I'm planning on performing a DMT extraction from mimosa hostilis, using vinegar as an acid and NaOH as a base, but couldn't find naptha. What would be a good, easy-to-find and not-too-volatile substitute? I'm looking for something that I'm not gonna have to do 10 pulls with to get everything and something that floats on top.

So far, I've found:

Xylene but DMT is supposed to have a relatively low affinity for Xylene from what I've read.

Ether but it's a little too much of a fire hazard for my taste.

DCM but it sinks to the bottom and that would be hard as hell to work with.

And chloroform, which I doubt I could find.

BTW, I know that you can still get naptha, but my roommate refuses to believe me. JoePedo, I'm sure you can convince him.

Anything else I could use, or am I stuck working with these?

not-too-volatile substitute?

Why? If your solvent isn't going to evaporate, you're going to have problems!

floats on top.

I would imagine floating on the bottom would be ideal if you were using a sep funnel. I assume you're not and will be pipetting it off?


Xylene but DMT is supposed to have a relatively low affinity for Xylene from what I've read.

I too have heard this, but xylene is quite easily available. Not too volatile though, and I hear it can pull various other constituents.


Ether but it's a little too much of a fire hazard for my taste.

Just work outside, its quite a good solvent, with its boiling point, you could even distil 90% of your solvent back on a water bath, and freeze ppt or just evap the rest.


DCM but it sinks to the bottom and that would be hard as hell to work with.

DCM is probably ideal, and can be acquired relatively easily. If you are going to have to pipette it, I agree that it being at the bottom would be a problem.


And chloroform, which I doubt I could find.


Sadly, I bet you're entirely correct. It's depressingly enough, about the perfect solvent.

I would still say try to get your hands on naphtha, or even better, some tasty heptane, which is what I used, which worked wonderfully. Also, have a look for TriChloroEthylene, TCE, which I believe has been used in DMT A/Bs, and is very easily acquired in European lands at least.

You could always rig up a ghetto sep funnel with a plastic bag. Just cut a tiny bit off the corner and let the bottom layer leak out and pinch off right before the next layer comes along.

What country are you in? At my local hardware store two miles down the road they have Acetone, Naptha, Xylene, MEK, and many other useful chems all on the same shelf in the painting solvents section.

Why? If your solvent isn't going to evaporate, you're going to have problems!

I'm doing a freeze precipitation. I was gonna evaporate the rest of the solvent off, but I was planning on giving it to DMT virgins for a beginning dose. If I can't evap, then fuck it. I probably won't lose much.

I would imagine floating on the bottom would be ideal if you were using a sep funnel. I assume you're not and will be pipetting it off?

Turkey baster all the way. :) What else would you expect from LT?

I too have heard this, but xylene is quite easily available. Not too volatile though, and I hear it can pull various other constituents.

That was another problem with Xylene. I'm going for pure white crystals if I can do it.

Just work outside, its quite a good solvent, with its boiling point, you could even distil 90% of your solvent back on a water bath, and freeze ppt or just evap the rest.

No dice. Too many nosy neighbors outside.

DCM is probably ideal, and can be acquired relatively easily. If you are going to have to pipette it, I agree that it being at the bottom would be a problem.

Yeah, the only problem I saw with DCM was it sitting on the bottom. I could probably worth with that, but it'd be a bitch and a half.

I would still say try to get your hands on naphtha, or even better, some tasty heptane, which is what I used, which worked wonderfully. Also, have a look for TriChloroEthylene, TCE, which I believe has been used in DMT A/Bs, and is very easily acquired in European lands at least.

Thanks for the tip on the TCE. How controlled is it in the US, if you have any idea? I'm not really too much of a chemist, this is gonna be my hardest extraction yet.

What I'd really like here is a convincing enough argument that you can still get naptha to convince my roommate. I can get naptha all day long, even have most of a gallon of Coleman fuel at home. He says it doesn't smell like naptha, so he doesn't want to use it.

That was another problem with Xylene. I'm going for pure white crystals if I can do it.

Purity is perfection :mad:

Give the received, dry, crystals a quick wash with ice cold 10% ammonia, they will sparkle!

How controlled is it in the US, if you have any idea?

I don't have a clue man, sorry. Just take the extraction slow, and do a quick mental check just before you pour the solution on or whatever.

What I'd really like here is a convincing enough argument that you can still get naptha to convince my roommate. I can get naptha all day long, even have most of a gallon of Coleman fuel at home. He says it doesn't smell like naptha, so he doesn't want to use it.

What's the worst that can happen? The naphtha doesn't extract the desired product. If its low grade naphtha, its not going to dissolve the DMT and then magically eat it.

Just make damn sure that it WILL evaporate leaving absolutely no residue whatsoever, you don't want to dissolve it into the naphtha, only to realise the naptha has C1958H3918 in there which won't evaporate for love nor money. Leaving you with greasy, disgusting crystals.

If it doesn't work, and the DMT isn't taken up, you just add a working solvent. DCM, xylene, ether etc etc...

Good luck.

Thanks a lot, man. I think this will be enough to convice him.

Dude, 365, I know the exact right source for a great clean source of TCE, OTC, but it is a specific brand name, and as per forum rules, I can't post it, so you will have to contact me or something, do I have you on msn? If so, just send a quick message saying TCE or something, because I can't keep my contacts straight, I have hundreds and no idea exactly who is who most of the time until someone starts talking to me.

Think: rubber cement remover (craft stores). Then look at the label. I'd tell you the brand but I have just discovered that that would be sourcing (though I've posted it before) :mad:.

Both TCE and chloroform will still sink below the water layer though...

Thanks, but I actually found some naptha.

It was a fairly good success so far. I ended up using too much naptha at first, so I came out with some nasty green shit. I had to recrystallize per stupid noob's instructions. I lost a LOT by spilling my first pull into the hot water bath (drunk roommate bumped into me.) I saved what I could, though, and got ~300 mg of really good white shit from the first pull and about 500 mg of some decently clean yellow crystals. I've had 3 people get full-on breakthroughs, and they were the only ones trying to.

It was a fairly good success so far.

Winrar, very nicely done man! How much MHRB did you start with, if you don't mind saying? On my first attempt I managed a grand total of about 300mg from 125g of MHRB, which is only about 50% of theory. :(

Winrar, very nicely done man! How much MHRB did you start with, if you don't mind saying? On my first attempt I managed a grand total of about 300mg from 125g of MHRB, which is only about 50% of theory. :(

Surely that depends on the composition of your particular sample of the root bark, which you would (presumably) have no way of determining... other than doing an extraction...

Surely that depends on the composition of your particular sample of the root bark, which you would (presumably) have no way of determining... other than doing an extraction...

Yeah, very true, but I believe MHRB is fairly standardised in the amount of DMT present, I was just going from 0.57%, but I'd only trust a sample to be within +/-0.1%

I started with a pound of MHRB. I know the yields are terrible, but I'm working on my technique.

Chloroforms dead easy to make from bleach and acetone. Best to do it outside or under a fume hood though.

Yeah, very true, but I believe MHRB is fairly standardised in the amount of DMT present, I was just going from 0.57%, but I'd only trust a sample to be within +/-0.1%

Actually, the inner bark has more DMT than the outer part; at least according to dmt-nexus.

Actually, the inner bark has more DMT than the outer part; at least according to dmt-nexus.

I've heard that a lot too, although I'm not entirely sure as to how that related to my point. No offence intended at all. Are you saying that you could receive a sample that was all of inner rather than outer root bark, thus changing the average % conc?

I believe the 0.57% was taken from various extractions using just 'root bark', indicating both inner and outer. Therefore, we can assume if there is a higher concentration in inner, buying root bark that is claimed to be only of the inner would contain a higher percentage of DMT.

I've heard that a lot too, although I'm not entirely sure as to how that related to my point. No offence intended at all. Are you saying that you could receive a sample that was all of inner rather than outer root bark, thus changing the average % conc?

I believe the 0.57% was taken from various extractions using just 'root bark', indicating both inner and outer. Therefore, we can assume if there is a higher concentration in inner, buying root bark that is claimed to be only of the inner would contain a higher percentage of DMT.

I think he was suggesting that your 50% yields could have actually been closer to 100% because you might have used the outer bark for you extraction and alkaloid content of the inner bark for your calculations.

Where do you all get your bark, if you don't mind me asking? The only time I tried ayahuasca (never tried extracting) I got the bark from IAS.

I've heard that a lot too, although I'm not entirely sure as to how that related to my point. No offence intended at all. Are you saying that you could receive a sample that was all of inner rather than outer root bark, thus changing the average % conc?

I believe the 0.57% was taken from various extractions using just 'root bark', indicating both inner and outer. Therefore, we can assume if there is a higher concentration in inner, buying root bark that is claimed to be only of the inner would contain a higher percentage of DMT.

Well you said MHRB was standardized. The sample you bought was likely standardized, but the bark itself is not; there are more alkaloids in the inner bark.

Where do you all get your bark, if you don't mind me asking?

http://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=896
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http://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=896
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I was more curious if anyone picks their own MHRB or buys from someone IRL. Sources for legal stuff aren't too hard to find. ;) That link seems like a good source for labware though, thanks.

I was more curious if anyone picks their own MHRB or buys from someone IRL. Sources for legal stuff aren't too hard to find. ;) That link seems like a good source for labware though, thanks.

"Mimosa Hostilis can be found growing from Brazil to the state of Oaxaca in southern Mexico."

http://www.ganja.co.uk/cannabis-seeds/ethnobotanic-seeds/index.html

:( I would if I could. The best US-based substitute is pharsalis grass, I think the species was illinoiensis or something, but it had appreciable amounts of DMT and grew largely in the central plains. It made up for it in quantity though; that stuff grows everywhere.

[QUOTE=nshanin;10147486The best US-based substitute is pharsalis grass, [/QUOTE]

Apparantly it can be found in the US with a bit of searching but let me tell you: Its shit! There are so much extra alkaloids and what not that your end product is hard to clean. MHRB is your best bet, with heptane and freezing the DMT out, nothing better then that.

About all the iner or outer bark thing, my cat has usually had inner bark and i ahev used outer bark and i noticed a small lost in yeild, but then again i am a clean freak :(

oh and save chloroform for something better, not woth it for this. TCE is pretty good and is what my cat uses occasionaly and its not too bad, but smells up all my damn lab area! :(