Does anyone know anything about Oxone (potassium peroxymonosulfate). Apparently this stuff can be had as non-chlorine bleach, and if Oxone is searched on that auction place, all that turns up is different Spa treatments. Does anyone know the concentration of these? Or if they are even useful?

Sodium persulfate would due, but the stuff is just too expensive for the quantities I'd like to have. Oxone will due just fine in place of sodium persulfate, but I'm just concerned about the additives they may put in the powder.

Example: If one wants Sodium carbonate, all he has to do is go to the pool section and look around. However, you will commonly find "sodium carbonate 99%" and "Inert Ingredients 1%". Buy a bottle of that, and it'll have a very visible 1% of inert ingredients; they are bright blue as opposed to the White of sodium carbonate. Go to another store, and you'll find Sodium Carbonate 100% for the same price.

Pool chemicals always have this problem. Because of this, I don't want to order pool chemicals over the internet and run the risk of wasting my money by finding 40% of more-than-terrible "inert ingredients".

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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From my experience, the pool place oxone is good as it is, if you look around pool supply you can get it in pretty large amounts (1-5 KG). It is expensive tho' from them, but it can be source easily on some auction websites, doesn't raise any eyes ;)

Also oxone is an amazing chemical! You can do a lot of neat reactions with it!

Would you mind being a little more specific as of what information you would want about it?

sidenote: It was mentioned many times at the hive that the pool one is usually 48% if i recall correctly, or something like that. As in it comes pure but up to a certain %, i know i am not being very clear but my memory is fuzzy, more on it later :)

I'm just trying to make sure that the purity of the over the counter non-chlorine shocks are good enough to put through a reaction, and the inert ingredients wouldn't get in the way.

One of the more popular ones have the following on the label:

Potassium Peroxymonosulfate: 32.18%
INERT INGREDIENTS: 67.82%

I don't know if the 67.82% of inert crap would get in the way of the reaction.

(by the way, look in Example 5 of US Patent 4,146,582. Sodium persulfate is used, which is okay but potassium peroxymonosulfate can be used in place of it) So now everyone knows what I need the oxone for.

(by the way, look in Example 5 of US Patent 4,146,582. Sodium persulfate is used, which is okay but potassium peroxymonosulfate can be used in place of it) So now everyone knows what I need the oxone for.

hmmmmm, interesting, that 95% yield sure would be handy if you can only acquire a low quality substance.....Keep us informed, will ya?

Relevant info:

http://www.mediafire.com/?nw9itns5qy1

more later :)

Thanks for that man.

All of the over the counter products I've found, I've looked up MSDS's for each of those products. Here is an example of one of them (most of them are like this). Anyone think anything else that is NOT potassium peroxymonosulfate would get in the way of the reaction as detailed int eh US Patent I listed earlier?

CAS 10058-23-8
Potassium Peroxymonosulfate
45.2%

CAS 7778-80-5
Potassium Sulfate
29%

CAS 7646-93-7
Potassium Bisulfate
23%

CAS 7727-21-1
Potassium Peroxydisulfate
2.8%

Thanks for that man.

All of the over the counter products I've found, I've looked up MSDS's for each of those products. Here is an example of one of them (most of them are like this). Anyone think anything else that is NOT potassium peroxymonosulfate would get in the way of the reaction as detailed int eh US Patent I listed earlier?

CAS 10058-23-8
Potassium Peroxymonosulfate
45.2%

CAS 7778-80-5
Potassium Sulfate
29%

CAS 7646-93-7
Potassium Bisulfate
23%

CAS 7727-21-1
Potassium Peroxydisulfate
2.8%

I don't know if they will but i have a feeling Potassium Bisulfate will :( You could "clean" it up tho'. I would look up sol of the different stuff and try to work from there, at least try to remove Potassium Bisulfate & Potassium Sulfate.
Althought if you go on check out "professional laundry" places, you can find it, cheap and pure ;)
Use the yellow pages, or wtf you call them in the US

I was just looking at MadChemist's post and when he was talking about making benzaldehyde, he said he used oxone.

If you search the MSDS for oxone, you get the following:

POTASSIUM PEROXYMONOSULFATE 43%
POTASSIUM BISULFATE 23%
POTASSIUM SULFATE 29%
POTASSIUM PEROXYDISULFATE 3%
MAGNESIUM CARBONATE 2%

"Oxone" is just a DuPont trademark for this mixture of chemicals. MadChemist said he used "Oxone" to make benzaldehyde from Toluene.

I have reached the following conclusion: Sodium Persulfate is called for in the patent, but Potassium Peroxymonosulfate can be used, and I'm more than sure that Potassium Persulfate can be used as well. However, the only way to get your hands on either Sodium or Potassium Persulfate is to order it on an auction site, or get it from a supplier, and the cost will be higher.

If "Oxone" can be used without any problem, then there should be no reason to not get the Oxone from non-chlorine pool shock, and just calculate out the mols of Potassium Peroxymonosulfate, and account for the 43% by weight in the Oxone mixture, so you can add the proper amount of Oxone to the reaction.

I was just looking at MadChemist's post and when he was talking about making benzaldehyde, he said he used oxone.

If you search the MSDS for oxone, you get the following:

POTASSIUM PEROXYMONOSULFATE 43%
POTASSIUM BISULFATE 23%
POTASSIUM SULFATE 29%
POTASSIUM PEROXYDISULFATE 3%
MAGNESIUM CARBONATE 2%

"Oxone" is just a DuPont trademark for this mixture of chemicals. MadChemist said he used "Oxone" to make benzaldehyde from Toluene.

I have reached the following conclusion: Sodium Persulfate is called for in the patent, but Potassium Peroxymonosulfate can be used, and I'm more than sure that Potassium Persulfate can be used as well. However, the only way to get your hands on either Sodium or Potassium Persulfate is to order it on an auction site, or get it from a supplier, and the cost will be higher.

If "Oxone" can be used without any problem, then there should be no reason to not get the Oxone from non-chlorine pool shock, and just calculate out the mols of Potassium Peroxymonosulfate, and account for the 43% by weight in the Oxone mixture, so you can add the proper amount of Oxone to the reaction.

Very true! If you look in the archive i posted, you will see that he uses 43% and 80% stuff, just work out the ratios and your good :) But seriously, pool stuff (80%-90%) can be bought with no suspicion on ebay or from pool supplies! Comes in 500g -5KG bags over here, no too cheap but worth it at the end!