In the Britain "beasting" is the term given to an unregulated physical punishment, often devised at whim by a sargeant, to a soldier for any variety of misdemeanours.

Every now and again this kills (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4171505.ece) somebody.

Is there an equivalent practice in the American army, and if so what kind of punishments can be expected to be handed out for what kind of offences?

As far as physical punishment goes that I've seen, there was this kid in the armory who decided it'd be in his best interest to not hold his pistol at Raise Pistol when walking to the clearing barrel and just let it hang on his hand there. A senior master sergeant saw this and had him place the weapon on the ground as he held a front leaning rest (push up's "up" position) for about 5 minutes, then chewing him out for a while before sending him off to his section supervisor.

If this is done in a very, VERY bad condition (IE: keeping that front leaning rest up for 10 minutes in sweltering heat), then its a crime, as in your link there.

Back in the day, the only superiors to actually lay hands on you were drill sergeants in boot camp, but they can't do that anymore.

So officially, no. There are no direct physical punishments. Someone could get a nice little UCMJ Article 128 and a court martial for that.

E: Found more on it, but then again assault is pretty self explanatory anyway.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm128.htm

"The previous day, after the officers’ summer ball, an intoxicated Private Williams shouted at some guests, then squirted one of Captain Davis’s friends with a fire extinguisher. He later showed up drunk for guard duty, the court was told. "
-your article

For something like that to happen, I think he should have just gotten some legal punishments. Especially showing up drunk for guard duty, that can land someone in confinement so quickly.

umm Xip, that may be in the airforce, but....

In the army they can't hit you although I was assaulted by an NCO.

They can "smoke you" as long as they want as long as you have water.

I have been smoked for hours in full kit * about 60 lbs of equipment for some shit I didn't even do, but some kid droped my name. I later beat his ass.

I have been put in front leaning rest for an hour before, Iron mikes, low crawling, flutter kicks, It is supposed to teach you something, but it never does.

Bar of soap and a pillow case if you fuck up in basic.

Bar of soap and a pillow case if you fuck up in basic.

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

Your fellow recruits put their bars of soap in their pillowcases after lights out, and use these makeshift flails to beat you at night so you don't fuck up during the day.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3052/48738159ct6.jpg

What do you mean?

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLN4_57i-o&feature=related) is what the Marines think soap is used for.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3052/48738159ct6.jpg

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Navy boot camp issues body wash instead of bars of soap to combat this problem... yet... when they're full, they're larger and heavier than bars of soap...

It is supposed to teach you something, but it never does.

Maybe for you. You learn real quick after your first beating in basic.

Maybe for you. You learn real quick after your first beating in basic.

I had two good beatings, But I didn't really care. It was for some stupid shit.

We didn't use soap, we did lock in a sock. And it wasn't for people who "didn't get it" or couldn't hack it or whatever. It was for motivated retards (mo-tards from hereafter) who'd kiss ass, rat your buddies out or assault someone for being a shitbag.

We'd usually do more subtle things than physical assault though. The eyedrops they give you for pinkeye will make you really nauseated if ingested, for example. Our aim was to prevent some mo-tard guide or squad leader from believing he was god.

But that's just boot camp zeitgeist. Once you get out you realize how insignificant everything that happened there was. Exactly like high school.

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Navy boot camp issues body wash instead of bars of soap to combat this problem... yet... when they're full, they're larger and heavier than bars of soap...

So thats why we never got bars of soup...my suspicion it was a courtesy to clutzy homophobic recruits who were afraid of dropping the soap and bending over...

Though I did hear of guys wiping boogers on people's pillows as they slept. I never noticed - my primary concern was passing and getting out of there.

grass drillz

front, back, front,back, front, back, gooooooooooooooooooooo!

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLN4_57i-o&feature=related) is what the Marines think soap is used for.

You beat me to it.

Every now and again this kills (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4171505.ece) somebody.



He collapsed and died of heatstroke on one of the hottest days of 2006, when temperatures hit 30C

30C? That's not hot. Are british soldiers made of wax?

30C? That's not hot. Are british soldiers made of wax?

Seriously, I'd love to live in a place where 85 degrees is the hottest day of the year.

Seriously, I'd love to live in a place where 85 degrees is the hottest day of the year.

That's exactly what I was thinking, but I didn't say anything for whatever reason.

Also, here's a direct quote from a newly-commissioned LT in the Army.
remember those stress cards they give to privates? i saw a drill sergeant throw one in a pvt's face, call him a fag, then make him do pushups in a creek. apparently they don't work haha

Wait they actually did the stress cards? But ya every now and then an nco will say hey i can file paperwork or you can meet me in this isolated place and get your ass beat or Smoked

Wait they actually did the stress cards?

No. There's no such thing. There's never been such a thing. Back in the early 1990s, the U.S. navy used to issue out business-like cards to new recruits with contact info for chaplains and other resources. Some recruits started holding them up during "intensive training" (more commonly known as "beat-down sessions") and that was enough for the navy to stop issuing them.

http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.asp

HALF RIGHT, FACE.
FRONT LEAN REST POSITION, MOVE!

Yeah, you WILL get the dog shit smoked out of you every now and again, and it doesn't stop after basic either. My buddy just got the shit smoked out of him for 45 minutes yesterday. He apparently yelled at an NCO "Who do you think you're yelling at sergeant?!" Flutterkicks, steam engines, pushups, monkey fuckers, iron mikes. knee benders; the whole lot of 'em. Though look on the bright side. PTs free.

30C? That's not hot. Are british soldiers made of wax?

While 30 isn't that warm(it's 38 outside right now:o), it's not that surprising that someone would die while hung over and forced to do excessive physical activity.

hahahahahahaha wow 80 degrees. Thats fucking winter here. (2 miles from Ft.Benning)


Also several years back while my father was a Drill Sergant at Ft.Benning he smacked a recruit in the head. Apparently the recruit wasn't paying attention and they were at a firing range. The recruit was wearing the ear things so he couldn't hear my father. My father smacked him on the head to get his attention.

When the recruit failed to complete basic training he filed some sort of complaint against my father. If I remember correctly I think they just promoted my father so they wouldn't have to deal with it.

Considering most of the year we live in temperatures about 10C, then 30C to us is hot. Just like if you came here you'd find 10C very cold. Dumbasses.

Considering most of the year we live in temperatures about 10C, then 30C to us is hot. Just like if you came here you'd find 10C very cold. Dumbasses.

Yes but we wouldn't freeze to death.

Yes but we wouldn't freeze to death.

Lol, pwned.

hahahahahahaha wow 80 degrees. Thats fucking winter here. (2 miles from Ft.Benning)


Also several years back while my father was a Drill Sergant at Ft.Benning he smacked a recruit in the head. Apparently the recruit wasn't paying attention and they were at a firing range. The recruit was wearing the ear things so he couldn't hear my father. My father smacked him on the head to get his attention.

When the recruit failed to complete basic training he filed some sort of complaint against my father. If I remember correctly I think they just promoted my father so they wouldn't have to deal with it.
As far as I was aware, the Drill Sergeants can legally beat the shit out of you at the rifle range and gas chamber. Or at least that's what they told us in Basic.

Considering most of the year we live in temperatures about 10C, then 30C to us is hot. Just like if you came here you'd find 10C very cold. Dumbasses.


ok i live in an area where during the winter it can drop as low as -10C and during the summer it can reach 38C. Shit at PI it once reached like 110 there when we where on the crucible. And when i was at MCT we had a 130F heat index.

^^^Pfft, -40 to 45C here;) Both those are a little extreme, but -35 to 40 is pretty normal.

not saying that what i did compares to military training but during football(american) season a few years ago our coach made us run 5 miles in full gear in 100F heat and then continue on with practice, i find it hard to believe that this dude died from the exercise he was made to perform.

For something like that to happen, I think he should have just gotten some legal punishments. Especially showing up drunk for guard duty, that can land someone in confinement so quickly.

Back in my Legion you were beaten to death by your squaddies for dereliction....

So some of you have been forced to do 200 hand stand push-ups at just below the boiling point of water, well, that's great. But it spectacularly misses the point that a soldier was driven past his personal level of stress endurance, to the extent where he was killed, irrespective of what the soldiers level of endurance was on that day. The point is that his superiors showed utter comtempt for his personal safety.

I know you don't have to be able to kick Mensa's front door off its hinges to get into the army, but c'mon, reduce the number of 500lb bench presses and try increasing the number of active braincells instead.

Wait they actually did the stress cards? But ya every now and then an nco will say hey i can file paperwork or you can meet me in this isolated place and get your ass beat or Smoked

what does being 'smoked' mean? i am not in the army, someone tell :P

I'm a Marine being smoked means to be forced to do physical exercises usually beyond exhaustion. Or just to hold a position for such a long time your whole body shakes and failes.

So some of you have been forced to do 200 hand stand push-ups at just below the boiling point of water, well, that's great. But it spectacularly misses the point that a soldier was driven past his personal level of stress endurance, to the extent where he was killed, irrespective of what the soldiers level of endurance was on that day. The point is that his superiors showed utter comtempt for his personal safety.

I know you don't have to be able to kick Mensa's front door off its hinges to get into the army, but c'mon, reduce the number of 500lb bench presses and try increasing the number of active braincells instead.

If you fall from heat exhaustion its your own dam fault you didn't drink enough water. His body was de-hydrated. And if he can't handle that heat how is he going to handle being deployed to a desert he is a detriment to his unit.

If you fall from heat exhaustion its your own dam fault you didn't drink enough water. His body was de-hydrated. And if he can't handle that heat how is he going to handle being deployed to a desert he is a detriment to his unit.

You're an idiot.

I'm a Marine...

You're an idiot.

Seems to be a common theme.

Not that dumb im one to two years from an electrical engineering degree.

just an FYI- the guy was also found to have had exctasy in his system

"Pte Williams, of the Second Battalion the Royal Welsh Regiment, collapsed and died of heatstroke on one of the hottest days of 2006. He was later admitted to hospital where tests showed his body temperature was 41.7C, way above the norm of 37C. Tests later showed he had ecstasy in his body when he died"

Wow then he is a first class shitbag at least he isn't alive anymore to put his unit at risk.

Wow then he is a first class shitbag at least he isn't alive anymore to put his unit at risk.

How the fuck is that putting people at risk.

It means he was on ecstasy a couple of nights before. not while he was on duty. And E dehydrates you and stops you from sweating. Plus you must remember that in the UK it is not unusual to do E - it is one of the most common drugs.

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLN4_57i-o&feature=related) is what the Marines think soap is used for.

yeah it's called a blanket party

Ah, Full Metal Jacket along with Jarhead two of the biggest deterrents against joining the marine corp

How the fuck is that putting people at risk.

It means he was on ecstasy a couple of nights before. not while he was on duty. And E dehydrates you and stops you from sweating. Plus you must remember that in the UK it is not unusual to do E - it is one of the most common drugs.

Anytime you put yourself at risk of becoming addicted or are addicted to some sort of substance you are letting your fellow men at arms down. You have a dependency that limits your ability to carry out the mission. E is not some sort of drug that safe everytime you do it it damages you. I have friends who i could see loose mental capacity, if you had a bad batch you can die. When you have to depend on the person next to you. You don't want that bastard high, or retarded because his brain is fried.

yeah it's called a blanket party

Ah, Full Metal Jacket along with Jarhead two of the biggest deterrents against joining the marine corp

I don't know, FMJ kind of emboldens people to join. Jarhead was probably one of the moar realistic movies focused on the marine corps that I've seen, but it still lacks verisimilitude with regards to the fact that even still, nobody in a real inf battalion (at least not any e3 or below with a fucking brain in their head) is that much of a motard. The last time I heard someone say "oorah" was in fucking boot camp or something. It's the same thing with that new HBO show. Kinda the same idea, but still too enthusiastic.

Not everyone who joins is an idiot, but it takes a special breed of retard to reenlist as a grunt. Let me rephrase, if you have a room temperature IQ, no family, no future, and no capacity for critical thought, then reenlisting into your infantry BN is a good bet.

I read The book Jarhead and i can't believe someone could bitch for that many pages. As for FMJ i love that movie especially the bootcamp part the rest of the movie is just borring.

Anytime you put yourself at risk of becoming addicted or are addicted to some sort of substance you are letting your fellow men at arms down. You have a dependency that limits your ability to carry out the mission. E is not some sort of drug that safe everytime you do it it damages you. I have friends who i could see loose mental capacity, if you had a bad batch you can die. When you have to depend on the person next to you. You don't want that bastard high, or retarded because his brain is fried.

its ok they know nothing about personal responsibility they're probably in the Army or one of the other half-ass services

Not that dumb im one to two years from an electrical engineering degree.

nicely done boy :D