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slickt0mmy
2008-06-26, 23:29
What's going to happen? I've heard some people claim the world will end and some people claim that a "new age" will be beginning...
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have no idea. I really don't think the world is going to end but I can't say for sure what will happen.
One thing is for sure though: Those Mayans were CRAZY smart! How'd they figure out this whole galactic alignment thing!?
What's going to happen? I've heard some people claim the world will end and some people claim that a "new age" will be beginning...
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have no idea. I really don't think the world is going to end but I can't say for sure what will happen.
One thing is for sure though: Those Mayans were CRAZY smart! How'd they figure out this whole galactic alignment thing!?
Have fun.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6357791500982596512&q=mayan+calander+ian+lungold&ei=pjZkSKazMYT-qgLR74kz
slickt0mmy
2008-06-27, 00:49
can I get a "Too boring/Didn't watch" summary of what that guy was talking about?
vazilizaitsev89
2008-06-27, 01:13
don't worry, nothing will happen.
kurdt318
2008-06-27, 01:31
I'm not so convinced that December 21 first will be THE day everything changes. Don't get me wrong, it'll be one helluva day and the begining of the "New Age" but, I think the "adventure" will be more in the journey to get there and what will manifest afterwards.
Slave of the Beast
2008-06-27, 18:53
I swear, if I'm still a mod here, I'm going to create a sticky countdown thread starting on the morning of 1st Jan 2012. Fast forward 12 months and nothing will happen, but there'll still be the fringe "Can't you see, the changes are happening everywhere!!" contingent.
Should be mildly amusing.
vazilizaitsev89
2008-06-27, 19:38
I swear, if I'm still a mod here, I'm going to create a sticky countdown thread starting on the morning of 1st Jan 2012. Fast forward 12 months and nothing will happen, but there'll still be the fringe "Can't you see, the changes are happening everywhere!!" contingent.
Should be mildly amusing.
I second that
Vanhalla
2008-06-28, 05:45
can I get a "Too boring/Didn't watch" summary of what that guy was talking about?
I found it very amusing at first and I kept on watching; and he kept on talking.
I watched the entire talk, fascinating.
http://www.mayanmajix.com/ian_art.html
http://www.mayanmajix.com/lab_F1.html
Incredible, I feel everyone should see this.
Thanks ate
kurdt318
2008-06-28, 22:46
Have fun.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6357791500982596512&q=mayan+calander+ian+lungold&ei=pjZkSKazMYT-qgLR74kz
I'm about half way through the lecture, I'd recommend it.
Eagle Bay
2008-06-29, 23:50
The world might end, or it might not, either way is fine with me. I'll be having a barbecue, and a good number of cold beers. Probably spend most of the afternoon outside in the hammock. It will be a friday in the middle of summer after all. :p
wyrmwraith
2008-06-30, 07:25
Can't be bothered finding links. I've heard the planetary alignment etc is supposed to coincide with some "astrological age" supposedly beckoning the age of global consciousness. Don't know about specifics but I tend to go with the misinterpretation thing. I think it's significant in some sense, just don't know what that is.
First link I found : http://astro.temple.edu/~dialogue/lsb_an.htm
Haven't read it but sounds a similar note to that I have read before.
Also, granted it says fuck all about dates etc :)
Spam Man Sam
2008-06-30, 17:06
I'm going to get DRUNK that night.
ArmsMerchant
2008-06-30, 20:08
I swear, if I'm still a mod here, I'm going to create a sticky countdown thread starting on the morning of 1st Jan 2012. Fast forward 12 months and nothing will happen, but there'll still be the fringe "Can't you see, the changes are happening everywhere!!" contingent.
Should be mildly amusing.
Actually, changes are happening everywhere NOW. Weather, for one thing. Never before in recorded history have we had such a spate of floods, fires, odd hot spells, odd cold spells and so forth.
In politics, we have a black guy running for president. In Zimbabwe the guy in charge is such a despot even George W noticed--although the Shrub has no right to criticize any countrys' elections, since the ones he won were rigged.
Hear about the honeybees? They are dying off, no one knows why. This keeps up, it will have a catastrophic effect on the world food supply.
Oh, and there is a good chance all the ice at the North Pole will melt this summer. That's kind of a biggie.
Vanhalla
2008-06-30, 23:44
And this isn't just limited to Earth, noticeable changes are/have-been occurring in our section of Space, which just-so-happens to be moving closer and closer to source in every moment. People have hypothesized that this is because of the Sun, but what is the Sun really? It's a point where Universal Energy escapes the vacuum and bathes our frequency of experience with Light. If that is what the center of our solar system is, then what could the center of our Galaxy be really?
Slave of the Beast
2008-07-01, 09:23
Actually, changes are happening everywhere NOW. Weather, for one thing. Never before in recorded history have we had such a spate of floods, fires, odd hot spells, odd cold spells and so forth.
Oh, and there is a good chance all the ice at the North Pole will melt this summer. That's kind of a biggie.
Is it your belief that climate change is ultimately being driven by cosmic and not human forces? Or that cosmic forces are driving the human forces that are driving climate change?
Hear about the honeybees? They are dying off, no one knows why. This keeps up, it will have a catastrophic effect on the world food supply.
Yes, I've heard of the so-far-inexplicable "colony collapse disorder" (CCD); it's becoming a problem in Europe too. But seeing as nobody knows the reason for CCD it can in effect be attributed to anything, and is therefore almost impossible to be used as an indicator for anything.
Though you no doubt guessed that would be my response!
In politics, we have a black guy running for president. In Zimbabwe the guy in charge is such a despot even George W noticed--although the Shrub has no right to criticize any countrys' elections, since the ones he won were rigged.
Honeybees, black politicians, ice free seas and a sentient shrub... well maybe there is a higher connection (yes I remember, "At the highest level of reality..."), or maybe just the beginnings of a clever stand-up routine, but I'm afraid I can't see it.
Guess I'll just have to wait 3 1/2 years.
And this isn't just limited to Earth, noticeable changes are/have-been occurring in our section of Space, which just-so-happens to be moving closer and closer to source in every moment. People have hypothesized that this is because of the Sun, but what is the Sun really? It's a point where Universal Energy escapes the vacuum and bathes our frequency of experience with Light. If that is what the center of our solar system is, then what could the center of our Galaxy be really?
I keep on hearing that the planets are getting hotter/there are now some really great beaches on Mars/better take your suntan lotion with you to the asteroid belt/Pluto is the only place left now with good ski resorts/etc... but I've yet to see a report from NASA, Science, Nature or anywhere else that may be considered an authoritative source on astronomy confirming this local-space-is-warming statement.
Metaflux
2008-07-01, 10:18
Have fun.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6357791500982596512&q=mayan+calander+ian+lungold&ei=pjZkSKazMYT-qgLR74kz
This guy is so full of shit. There is no possible way to trace such epochs TO THE ACTUAL DAY IN ANCIENT HISTORY. If this guy actually read real books he would know that the only thing we have as physical evidence for our ancient past is artifacts found by archeologists and depictions. And these treasures can only be carbon dated to general numbers not fuckin specific days! Even carbon dating can be inaccurate and an observation and a simple educated guess based on other information is at best.
This guy is really out to sell himself! It's like he new all the answers to humanities problems and questions as he was talking.
EDIT: IMO He's taking very general scientific discoveries and embellishing them to a higher degree. If only life/universe could be as simple as a pyramid drawn on a large notepad.
cocacola14
2008-07-02, 20:05
There's probably going to be alot of death and bad stuff. The mayans may have learned their knowledge of astrology mathmatics, etc from an alien visitor so it might be real.
It'll be nine days after my birthday. Which means those pesky Mayans have either gotten me a LATE birthday present, or someone is going to PAY with their LIVES! Specifically THEM. :D
mythbuster13
2008-07-03, 00:57
It will be a day that will show the stupidity of people. Wether they believe it will be a "new era" for humanity, or the world will end, the fact that they will think of it as a special day will show how stupid people can be.
Sure, mayans had all their advanced science, but they believed in stupid gods, and got pwned asap. Not that that has anything to do.
If Einstein had said that the world was going to end in x date, would you have believed him? NO!
Also: how the fuck can a world end?
ViperX202
2008-07-03, 02:51
don't worry, nothing will happen.
thanks thats reinsuring lol
Davidius_Green
2008-07-03, 07:42
Have fun.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6357791500982596512&q=mayan+calander+ian+lungold&ei=pjZkSKazMYT-qgLR74kz
I am in part 9 and I must say that these videos are amazing.
Makes some stuff much clearer.
Thank you ate.
-David
Visceral Ethereal Carpet
2008-07-03, 08:44
There's probably going to be alot of death and bad stuff.
yeah, since that stuff has been happening all throughout human history, certain instances or 'death and bad stuff' will almost certainly coincide with the year 2011...
The mayans may have learned their knowledge of astrology mathmatics, etc from an alien visitor so it might be real.
yes. yes that is a possibility. that would explain a lot, which means that it's probably true. :rolleyes:
WeaponsOMassIdiot
2008-07-03, 23:09
Sure, mayans had all their advanced science, but they believed in stupid gods, and got pwned asap. Not that that has anything to do.
Mayans: Believed in 'stupid' gods.
Us: Believe in stupid gods.
Mayans: Got "pwned".
Us: ...
Also: how the fuck can a world end?
http://discovermagazine.com/2000/oct/featworld
static_void
2008-07-04, 00:43
Have fun.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6357791500982596512&q=mayan+calander+ian+lungold&ei=pjZkSKazMYT-qgLR74kz
I have mixed feelings about this guy. As an above poster said, he's definitely selling something... ($20 for a fucking four-page pamphlet???) what worries me a bit more is the fact that he was a Scientologist -- Scientology, as we all know, is a scam that feeds off peoples insecurities (more so than other valid religions). Something about hearing revolutionary lectures from a Scientologist worries me.
That said, I am watching the videos, as this is one area I haven't really researched at all; I'm not well-informed on the subject.
As for what I think will happen on December 21, 2012... probably something similar to what happened on January 1, 2000 ;).
Vanhalla
2008-07-04, 04:21
knowledge of astrology mathmatics, etc from an alien visitor
You put aliens in the middle of this stuff and you've got all the answers.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fR744FVNY68
Cosmic puberty always induces things like this.
Metaflux
2008-07-05, 08:05
I have mixed feelings about this guy. As an above poster said, he's definitely selling something... ($20 for a fucking four-page pamphlet???) what worries me a bit more is the fact that he was a Scientologist -- Scientology, as we all know, is a scam that feeds off peoples insecurities (more so than other valid religions). Something about hearing revolutionary lectures from a Scientologist worries me.
That said, I am watching the videos, as this is one area I haven't really researched at all; I'm not well-informed on the subject.
As for what I think will happen on December 21, 2012... probably something similar to what happened on January 1, 2000 ;).
OMG That guy was a scientologist? I didn't even know that when I watched this video, I should of known something was a bit strange.
Asphyxiophilia
2008-07-05, 15:57
The world might end, or it might not, either way is fine with me. I'll be having a barbecue, and a good number of cold beers. Probably spend most of the afternoon outside in the hammock. It will be a friday in the middle of summer after all. :p
Maybe for you, but for us Americans, it'll be the beginning of Christmas fucking break [for those in school]. That sucks, because it'll be the middle of winter and we won't even have had any break time by the time apocalypse rolls around.
Though, I'm with you on this. Whether we die or not, I don't care. I'z cool.
EDIT: You know, Nostradamus predicted December 21 too. And when he predicted Hitler, he was only off by like, one letter.
zomgwtfbbqpl0x?
Infamous Bomb Shell
2008-07-05, 16:05
December 21, 2012: You got MayanRoll'd!
wolfy_9005
2008-07-05, 16:09
Lets have the biggest totse meet up in the world, so if we do in fact die/etc we will be in the guiness book of records. yay for totse.
dec 21, 2012 is when china launches a massive military strike against russian oil fields to seize them due to an extremely limited trade of them. america will go to help russia and china will end up gettin vaporized. the"new age" will be 2 billion people fewer then now.
/random gibberish/paranoid thingy ma doobie
Vanhalla
2008-07-06, 03:57
I keep on hearing that the planets... but I've yet to see a report from NASA, Science, Nature or anywhere else that may be considered an authoritative source on astronomy confirming this local-space-is-warming statement.
http://stardate.org/images/gallery/sun5.jpg
THE SUN – Light Of The Father
Life giving energy from the eternal resources of Divinity.
NASA STUDY FINDS INCREASING SOLAR TREND THAT CAN CHANGE CLIMATE
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/0313irradiance.html
“A flare released by the Sun on Tuesday could be the most powerful ever witnessed, a monster X-ray eruption twice as strong as anything detected since satellites were capable of spotting them starting in the mid-1970s”
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/xtreme_flare_031105.html
Some experts are saying that the Sun is more active than it has been in living memory.
Dr Paal Brekke, deputy project scientist for the Solar Heliospheric Observatory (Soho) Sun-monitoring satellite, told BBC News Online: "It is quite amazing that the flaring regions continue releasing such strong flares.
"I think the last week will go into the history books as one of the most dramatic solar activity periods we have seen in modern times.
"As far as I know there has been nothing like this before."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3238961.stm
“Spots on the sun were once seen as rare and exotic, but are now a commonplace, solar event.”
http://sunearthday.nasa.gov/2007/locations/ttt_atob.php
“Sunspots would not exist were it not for solar magnetism.”
“Increased solar activity causing disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field may cause whales to run aground in the North Sea, say researchers.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4538959.stm
The dark patches on the surface of the Sun that we call sunspots are a symptom of fierce magnetic activity inside. Ilya Usoskin, a geophysicist who worked with colleagues from the University of Oulu in Finland and the Max Planck Institute for Aeronomy in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany, has found that there have been more sunspots since the 1940s than for the past 1150 years.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4321
The sun contains 99.86 percent of the mass of the solar system
MERCURY – Light Of The Messenger
The Cross of Matter, the circle of spirit, and the semicircle of the Moon.
Considering the cyclic frequency of Mercury, active intelligence would be an apt description. Taking 88 days to orbit our central star traveling at 108,000 miles per hour running around our point of Divine Source never more than 28 degrees away from Sol. Our planetary friend is only visible just after sunset and just before sunrise. You can see him, working quietly in the background, just before the promise of a new day shines upon us, veiling Mercury as he humbly and precisely goes about activities, silently in the background. Let’s take a look into this mysterious planet.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mysteries_mercury_021231.html
“Mariner 10 revealed several intriguing features of Mercury, and not all are superficial. Beneath its surface, Mercury is hiding a core that seems to be denser than Earth's, unexpected given the planet's size (about the same as the Moon). Also unexpectedly, Mercury has a relatively strong magnetic field, but possibly not strong enough to fully repel the charged particles of the solar wind, which may be continually bombarding the surface and continually changing its chemistry.”
……….
In 1991, ground-based radar observations detected something shiny near the poles. Scientists suspect the highly reflective material to be ice.
To find ice on Mercury would not only be interesting because the planet is so hot and seemingly barren, but because of where the ice may have come from.
Mercury does not make ice. Its axis of rotation does not precess like Earth's, so its poles have been pointing in the same direction ever since the planet was formed. Therefore, scientists figure that ice might have been deposited on Mercury by comets and other remnants of the early solar system and might have survived for a long time out of direct sunlight in the shadowy corners of deep craters.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080703-mercury-messenger.html
July 3 2008
The angle of the sun's light on Mercury's features this time around yielded more detail and evidence pointing to volcanic activity. False-color images of the plains and presumed volcanic features showed that they had an orange-ish tint and were "distinctly different from [their] surroundings," Head said.
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They found a ‘volcano … about 60 miles (95 km) in diameter, bigger than the state of Delaware. "This is a big sucker," Head said.’
MESSENGER also confirmed that the surface of Mercury is very low in iron, though the planet's high density implies that its core is very iron-rich. Head says this implies that Mercury formed slightly differently than the rest of the inner planets; the processes that formed the planet would have been the same, "it's just that the outcomes were so different," he told SPACE.com.
‘Above the surface’
MESSENGER also used its flyby to investigate Mercury's magnetic field and magnetosphere, the region around a planet where the magnetic field influences other phenomena. Mercury is the only other planet in the inner solar system besides Earth that has a magnetic field.
During it's flyby, MESSENGER took measurements of the magnetic field, and the results suggest that like Earth's field, Mercury's is largely dipolar (or like having a giant bar magnet stuck inside the planet).
But Mercury's magnetic field is much weaker than the one that surrounds our planet.
"Mercury's field is a smaller version of the Earth's," Solomon said.
Because the field is weak and Mercury is so close to the sun, the solar wind pushes the planet's magnetosphere very close to its surface on the side facing the sun, while on the side opposite the sun, the magnetosphere is very elongated.
In fact, "the solar wind gets very close to Mercury's surface some of the time," occasionally even hitting the surface, Solomon told SPACE.com.
When the solar wind hits Mercury's surface its sputters particles off into the magnetosphere. MESSENGER detected these ionized atoms as it sailed through the magnetosphere; it found silicon, sodium, sulfur and even water ions surrounding the planet.
The impact of the solar wind also alters the chemistry of Mercury's surface, Solomon said, in a process called "space weathering." The chemical changes to weathered parts of the surface could help scientists determine which features are older, and which are fresh, newly exposed material.
Of course, this is just MESSENGER's first flyby, mission scientists noted. The second and third passes (to occur on Oct. 6 of this year and in September 2009, respectively) and the spacecraft's year-long orbital phase will likely yield even more information and shed further light on the history of the inner-most planet.
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Strange discoveries abound on the planet closest to the point where the Divine flows into our frequency of experience. We shall learn more soon, ending in 2011 as we study the Mercurian escarpments.
Venus – Light Of Beauty
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070410_venus_express.html
"There are outstanding questions not yet answered about Venus that we have the chance to unveil, with a bit of luck," Piccioni told SPACE.com.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/venus_lights_010122.html
The glow surprised Slanger and other scientists, who did not expect Venus to have the right chemistry to produce the phenomenon. How it is generated is not fully understood, but Slanger says it results when pairs of oxygen atoms collide to form an oxygen molecule, the energy of which is transferred to a third atom, which releases light energy that is -- you guessed it -- green.
But there's a little problem with that theory. Venus has virtually no molecular oxygen in its carbon dioxide choked atmosphere.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2730
The team also hopes its findings may shed light on the apparent variability of the emission lines: the Russian Venera orbiters visited Venus in 1975 and found no sign of the green signal. "We do not understand how the variability can be this large", said Slanger, although the team speculates that the fluctuations could be connected with the solar cycle.
http://www.universetoday.com/html/articles/2001-0119a.html
Accompanying the Science paper by Slanger, et al, is a commentary by Dr. David Crisp from the NASA/Caltech Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
"I certainly trust those data," stated Dr. Crisp. "Something weird is going on in the upper atmosphere of Venus."
The first bottom line is that we just don't know what's going on.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2008/arch08/080220venustail.htm
The Ringu-Ringu people of central Queensland, “call the star Venus mimungoona or big eye” and assert that “no water exists in the star, but there are ropes which hang from its surface to the earth, by means of which the dwellers visit our planet from time to time, and assuage their thirst.”
Mars – Light Of The Aggressor
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1999/22/
Astronomers using the Hubble telescope have discovered an enormous cyclonic storm system raging in the northern polar regions of the planet Mars. Nearly four times the size of the state of Texas, the storm is composed of water ice clouds like storm systems on Earth, rather than dust typically found in Martian storms.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2001/31/text/
"What we have learned is that this is not a single, continuing storm, but rather a planet-wide series of events that were triggered in and around the Hellas Basin," said Mike Malin of Malin Space Science Systems, Inc., San Diego, lead investigator on the camera. "What began as a local event stimulated separate storms many thousands of kilometers away. We saw the effects propagate very rapidly across the equator — something quite unheard of in previous experience — and move with the Southern Hemisphere jet stream to the east."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_snow_011206-1.html
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1997/15/image/b
I'm not even half way done yet.
Next time I'll post some of the dramatic and unprecedented Earth changes, move into the outer planets, and we'll get into hyperdimensional wave physics.
Zombie epidemic. Most people find it ridiculous, but I've always been a strong believer in it.
Zombie epidemic. Most people find it ridiculous, but I've always been a strong believer in it.
I'd be more worried about the solar activity, personal, than the walking dead! :D
ShoeBong
2008-07-07, 19:39
If not 12-21-12, then something will get us soon enough. Humanity will either soon go ape shit and start galactic conquest, or we will blow everything up.
UrAPhackit
2008-07-07, 19:40
What's going to happen? I've heard some people claim the world will end and some people claim that a "new age" will be beginning...
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have no idea. I really don't think the world is going to end but I can't say for sure what will happen.
One thing is for sure though: Those Mayans were CRAZY smart! How'd they figure out this whole galactic alignment thing!?
The world, will in fact end. Just like it did on 6/6/06.
TheVizier
2008-07-07, 20:59
Remember Y2K, 666, and the MAD theory during the cold war? Yeah...
Best to not make hasty plans.
Remember Y2K, 666, and the MAD theory during the cold war? Yeah...
Best to not make hasty plans.
Indeed, but it's no better to make no plans at all. Especially when the people that DO believe this might very well decide to make SURE something happens.
But, though, I still don't see why the Mayans decided to not make it an impressive 12/12/2012 (which will be my 27th birthday, mind you)...
In other news, the REAL end of the world is December 31st, 2099 (that's when MY calender ends, oh no). :D
JustAnotherAsshole
2008-07-09, 04:00
This myth is based on the Ancient Mayan Calendar. Their calendar system had a spiritual element and was closely tied with religion.
People for some reason assume that the calendar ends and that's it. Take a look at every other calendar that has ever been. When it reaches the end of it's cycle, it just goes back to 0. When we have our end of the year, it doesn't go to nothing, it goes to the first day of the year and continues indefinitely.
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. The end of the world has been predicted hundreds and thousands of times in the past, why would THIS one come true?
DesyphIX
2008-07-09, 04:34
It's just the end of the calendar because they couldn't be fucked predicting another few thousand years.
JustAnotherAsshole
2008-07-09, 04:40
It's just the end of the calendar because they couldn't be fucked predicting another few thousand years.
Nah, It's cyclic. Theirs is just a-lot longer. WHY people would actually believe that the end of this calendar meant the end of the world I'll never know.
unfrgvncure
2008-07-09, 11:22
Theres like 2 major sources (bible code and mayan calender) that point out in 2012 the world is supposed to end. Will it? NO! nothing will happen, because the world was supposed to end a thousand times already, like in 2000.
Once the date passes and nothing happens theyr gonna be like sorry we mis-read the documents, the world will end in another 50 years. All of this is just to keep you entertained so you can go around wondering about it eventually buying something that explains it.
Even if the world doesn't end. I'm sure its only going to get crazier from here.
The 2012 "End of the World/current Age" theory comes from more then just the Mayans.
Also, very, very informative post you have there Vanhalla. I would like to see more, and if anyone else has something to say about all that.
wolfy_9005
2008-07-12, 13:56
My idea was the best. And when large quantities of totseans get together, many things may happen.
Also: how the fuck can a world end?
If you're insinuating that once a world is a world it cannot cease to be a world you're wrong. But i doubt it could happen in the space of 4 years.
also
Theres like 2 major sources (bible code and mayan calender) that point out in 2012 the world is supposed to end. Will it? NO! nothing will happen, because the world was supposed to end a thousand times already, like in 2000.
Once the date passes and nothing happens theyr gonna be like sorry we mis-read the documents, the world will end in another 50 years. All of this is just to keep you entertained so you can go around wondering about it eventually buying something that explains it.
I second this.
In 2000 the said the world would end, then there was the excuse that 2000 wasn't the millenium and 2001 was actually the end/start of the millenium, then it didnt happen again and so much bullshit is hyped up because people will believe it. People are gonna predict the end of human civilisation until...well... the end of human civilisation.
Rykoshet
2008-07-12, 16:29
It'll be 10 days before New Years Eve?
I'll start getting drunk...?
Vanhalla
2008-07-12, 18:29
I don't understand where this whole "the world is going to end" bs came from, but the only people I ever see talking about it is the people who don't believe it will end.
So the conclusion I come to is that they don't understand what their talking about.
The Mayan calender is based off the spiritual year of 360 days. It is (in my opinion) this conscious energy that spirals upwards in a circle. This may be hard to imagine because it's not a physical spiral, nor is it moving in an actual direction. But this process is working under the surface, behind the cross of matter. It is the cause of these seemingly random trends, or philosophical and scientific revolutions that pop up every now and again.
Why is this?
Allow me to explain:
Imagine half a pyramid with nine levels. The first step begins 16.4 billion years ago, around the time of the so called "Big Bang". The seventh day of that step begins around 1.26 Billion years ago, this lines up with Eukaryotic cells which comprises all of the life kingdoms (except monera). So this means the base has now been constructed and all the other levels will be added onto the foundation. Every level above will be 20 times smaller than the level it is building off of.
So we get matter 14-16 billion years ago
Animals 850 MYA
Monkeys 40 MYA
Humans 2 MYA
Spoken language 100,000 YA
Written language 3100 BCE
Industrialism 1769 CE
Computer networks ??
??
Now, the newest of these Great Cycles began about 3115 BCE, lets take a look at the evolution of the Jewish/Christian religions tradition shall we? It transitions between LIGHT and DARK (DAY and NIGHT) approximately every 400 years (one baktun is four hundred years).
baktun 0 (3115 BCE): Sumer's Anu
baktun 2 (2326 BCE): Abraham's move to Cana (2300)
baktun 4 (1538 BCE): Moses (1480): In the East: Traditional Shang.
baktun 6 (749 BC): America: Zapotec Tzlkin (550): Isaiah (748) Pythagoras (550): In the East: Confucius (551) Zoroaster (550) Lao0Tsu (600) Buddha (552) Reincarnation in India.
The sixth baktun is so interesting because this signifies the fourth day, the peak of the pyramid with seven levels. We are half way done with the last cycle that has built upon the other great cycles which came before. We've got all this momentum behind us and now we just ride the wave to the end/beginning.
baktun 8 (40CE) America: Quetzalcoatl Teotihuacan: Jesus/Paul (33/37) Christianity, Talmudic Judaism: Buddhism in China (60)
baktun 10 (826 CE) Second Quetzalcoatl in ChichenItza: Expansion of Christianity to northern, eastern Europe Crusades, Papacy.
baktun 12 (1617): Expansion of Christianity (pilgrims 1620)
This most recent cycle illustrates how our awareness of the transcendental has evolved. A lot of people are like, "I don't believe in God because Christianity is stupid." Well buddy, Christianity isn't God, it is an institution that has evolved from mans attempt of understanding Creation. 2011 marks the 7th day and the end of the ninth great cycle. What is going to happen, quite frankly, I am not qualified to answer this question, but I do however like to think.
Institutionalized religions (this includes science) will not hold up against the tramendus force that has been increasing for all these years. This force helped them grow, helped them gain power, they feed off of this energy. But now they have too many buckets catching this downpoar of energy that keeps getting stronger and stronger, and all this presser pushing down on them will cause collapse, and a scientific and philosophic revolution will rise from the ashes. Society will be completely transformed and a new foundation will be Created. Will we still have our physical forms, I'm leaning towards sorta.
Farmer Tran
2008-07-13, 10:20
It's a good day to die.
Slave of the Beast
2008-07-13, 13:22
For the tl/dr crowd, the more interesting part is right at the very end of this double post.
And this isn't just limited to Earth, noticeable changes are/have-been occurring in our section of Space, which just-so-happens to be moving closer and closer to source in every moment. People have hypothesized that this is because of the Sun, but what is the Sun really? It's a point where Universal Energy escapes the vacuum and bathes our frequency of experience with Light. If that is what the center of our solar system is, then what could the center of our Galaxy be really?
I keep on hearing that the planets are getting hotter/there are now some really great beaches on Mars/better take your suntan lotion with you to the asteroid belt/Pluto is the only place left now with good ski resorts/etc... but I've yet to see a report from NASA, Science, Nature or anywhere else that may be considered an authoritative source on astronomy confirming this local-space-is-warming statement.
Vanhalla, unleashing a landslide of irrelevant and spurious links at me does not help you prove your case. I'm looking for a single statement, not long and winding descriptions of each planets climate, which more often than not only highlights our lack of understanding rather than proving your point.
Furthermore there's a big difference between science journals and science journalism.
NASA STUDY FINDS INCREASING SOLAR TREND THAT CAN CHANGE CLIMATE
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...rradiance.html
"A flare released by the Sun on Tuesday could be the most powerful ever witnessed, a monster X-ray eruption twice as strong as anything detected since satellites were capable of spotting them starting in the mid-1970s"
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...re_031105.html
Some experts are saying that the Sun is more active than it has been in living memory.
Dr Paal Brekke, deputy project scientist for the Solar Heliospheric Observatory (Soho) Sun-monitoring satellite, told BBC News Online: "It is quite amazing that the flaring regions continue releasing such strong flares.
"I think the last week will go into the history books as one of the most dramatic solar activity periods we have seen in modern times.
"As far as I know there has been nothing like this before."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3238961.stm
“Spots on the sun were once seen as rare and exotic, but are now a commonplace, solar event.”
http://sunearthday.nasa.gov/2007/locations/ttt_atob.php
“Sunspots would not exist were it not for solar magnetism.”
“Increased solar activity causing disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field may cause whales to run aground in the North Sea, say researchers.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4538959.stm
As much can as I can to see, or am prepared to read, none of these links attribute supposed solar-system wide planetary warming, to increased solar output/sunspot activity due in turn to an increase in the energy density of local space.
The dark patches on the surface of the Sun that we call sunspots are a symptom of fierce magnetic activity inside. Ilya Usoskin, a geophysicist who worked with colleagues from the University of Oulu in Finland and the Max Planck Institute for Aeronomy in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany, has found that there have been more sunspots since the 1940s than for the past 1150 years.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4321
“The link between the Sun's magnetic activity and the Earth's climate is, however, unclear.”
Do you even read your own links?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
Dr. Abdussamatov’s work is described and then discredited by this article.
The sun contains 99.86 percent of the mass of the solar system
So?
MERCURY – Light Of The Messenger
The Cross of Matter, the circle of spirit, and the semicircle of the Moon.
Considering the cyclic frequency of Mercury, active intelligence would be an apt description. Taking 88 days to orbit our central star traveling at 108,000 miles per hour running around our point of Divine Source never more than 28 degrees away from Sol. Our planetary friend is only visible just after sunset and just before sunrise. You can see him, working quietly in the background, just before the promise of a new day shines upon us, veiling Mercury as he humbly and precisely goes about activities, silently in the background. Let’s take a look into this mysterious planet.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ry_021231.html
“Mariner 10 revealed several intriguing features of Mercury, and not all are superficial. Beneath its surface, Mercury is hiding a core that seems to be denser than Earth's, unexpected given the planet's size (about the same as the Moon). Also unexpectedly, Mercury has a relatively strong magnetic field, but possibly not strong enough to fully repel the charged particles of the solar wind, which may be continually bombarding the surface and continually changing its chemistry.”
……….
In 1991, ground-based radar observations detected something shiny near the poles. Scientists suspect the highly reflective material to be ice.
To find ice on Mercury would not only be interesting because the planet is so hot and seemingly barren, but because of where the ice may have come from.
Mercury does not make ice. Its axis of rotation does not precess like Earth's, so its poles have been pointing in the same direction ever since the planet was formed. Therefore, scientists figure that ice might have been deposited on Mercury by comets and other remnants of the early solar system and might have survived for a long time out of direct sunlight in the shadowy corners of deep craters.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...messenger.html
July 3 2008
The angle of the sun's light on Mercury's features this time around yielded more detail and evidence pointing to volcanic activity. False-color images of the plains and presumed volcanic features showed that they had an orange-ish tint and were "distinctly different from [their] surroundings," Head said.
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They found a ‘volcano … about 60 miles (95 km) in diameter, bigger than the state of Delaware. "This is a big sucker," Head said.’
MESSENGER also confirmed that the surface of Mercury is very low in iron, though the planet's high density implies that its core is very iron-rich. Head says this implies that Mercury formed slightly differently than the rest of the inner planets; the processes that formed the planet would have been the same, "it's just that the outcomes were so different," he told SPACE.com.
‘Above the surface’
MESSENGER also used its flyby to investigate Mercury's magnetic field and magnetosphere, the region around a planet where the magnetic field influences other phenomena. Mercury is the only other planet in the inner solar system besides Earth that has a magnetic field.
During it's flyby, MESSENGER took measurements of the magnetic field, and the results suggest that like Earth's field, Mercury's is largely dipolar (or like having a giant bar magnet stuck inside the planet).
But Mercury's magnetic field is much weaker than the one that surrounds our planet.
"Mercury's field is a smaller version of the Earth's," Solomon said.
Because the field is weak and Mercury is so close to the sun, the solar wind pushes the planet's magnetosphere very close to its surface on the side facing the sun, while on the side opposite the sun, the magnetosphere is very elongated.
In fact, "the solar wind gets very close to Mercury's surface some of the time," occasionally even hitting the surface, Solomon told SPACE.com.
When the solar wind hits Mercury's surface its sputters particles off into the magnetosphere. MESSENGER detected these ionized atoms as it sailed through the magnetosphere; it found silicon, sodium, sulfur and even water ions surrounding the planet.
The impact of the solar wind also alters the chemistry of Mercury's surface, Solomon said, in a process called "space weathering." The chemical changes to weathered parts of the surface could help scientists determine which features are older, and which are fresh, newly exposed material.
Of course, this is just MESSENGER's first flyby, mission scientists noted. The second and third passes (to occur on Oct. 6 of this year and in September 2009, respectively) and the spacecraft's year-long orbital phase will likely yield even more information and shed further light on the history of the inner-most planet.
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Strange discoveries abound on the planet closest to the point where the Divine flows into our frequency of experience. We shall learn more soon, ending in 2011 as we study the Mercurian escarpments.
None of this is relevant to my question regarding the localized heating of space, nor to its supposed effect on planetary climate.
Slave of the Beast
2008-07-13, 13:23
*12,000 character post break*
Venus – Light Of Beauty
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...s_express.html
"There are outstanding questions not yet answered about Venus that we have the chance to unveil, with a bit of luck," Piccioni told SPACE.com.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ts_010122.html
The glow surprised Slanger and other scientists, who did not expect Venus to have the right chemistry to produce the phenomenon. How it is generated is not fully understood, but Slanger says it results when pairs of oxygen atoms collide to form an oxygen molecule, the energy of which is transferred to a third atom, which releases light energy that is -- you guessed it -- green.
But there's a little problem with that theory. Venus has virtually no molecular oxygen in its carbon dioxide choked atmosphere.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2730
The team also hopes its findings may shed light on the apparent variability of the emission lines: the Russian Venera orbiters visited Venus in 1975 and found no sign of the green signal. "We do not understand how the variability can be this large", said Slanger, although the team speculates that the fluctuations could be connected with the solar cycle.
http://www.universetoday.com/html/ar...001-0119a.html
Accompanying the Science paper by Slanger, et al, is a commentary by Dr. David Crisp from the NASA/Caltech Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
"I certainly trust those data," stated Dr. Crisp. "Something weird is going on in the upper atmosphere of Venus."
The first bottom line is that we just don't know what's going on.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/20...0venustail.htm
The Ringu-Ringu people of central Queensland, “call the star Venus mimungoona or big eye” and assert that “no water exists in the star, but there are ropes which hang from its surface to the earth, by means of which the dwellers visit our planet from time to time, and assuage their thirst.”
I keep on hearing that the planets are getting hotter/there are now some really great beaches on Mars/better take your suntan lotion with you to the asteroid belt/Pluto is the only place left now with good ski resorts/etc... but I've yet to see a report from NASA, Science, Nature or anywhere else that may be considered an authoritative source on astronomy confirming this local-space-is-warming statement.
How is this relevant to my question?
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...eases/1999/22/
Astronomers using the Hubble telescope have discovered an enormous cyclonic storm system raging in the northern polar regions of the planet Mars. Nearly four times the size of the state of Texas, the storm is composed of water ice clouds like storm systems on Earth, rather than dust typically found in Martian storms.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc.../2001/31/text/
"What we have learned is that this is not a single, continuing storm, but rather a planet-wide series of events that were triggered in and around the Hellas Basin," said Mike Malin of Malin Space Science Systems, Inc., San Diego, lead investigator on the camera. "What began as a local event stimulated separate storms many thousands of kilometers away. We saw the effects propagate very rapidly across the equator — something quite unheard of in previous experience — and move with the Southern Hemisphere jet stream to the east."
These don’t prove Mars is getting warmer due to moving into ‘higher energy space’, simply that we don’t have as good an understanding of Martian climatology as previously thought.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._011206-1.html
”Despite more than three decades of Red Planet exploration, scientists are still relatively clueless about the climate of Mars, said Paige, the UCLA researcher. Continuous or recurring observations have typically been confined to short time periods.”
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...997/15/image/b
Again, refer to my comment about our limited “understanding of Martian climatology”.
And as far as global warming on Earth goes:
Sunspots vs. CO₂ levels
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z106/yui987/Sunspot-number.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z106/yui987/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z106/yui987/Global_Carbon_Emission_by_Type_to_Y.png
Given that we can be reasonably sure of the mechanisms by which either would increase the GMST, it looks like we have a winner.
Imagine half a pyramid with nine levels. The first step begins 16.4 billion years ago, around the time of the so called "Big Bang". The seventh day of that step begins around 1.26 Billion years ago, this lines up with Eukaryotic cells which comprises all of the life kingdoms (except monera). So this means the base has now been constructed and all the other levels will be added onto the foundation. Every level above will be 20 times smaller than the level it is building off of.
So we get matter 14-16 billion years ago
Animals 850 MYA
Monkeys 40 MYA
Humans 2 MYA
Spoken language 100,000 YA
Written language 3100 BCE
Industrialism 1769 CE
Computer networks ??
??
Your maths is seriously flawed, as is the concept and validity of your timeline. For 850 MYA we get animals (defined as what exactly?), yet the Cambrian explosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion), which happened some 300 million+ years later, doesn't get a mention? And as for human spoken language, well that's anyone's guess.
And 17 billion/20= 850 MYA... so where does the figure 1.26 billion come from, or any of the other smaller numbers from it, if you're dividing by 20 each time?
But for the sake of argument let's assume each level occurs at 1/20th of the time interval of it's predecessor, then written language (100,000BC/20) should have come about in 3000 BC (which I'll admit is plausible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language#Stages)), Industrialism (5000BC/20) in 1758AD (which I take to mean the very early beginnings of the Industrial revolution (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Graph_rel_share_world_manuf_1750_1900_02.png)) and computer networks (250/20) in 1996 (?? indeed, I presume you're referring to widespread public use of the internet - "During the 1990s, it was estimated that the Internet grew by 100% per year, with a brief period of explosive growth in 1996 and 1997." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet#Creation)).
Next is 12.52/20 = .626 or roughly 7 ½ months ago.
So... what did I miss last Christmas?
But the real point is this: it doesn't matter where you start from, it could be -17 billion or -500 billion years, dividing by 20 or 400, you'll never reach past the present day no matter the scale of the timeline, method of divison, or at which point on the timeline you're currently on, because today = 0 and the future is represented by a positive number. Prove it to yourself by continually dividing -100 by 2, or any other positive number... you'll never reach zero; according to your numerology the future doesn't exist and never did.
Clearly that's wrong.
unfrgvncure
2008-07-13, 16:09
lol VANHALA is clearly obssesed about the topic. Hes one of those people who wear pyramids on their heads because it makes them whole.
Johnathon_Doerty
2008-07-13, 19:37
I'm hoping the world ends, we're a goddamn plague. I've read into this quite a bit, and the other predictions seemed pretty close to the mark, not very vague stuff happening. We'll just have to wait and see.
Vanhalla
2008-07-13, 20:41
First of all I’d like to get it out there that I am not trying to prove anything, or frighten anyone, or convince anywhatever that a consciousness shift is a comin. I just find it interesting and entertaining to think.
Vanhalla, unleashing a landslide of irrelevant and spurious links at me does not help you prove your case. I'm looking for a single statement, not long and winding descriptions of each planets climate, which more often than not only highlights our lack of understanding rather than proving your point.
Furthermore there's a big difference between science journals and science journalism.
To call science journalism “irrelevant” seems a bit extreme. I mean, it is these peoples job to collect information about wtf is going on in space, and explain it to the general public so they don’t have to go on a mission through piles of scientific data that could take weeks to truly understand. Not to say journalist don’t make mistakes, they are still human, as are the Scientists. However you could type in the names of the Scientists and take a look at the information they have uncovered, feel free to share what you learn.
As for a single statement saying, “From years of going over the data my colleagues and I have come to the conclusion that in fact the energy density of the all embracing aetherspace has been and will continue to increase.”
I’ve got nothing.
And yes, if we can learn anything from this information it would be that we really don’t know shit, we’re still youngins in the Cosmic scheme of things, and quite frankly I think humans are quite arrogant about the size of their knowledge. We should be more open to so called delusional theories because the majority of cosmology is just that, theories.
As much can as I can to see, or am prepared to read, none of these links attribute supposed solar-system wide planetary warming, to increased solar output/sunspot activity due in turn to an increase in the energy density of local space.
They sure don’t.
The fact is, we don’t know the underlying cause.
I don’t know about you, but whenever I try to go back as far as I can go to the underlying cause of anything, aetherspace is what I find. But if I look even further, I come to the poorly understood Godhead, no sense in trying to talk about that though.
But yes, no one knows why the Sun goes extreme from time to time.
Something to do with cycles (caused by ætherspace) I presume.
“The link between the Sun's magnetic activity and the Earth's climate is, however, unclear.”
Do you even read your own links?
Yeah, I read all of them.
Did you?
Dr. Abdussamatov’s work is described and then discredited by this article.
Not completely, the discrediters theories are controversial as well, the planetary wobbles may be part of the equation, but this doesn’t mean that the sun plays no roll in climate change. And again, we get back to lack of understanding.
Personally I think global warming on Earth is a natural process. But obviously things like the industrial revolution and other excessive endeavors are not helping.
So?
No thoughts? That’s fine.
None of this is relevant to my question regarding the localized heating of space, nor to its supposed effect on planetary climate.
You don’t know that.
Vanhalla
2008-07-15, 09:23
Your maths is seriously flawed, as is the concept and validity of your timeline.
It was explained poorly so it’s not surprising you don’t understand.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee158/Vanhalla/TimeCyclesLinkedtotheTun.jpg
This is the Great Cycle of the Mayans Tun based calendar illustrating the spiritual year (360 days), yes they knew the exact time of the physical year and had a calendar for that as well.
Notice that baktun says 20^2 = 394 rather than 400. Simplified for obvious reasons.
Keep in mind that the Great Cycle of the Mayans may not be entirely accurate and there are multiple interpretations of the exact dates, I’m using the October 2011 end date. Take all of this as approximations.
For 850 MYA we get animals (defined as what exactly?)http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/vol22/issue11/images/large/molbiolevolmsi210f03_lw.jpeg?ck=nck
http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/hist/geological_time.html
yet the Cambrian explosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion), which happened some 300 million+ years later, doesn't get a mention?
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee158/Vanhalla/SevenStoriedPyramidofCreation.jpg
63.1 (Seventh Day)
126.2 (Sixth night)
189.3 (Sixth day)
252.4
315.5
378.6
441.7 (fourth day)
504.8
567.9
(580MYA Cambrian explosion)
631
694.1
757.2 (first night)
820.3 (first day)
Of the Mammalian Cycle (http://www.mayanmajix.com/9steps_eng.jpg)
Interesting you would bring that up, it seems that this explosion took place near the end of the second night.
In the national cycle that would translate to approximately 2007.5 BCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century_BC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_century_BC
Seems to be setting the stage for the third day and night of which the fourth day then builds atop of. Once the fourth day is reached and completed, we’ve gained so much momentum that this wave cannot be stopped. (could it ever have been stopped?)
According to the Maya the days and nights represent different aspects of creation, different gods rule different cycles, or something to that effect.
1614
1220
826
432
38
-356
-750
-1144
-1538
-1932
-2326
-2720
-3114
631-568=63,000,000 (20^6 TUN)
2326-1932=394 (20^2 TUN)
2326+1614=3940
631 3940
580 X
631x=2285200
X=3621.5
-1614
2007.5 BCE
And as for human spoken language, well that's anyone's guess.
Indeed, but this guess is based on the cycles of Creation.
Instead of spoken language let’s look at something we can actually judge, like written language.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/334517.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writing
About 5122 years ago, that’s pretty interesting. (394 * 13) When proto writing becomes true writing, no one can say.
Beginning of the first day of the National cycle and the last portion of the Cultural cycle (which everything above grows off of), seems Creation was preparing itself for the higher frequency it was entering into.
And 17 billion/20= 850 MYA... so where does the figure 1.26 billion come from, or any of the other smaller numbers from it, if you're dividing by 20 each time?
1.26(Hablatun) * 13 = 16.38 (Bil)
I didn’t really explain the 12 (including 0) tuns (days and nights of Creation) last time.
1.26/20=0.063
63.1(Alautun) * 13 = 820.3
63.1/20 = 3.15 (Kinchiltun)
So 1.26 hablatun marks the 7th day of Creation during the first Great Cycle, around the time that Eukaryotic cells arose from (theory supported by data) prokaryotic cells.
“Almost all the plant and animal cells you can see around you are eukaryotic.”
http://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/eukaryot.html
Next is 12.52/20 = .626 or roughly 7 ½ months ago.
So... what did I miss last Christmas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2007
# December 2007 bombing of northern Iraq: Turkish forces claim to have killed hundreds of Kurdistan Workers Party rebels and struck more than 200 targets in northern Iraq in the past 10 days. (BBC News)
# A suicide bombing attack in Baiji, Iraq kills at least 34. (CNN)
# At least 15 people are killed and dozens more missing after the collapse of a suspension bridge in western Nepal. (BBC News)
# Nine people are dead following a collision between a train and a minibus in Tajikistan. (BBC News)
# In the San Francisco Zoo, a tiger escapes from its enclosure and attacks three visitors, killing one of the men and mauling two others. (lmao)
But the real point is this: it doesn't matter where you start from, it could be -17 billion or -500 billion years, dividing by 20 or 400, you'll never reach past the present day no matter the scale of the timeline, method of divison, or at which point on the timeline you're currently on, because today = 0 and the future is represented by a positive number. Prove it to yourself by continually dividing -100 by 2, or any other positive number... you'll never reach zero; according to your numerology the future doesn't exist and never did.
Clearly that's wrong.There will be a point where each spiritual day (13) will equal 20 physical (2011) and then there will be the final 13 days. And then. . .
I don’t understand it entirely, I’m still a n00b at all this, how the Mayan obtained this information, I don’t know, no one does. But we have a much larger base of information to look into using their formulas than the Maya ever had. How it works or why, we can only hypothesize, but the fact remains that a small amount of info remains from the Spanish atrocity 1 baktun, 4 katuns,16 tuns ago, and if we don’t research it, and try to build off of what they had, we may never understand the process of Creation.
If you're still a n00b at this, then you need to shut up and quit wasting everyone's time since you don't have expert knowledge on the subject.
And if the Mayans couldn't predict and avoid their own destruction from being warred and conquered, then god forbid predicting the end of the world.
... god forbid predicting the end of the world.
It's not going to be the "end of the world". It is the end of the age of pieces, if you must consider it an end.
Actually, changes are happening everywhere NOW. Weather, for one thing. Never before in recorded history have we had such a spate of floods, fires, odd hot spells, odd cold spells and so forth.
In politics, we have a black guy running for president. In Zimbabwe the guy in charge is such a despot even George W noticed--although the Shrub has no right to criticize any countrys' elections, since the ones he won were rigged.
Hear about the honeybees? They are dying off, no one knows why. This keeps up, it will have a catastrophic effect on the world food supply.
Oh, and there is a good chance all the ice at the North Pole will melt this summer. That's kind of a biggie.
yea but thats all our doing. granted no one knows anything about the bee thing, but I'd wager it has something to do with our ongoing ass raping of mother nature. the planets fighting back and were powerless to stop it.
btw I didnt read anything after this post so sorry if its been said.
EDIT: oh yea, and politics have always been fucked, we have more tame politics now than we ever had before.
yea but thats all our doing.
Are we responsible for the changes occurring throughout the solar system?
If you're still a n00b at this, then you need to shut up and quit wasting everyone's time since you don't have expert knowledge on the subject.
And if the Mayans couldn't predict and avoid their own destruction from being warred and conquered, then god forbid predicting the end of the world.
Weren't they just writing a calendar and not trying to predict the future?
Are we responsible for the changes occurring throughout the solar system?
the fact is we know jack shit about the solar system. it's warming up? wow, maybe it's morning in the milky way. the scale of time is far too great to record any meaningful patterns within the lifetime of one measly species' existence.
the fact is we know jack shit about the solar system.
Exactly. But it is obvious something is happening, and pollutions not responsible for it.
I'm not saying its "the end of the world" or whatever.
But all religion is somewhat based on astrotheology and ritual entheogen use. Perhaps before all the symbology and metaphors altered over thousands of years of transferring information along our lineage, people were keen to bigger cycles then the phases of the moon.
Vanhalla
2008-07-24, 07:26
the fact is we know jack shit about the solar system. it's warming up?
Not exactly a "warming", more along the lines of: strange energy excretions that we don't fully understand.
But all religion is somewhat based on astrotheology and ritual entheogen use. Perhaps before all the symbology and metaphors altered over thousands of years of transferring information along our lineage, people were keen to bigger cycles then the phases of the moon.
Right, the shaman priest would climb to the top of the pyramid and perform enthogenic ceremonies, they also had much astrotheology and the like. They probably tapped into the underlying field of awareness, maybe through a combination of the ætheric motion caused by the mushroom species through directed awareness by the shaman, and some sort of transdimensional energetic phenomena that was attracted to the resonance of the waves that were emitted. This energetic presence interacted with the psychedelic shaman, and it gave them a glimpse of the universe from the outside looking in rather than the normal inside to the out perspective.
And that is my expert opinion of how the calendric came to be.
So next time I trip on shrooms I can just look at the stars and predict when the world ends? Cool, I knew shrooms were the best drug ever
Metaflux
2008-07-26, 05:59
If you're still a n00b at this, then you need to shut up and quit wasting everyone's time since you don't have expert knowledge on the subject.
And if the Mayans couldn't predict and avoid their own destruction from being warred and conquered, then god forbid predicting the end of the world.
We are also talking about a civ. that practiced human sacrifice to appease their water God.
We are also talking about a civ. that practiced human sacrifice to appease their water God.
Sun god
Lowfatcheeze
2008-07-28, 19:17
errrm.. nothing will happen?
just like Y2K
A guy started talking to me today about what he called The Shift. 2012 was the date he said it would be in full effect.
By shift he referred to a mass shift in conciousness which would change our way of living. The guy beleived completely in reptilians controlling the world as well. So it was an interesting conversation :D
metal_beatrod
2008-08-20, 06:03
Wow this is one hell of a thread. But I'm seeing a lot of bs in the form of facts showing whats happening in space and how bees are dying. WAKE THE FUCK UP!:mad: How were the Mayans so smart? Because they created a calender that ended? If they hadn't been destroyed where would we be now? We would be listening to them like we listen to Bush. No one should really care about the temperature of mars and the sun or anything out there. Does it really affect you? Does the alignment of the planets get you off or something? December 21, 2012 will be the same as every other year. If you think that the world will end or a new beginning will take place you must be high. Not necessarily a bad thing but shoot. Doing all this research on how the world is ending and what the sun is doing is not going to help you out if something ridiculous were to happen. Stop wasting time researching crap and get laid, seriously. Really, no one should worry about this and if you are then you should kill yourself now because it's coming anyway, right. Besides, everyone knows when the real zombie apocalypse does show up on some day out of the blue, good old Satan will be there to rape the living corpses right in the butt:eek: and save us all.
Thats how i feel anyhow, don't worry and live.