Anyone else agree?

Over the centuries, these religions have been responsible for eradicating hundreds of traditions, cultures and other religions.

They collectively have destroyed and banned amazing pieces of literature and replaced them with boring works which apparently preached 'the truth'.

And it's not even like it's the truth. All it was, was a meaningless scam which kept the corrupt leaders in power, and oppressed the people for centuries.

Nowadays, it's only position in society is to breed ignorant retards. The followers of Abrahamic religions are generally take the words of their holy books so seriously and believe its the 'truth': that nothing else will do: this ignorance has no place in a modern world.

Back in the good ole ancient days, where Norse, Greek and Roman mythology were prevalent, people took a much more laid back view to religion. They'd take the piss out of their own gods; give them human qualities and would even accept new gods from other cultures. There's an instance where the Romans met the Jews or something, and the Romans were just willing to accept the Jewish god as one of their own, but the Jews wouldn't accept this, and insisted that there was only one god: stirring up a tonne of pointless shit.

Fuck christianity, judaism and islam. All they've done is cause wars, poverty, oppression, corruption and countless other acts of bullshit throughout the centuries.

Anyone who follows such religions should be ashamed of theirselves.

What happened to the days where you could chill out around a campfire taking drugs and discussing tales about your various gods to provide explanations about phenomena in life? Being open minded to other people's interpretations of gods instead of mindlessly following texts...

Id rather follow said religions, than drink excessive amounts of alcohol and do drugs. Waste my time going clubbing,casioning and playing computer games.

Id rather follow said religions than support democracy, Secularism.

Also inb4islambashing.

Anyone who follows such religions should be ashamed of theirselves.

Hmmm. I think the bane of humanity is the aggression felt when faced with limitations.

Abrahamic religions are cancers of this planet, but a greater following in beliefs such as Pantheism or Buddhism could benefit this planet greatly.

Oh please, Buddhism is just dumb and extremely evil. But peoples lack of understanding brings them to believe it all about peace and harmony and being in tune with nature.

According to Buddhism all human life is suffering. So you're suffering as well..Oh and yes my friend, all that suffering you undergo all comes from desire, and to achieve happiness you have to end desire by following Buddhism which is just absolute bullshit. In fact it can be the quite the opposite, meet your desires and you can be a lot more happy.

Also if you look at places like cambodia and sri lanka which Buddhism is state religion, which is well known for its civil wars.

Also they take some random kid, and tell him he is the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama who has come back in some kinda spiritual way thru this child, what kind of bullshit is that?

They also set themselves on fire in order to test how much pain they can take.

Id rather follow said religions, than drink excessive amounts of alcohol and do drugs. Waste my time going clubbing,casioning and playing computer games.

Id rather follow said religions than support democracy, Secularism.

Also inb4islambashing.

So your argument for religion is the lifestyle choice?

In that case, what's wrong with religions like Buddhism, which advise against all of the above?

You totally ignored my argument about all the sin and destruction the Abrahamic religions have bought to this planet. How can you justify your believe in something which has been the root of so much suffering, yet has contributed so little?

If people want to drink, do drugs .etc so be it, as long as they don't force their beliefs on others. But with the Abrahamic religions, it is written in texts that one god is the ONLY way, and there is no tolerance of anything else. Such beliefs will never lead to peace - only bickering over something extremely pointless.

Oh please, Buddhism is just dumb and extremely evil. But peoples lack of understanding brings them to believe it all about peace and harmony and being in tune with nature.

Name me the evils which have arose from Buddhism? Please, I'm intrigued.

According to Buddhism all human life is suffering. So you're suffering as well..Oh and yes my friend, all that suffering you undergo all comes from desire, and to achieve happiness you have to end desire by following Buddhism which is just absolute bullshit. In fact it can be the quite the opposite, meet your desires and you can be a lot more happy.

You haven't comprehended my argument. I'm not saying Buddhism is the correct way, I'm pointing out that animist or polytheist, tolerant religions are far more beneficial to this world than ignorant, untolerant monotheist religions. People can be Buddhist and not force their beliefs on to others, but it seems to be a re-occuring theme in Abrahamic religions, that followers must try and force their beliefs onto others. This is despicable, and has caused so much destruction.

Also if you look at places like cambodia and sri lanka which Buddhism is state religion, which is well known for its civil wars.

Find me a source which states that religion was the cause of these wars as opposed to economics and politics.

Also they take some random kid, and tell him he is the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama who has come back in some kinda spiritual way thru this child, what kind of bullshit is that?

It's as much bullshit as the bullshit you believe. But at least they believe peacefully and without the belief that all must be Buddhist.

So your argument for religion is the lifestyle choice?

No, the understanding behind that kind of behaviour and why not to engage in such acts

In that case, what's wrong with religions like Buddhism, which advise against all of the above?

The difference is divine revelation which would be taken a lot more seriously, than what some guy thinks.


You totally ignored my argument about all the sin and destruction the Abrahamic religions have bought to this planet.

Human ignorance brings destruction to the planet. It's ignorant to judge religions based upon the followers.

If people want to drink, do drugs .etc so be it, as long as they don't force their beliefs on others.

We are all part of the same society and community. So it is very vital that there be respect and decency. People who drink excessive amounts of alcohol and walk around intoxicated starting fights, screaming, being sick in the streets and abusing people who pass by, can not be tolerated. Based upon their total lack of respect for other citizens is in a way forcing their behaviours on others. Showing total disregard for other humans. Also to make a related point, some few thousand every 52 weeks die from the result of second hand smoke. The death toll has gotten so big, the government had to step in and say listen we're introducing a smoking ban in public places. Had it not been for this...the smokers would have just carried on without no care in the world for health of other people.



But with the Abrahamic religions, it is written in texts that one god is the ONLY way, and there is no tolerance of anything else. Such beliefs will never lead to peace - only bickering over something extremely pointless.

You're living in a dreamworld, my friend. What is this peace that you speak of?..you speak as if you have something established. There will never be peace concerning Islam, you know why?...because it never states its going to bring some kind of world peace. In fact it states the opposite. It says there will always be murderers, drunken people, gambling, prostitution, disbelievers, adulterers etc etc..until the end of time. But for some reason you have this thing stuck in your mind that it suppose to bring some kind of peace.

Even with religions removed there is still not going to be world peace. They removed religion and replaced it with democracy and secularism, yea as if they haven't coursed any wars.

Even if everybody converted to Islam, there still wouldn't be world peace, because you will always have ignorant people.

Life is a process of disagreement.

Name me the evils which have arose from Buddhism? Please, I'm intrigued.

Uh how about taking some random child and abusing him by making him believe that he is a reincarnation of the dali lama and he is to live accordingly to the rules of buddhism, even not allowing him to engage in sex.

Also there was a Buddhist man who killed thousands of people(probably even more), its called the slaughter of baghdad.

but it seems to be a re-occuring theme in Abrahamic religions, that followers must try and force their beliefs onto others. This is despicable, and has caused so much destruction.

Not at all. You are allowed to live as a non-muslim under the islamic sharia law.

It's as much bullshit as the bullshit you believe. But at least they believe peacefully and without the belief that all must be Buddhist.

Again, you can live as a non- muslim under the sharia law. Religion is rules, that is whole point! its a guide for humanity to follow. In order for the world to function, then it must be followed properly. It is a very strict religion for all the right reasons. If you remove the strictness, then you only have people trying introduce all this other crap, that they think I SHOULD FOLLOW.

Islam is also a political system. How is the government that support democracy and secularism, not doing exactly the same thing to me, as religion is doing to you?

These people act as if the world has also be democratic and secular. Where democracy has changed things, religion will come and change it back.

I say fuck anything that says that being a human is wrong.

Human life is not fucking suffering. Human life is what you make of it.

[insert more recycled rhetoric here]

And to conclude, I would like to repeat that anything that says that being a human being (or denying any of your basic urges such as for food or sex) is wrong, should go die.

r3vVy, what you need is a big fat cock to suck on.

r3vVy, what you need is a big fat cock to suck on.

You're just pissed you know I'm right.

Tell me what Abrahamic religions have ever contributed to society. If these outweigh the pain and suffering they've caused, I'll reconsider my stance.

Until then, you can keep on sucking on your one god's cock for eternity.

the pain and suffering they've caused..

What is this pain and suffering that you speak of?. Yea sure, there have been wars in the past in the name of those religions, by how can you point the finger at those specific religions and blame them.

Even today, George Bush is a Christian and a lot of the US troops are Christians, George Bush is still ordering troops over into other countries and the troops are dropping bombs, shooting people etc ect.

Only an ignorant person would point the finger at them and say, look this is Christianity, look what Jesus told them to do. When in reality that is just outrageous. It's only right for us to look past their actions as individuals and study the scripture for ourselves.

Im not sure of your belief system/or lack there of, but lets make another example.

Recently there was a young eighteen year old man by the name of Pekka-Eric Auvinen. This man was an atheist and a Social darwinist, he believed in evolution and natural selection.One day he decided to walk into his Jokela high school and kill students, he killed a total of nine people on that day. Here is a quote before he killed those individuals.

"I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection

Now, would it be fair for me to take this man reasons behind his actions and blame atheism and science? Of course not, it would immensely ignorant of me to do so.

This is what people do to religion constantly and continuously.

Right, I've been a bit full of hate and bit angry in this thread, i.e. an asshole, so I'll try and tone it down and have an interesting discussion here. I'm actually willing to change my mind and learn more about religions. A lot of what I'm basing my arguments on is through my interest in the past of Christianity. I admittedly hardly know anything about Islam and Judaism. I'm assuming that the 3 main monotheist religions aren't different enough for them to be exempt, though maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Islam being the newest religion has corrected some of the flaws in Christianity. Please don't try and convert me because my religious views are personally constructed: custom built for what I find beautiful in life.

I'm usually sympathetic towards Muslims, but mainly due to the oppression they've felt from Christians in the past. From what I've gathered from film and literature, the people of the Middle East are quite humble, peacfeul and wise people. But my main concern is that this is only because Islam is economically and militarily the weaker side when compared to Christianity (you cannot deny this), and therefore as Christians have had the upper hand throughout much of history, it seems like they are the ones being oppressed. My fear is that if the Islamic nations were to be stronger than the Christian nations, the same would be applicable in reversed roles. If you understand?

Which is where my main problem with Abrahamic religions come from: taking monotheism too seriously. Extreme believers are so convinced that their one god is THE correct god, that they are pretty much unopen to accept others views, and this may actually resort to violence, to try and convince people to convert or force their beliefs upon them. Just like other religious texts, I absolutely love hearing and reading the tales from other cultures: the holy books are literary gems, and the messages on family and social values they put across are needed in today's world, but it's just the whole only one god thing which is bringing these religions down in my opinion. They encourage believers to be ignorant and blind to other cultures. It's such a shame.

What is this pain and suffering that you speak of?. Yea sure, there have been wars in the past in the name of those religions, by how can you point the finger at those specific religions and blame them.

As for the pain and suffering:

The Crusades. You cannot say "sure, there have been wars in the past..." when referring to the crusades. The Crusades; the rise and spreading of the Holy Roman Empire is something which is a very, very shameful chapter in the history of monothesim. When the Holy Roman Empire spread through Europe, hundreds upon hundreds of cultures were destroyed, and the people's were forced to follow Christianity. I've studied Archaeology, and as previously mentioned, I enjoy reading old literature, and I find it very dissapointing that Christianity was responsible for the destruction of the traditioanl cultures in Europe. And not just the conversion, but the brutal methods they employed to force this conversion. The torching of towns, the massacring of non-believers .etc .etc - a very dark time.

Then there's the corruption. Christianity is a religion based upon control through fear: the fear of death, the fear of hell, the fear of wrongdoing. The religious elite exploit this fear for their own hypotrically greedy purposes. People having to pay the church to redeem themselves; the waging of wars in God's name; kings having to comply to the orders of Rome; the burning of witches, and so forth.

Then there's the missionaries during the colonial times. Hundreds of African cultures were destroyed as the colonial powers converted the masses to Christianity; Amerindian, Aztec and Inca civilisations were ruined and forced to convert. It's a re-occuring theme that Christianity has been at the helm of a lot of Imperialist powers. We're also seeing this with America today.

I'm not actually sure here, but was Genghis Khan Muslim? And the Mongolian empire also Muslim? As I come to think of it, have all major world empires been fuelled by monotheist religions? Interesting, I've never considered this before... There's bound to be examples I'm forgetting about though.

Even today, George Bush is a Christian and a lot of the US troops are Christians, George Bush is still ordering troops over into other countries and the troops are dropping bombs, shooting people etc ect.Point's kind of addressed above.

Im not sure of your belief system/or lack there of, but lets make another example.I believe in all sorts really. My main firm belief lies in science. Like as religious folk turn to religious to explain natural phenoma (sp?), I turn to science for explanations. But I like to look at the beliefs of various religions and take their concepts metaphorically: to apply them to life as a bit of a comfort and to make things interesting. I mainly love the ideas of karma, pantheism and the Gaia Theory. I know they're not realy true, but I just like the ideas of them, ya know? I'd never try and convince someone that my beliefs are true and the only way; I'm open into accepting other fascinating ways of explaining life, and this is where I believe people like me differ from believers of Abrahamic religions. Maybe I'm being a bit hypocritical because this thread is all about promoting my beliefs. But it's promoting tolerance and trying to accept as opposed to promoting ignorance and fear.

Recently there was a young eighteen year old man by the name of Pekka-Eric Auvinen. This man was an atheist and a Social darwinist, he believed in evolution and natural selection.One day he decided to walk into his Jokela high school and kill students, he killed a total of nine people on that day. Here is a quote before he killed those individuals.

Now, would it be fair for me to take this man reasons behind his actions and blame atheism and science? Of course not, it would immensely ignorant of me to do so.

This is what people do to religion constantly and continuously.He's a fucking idiot. He's no different from a crusader. Social darwinism is bullshit because it's about people affecting the rights of others and believingcertain people are superior.


Whoh, bit of a long post here. Just for a bit of interest, I started this thread when the weather was shit, and I made this reply as it's nice and sunny outside and I've been chilling in the garden :D I'd love to know how the climates of the world have affected the rise of certain religions. The desert plays a big role in Abrahamic religions: an area devoid of life, whereas more traditional, polytheist religions find fasincation in areas such as the sea and woodland.

It's also worth pointing out that the imperialism bought from monotheist religions has been responsible for a lot of the technological evolution of mankind. So maybe they have been beneficial, though China and Japan may debunk this, and there's also other factors to consider...

Revvy, Genghis Khan wasn't monotheistic, although it is believed that he could have been a Tengriist, a religion which was the religion of most Turkic and Mongols. And even though Tengriism focuses on the worship of the sky deity Tengri, it incorporates quite alot of elements of shamanism, animism, totem and ancestor worship and so on, so I don't think it could be quite called a monotheistic religion.
But, he could also have been(and probably was) a believer in shamanism.
Another interesting thing is that he supposedly developed and interest in Buddhism and Taoist teachings, but after meeting a Taoist monk and getting a negative answer to his request if there was a teaching or medicine that would make him immortal, lost interest in these two religions.

So in short - Genghis Khan wasn't Muslim.

Revvy, Genghis Khan wasn't monotheistic, although it is believed that he could have been a Tengriist, a religion which was the religion of most Turkic and Mongols. And even though Tengriism focuses on the worship of the sky deity Tengri, it incorporates quite alot of elements of shamanism, animism, totem and ancestor worship and so on, so I don't think it could be quite called a monotheistic religion.
But, he could also have been(and probably was) a believer in shamanism.
Another interesting thing is that he supposedly developed and interest in Buddhism and Taoist teachings, but after meeting a Taoist monk and getting a negative answer to his request if there was a teaching or medicine that would make him immortal, lost interest in these two religions.

So in short - Genghis Khan wasn't Muslim.

Thanks for clearing that up :D I just realised that I got him confused with Saladin. I'll look into Tengriism, sounds pretty interesting.

That throws my hypothesis out of the window :P

Meh, I'm not very interested by Tengriism - it's just another ethnocentric native religion with a large smattering of shamanism in it. Plenty of those around, really, and not too many great revelations or ideas in it.

As for the original question - I completely agree with you that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are quite harmful to the human race as a whole. Admitedly, we might be technologically less advanced if the Big Three hadn't come around(imagine all of the technological advances, especially in the Middle Ages, that came from the holy wars!), but that's a risk I'm willing to take, if that meant getting rid of the fundamentalists and wackjobs.
I don't think that we'd ever get everybody to get along - ethnic and geographic tensions would certainly remain firmly entrenched, but damn, imagine how many lives could have been spared if the crusaders hadn't gone on their crusades or the 9/11 bombers not flown planes into towers for their god, and those are just a few examples.
So, while we probably are as technologically advanced as we are in some part because of these three religions, a good portion of that technology is certainly destructive and the overall impressions from these religions certainly aren't positive.

Initially, I'm inclined to agree. The Abrahamic religions are responsible for an incredible amount of suffering and misunderstanding. So far everything I've seen here is worth reading, except for the guy who hates Buddhism, and I think, doesn't understand it. But I've just got one thing to say in Abraham's defense.

The Abrahamic religions are unique in that they have a very strong focus on justice, and this is what I like best about them. It's from this focus that civil rights leaders (read: MLK) came, and folks like Mother Teresa, and a whole bunch of other people and humanitarian efforts. The Eastern religions are not focused on justice, and in my opinion they are apathetic about justice. This is just a generality, of course, the biggest counterexample is of course Mohandas Gandhi.

I'm Wiccan, and was raised Episcopalian Christian, if anyone was wondering.

The primary monotheistic religions in our world are certainly plagues on the minds of mankind. Oh, and add me to the voices saying keybear doesn't know the slightest damn thing about Buddhism.

This entire railing against any one particular religion or group of religions is ridiculous. You seem to think that wars are fought because of religion, when they are fought because of power structures and human greed, nothing else. You need to do some more research into Marxism.

The message of the religious texts is irrelevant. The Crusades was the result of the power structures that dominated medieval life wanting an excuse to expand their power. If it hadn't been Christianity as the dominant religion, they would have used any other excuse, even Buddhism if they had to. Christ's message was largely one of peace and tolerance, but that didn't mean a damn thing to the medieval Catholic Church, just like it wouldn't have meant a damn thing had the dominant religion been different. Evil people will use anything to their advantage to gain an ever increasing amount of wealth and power over others.

Or in many cases look at the eastern religions and their idea that material desire leads to suffering. Hate to break it to you, but the tyranny of evil men leads to human suffering. The people don't need to be taught that suffering is the natural course of life. Throughout history people could have lived a far happier, more productive and healthy life if it hadn't been for the product of their labor being stolen by the evil men in charge. All the major religions, even pantheistic and eastern ones, can be used to the advantage of evil men. A religion could say as the first words of it's holy text "Thou shall never kill someone that has brown hair" and guess what some government funded theologian would do? He would come up with historic "evidence", other pieces of scripture, divine intuition, or who knows what the fuck else all to "prove" that the prophet didn't mean never in the same way we might mean never. It's irrelevant what the religion is, the powers that be would find a way.

That's why your idea about the Abrahamic religions is misguided. If it hadn't been for them, there simply would have been another religion. The disgusting human sacrifices of the Carthaginians for example, or the Roman pantheon supporting the state institutions. All of this is just what happens when evil men try to maintain power over a populace. The easiest way has always been to say that divine powers mandate the current government, particularly given religions lack of scientific falsifiability.

Given enough time and enough sheep, all religions are bad.

Humans are selfish greedy creatures. No matter how much you try to kill or destroy your ego, you will fail.

Enlightenment is the greatest lie of all.

For this reason, all religions are doomed to become a detriment to humanity. All it takes is one evil douche bag shepard to taint a flock. The Abrahamic religions are in no short supply of douche bag shepards. Ergo, Abrahamic religions are a bane for humanity.

There MAY have been a time in history in which believing in magic, evil fruit, and zombies was beneficial to humanity. The fact is, it is no longer in our best interest to belief in ancient folk tales and magic.

If we believe the levies broke in Katrina b/c God did not like Mardis Gras...........why rebuild them? Why defy a deities will?

Luckily enough people use the grey matter betwixt their ears to realize religion for the foolish, pointless endeavor it truly is.

Wow broke, did you want to become a preacher before you converted?

Because you sure have the talent.

Wow broke, did you want to become a preacher before you converted?

Because you sure have the talent.

Pure ad hominem? Wish I could say I am surprised. To indluge you, however:

I did not convert. That almost suggests, at least in the parlence of our times, that I adopted one form of theism for another, which is simply not the case.

I abandoned theism is a better way of putting it, so that now, it can be said I am without theism.

Also, I appreciate you recognizing my talent for delivering ideas. If you mean it to be insulting to compare it to preaching, you have (not surprisingly) once again failed.

playing computer games

I don't think this is mentioned in the Bible.

Also, the Crusades were a little more complicated than 'religion did it'.

I abandoned theism is a better way of putting it, so that now, it can be said I am without theism.

That is a better way of putting it.

Also, I appreciate you recognizing my talent for delivering ideas. If you mean it to be insulting to compare it to preaching, you have (not surprisingly) once again failed.

You appreciate that I recognize it? Why? What the hell does that mean?

A talent it is, yes. A frightening talent, when wielded by someone with desire to control others. Hitler had great oratorical skills ... I hope you never take it that far.

A talent it is, yes. A frightening talent, when wielded by someone with desire to control others. Hitler had great oratorical skills ... I hope you never take it that far.

If someone became the next Hitler by posting on Totse, I'd give them a fucking cookie for effort.


Oh yeah. To keep this on topic: Hitler was a Christian. lulz


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 65. )

I agree with you, r3vVy. No reason to waste a thousand words on countless paragraphs saying shit that is worthless anyway. Fuck all the followers of Abrahamic religions. Want proof? Just look at this wikipedia picture I found.

linkage (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Abraham_tomb.JPG)

Notice the giant cumstain on Abraham's grave in the lower right corner. If that doesn't make all of his followers complete faggots, them being absolute retards sure does.

If someone became the next Hitler by posting on Totse, I'd give them a fucking cookie for effort.


Oh yeah. To keep this on topic: Hitler was a Christian. lulz


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 65. )

Christians just ignore everything bad and run with what follows their argument.

Think about that statement. Why didn't God step in and stop him?

You can argue, "Oh, but he did!"


Wasn't it a little late?

That's how it always works.

Christians.. YOUR GOD IS ALL POWERFUL. He can literally stop the world in it's tracks.

Why doesn't he stop evil?

Because the bible was simply written around the fact that the world is a random, often very harsh place, and offers a weak explanation for it. "God controls it, but it's often unpleasant and unpredictable. Also, you will never ever see or hear from God beyond a vague experience. You have to believe in him to go to heaven, so even if you were born in Asia, where Christianity hardly exists, you will go to hell."

Does that make sense?

Basically, the majority of Asia is going to burn for all time. yes, they will be tortured for all of eternity for not abandoning their childhood religions for an unknown faith.

You cannot accept statements such as these and believe that God is all loving. He simply has not shown himself. If he shows himself to only Christians, then that is not fair. He is clearly not all loving for letting people of other religions be tortured only because of geographical differences.

EDIT: This seemed a little harsh, so just know I didn't mean to offend anyone. Naturally, it might, but understand it wasn't my intention.

Christians just ignore everything bad and run with what follows their argument.

Agreed. :)

Agreed. :)

It's like saying "The rain comes every day" and when it rains, saying "I told you so" but on sunny days "it didn't want to come."

Wait that's a horrible analogy.

:/ Whatever.

r3vvy, the problem isn't the religion, it's the followers. People are sick, regardless of what ideals they hold as truth. Take away the religion and there's still the aggression that results in mass murder via warfare. All that will change is the excuse used to justify the slaughter.

War doesn't happen because people think Jesus was an avatar. It happens because we're so fucking fed up with life that we begin to think killing ain't such a bad idea. Pull your head out of your ass - if you don't treat your aggressions, you act on them. This has shit all to do with how you perceive the truth, and much more to do with personal and governmental relationships and the failed desires of both parties.

On a side note: Imagine how much MORE over populated the earth would be had millions upon millions of potential fathers not been slain in the various wars of history? Fuck Africa, the entire eastern hemisphere would be hell on earth! (Just something to consider for you tools who think death such a horrific happening...better to die a hero's death than live as a caged animal being starved to death)

I'm usually sympathetic towards Muslims, but mainly due to the oppression they've felt from Christians in the past. From what I've gathered from film and literature, the people of the Middle East are quite humble, peacfeul and wise people. But my main concern is that this is only because Islam is economically and militarily the weaker side when compared to Christianity (you cannot deny this), and therefore as Christians have had the upper hand throughout much of history, it seems like they are the ones being oppressed. My fear is that if the Islamic nations were to be stronger than the Christian nations, the same would be applicable in reversed roles. If you understand?

While Islamic countries now are weaker as a whole, the Islamic World back in it's heyday was arguably greater than the Christian world.

I wouldn't say that Islam has been a completely peaceful force. Unlike Christianity, Islam spread mostly peacefully. The most notable exception to this include India where there has been a historical trend of conflict between Muslims and Hindus and horrible oppression on the part of Muslims. Also Islamic society, while tolerant, wasn't exactly acceptant of Jews and Christians. They had to pay special taxes and I believe that's probably the reason why they did tolerate them. Extra revenue for the government. Jews and Christians also were not exactly the top of society in the Old Islamic world.


I'm not actually sure here, but was Genghis Khan Muslim? And the Mongolian empire also Muslim? As I come to think of it, have all major world empires been fuelled by monotheist religions? Interesting, I've never considered this before... There's bound to be examples I'm forgetting about though.

As said, Genghis Khan was not Muslim. However, the Mongols who controlled India, the Mughals were Muslim. I would hardly say that all major world empires have been fueled by monotheism. I mean, the Romans were the greatest empire at their time and Christianity didn't start to catch on at all really until Constantine. Before then, Christians were a heavily persecuted minority.

Anyone else agree?

Yes and No... More Below

Over the centuries, these religions have been responsible for eradicating hundreds of traditions, cultures and other religions.

Not gonna deny it... They wiped out many other religions and shamanic practices... Let us not forget the Christians extremists who burned down the library of Alexandria.

They collectively have destroyed and banned amazing pieces of literature and replaced them with boring works which apparently preached 'the truth'.

Well yes and no, The Bible I see it as is not the same way I used to see or many people see it. To me its esoteric. I would however, disagree the most when you say boring The Philokalia is hardly boring for the spiritual seeker, and writings of many contemplatives are great aid to the contemplative lifestyle of searching for what God is.

And it's not even like it's the truth. All it was, was a meaningless scam which kept the corrupt leaders in power, and oppressed the people for centuries.

Well, it has truth value... What I will agree with you with is that it has been corrupted by way of:
- Misquotes
- Removals
- Additions
- Revamps

Of most of the teachings. In fact The dead Sea Scrolls, The Nag Hammadi Library is probably far less corrupt than the Canonical Gospels. However, I would learn to read to The Canonical Gospels in their original Greek, if one wants to learn the truth to the Bible, not what comes out of the Bible but to the Bible!

Nowadays, it's only position in society is to breed ignorant retards. The followers of Abrahamic religions are generally take the words of their holy books so seriously and believe its the 'truth': that nothing else will do: this ignorance has no place in a modern world.

We MUST be careful than, not to destroy the books or their messages but to change the way we approach the books and their interpretations. Yes, fundamentalism walks with Fanaticism, yes, this is an unhealthy relationship, yes it breeds ignorance. However, its not the books themselves or the spiritual experience surrounding them but rather the improper way of interpreting them.

Back in the good ole ancient days, where Norse, Greek and Roman mythology were prevalent, people took a much more laid back view to religion. They'd take the piss out of their own gods; give them human qualities and would even accept new gods from other cultures. There's an instance where the Romans met the Jews or something, and the Romans were just willing to accept the Jewish god as one of their own, but the Jews wouldn't accept this, and insisted that there was only one god: stirring up a tonne of pointless shit.

Actually this is not true, Rome was fiercely against New Religions. Diocletian seeing the rising Christian Threat decided to kill many Christians because, it threatened everything about the Roman way of living (worship & secular instances). Is it right to kill Christians? No! Is it right to say fuck your Gods? No! Christianity was not supposed to become this massive mega-religion equipped with child-molesting and greedy pastors who own Mega Churches.

Fuck christianity, judaism and islam. All they've done is cause wars, poverty, oppression, corruption and countless other acts of bullshit throughout the centuries.

The exoteric Abrahamic religions most certainly have bred all which you have described. However, their esoteric parts have not, the esoteric is the real representation of the religion since the esoteric is closer to the source.

Anyone who follows such religions should be ashamed of themselves.

I am not ashamed for calling myself a Christian... Those who should be ashamed are the ones who make their religion look bad... The ONLY TWO Groups are: FUNDAMENTALISTS and FANATICS oh and THE EVANGELISTS.

What happened to the days where you could chill out around a campfire taking drugs and discussing tales about your various gods to provide explanations about phenomena in life? Being open minded to other people's interpretations of gods instead of mindlessly following texts...

Their still here you gotta look for them. Watch The Pharmacratic Inquisition to see what happened with drugs and why the world today is so against the responsible use of recreational drugs!