I heard lots of good things about 4-Methylaminorex aka euphoria. This synthesis I found on erowid seems to be relatively OTC too.

http://de1.erowid.org/chemicals/4_methylaminorex/4_methylaminorex_faq.html

* Phenylpropanolamine HCl
* Methanol
* Cyanogen Bromide
* Sodium Acetate
* Sodium Carbonate
* Water
* Benzene (or similar)
* Ether

all that is OTC maybe with the exception of Cyanogen Bromide. I don't know what the hell that is.

Anyone know why this synth isn't talked about more often? Is this U4EA stuff a shitty drug or is this synth harder than it looks?

If not for cyanogen bromide, people would be cooking this shit up all over the world for dirt fucking cheap, and it would be the best thing ever because without it, it would be insanely easy. But, this is the real world, and cyanogen bromide will explode on standing, produces toxic fumes while making it, and is an overall unstable widowmaker.


Eluseis has some stuff on 4-MAR synth, actually a total synth on it, including how to make and handle cyanogen bromide.


I personally wouldn't have the balls to fuck with it after reading about how crazy it is, and that says a lot, because I started chemistry with explosives, and have made some pretty unstable shit in my day, and this makes even me uncomfortable.

It might be more popular if phenylpropanolamine were readily OTC. I don't know about other countries, but in the US phenylpropanolamine is harder to come by than pseudoephedrine & ephedrine (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone).

Check the rhodium archives on phenylpropanolamine synthesis.

Ah theres always some big complication involved in every synth isn't there. First time I've heard of this cyanogen bromide stuff but I don't like the sounds of it. Especially hearing that from someone that knows about explosives.

Quote from wikipedia
Cyanogen bromide is volatile, and readily absorbed through the skin or gastrointestinal tract. Therefore, toxic exposure may occur by inhalation, physical contact, or ingestion. It is acutely toxic, causing a variety of nonspecific symptoms. Exposure to even small amounts may cause convulsions or death.
sounds like bad shit alright.

Yea I know PPA isn't OTC anymore but I hear the hardest precursor for PPA is alanine. Alanine can't be that hard to find.

Apperently PPA is still available to vets in the States.

So is ketamine. Doesn't make it any easier for the average man to get though.

But the average Totsean should know how to do the following:

Night Ops
Lock picking/brick through a window (or at least look up text files on the vet office computer mid-break-in)
Molotoving the evidence
Murder/Suicide if there are any witness
???
Profit

True steve-o. Personally I train monkeys to sniff out ketamine then I bring my monkey to the vet for a checkup and leave him there overnight and once the sun goes down the monkey gets to work.

Heres what wikipedia says about the synthesis of regular aminorex

The requirement for highly toxic precursors such as cyanogen bromide making the synthesis of aminorex and its derivatives potentially very dangerous for inexperienced clandestine chemists, has now been superseded with a newer route using cyanate salts which is easier, safer and cleaner. The route has been reported by the DEA in its monthly newsletter Microgram.

a safer alternative to using that unholy cyanogen bromide crap. I don't know if this applies to 4-methylaminorex too.

I recall very vividly somebody who had come up with an alternate synthesis for something that avoided the sue of cyanogen bromide, I'll go try and dig it up... could easily have been ug, we'll see I guess.

I recall very vividly somebody who had come up with an alternate synthesis for something that avoided the sue of cyanogen bromide, I'll go try and dig it up... could easily have been ug, we'll see I guess.

Yep that is right! I sent you that a while back,but i can't seem to find my copy of it anymore :( Its a thread from the hive by Cyrax i believe or someone else that makes 4-Methylaminorex without using the nast cyanogen bromide!

btw Phenylpropanolamine HCl is OTC in some stores in the USA. In Europe it has quite a bit of crap in it but it can be bought with little suspicion :)

I while try to dig it up, give me a few days!

SoH is right, PPA can be had OTC as a pet item in some places, and I know for a fact it can be had online from pet supply stores without any prescription, or documentation needed at all, and it can be bought in bulk as well.


And as far as getting ephedrine in the US, pills may be dead, but ephedrine sure is NOT.

Ephedra bushes grow all over states like Texas and New Mexico. Anywhere dry it'll grow so that probably goes for Arizona, Utah, Nevada and all those other desert shitholes too.

I read that its been discovered that PPA can be reacted with potassium cyanate instead of cyanogen bromide in the synthesis of 4-mar. I assume potassium cyanate is less problematic than cyanogen bromide because people seem to prefer it.

yeah its about time fishtea brought up Potassium Cyanate, no one here is going to get Cyanogen bromide, but potassium cyanate is fairly easy to come by.

Also if anyone has questions on extracting PPA from those pet meds, swim isnt sure how to tell this since its a fairly secret method. But he doesnt mind telling folks how to get the PPA out, he just cant post it in public.

How complicated can extracting some PPA be? Swim doesn't know what kinda inactives would be in them but hes guessing a waterless A/B would probably do the trick.

yeah its about time fishtea brought up Potassium Cyanate, no one here is going to get Cyanogen bromide, but potassium cyanate is fairly easy to come by.

Also if anyone has questions on extracting PPA from those pet meds, swim isnt sure how to tell this since its a fairly secret method. But he doesnt mind telling folks how to get the PPA out, he just cant post it in public.


Oh stop acting so cloak and dagger. It's as simple as reading the inactives in the pills, studying the physical properties of each, and formulating your own extraction. That's what "real folks" do things these days btw, just so you know. Dumbass recipe cake baking motherfucker.


Your access to some poorly written text file from 1987 about getting PPA from pet meds doesn't make you special. Have you ever taken into consideration the existence of numerous brands, and generics, and thus even more pill formulations? Oh, wait, that's right, you didn't, because all you do is talk out of your fucking ass.

Not to popularize this tactic, but it's not that hard to tell your vet that your dog has urinary incontinence. They're not going to consult your dog on the matter....

hell vets are the shit, i get vicodin for my dog from the vet, except its pure hydrocodone, no APAP in the pills. how cool is that?

Not to mention i got 5 free samples of ketamine from a vet once cuz my sister was his assitant.

hell vets are the shit, i get vicodin for my dog from the vet, except its pure hydrocodone, no APAP in the pills. how cool is that?

Not to mention i got 5 free samples of ketamine from a vet once cuz my sister was his assitant.


Are you a multi of hoppinl0wrider?

Oh stop acting so cloak and dagger. It's as simple as reading the inactives in the pills, studying the physical properties of each, and formulating your own extraction. That's what "real folks" do things these days btw, just so you know. Dumbass recipe cake baking motherfucker.


Your access to some poorly written text file from 1987 about getting PPA from pet meds doesn't make you special. Have you ever taken into consideration the existence of numerous brands, and generics, and thus even more pill formulations? Oh, wait, that's right, you didn't, because all you do is talk out of your fucking ass.




DOES ANYBODY know what the fuck this guy is talking about? i certainly dont, just rambling about NOTHING.

"its as simple as reading the inactives on teh pill bottles"

WHATEVER U SAY EXPERT, tell that to anyone thats extracted sudafed. See if thats the truth.

Also there is an extraction for the ppa pills that has been spread around since 2001 at the hive! but im sure u already knew that, oh wait nvm u werent at the hive! almost forgot.

if anyone needs to know anything about stupid nood, they can just look at his screen name.


and what the fuck i didnt reference ANY file from 1987. It is a well known fact that MOST HOMEBREWERS of 4-mar use potassium cyanate, rather than cyanogen bromide.

However the reason this isnt quite as popular, is because it only creates 1 of the 4 isomers of 4-methylaminorex.

Good luck fishtea, please i beg u tho, whatever u do DO NOT listen to stupid noob. Anyone else on this site is credible, im sure he will reply to this with no facts, no credible source of anything just bullshit, like he spews daily.

I thought you were quitting and starting your own little club? What ever happened to phreex? You and all your little bug spray dope cooking motherfuckers. Oh, that's right, there were only three of you.

I was gonna post my findings on this but i left them home and this thread has turned into a shit storm :(

So i wanted to ask...where is PhreeX? I saved a lot of his post and stuff, great guy...hope he is all good :(

DOES ANYBODY know what the fuck this guy is talking about? i certainly dont, just rambling about NOTHING.



if anyone needs to know anything about stupid nood, they can just look at his screen name.


Good luck fishtea, please i beg u tho, whatever u do DO NOT listen to stupid noob. Anyone else on this site is credible, im sure he will reply to this with no facts, no credible source of anything just bullshit, like he spews daily.



I think you two are the same person, just stirring the shit up cos the forum has been a touch dull of late...

go on...you can tell me ! I'm right innit ?!

I was gonna post my findings on this but i left them home and this thread has turned into a shit storm :(

So i wanted to ask...where is PhreeX? I saved a lot of his post and stuff, great guy...hope he is all good :(

Cool can you post what you found please. I read through a few threads on WD and DF but haven't looked too deep into it although it is an interesting compound 4-mar. I was hoping JoePedo would have something to say about this.

From what I did learn though Cyanogen Bromide is the old school method. In modern days home chemists use Potassium cyanate. Don't know if its easier to obtain but its less hazardous from what I hear.

The only precursors needed to synth PPA are benzaldehyde and alanine. No idea which of the 4 optical isomers the product will be though.

Cool can you post what you found please. I read through a few threads on WD and DF but haven't looked too deep into it although it is an interesting compound 4-mar. I was hoping JoePedo would have something to say about this.

From what I did learn though Cyanogen Bromide is the old school method. In modern days home chemists use Potassium cyanate. Don't know if its easier to obtain but its less hazardous from what I hear.

The only precursors needed to synth PPA are benzaldehyde and alanine. No idea which of the 4 optical isomers the product will be though.

I will, i am home now and have access to my files, but work is driving me nuts. Will post all mah info by tonight:) Look on SM there is a lot about the benzaldehyde and alanine thing, if i remember rendered the correct one, but do not take my word for it. I will check it out later tho'.