View Full Version : While I was in the army I noticed....
Savin_Jesus
2008-06-19, 13:31
I am getting out as my previous thread stated. But I thought I should point out some things that I have noticed in the last year and a half.
People in MI are some of the most stupid people in the army with no common sense, just high GT scores.
People in the Infantry aren't all fucking retarded, but most of them are angry people who are lifers, most people in the army are miserable people who have failed at life somewhere along the line.
Rank means nothing in the real world. Once you get out, and even while you are in, rank means shit. People think that once they make Sargent they are always right. It has become so fucked up that I was assaulted by an NCO because I "passively aggressively" assaulted him in a paper I wrote.
He got signatures that I swung at him and nothing happened to him. * No one was around*
People in the army think they are the shit because they are in the army. This is the most delusional belief in the army. You are no greater that a civilian other than you can get away with rape. and I have seen it happen my company was accused of raping this girl before we left, and I wasn't involved but I knew what happened.
They drove her to another batallion and let her off. She told, and everyone stuck by each other and she was charged with lying or some shit.
It isn't that I don't appreciate a good military, but when it is as corrupt and people get away with murder something is wrong.
I have seen a lot of other shit go on, but I won't talk about it.
Slave of the Beast
2008-06-19, 16:25
You are no greater than a civilian other than you can get away with rape.
Good quote, shame they couldn't have weaved that into the forum description somewhere.
crazyass4411
2008-06-19, 21:30
Excellent post. When I was in Iraq in '06, my company pulled some serious bullshit, and as long as everyone backed everyone up, nothing ever came of it. Our Captain didn't even give that much of a shit, either. Fuck, he probably knew most of what happened, his inquiries were apathetic at best.
It can certainly be irritating.
jackketch
2008-06-19, 22:27
I remember reading years ago that the week Brit troops marched into Hamburg over 9,000 women were (gang)raped.
Now that figure seems a little high to me , probably the truth is nearer to half that.
Yep our 'brave boys', our 'heros', our 'lions led by donkeys'.
Not that rape was even a war crime back then of course.
BTW, Does anyone known the figures for the rape of Iraqi women by any chance?
crazyass4411
2008-06-19, 22:40
^Not exact numbers, but I know when i was over there, it happened three times in 12 months, and that was only my company, among thousands, and those were just the ones I heard about.
I would've reported, but it is pretty much useless to do unless you have it on video. All the soldiers stick up for one another. And if you did report it, and they knew, you'd be a dead man. They don't dick around with what they feel are traitors.
jackketch
2008-06-19, 22:53
^Not exact numbers, but I know when i was over there, it happened three times in 12 months, and that was only my company, among thousands, and those were just the ones I heard about.
I would've reported, but it is pretty much useless to do unless you have it on video. All the soldiers stick up for one another. And if you did report it, and they knew, you'd be a dead man. They don't dick around with what they feel are traitors.
For evil to triumph...
And you risk your life for this scum? Although if you don't report it for fear of your own life then that makes you a coward too. Even if nothing happens to them , what counts is you stood tall.
I pray when they get state side they don't rape anyone you love cos you'd just have to eat a gun wouldn't you?
DesertRebel
2008-06-19, 23:19
I am getting out as my previous thread stated. But I thought I should point out some things that I have noticed in the last year and a half.
People in MI are some of the most stupid people in the army with no common sense, just high GT scores.
People in the Infantry aren't all fucking retarded, but most of them are angry people who are lifers, most people in the army are miserable people who have failed at life somewhere along the line.
Rank means nothing in the real world. Once you get out, and even while you are in, rank means shit. People think that once they make Sargent they are always right.
People in the army think they are the shit because they are in the army.
All this is quoted for mother fucking truth.
crazyass4411
2008-06-20, 00:26
For evil to triumph...
And you risk your life for this scum? Although if you don't report it for fear of your own life then that makes you a coward too. Even if nothing happens to them , what counts is you stood tall.
I pray when they get state side they don't rape anyone you love cos you'd just have to eat a gun wouldn't you?
Dude, you dont get it.
This shit is reported constantly.
The Captains look terribly, terribly concerned when you go to them, reassure you that it'll be looked into with grave priority, and the next thing you know, you're dragged out of your cot in the middle of the night, having the shit kicked out of you.
If it was my choice, I'd put a bullet in the head of the motherfuckers who did it, but hey, then I'd be the one who went to prison. Believe me when I tell you, it's a fucked up situation.
And asshole, my girlfriend was raped five years ago. Don't even fucking think that I don't understand.
jackketch
2008-06-20, 07:05
Dude, you dont get it.
This shit is reported constantly.
The Captains look terribly, terribly concerned when you go to them, reassure you that it'll be looked into with grave priority, and the next thing you know, you're dragged out of your cot in the middle of the night, having the shit kicked out of you.
If it was my choice, I'd put a bullet in the head of the motherfuckers who did it, but hey, then I'd be the one who went to prison. Believe me when I tell you, it's a fucked up situation.
And asshole, my girlfriend was raped five years ago. Don't even fucking think that I don't understand.
Let me see if I have understood this aright.
Your girlfriend was raped and so you know the damage it causes but you are too scared of a beating to report a rape. You aren't even man enough to at least leave the 'service' in disgust?
But I'm an arsehole? Riiiiiiiiiiight!
Gotta admire logic that fucked up. Tell me , exactly what freedoms and liberties you're protecting by being there? Just how exactly are you fighting for Truth, Justice and Momma's Apple Pie?
Not just every real soldier reading what you wrote will be sickened but simply every man too.
edit* the fact you felt the need to call me names tells me that deep down you know I'm right and you whimped out.
ComradeAsh
2008-06-20, 07:39
Let me see if I have understood this aright.
Your girlfriend was raped and so you know the damage it causes but you are too scared of a beating to report a rape. You aren't even man enough to at least leave the 'service' in disgust?
But I'm an arsehole? Riiiiiiiiiiight!
Gotta admire logic that fucked up. Tell me , exactly what freedoms and liberties you're protecting by being there? Just how exactly are you fighting for Truth, Justice and Momma's Apple Pie?
Not just every real soldier reading what you wrote will be sickened but simply every man too.
edit* the fact you felt the need to call me names tells me that deep down you know I'm right and you whimped out.
You Mr. Ketch seem to have a bent towards meddling in other peoples affairs which don't really concern you.
Our Crazyass friend here does not. He minds his own business.
Slave of the Beast
2008-06-20, 08:43
You Mr. Ketch seem to have a bent towards meddling in other peoples affairs which don't really concern you.
Our Crazyass friend here does not. He minds his own business.
What the hell are public discussion fourms intended for other than to share opinions, dicuss thoughts and generally "meddle" with other people!?
The bottom line is our Crazyass friend has chosen to 'mind his own business' on a public forum. And if the public are not supposed to meddlle in other peoples public affairs then Jeff may as well shut up shop. That is to say Jackketch is doing precisely what is supposed to be done on a public dicussion forum like Totse.
You can disagree with Jack all you want, but don't try to assert that a section of Totse, or a topic of conversation doesn't concern him, or anyone else for that matter.
ComradeAsh
2008-06-20, 09:06
What the hell are public discussion fourms intended for other than to share opinions, dicuss thoughts and generally "meddle" with other people!?
The bottom line is our Crazyass friend has chosen to 'mind his own business' on a public forum. And if the public are not supposed to meddlle in other peoples public affairs then Jeff may as well shut up shop. That is to say Jackketch is doing precisely what is supposed to be done on a public dicussion forum like Totse.
You can disagree with Jack all you want, but don't try to assert that a section of Totse, or a topic of conversation doesn't concern him, or anyone else for that matter.
It was written poorly but I was referring to his moral bent and not the discussion of the matter.
jackketch
2008-06-20, 12:22
You Mr. Ketch seem to have a bent towards meddling in other peoples affairs which don't really concern you.
Our Crazyass friend here does not. He minds his own business.
Suuuuuure he minds his own business.....perhaps you could link me to the post where he tells us he's an Iraqi citizen and a member of their armed forces? *rolleyes*
jackketch
2008-06-20, 12:26
It was written poorly but I was referring to his moral bent and not the discussion of the matter.
Don't think I've ever been accused here of having a moral bent before....
Bent morals, maybe.
crazyass4411
2008-06-20, 20:36
Ketch, I have a lot of respect for you in general, but you're being extremely naiive on this topic.
I don't know if you picked up on it or not, but I HAVE reported rapes. As well as thefts, beatings, and questionable killing of civilians, to name a handful of atrocities that occur on a pretty regular basis. That's how I know about the reaction. Or lack thereof.
It gets nothing done but put into question whether or not my "buddies" will back me up if we get into shit out on patrol. It's not uncommon.
You tell your Captain, you get your ass kicked, and nothing happens.
You tell your Colonel after your Captain, he tells you to tell your Captain and not to break Chain of Command.
You report corruption and gross inefficiency of your Captain to Division HQ, and they tell you that they'll file it with Washington, and for you to pick it up after you're stateside, but for right now, there's too much going on to do anything about it.
It's a bunch of beauracratic ass covering that keeps anything from being done.
And I'm "calling you names" because you're saying I haven't tried to get it stopped, which is obviously not true.
And guys, he's free to call me out on anything he wants, that's why this is Totse.
Ketch, I have a lot of respect for you in general, but you're being extremely naiive on this topic.
No, he isn't being naive and as someone that has a sister that was raped at gunpoint many moons ago....I completely understand where he is coming from. Whether you told or not is irrelevant. Whether you telling was effective in getting the proper people in trouble is also irrelevant. What IS relevant is while you are trying to prattle on about how "horrific" rape is (with supposed firsthand knowledge), you are still a WILLING participant of those scenarios. Along with rubbing elbows with rapists and other pissant characters.
See, I abhor rapists because of what happened to my sis. Hell, most physical violence towards women as well....., pushing, restraining, beating, hitting, etc. And I would NEVER associate, work for, tolerate being around such individuals if I ever got the info that they did these things. Like Jack said, if I didn't fuck them up myself, I would leave. And yes you DO have the option to just go AWOL, leave the country....a whole lot of options to remove yourself from those attrocities. But instead whatever the military is "giving you" outweighs the horrific things your girlfriend had to endure. You aren't as sickened by the rape as Jack and I are, and are willingly holding out your hand to your "career" choice without a care in the world.
The biggest thing I can't understand in this whole scenario is how your girlfriend tolerates you being so tolerable of rapists and other low lifes. But then again most rape victims do have issues with self-esteem and confidence and chances are she is just "settling" with you any how. Good luck to her getting the proper counseling and healing..... and perhaps she'll someday find a man with ethics and virtues a lot more stronger than yours. A man that isn't so willing to just turn the other cheek and TOLERATE these untold horrors, all because "its his job" and he doesn't have the backbone to do something else with his life.
jackketch
2008-06-20, 23:13
And I'm "calling you names" because you're saying I haven't tried to get it stopped, which is obviously not true.
That wasn't clear from your previous posts or I missed it. Sorry.
Savin_Jesus
2008-06-21, 00:17
My chain of command did SHIT, I went all the way up and either they changed what my problems were, or just blew it off, which made it worse.
I finally had to go to the chaplain/mental health to get anything done, and by that point I had already opened my way out.
I am an adult and I expect to be treated like a man. It has become all about rank. I had some chill Sargent s , but there were some that thought that their rank was everything. Its like I was set up to fail.
After a while of shit, and more shit I stopped caring, and then I got in trouble numerous times for not caring, and no one could figure out my lack of motivation. It was obvious, but everyone ignored it.
I am a man, and I should be treated like one no matter what rank I wear I still deserve respect and common courtesy.
crazyass4411
2008-06-21, 05:15
That wasn't clear from your previous posts or I missed it. Sorry.
It's alright, I was actually pretty vague about it now that I read it back. And I understand your outrage. I feel the same about it.
And DaGuru, if you're suggesting that me "fucking up" my entire company (well over a hundred men) and then spending the rest of my life on the run from the US government, is going to somehow stop rape across the world, you're quite delusional.
And I don't associate with them, I'm trying to transfer as it is.
IIRC, jackketch has said before over in S&A that he has committed rape before. Is that true?
I am a man, and I should be treated like one no matter what rank I wear I still deserve respect and common courtesy.
Didn't you sign that away when you joined?