Let us stop pretending that being in the military is something more than just a job choice.

If you were truly serving our country (and not so much your own interest) we would not have tremendous incentives to join. Not saying serving your own interest is wrong or even bad, just saying you are doing a job and preforming a needed service just a like janitors, car mechanics, and teachers do.

So let's stop pretending like you guys joined up out of pure patriotism and a desire to defend America, and realize that you joined for free job training, college and a fat wad of cash after 4 or 6 years.

I have yet to see anyone in this forum in the military who has said they enlisted for country.

I enlisted for self improvement. Despite what others might try to shame in to me and no matter how they might twist words, I have absolutely zero moral objections to what I 'm doing.

Can we stop pretending????
NO WHY?
Hello captain obvious most people join the military because its the best thing for them in there present condition. thats it nothing more .period.
Those guys are still doing more than you will ever do for your country ,i bet you don't even vote.

Let us stop pretending that being in the military is something more than just a job choice.

If you were truly serving our country (and not so much your own interest) we would not have tremendous incentives to join. Not saying serving your own interest is wrong or even bad, just saying you are doing a job and preforming a needed service just a like janitors, car mechanics, and teachers do.

So let's stop pretending like you guys joined up out of pure patriotism and a desire to defend America, and realize that you joined for free job training, college and a fat wad of cash after 4 or 6 years.

I've yet to meet anyone who joined for patriotism...

I have absolutely zero moral[s]...

Fixed.

Despite what others posts I put up just days ago completely contrary to this statement..... I have absolutely zero moral objections to what I 'm doing.

Fixed

See where I said in my post "no matter how they might twist words?" Yeah. I'm fucking clairvoyant.

Or, it could be that a certain few posters are more predictable than a coin with two heads.

it could be that a certain few posters are more predictable than a coin with two heads.


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Jesus fuck. I don't think I have done more than state opinions before that post.

Do you really think I was trying to make it seem you had said that, or was it a slightly (<---Key word) humorous way of once again stating my opinions?

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Jesus fuck. I don't think I have done more than state opinions before that post.

Do you really think I was trying to make it seem you had said that, or was it a slightly (<---Key word) humorous way of once again stating my opinions?

Relax, Hans; I wasn't referring to you.

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List which few posters you were referring to?

I joined because it is the most honorable way I could go about improving myself. I take great pride in serving my country, and I'd most likely continue to serve, even if I didn't receive so many benefits. Many others in the military did not join solely out of their own self-interests...

Let us stop pretending that being in the military is something more than just a job choice.

Absolutely.

And in principle I see no reason why we shouldn't have a forum for those who want jobs in refuse collection, seeing that the forum precedent has been established.

And in principle I see no reason why we shouldn't have a forum for those who want jobs in refuse collection, seeing that the forum precedent has been established.

I for one think that a sex workers' forum would be a great step forward...

Supermarket till boy forum!! :D

Those guys are still doing more than you will ever do for your country ,i bet you don't even vote.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

I actually went to a Ron Paul rally a few weeks ago and have voted every two years for the past 10. How does that cuntish foot of yours taste?

Now that, that bit of bullshit is handed back to you, have another helping.....

Anyone who mops floors and cleans toilets is serving their country. Anyone who washes dishes in a shitty resteraunt is serving their country. Basically, anyone who works, pays taxes and consumes is serving their country by bolstering the economy, and producing goods.

You called me captian obvious but, I guess it wasn't that fucking obvious to you; I hope it is now.

Be less of a cunt next time.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

I actually went to a Ron Paul rally a few weeks ago and have voted every two years for the past 10. How does that cuntish foot of yours taste?

Now that, that bit of bullshit is handed back to you, have another helping.....

Anyone who mops floors and cleans toilets is serving their country. Anyone who washes dishes in a shitty resteraunt is serving their country. Basically, anyone who works, pays taxes and consumes is serving their country by bolstering the economy, and producing goods.

You called me captian obvious but, I guess it wasn't that fucking obvious to you; I hope it is now.

Be less of a cunt next time.

HEADSHOT!

Let us stop pretending that being in the military is something more than just a job choice.

If you were truly serving our country (and not so much your own interest) we would not have tremendous incentives to join. Not saying serving your own interest is wrong or even bad, just saying you are doing a job and preforming a needed service just a like janitors, car mechanics, and teachers do.

So let's stop pretending like you guys joined up out of pure patriotism and a desire to defend America, and realize that you joined for free job training, college and a fat wad of cash after 4 or 6 years.

Amen. I am tired of hearing soldiers bitch, because they thought it would be "cool" to kill someone. Until they killed someone...

Can we stop pretending????
NO WHY?
Hello captain obvious most people join the military because its the best thing for them in there present condition. thats it nothing more .period.
Those guys are still doing more than you will ever do for your country ,i bet you don't even vote.

Naive. The military hasn't done shit for our country since WWII.

I joined because it is the most honorable way I could go about improving myself. I take great pride in serving my country, and I'd most likely continue to serve, even if I didn't receive so many benefits. Many others in the military did not join solely out of their own self-interests...

Please bitch, everyone joins out of self-interest. Humans are driven by self-interest, please shut the fuck up. Stop making it seem like you are some how noble by supporting a military that is a drain on our economy.

Please bitch, everyone joins out of self-interest. Humans are driven by self-interest, please shut the fuck up. Stop making it seem like you are some how noble by supporting a military that is a drain on our economy.

Have you served in the military? Have you ever put your life on the line to save your fellow countrymen? I didn't think so. You have no fucking idea the reasons why people who choose to do such things, do them. You have no appreciation for those of us who will, willingly risk our lives, and even give our lives to save those of snot-nosed bitches such as yourself, even though you don't even deserve to be an American.

Have you served in the military? Have you ever put your life on the line to save your fellow countrymen? I didn't think so. You have no fucking idea the reasons why people who choose to do such things, do them. You have no appreciation for those of us who will, willingly risk our lives, and even give our lives to save those of snot-nosed bitches such as yourself, even though you don't even deserve to be an American.

Who the fuck are you saving (suggesting you, or a theoretical person who's point of view you're speaking from has served in a post-WWII war)? The guy next to you, who also had his ass drug into a combat situation? Or the boys 'n girls back home? Explain to me how you are saving your fellow countrymen in regards to the latter. Please.

I've yet to meet anyone who joined for patriotism...

Nor have I. I am considering going to the Air Force Academy in Colorado, but it is by no means to "Serve My Country." I fully expect myself to leave the US and possibly get citizenship somewhere else when I am able. That doesn't mean I'll pass up a free education and job training.

Have you served in the military? Have you ever put your life on the line to save your fellow countrymen? I didn't think so. You have no fucking idea the reasons why people who choose to do such things, do them. You have no appreciation for those of us who will, willingly risk our lives, and even give our lives to save those of snot-nosed bitches such as yourself, even though you don't even deserve to be an American.

So many things wrong with this, I don't know where to start.

Let us start with a point made by someone else a few posts ago.....American military has done nothing to defend the freedom of America since WWII. Not a single American soldier has died since WWII for anything more amazing than the stock of lockheed martin and boeing.

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My rights are not given to me by the military but by the constitution to which you are sworn to defend. So kill those who have taken away constitutional rights by inflicting the patriot act upon us. Do your job.

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I put my life on the line serving my country everyday I get in a car and fight rush hour traffic to get to work.

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And finally I have a pretty good idea the mentality of people who choose to serve by the numerous military advertisements selling points such as, jump start on life, and massive incentives.

If the vast majority of people joined out of patriotism, the advertisement wing of the military would reflect this.

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Being in the military is nothing special. It is one particular job out of many. Now go peel some potatoes and clean a bathroom with a toothbrush, you stalwart defender of oil tycoons pocket books.

Nor have I. I am considering going to the Air Force Academy in Colorado...

You plan to be an officer?
That's pretty cool, man.

All of my friends that joined the military, did so because we came from a poor ass neighborhood with shitty ass schools. Some of them didn't know what to do with their lives after we all got out of high school, some of them had children at a young age and felt the quickest way to get a start in life would be to join the military and have the military take care of their family.

I've, actually, already called a Naval Officer recruiter a few years back when me and my girlfriend were having problems. I just wanted to leave. But that wasn't the only reason I called. I specifically called the Naval branch because my family already has a history with the US Navy. I also called for a specific position within the military because I didn't want to end up doing something that had nothing to do with what I went to college for. Unfortunately, a Naval Science Officer is a pretty competitive position that has some politics involved in it. Like they want people who have degrees from top tier schools, not for people like me that came from a poor ass neighborhood and wasn't smart enough to get a college grant to MIT or some better school than State College.:(

You plan to be an officer?
That's pretty cool, man.

I scored a 97 on my ASVAB. I'm a shoe in for officer training.

I scored a 97 on my ASVAB. I'm a shoe in for officer training.

That has nothing to do with being an officer.

That has nothing to do with being an officer.

To be an actual officer, no. I will admit that. It doesn't.

However, It does have to do with getting into a military academy.

Last I knew (and feel free to correct me), if you graduate from an academy (say West Point or CO Springs) you are automatically an officer.

To be an actual officer, no. I will admit that. It doesn't.

However, It does have to do with getting into a military academy.


No, it doesn't.

No, it doesn't.

ok. Perhaps what I've come to understand is faulty. Enlighten me as to what the test is used for.

ok. Perhaps what I've come to understand is faulty. Enlighten me as to what the test is used for.

The ASVAB is used to determine the job an enlistee, not an officer, is able to perform. The higher the number, the more jobs available to that individual.

Officers work on what are known as "lines" such as intel officer, IP officer (internet stuff), medical officer, or chaplain. There are different jobs under these lines that are performed by enlistees. Officers manage all of those jobs.

Let us stop pretending that being in the military is something more than just a job choice.

If you were truly serving our country (and not so much your own interest) we would not have tremendous incentives to join. Not saying serving your own interest is wrong or even bad, just saying you are doing a job and preforming a needed service just a like janitors, car mechanics, and teachers do.

So let's stop pretending like you guys joined up out of pure patriotism and a desire to defend America, and realize that you joined for free job training, college and a fat wad of cash after 4 or 6 years.

I'm not ashamed to say I immensely enjoy being paid. I have never pretended to join for patriotic reasons.

Everyone works in their own interests at some point. Even helping others serves the interest of the volunteer. Volunteering for something looks good on resumes, and makes the volunteer feel good (sometimes). Should the volunteer choose not to feel good because that serves his own self interest?

The ASVAB is used to determine the job an enlistee, not an officer, is able to perform. The higher the number, the more jobs available to that individual.

Officers work on what are known as "lines" such as intel officer, IP officer (internet stuff), medical officer, or chaplain. There are different jobs under these lines that are performed by enlistees. Officers manage all of those jobs.

Hmm. Ok. Thanks.
I recall being told about that, but it was in addition to something about needing higher scores to be accepted into an academy.

I have yet to see anyone in this forum in the military who has said they enlisted for country.

Umm I fucking did. You can take away all my benefits and I'll be here, proudly serving. I'm here, cause most of the country is like BrokeProphet and are too much of a pussy to join.

If you were truly serving our country (and not so much your own interest) we would not have tremendous incentives to join. Not saying serving your own interest is wrong or even bad, just saying you are doing a job and preforming a needed service just a like janitors, car mechanics, and teachers do.

Unfortunately, our needed service helps keep this country stable, alive. Take for example the US Navy. We not only kicked France's ass during the Quasi Wars, but the Barbary States as well. This allowed US trade to continue, thus preventing our economy from sucking even worse than it did. (Marines of course played a vital role in this conflict). And if it wasn't for the US Army during 1812, we'd all be singing God Save the Queen.

And by the way, for the record - thats all the military is composed of. Janitors, mechanics, teachers and a dozen other mind dulling jobs we all gotta do.

..if it wasn't for the US Army during 1812, we'd all be singing God Save the Queen...

Please elaborate?

Please elaborate?

I believe he means this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812).

That's what I thought, and I even when through that page a little before I hit reply to make sure I didn't miss a vital detail. What I want is an explanation of how losing that war(like you did;)) would result in you singing god save the queen? I mean fuck, we're still part of the commonwealth and nobody has sung that shit in decades.