I've read differing view points and I've used my own life experiences and observations in relation to what I've read to draw my own conclusions. I don't take a documentary like Endgame as gospel, far from it. I understand its limitations and use it accordingly. It's just another resource among countless other resources out there. If you don't like Endgame, then go study the numerous other subjects I suggested. Believe it or not, the idea wasn't to sway your opinion one way or the other. The idea was to teach you to learn how to think critically/think for yourself.

My training as a civil engineer, does compele me to seek for the whole truth, and with verifiable sources, evidence and proof. I approach everything openely, with the full intent of understanding it, before making judgement. In my younger days I was a firm believer in the JFK conspiracy, moon landing fakes and so on. Through my education and experiences I became accustomed to real scientific method, critical understanding and the value of verifiable proof. Once I investiagted those popular conspiracy theories, evaluated scientific evidence from noteworthy scientific bodies, councils etc. It became clear how compelling a conspiracy theory can be. Once I had fully investigated the story, certain aspectys became obviously false and true.

I accept that you have also investigated further and drawn your conclusions based on life experiences and so forth. I also believe your theories are not based soley on one video. I question you, to challenge you to prove your side of the story. You may have been exposed to a few websites which were not true, this may have interested you and so you delved deeper, not stopping to check full well how valid these stories were. This was at the beggining of your studies. Starting of on a biased note has now probably lead to a predisposition for believing that side of the story. You do your research, but without realising it, you are reading what you want to read. Articles tahta ffirm your belief. Thsi may stem from personal sub-concious mistrust of authority or something to that effect.



Furthermore, I see you babble on endlessly about credible sources. Have you ever even stopped for a moment to ask yourself what a credible source is?

Yes, almost everyday. A good guidline is scientific bodies with published peer reviewed journals are trustworthy. A random website containing hundreds of unpublished theories taht haven't stood the rigour of international scientific scrutiny and debate are not so trust worty and warrant further investigation. This does not mean it is excluded.

You strike me as one of those guys who readily accepts the popular and obviously truthful opinion that popular news sources often only tell half-truths or flat out lie to the population, but who'd just as quickly label anyone who presents an account of popular media lying to us a "silly conspiracy theorist", which leads me to believe that you either lack brains, lack balls, or lack both. Pick a side or start thinking things through, please.

I never accept anything at face value. Being a South African and having a personal mistrust of the US, I couldn't have wished hard enough for the 9/11 conspiracy theories to be true. That would have been the ultimate story. Upon researching it, I read through pro-conspiracy websites and alot of it made no logical, scientific or factual sense. Delving deeper it became obvious that all of it was based on untested assumptions and biased beliefs. The belief that all authority is evil. Based on taht central belief, everything was just made to fit a conspiracy theory.

I chose my side a while back. Alot of what popular media has to say is wrong. I only offer opinions, until I understand the full story. Thsi may be challenging, but its what I believe.

How surprisingly politically incorrect of you to suggest that the blame should fall squarely on "all those stupid people" and not on the predatory lenders who not only abuse the system to their own benefit at the expense of the masses, but who also have a large say in the way the system operates in the first place through corporate lobbying and other system manipulating schemes. If only everybody was as wise and financially savvy as DerDrache.

There's no point in talking generalities. What specific interest rates were these so-called "predators" charging?

How surprisingly politically incorrect of you to suggest that the blame should fall squarely on "all those stupid people" and not on the predatory lenders who not only abuse the system to their own benefit at the expense of the masses, but who also have a large say in the way the system operates in the first place through corporate lobbying and other system manipulating schemes. If only everybody was as wise and financially savvy as DerDrache.



open a history book. it was forbidden for christinas to lend money in the medieval ages. but lo an behold, you goy needed cash to fight your silly wars an paint your silly pictures. so who did you come to for help. the jews.

it was not the jews fault they became the money lenders of the old world. it was your silly little religion