First of all know that these powers do not come from the self, atleast none that are spectacular.

Believe in Jesus Christ. He died so that you may live.

Read your bible (or buy one and read it), love God, and others as you love yourself.
Study your bible. Pray to God and worship him. Follow the law he created for you.

You rely on either the Holy Spirit or on evil spirits.

but what about divination?
You are accessing a different level or realm of the creation, and if you are not being led by the Lord you are opening yourself and giving demons permission to influence your life.

First of all know that these powers do not come from the self, atleast none that are spectacular.

Believe in Jesus Christ. He died so that you may live.

Read your bible (or buy one and read it), love God, and others as you love yourself.
Study your bible. Pray to God and worship him. Follow the law he created for you.

You rely on either the Holy Spirit or on evil spirits.

but what about divination?
You are accessing a different level or realm of the creation, and if you are not being led by the Lord you are opening yourself and giving demons permission to influence your life.

So little time,so many misconceptions. First of all, everything comes from the self, the essential self, or soul. Jesus said as much -- "The kingdom of God is within you."

Belief is an obsolete artifact of the Piscean Age. The keynote of the Aquarian Age is knowledge.

Jesus did not die. No one does. Life is eternal and death is an illusion.

In the highest reality, there is no difference between good and evil. These are merely labelsd we place on things to denote our approval or disapproval.

The Bible is mostly myth and metaphor. It should not be viewed as an authoritative source.

So little time,so many misconceptions. First of all, everything comes from the self, the essential self, or soul. Jesus said as much -- "The kingdom of God is within you."

Belief is an obsolete artifact of the Piscean Age. The keynote of the Aquarian Age is knowledge.

Jesus did not die. No one does. Life is eternal and death is an illusion.

In the highest reality, there is no difference between good and evil. These are merely labelsd we place on things to denote our approval or disapproval.

The Bible is mostly myth and metaphor. It should not be viewed as an authoritative source.

And now he comes back and replies:

Nah uh!!!

I always thought you were a shaman. Not a self proclaimed mystic...

Arms who would you say are the most powerful people you have met.
Are they those with beliefs in and respect for spirits... I'm certain you haven't been into the Himayalas - So no second hand accounts of 'I AM Transcendant Masters'

And what 'magick' have you witnessed them take part in?

Have you seen earthly bodies raised from the dead after a few days?

What is the most powerful thing you have accomplished?

^ Is any of that really important for you to understand what he's saying?

I always thought you were a shaman. Not a self proclaimed mystic...

Arms who would you say are the most powerful people you have met.
Are they those with beliefs in and respect for spirits... I'm certain you haven't been into the Himayalas - So no second hand accounts of 'I AM Transcendant Masters'

And what 'magick' have you witnessed them take part in?

Have you seen earthly bodies raised from the dead after a few days?

What is the most powerful thing you have accomplished?

Your pretty full of ignorant and arrogance aren't you?

If you want magic in yr life...

open yr eyes

You know that thing called freedom of speech that this forum was founded for? Well it seems when someone doesn't hold the opinion of the majority they are attacked and made fun of.

I'm not being arrogant I am only speaking my mind, and I am definietely not attacking ArmMerchant. (The first line of my second post was not intended to offend but to grab attention and to draw a comparison between the New Age movement and Shamanism which are two distinct and contradictory practices)

I said one thing.

He said I was wrong and attempted to impart his truth to me. In doing so ArmsMerchant brought up a topic for discussion and his views because of his history have been adopted by many.

I disagreed because of my own experiences and knowledge, I'm sure which are the same reasons ArmsMerchant replied.

Instead of saying he was wrong and attempting to pass my truth to him I've decided to resort to friendly conversation in the hope we can all come out of this discussion with more knowledge than when we entered.

So I invite you all to either discuss the points I have made in my second post or to bring for discussion your own.
And if you have nothing useful to contribute I'd ask that you read this thread but to stay out of the conversation.

You know that thing called freedom of speech that this forum was founded for? Well it seems when someone doesn't hold the opinion of the majority they are attacked and made fun of.

Freedom of speech works both ways, and it doesn't say that any idea you post has to be accepted and believed, just that you are allowed to post it. Your second sentence really has nothing to do with your first rhetorical question, since no one was challenging your right to post what you posted.

I am an atheist, so fuck your god.

I am an atheist, so fuck your god.

hell yeah brother, fuck everything other people believe in, were right! we don't need nothin'!

Anirak get out of my thread you've got nothing to contribute.

I am arguing that those with beliefs in a certain dietys are able to accomplish much more than those who believe all comes from the self.

ArmsMerchant presents the Piscean Age vs. Aquarian Age as proof belief is obselete.
I always thought the Piscean Age was the age of the Guru and being guided by a spiritual superior. While the Aquarian Age was all about self-discovery with a direct relationship with the divine.

ArmsMerchant by allowing the members of this forum to treat you as there Guru you have been going against the energies of this 'new age'.

I'm just saying that belief in truth + knowledge is far greater than knowledge on its own.

And to find what is true I'm suggesting that we search for the most potent and effective source of power on Earth.

So I ask you all the question again. What, if you can speak of it, is the most powerful non-natural event you have witnessed. And what beliefs and ideas were held at the time by the one who accomplished it.

Anirak get out of my thread you've got nothing to contribute.

I am arguing that those with beliefs in a certain dietys are able to accomplish much more than those who believe all comes from the self.

ArmsMerchant presents the Piscean Age vs. Aquarian Age as proof belief is obselete.
I always thought the Piscean Age was the age of the Guru and being guided by a spiritual superior. While the Aquarian Age was all about self-discovery with a direct relationship with the divine.

ArmsMerchant by allowing the members of this forum to treat you as there Guru you have been going against the energies of this 'new age'.

I'm just saying that belief in truth + knowledge is far greater than knowledge on its own.

And to find what is true I'm suggesting that we search for the most potent and effective source of power on Earth.

So I ask you all the question again. What, if you can speak of it, is the most powerful non-natural event you have witnessed. And what beliefs and ideas were held at the time by the one who accomplished it.

you can not separate anything from nature

you can not separate anything from nature

... oh so profound ... what's your point?

Anirak get out of my thread you've got nothing to contribute.

I did have something to contribute; I was arguing that the connection between your first two statements was tenuous, and therefore the point you were trying to make (if there even was one), was invalid.

You seem to dislike disagreement, and frankly, I'll disagree with whoever I want. Just because I'm disagreeing doesn't mean I'm not contributing.

I find it funny how you jump on me for disagreeing with you and violating your freedom of speech (once again, this does not follow), and yet you turn around and blatantly use sarcasm to attack Rizzo:

... oh so profound ... what's your point?

You're glossing over my points and calling them "not contributing" when I actually take the time to make sure my points are all well developed and clear. You seem to have no qualms about keeping your points vague, and contradictory, and I would argue that it is you who is not contributing.

Tricky I have a feeling Arms is about to school you from your 2nd to last post whenever he decides to drop in. Just my opinion though.

I always thought you were a shaman. Not a self proclaimed mystic...

Arms who would you say are the most powerful people you have met.
Are they those with beliefs in and respect for spirits... I'm certain you haven't been into the Himayalas - So no second hand accounts of 'I AM Transcendant Masters'

And what 'magick' have you witnessed them take part in?

Have you seen earthly bodies raised from the dead after a few days?

What is the most powerful thing you have accomplished?

Thank you for illustrating a few of the pitfalls of 1) using labels and 2) making judgements. Most people, I think, define themselves by what they do. What I do simply reflects the various roles I am called on to play. When I sell guns, I am an arms merchant. When I buy groceries and take them to my wife and son, I am the breadwinner. When I do psychic readings, I'm a psychic. None of this has anything to do with what I am -- my essential self, which is eternal, unchanging, immutable, immortal. In short, I am what I am--just a person, no better and no worse than anyone else.

Your questions about power are meaningless to me, because I do not define power the way most people do. When I was working in state government, I met various people who might be considered powerful--governors, legislators, various temporal movers and shakers--few if any who had moved past the first level of consciousness. (There are seven.) To my way of thinking, the most powerful person I know is my wife. She lived all of her life in poverty, was homeless for some time, did some hard prison time, and is now a semi-invalid (she almost died last year) and physically fragile. But she is tough-minded, relentlessly honest, and absolutely refuses to make any compromise regarding her integrity in any way shape or form. She is also the most loving and giving person it has ever been my privilege to know. For evidence, see
http://www.xanga.com/susu

As far as my own work and experiences, I have recounted them many times and see no point in recounting them again now. Some of the healings, soul retrievals, and entity releases I have done pretty much fall within my definition of miracle, but so what? In what way would it serve either of us for me to take any more of my precious comp time to go over this yet again?

By saying "non-natural" event, you only reveal your own ignorance, lack of understanding. Everything that happens is a natural event, be it sunrise, childbirth, or exorcism.

Did he school me?

Did he school me?

I think so.

Gee, so "school" is a verb now? Who knew?

Oh well--was it good for you?

there is a way to have magic in your life, and the is disney merchandise.

also, what are those seven stages of consciousness, armsy? im interested.

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fuck y'all haters

If you want magic in yr life...

open yr eyes

This.

Or be like the cool people and be Discordian.

www.principiadiscordia.com

also, what are those seven stages of consciousness, armsy? im interested.

I am pretty sure there is a thread here--somewhere--on this topic. I'll look if I have time.

ArmsMerchant presents the Piscean Age vs. Aquarian Age as proof belief is obselete.
I always thought the Piscean Age was the age of the Guru and being guided by a spiritual superior. While the Aquarian Age was all about self-discovery with a direct relationship with the divine.

ArmsMerchant by allowing the members of this forum to treat you as there Guru you have been going against the energies of this 'new age'.

I'm just saying that belief in truth + knowledge is far greater than knowledge on its own.

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With all due respect, you seem to be delusional. The word "proof" is not in my working vocabulary. I frequently contend that one cannot prove anything, one way or another, to someone whose heart and mind is closed against it.

True, the Piscean Age was about gurus, but it was more about written authority. This is why the Abrahamic religions are known collectively as religions of the book. Like the Sunday school song goers -- "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so." The Aquarian Age version of that would be something like "The kingdom of god is within me, for the wisdom of my heart tells me so."

"By allowing. . . . ."? Oh, really? And how am I to exercise any control over what anyone thinks in general, or of me in particular?

As far as the guru thing goes, in a sense, I AM the way, the truth and the light. But so are many other people who are way better at it than I am. I have never claimed to be superior to anyone here, neither better nor worse. Arguably, I am farther along on the apth than some, but we are ALL on the road to sainthood, and we shall all get there eventually, so what does it matter?

All I try to do is share my truth, in hopes of helping others to transcend fear, manifest unconditional love, and attain peace of mind.

Hi there.
Sincerely tricky, I think you are just like the drug abuser that years after using and enjoing drugs fucks himself because of them, drops them and then stars to scream at everyone how drugs are bad and evil. Whats wrong in this picture? I´ll tell you what, it´s the fact that HE CAN´T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE!!! If he wants to tell me that DRUGS WERE BAD FOR HIM it´s ok, BUT IT DOESN´T HAS TO BE LIKE THAT FOR EVERYBODY!

In your case, it´s the same thing but the otherway. Looks like reading the bible just did something wonderfull for you. Great, if something helps you it can´t be bad for you, but please stop the fucking "belief in truth + knowledge is far greater than knowledge on its own" because: 1- truth is whatever you want it to be (never underestimate the power of denial); 2- knowledge is nothing more than accumulated data.

Now, please allow me to explain the point number two has I see no need to do it with point number 1. What I mean with knowledge is nothing more than accumulated data is simply that thru out our existence as individuals we come in contact with information in every moment of our lifes. Be it the layout of your living room, your mothers face or even that stupid tv commercial are nothing more than sensorial stimuli that after being processed by the brain are stored as data, memorys (I don´t know the specific mechanism of memory, althrought I do believe at the moment that our memory is non finite, that is, I believe that every thing we experience is "recorded").

Soo, with this in mind, knowledge is: something observe (for example:car hits men, men dies) attached to a conlusion you make out of the observations (cars are deadly); information that is passed arround (TV, radio, books, magazines, bar talk, your granpa tales, etc). Of course this is the logical meaning of knowledge, there are people who believe in intuitive knowledge (I don´t at the moment).

Soo, with all this in mind, "belief in truth + knowledge" is constantly achieved by all living humans at all the time because: 1- whatever you believe in is the truth and; 2- the only thing you need to have to have knowledge is a brain and at least one funcional sense (of course the brain as to be funcional too).

Just to finish, my personal view on all this "magic in peoples life" can be pretty much resumed to this: "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" -Hassan i Sabbah.

PS: I felt like tipping, all things written are just personal views. Your welcome to disagree, I think this internet thing is only worth it if we can al least learn something with each other.

I think this internet thing is only worth it if we can al least learn something with each other.

This is probably one of the best things I've read on Totse.

I am pretty sure there is a thread here--somewhere--on this topic. I'll look if I have time.

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See "How to find God," by Deepak Chopra.

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See "How to find God," by Deepak Chopra.

mmh, thank you.

I am an atheist, so fuck your god.

This.

This.

To each their own
Walk the path do told
For your feet to fall down
And rise back up anew.

Waste not your time
On hate and such things
For when your mind is free
You will truly be.

EDiT: All paths anyone shall take all lead to the same place: their grave. Some are quicker. Some are safer. Others are more enjoyable. Yet NONE are "better". :D

Christians.. where to even fucking begin.

Christians.. where to even fucking begin.

You might begin by coming up with a post that has some actual content, as opposed to vague and implicit attitude.