I can't say I believe in spirits and all that kinda shit but at the same time I can't safely say I don't believe in them. I'll leave it as a possibility that may or may not be true.

I was watching a few of those haunting shows about people that are getting tormented by invisible things and they all seem to have a few things in common. The main thing they have in common is everybodies helpless until they start believing in Jesus and ask for help. The show I just watched there was about a guy that bought a house on an indian burial ground and the retard decided to buy a book on witchcraft so he could contact the spirits of the bones he found in his basement so they could tell him were to find buried treasure.

They didn't tell him were to find treasure but they did fuck with him a fair bit. They kept waking him up at night, they tried to strangle his mother and raped his little sister (alright they didnt rape his sister but that woulda been funny). Anyway things kept getting worse for this useless bastard then he went to a witch woman out of desperation and he was a right mess he was sick and couldnt talk properly. The witch woman asked him to recite some shit like "Jesus forgive me and help me" or whatever and he couldn't even say the word Jesus and when he tried to he got possessed and his eyes went pure black and the witch woman had to beat him with a holy cross to get the demon out.

Lets say hypothetically this really happened I'm just wondering why these spirits would care about Jesus? Do these spirits believe in Jesus? These were supposedly ghosts of native Americans and there was no christianity in America so why would they care about a holy cross or jesus? Is this just a matter of beliefs? If the person believes jesus will help him his mind will play on that belief? Are all these hauntings and shit all in the mind? If so how can more than one person see the same things and why would people only hallucinate when they enter a haunted house?

If this stuff really does exist theres obviously a scientific reason why people only get rid of the ghosts when they ask for help from Jesus. If this stuff is all bullshit then why do whole families hallucinate and how come people start to hallucinate when they go into a certain house? Are these people just seeking publicity? If so why? Why the hell would they want that kinda negative publicity?

What I think is that when people pray to god the words penetrate into their subconscious mind and is accompanied with the belief that a higher force is answering the prayers and that belief gives your subconscious to thumbs up to make the change in your mind that will match what your praying for. Alot of people say prayer does have an effect and people like Timothy Leary and alot of psychologists think that prayer is just another method like hypnosis to alter your mind. As for why some houses are haunted heres a possible theory on it. There really is some unseen force left in the house a bit like radio waves only more complex something that scientists haven't discovered yet. Whatever this invisible phenomena is it influences the mind or whoevers in the area and causes them to hallucinate.

I'm just talking shit though I'm no scientist and know nothing about the paranormal but thats not a bad theory.

I can't say I believe in spirits and all that kinda shit but at the same time I can't safely say I don't believe in them. I'll leave it as a possibility that may or may not be true.

I second this. As a rule on the supernatural I'm weary of that which I haven't experienced. Ghosts? Sorry haven't had the joy of meeting one. Aliens and Ufo's? Well that's a story for a different thread...

Yea thats another one. Maybe people are actually hallucinating being abducted but we all know that everything we see, hear, smell and feel is just an interpretation of reality so in a way its a hallucination too.

The minds a powerful tool and I don't doubt that alot of these mysterious marks and scars people wake up with may have been caused by their own mind. Maybe subconsciously they did it to themselves but these scars are so precise sometimes its impossible that even a scalpel coulda done it so thats not a logical explanation.

A couple of years ago my dad was becoming a bit of a lunatic and he was reading all this UFO bullshit and wouldn't shut up about it and around the same time period he was showing me these cuts/burn marks he said he woke up with and he said he was sitting in a chair and a picture frame went flying across the room and landed in the bathroom by itself. He showed me these burn marks and they were all half circles. Perfect half circles kinda like the letter C. I think all that UFO shit he was reading activated hallucinations in his mind.

One thing I've seen for myself though is he always told me that when he gets angry or stressed lights especially street lights start flickering around him and one day I was walking down the road with him and every single street light we walked under turned off and once we passed it went back on. We were both outta our heads on shrooms though so its more likely we just had the impression they were going off as we passed them.

It would explain alot if this kinda stuff is all in our heads and to see ghosts, UFO's all you have to do is make certain changes in your brain which can be done through hypnosis, drugs or headbutting trees or other techniques shamans use.

This videos pretty cool
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IdzU_dhfgAY&feature=related
the clips with the stuff moving around look real

When I was working as a full-time shaman, I did a lot of exorcisms (only we call it entity release in the biz), so I feel amply qualified to respond to the question.

When you deal with discarnate entities (aka ghosts), they have the same beliefs and superstittiosn they had when alive. Tghus a "Christian" ghost might be affected by references to Jesus, wheras a pagan ghost would not. Kinda like the joke about the guy who flashed a rcoss at a vampire, who replied "Oy vey, have you got the wrong vampire!"

Thus a "Christian" ghost might be affected by references to Jesus, wheras a pagan ghost would not.

How do you which name to throw at them/what religious beliefs they held*?

For example if a shaman invoked the wrong name three times before hitting the button, wouldn't the spirit be inclined to think "This fucking clown is just making it up as he goes along, he's got no genuine authority at all.".

*I'm facetiously envisaging the downstairs Jewish ghost taking any spare change lying around, whilst the Catholic spirit upstairs tries to hide the birth control pills.

When I was working as a full-time shaman, I did a lot of exorcisms (only we call it entity release in the biz), so I feel amply qualified to respond to the question.

When you deal with discarnate entities (aka ghosts), they have the same beliefs and superstittiosn they had when alive. Tghus a "Christian" ghost might be affected by references to Jesus, wheras a pagan ghost would not. Kinda like the joke about the guy who flashed a rcoss at a vampire, who replied "Oy vey, have you got the wrong vampire!"

I've always believed this as well. Its good to have some solidarity on the subject. It irks me that many Christians who encounter poltergeists or even a residual spirit automatically assume that it is 'diabolical'. One assumption leads to another, and soon they're forcing out Christian spirits with Christian scriptures.