http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2194359/A-quarter-of-adults-to-face-%27anti-paedophile%27-tests.html

A quarter of adults to face 'anti-paedophile' tests

Britain is requiring 1/4 of adults to be background checked. If they pass, they may interact with children under 16.

Those who are not checked cannot interact with children.

If you are a parent, you basically have to be background-checked to have a child.


If this doesn't lead to dysfunctional adult-child relationships, nothing will.

Also, getting back to the topic, Britain has gone to far. It is like the gov't has a copy of 1984 out, and they are making laws based upon it.

Discuss effect on society that this law will have.

Government isn't really to blame for pedophile insanity. The guilt for that rests mostly on the media and paranoid, coward parents who extrapolate the rare child molester into "OMG all my childs get raped every second I can't see them!"

Government isn't really to blame for pedophile insanity.

They sure help to exacerbate it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al.

Also, getting back to the topic, Britain has gone to far. It is like the gov't has a copy of 1984 out, and they are making laws based upon it.

LOL @ Fascist Britain.

See the bullshit anti-lolicon laws
http://www.ukanime.com/template2.php?page=main.php&p=532

hahahah fascists...

you elected them

LOL @ Fascist Britain.

See the bullshit anti-lolicon laws
http://www.ukanime.com/template2.php?page=main.php&p=532

I dont approve of fascism but i believe that this law has merit...

I dont approve of fascism but i believe that this law has merit...

how so? Not being able to legally download loli/shota/guro/vore hentai "has merit"? The anti-cp and 'violent' crowd can't even pull out "it contributes to the harm of children, evertime you fap to it a child gets raped in the ass again" crap you hear as rhetoric.


quoting the stuff linked to on my link

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/28/government_outlaws_pictures/

the more speculative reason is that it MAY influence potential abusers to act out their fantasies.these guys haven't masturbated to porn apparently.

and this piece-of-shit quote here. Something that deserves lol.

some Police Forces cited manga as material they would like outlawed. Manga is an essentially Japanese art form, which can cover some quite adult themes. “Tentacle porn” and abduction by aliens are common. Crucially some of the images include individuals whose age is indeterminate or seriously young. As Home Secretary, John Reid expressed his outrage that manga and similar material was not illegal.Fucking Faggots. So the UK wants to take away my doujins? Also lol @ the parts I underlined, the description. Reminds me of those articles on internet culture/history and other shit describing TOTSE and I fucking lol at it.

“This is not about criminalising art or pornographic cartoons more generally, but about targeting obscene, and often very realistic, images of child sexual abuse which have no place in our society.”HAHAHAHA. 'Our Society'. Nigga, this isn't 'OUR SOCIETY' this is the FUCKING INTERNET, the closest thing to Anarchy. Tor, #chan, TOTSE, rotteneggs, paradoxsector (when it gets back up), the freenet, darknet and other P2P networks and proxies are the defenders of free speech, and you faggots can't pull out some bullshit moralistic 'obsence' and 'no value in our society' crap.

There are two further concerns. At the consultation for the Extreme Porn law, one Police Force – Kent – argued also for the criminalisation of written material. there goes the 'Erotica' section of TOTSE-if it was hosted in the UK


And don't forget the original law that started this law-again linked from my original link:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/25/justice_bill_extreme_pron/

EDIT: I'll get to that later.

EDIT 2: Okay, I ranted lol

lol fascism

Things like this are a real slippery slope, in fact GB is already sliding fast down it. It always starts with something that the overwhelming majority of the people can agree on. In this case it's going after pedo's, to absolute bottom of the barrel.
Then it becomes criminal assessments, to see who is likely to commit crimes. Then it becomes political activist assessments, to see who the activists against all this are.

Hopefully by that point a revolution will break out in Britain.

Hopefully by that point a revolution will break out in Britain.

So they can overthrow their government with sticks and stones!

This is just going to lead to people who aren't pedos not being able to have kids.

the should use that test where they stick a pressure cuff on someone's penis, show them different pictures, and see if the pictures of kids get them hard

hahahah fascists...

you elected them

An elective dictatorship is a dictatorship nonetheless.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2194359/a-quarter-of-adults-to-face-%27anti-paedophile%27-tests.html

a quarter of adults to face 'anti-paedophile' tests

britain is requiring 1/4 of adults to be background checked. If they pass, they may interact with children under 16.

Those who are not checked cannot interact with children.

If you are a parent, you basically have to be background-checked to have a child.


If this doesn't lead to dysfunctional adult-child relationships, nothing will.

Also, getting back to the topic, britain has gone to far. It is like the gov't has a copy of 1984 out, and they are making laws based upon it.

Discuss effect on society that this law will have.
:cool:AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! :cool:

well, that sucks. I think we can all learn a lesson from this; even though every law is made to protect people, and they're all made with that thought in mind, some do it much better than others. This does seem like a great way to establish a police state, if I were you I'd try and get as many people against it as possible while it's still in its infancy and hasn't become the sole tool of the maintenance of an unfair balance of power.

so they can overthrow their government with sticks and stones!

nigga, i can still whoop yo ass with sticks and srtones come here boy ill show you how we do it in the dirty south boy time for an asswhupping now

Adult - child relationships are already fucked in this country. If I host any lessons at my muay thai place then I imagine I'll need one of these so I'll be sure to tell ya'll just how much bullshit(or not) they are.

It is like the gov't has a copy of 1984 out, and they are making laws based upon it.

hahahaha

that's great

What annoys me about this police state business is that it doesn't help at all, in fact it probably makes things worse.

All those bloody cameras and the fuckers don't even notice the thieves taking my bike apart. Cunts.

Adult - child relationships are already fucked in this country. If I host any lessons at my muay thai place then I imagine I'll need one of these so I'll be sure to tell ya'll just how much bullshit(or not) they are.

Hey there. I'm still playing ogame and have ~600,000 points. How's them apples! :D

Good to hear, I meant to check in on the forums but life has gone tits up recently so no time.

Good to hear, I meant to check in on the forums but life has gone tits up recently so no time.

yeah; TOTSE Alliance is still there.

Surprised you didn't try to flame me lol.

Good to hear, I meant to check in on the forums but life has gone tits up recently so no time.

yeah; TOTSE Alliance is still there.

Surprised you didn't try to flame me lol.

Good to hear, I meant to check in on the forums but life has gone tits up recently so no time.

yeah; TOTSE Alliance is still there.

Surprised you didn't try to flame me lol.

Hopefully by that point a revolution will break out in Britain.


That already happened. A bunch of times.

yeah; TOTSE Alliance is still there.

Surprised you didn't try to flame me lol.

I thought you were me. heh.

I thought you were me. heh.

I was hoping I could start a chain :(.

I was hoping I could start a chain :(

(done, dude)

(also bump)

No combo :(

No combo :(

:(

:(

You'll do better in other threads, etc. :)

They'll be able to get away with it because the majority of people are willing to give up their freedom to feel safe.

What is wrong with CRB checks for working with children? I had one and I have no problem with it whatsoever, would you prefer it if anyone; former child abusers, peadophiles, could get a job working one on one with little kids?

What is wrong with CRB checks for working with children? I had one and I have no problem with it whatsoever, would you prefer it if anyone; former child abusers, peadophiles, could get a job working one on one with little kids?

This is the problem. Laws like these are brought in under the guise of something beneficial, which people will agree with. That way the people who disagree with it are told exactly what you just said.

It's the implications that I take issue with. It paves the way to more rigorous tests, along with all this other bullshit the government has brought in under other retarded suppositions like 'terrorism'.

Something to take note of - all this 'paedos are everywhere!' fearmongering has only really come into fashion in the last 10 or 20 years. Before then, noone cared, and guess what? The amount of kids abducted/abused hasn't really changed either. Background checks are entirely unnecessary.

(...blah blah slippery slope)

Something to take note of - all this 'paedos are everywhere!' fearmongering has only really come into fashion in the last 10 or 20 years. Before then, noone cared, and guess what? The amount of kids abducted/abused hasn't really changed either. Background checks are entirely unnecessary.

Care to back that up with some facts? I work with kids and I am willing to bet you a substantial amount of money that levels of child abuse in public care has gone down substantially since the introduction of CRB checks.

would you prefer it if anyone; former child abusers, peadophiles, could get a job working one on one with little kids?

As a /b/tard, I say yes I would prefer it.

EDIT: and no, it won't stop 'paedophiles' or put much of a dent either given:

NONPEDOPHILES: SELF-REPORT (http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/BIB/pedophilia.htm#TOP)

How common is sexual interest or arousal in persons not known to be, or self-labeled as, pedophiles? In a sample of nearly 200 university males, 21%reported some sexual attraction to small children, 9% described sexual fantasies involving children, 5% admitted to having masturbated to sexual fantasies of children, and 7% indicated they might have sex with a child if not caught (Briere & Runtz, 1989). Briere and Runtz remarked that “given the probable social undesirability of such admissions, we may hypothesize that the actual rates were even higher” (p. 71). In another sample with 100 male and 180 female undergraduate students, 22% of males and 3% of females reported sexual attraction to a child (Smiljanich & Briere, 1996).

This is the people who fucking had the balls to admit that to others. Many people can't admit it to themselves....

http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/BIB/pedophilia.htm

EDIT 2: the point is it won't do much, likely nothing and there's other ways to get loli pooper. And Fascist Britain has another law in place to clamp down on its' populace. How are those cameras and anti-gun laws doing :p :D

Care to back that up with some facts? I work with kids and I am willing to bet you a substantial amount of money that levels of child abuse in public care has gone down substantially since the introduction of CRB checks.

You're missing the point. I don't doubt that levels of child abuse in public care have gone down since the checks have been introduced in places where it's relevant; I was referring to the fact that since stories about paedophiles started appearing everywhere and parents started keeping their kids from going anywhere out of fear, it hasn't changed. It's the laws that stop the abuse, not the media scare tactics.

The danger kids are in from paedophiles has been badly exaggerated, and this 'omg paedophiles are everywhere' mentality is what's being used as leverage to bring in laws that vastly curtail our civil liverties.

I just don't like where they'll go with this. They're already abusing mental health laws to keep undesirable people 'institutionalised (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/free-after-36-years-the-man-who-was-left-to-rot-in-broadmoor-431117.html)' indefinitely.

As a /b/tard, I say yes I would prefer it.
(a study on university students sexual fetishes)


Fascinating, absolutely fascinating, I completely take back my point on...wait no I don't as that had absolutely nothing to do with anything I typed!
Do you know what a CRB check is? It's a criminal record check. If you want to be a school janitor, kindergarten teacher, child care worker, you have one. They check your criminal record and if you have committed a crime which puts children at risk, you can't work with them. So under the old system if you had a conviction for sexually molesting children, once you served your time you could work with vulnerable kids, say as a P.E teacher (Locker room funtime). You decided to respond by trying to prove that some people fantacise about fucking kids and that you like jerking it lolicon. Do you see where you went wrong?

You're missing the point. I don't doubt that levels of child abuse in public care have gone down since the checks have been introduced in places where it's relevant;
Good.


The danger kids are in from paedophiles has been badly exaggerated, and this 'omg paedophiles are everywhere' mentality is what's being used as leverage to bring in laws that vastly curtail our civil liverties.

I just don't like where they'll go with this.

But that's the case with any kind of new legislation, maybe a couple of years ago I would have agreed wholeheartedly with you but I'm not so sure that the government spends its time thinking up clever facades to take away our civil liberties. CRB checks, to my memory, were introduced after a speight of serious sexual abuses against children in care, although I could be thinking of the Child Protection Laws.
Peadophilia 'scares' may be exaggerated by the media to sell papers, I'd argue its exaggerated less than the other favourites "TERRORISM!" and "Young people are awful", but that certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't take simple and harmless steps to protect children, and its simply moronic to react to CRB checks as "OMG FASCISTS!"

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating, I completely take back my point on...wait no I don't as that had absolutely nothing to do with anything I typed!
Do you know what a CRB check is? It's a criminal record check. If you want to be a school janitor, kindergarten teacher, child care worker, you have one. They check your criminal record and if you have committed a crime which puts children at risk, you can't work with them. So under the old system if you had a conviction for sexually molesting children, once you served your time you could work with vulnerable kids, say as a P.E teacher (Locker room funtime). You decided to respond by trying to prove that some people fantacise about fucking kids and that you like jerking it lolicon. Do you see where you went wrong?

1. I never said the bolded part.
2. My point was those criminal backgrond checks are shit in stopping criminals, it's another example of the Man taking more power, and simply are remnants of that bullshit 'extended punishment' that was more blatant in earlier times, ESPECIALLY in the UK. Felons in the US not being able to vote is another example of this. Same thing for those background checks and the like.

EDIT: I understand I probably fucked this up in how I phrased it.

It amazes me how little you Americans know of this country.
It has been a well established fact that Britain is a police state for about a decade so far.

SWF, you seem more concerned about the very beneficial plan for orientation checks than you are about the recent proposals to create a DNA database of every citizen and to monitor every communication in the UK.

Not to mention, this shithole is obsessed with labelling every man, woman and child as having a psychological disorder of some kind, and continues to reduce any judicial "punishment" to a series of fines and community service.

At least there is the prospect of economic collapse and civil war to look forward to.


Afterthought:
Handuns and Semi-automatics are becoming increasingly easy to obtain at the moment, so I don't know where you lot get this idea that we don't have any weapons.
Britain is blessed with thoroughly corrupt armed forces.

Peadophilia 'scares' may be exaggerated by the media to sell papers, I'd argue its exaggerated less than the other favourites "TERRORISM!" and "Young people are awful", but that certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't take simple and harmless steps to protect children, and its simply moronic to react to CRB checks as "OMG FASCISTS!"

I simply said that I didn't like these checks, simply because they will be abused, and what could be potentially built upon them is... worrying.

The thing that annoys me the most is that due to the way they bring them in (i.e child safety), there's nothing you can do to stop it.

I swear one day I'm just going to abandon this shithole.

It amazes me how little you Americans know of this country.
It has been a well established fact that Britain is a police state for about a decade so far.

Couldn't you go back to Thatcher for the beginning? But yeah it's been this way for a while given the cameras.

SWF, you seem more concerned about the very beneficial plan for orientation checks than you are about the recent proposals to create a DNA database of every citizen and to monitor every communication in the UK.


I heard of that, didn't they intentionally say they're not putting all the DNA in the database intentionally? Still damn scary. I was focusing on related subjects to the OP so I won't veer too much off the thread and arguably 'hijack' it. But that too. Remember Alex Jones talking about it a while ago/it on infowars and some other sites.

Not to mention, this shithole is obsessed with labelling every man, woman and child as having a psychological disorder of some kind, and continues to reduce any judicial "punishment" to a series of fines and community service.

how's those Anti-Social Behavior Orders doing (and what they're being used for)? Or the widespread use of the Mosquito, that ultra-sonic hell device.

At least there is the prospect of economic collapse and civil war to look forward to.


Civil War? How so? Would that Welsh separatist party end up winning a majority and splitting, or something similar with the Scottish?

Please explain.

EDIT: and hasn't the UK been in Civil War for a long time especially concerning Ireland?

Afterthought:
Handuns and Semi-automatics are becoming increasingly easy to obtain at the moment, so I don't know where you lot get this idea that we don't have any weapons.

I was referring to the strict anti-gun laws in place in the UK. Even the police use batons there. Granted, it's effective......


Britain is blessed with thoroughly corrupt armed forces.

lol...

2. My point was those criminal backgrond checks are shit in stopping criminals, it's another example of the Man taking more power, and simply are remnants of that bullshit 'extended punishment' that was more blatant in earlier times, ESPECIALLY in the UK.

EDIT: I understand I probably fucked this up in how I phrased it.

And my point is you need to back that up, I'm not saying that it's stopped any possibility of children being abused but as I stated before I would bet a substantial amount of money that it has reduced the risk, and I'm frankly flabbergasted that you've been unable to comprehend this.
As for 'extended punishment' you don't give a recovering alcoholic a job in a brewery, the possible outcome for the peado situation is far worse.

I think the fear of mass paedophilia is derived from people's own paedophilic thoughts that everyone has from time to time.

Assuming that there is someone worse then they, and such.

Really a bunch of nonsense, this would cause great damage to how a society interacts child to adult.

I think the fear of mass paedophilia is derived from people's own paedophilic thoughts that everyone has from time to time.


So true. The masses (an laws) consider any sort of sexual desire/contact/viewing for/of anyone under 18 (or 16 I guess in some places) to be pedophilia. This has really only been a thing of the last 100 years or so and it's pretty comical.

For 95% of humans existence on earth people tended to live very short lives. That meant mating had to take place at a young age. There is a very good evolutionary reason why girls start to bleed when they are 12. Unfortunately for most of currently alive mankind nature had another nasty trick up its sleeve. Since girls couldn't make a baby without a mate, nature committed the horrible atrocity of making men attracted to girls who where under 18. At least nature had the courtesy to keep girls hot into the 20's and sometimes 30's+.

I think the fear of mass paedophilia is derived from people's own paedophilic thoughts that everyone has from time to time.

Oops, your psychodynamics are showing.

how's those Anti-Social Behavior Orders doing (and what they're being used for)? Or the widespread use of the Mosquito, that ultra-sonic hell device.


ASBOs are being used for minor offences such as theft, vandalism and assault.
I have recently been coerced into going to therapy sessions and taking medication after an even minor incident though, so I expect that the ASBO will be replaced by counselling and conditioning in the near future.

The Mosquito is a minor irritation and is easily countered with cheap handheld phase cancellation devices, due to the fact it only works on a small frequency range at low power.



Civil War? How so? Would that Welsh separatist party end up winning a majority and splitting, or something similar with the Scottish?

Please explain.

EDIT: and hasn't the UK been in Civil War for a long time especially concerning Ireland?


I'm talking civil war in a loose sense.
People eventually become disillusioned with the government - and resort to violence and theft on a large scale - when a certain threshold of invasive tolerance is breached.
Britain is already on edge with trivial matters such as immigration, economic collapse and knife crime.
Hopefully, a point will be reached where this incites a survival-of-the-fittest mindset in the public and complete chaos arises.




I was referring to the strict anti-gun laws in place in the UK. Even the police use batons there. Granted, it's effective......


The laws don't alter the fact that guns are abundant and easily obtained.
In fact, the legal system in Britain is a rather hilarious joke.

I read about this around lunch time and have been thinking about it (the law) almost all day.
A few points I thought up are:

1. I remember on an episode of law and order that the test worked by showing pictures of children, and they had to pick whether if there were attracted to them, yes or no. The way the tests evaluated if you were a pedo or not is not by what option you picked, but now long you looked at the immage on the screen before selecting an answer, most likley no.

2. And another thing I was thinking of that this could be considered a method of population control. Not in the sense that they can stop people from having children, but in the sense that they can limit what one individual can do. And whos to say whether these tests will not be altered. That being said...

Example time: Assuming "The Party" wishes to keep all of the unknowing people in the dark about thier actions they would be able to use this test to keep an individual from informing people. Let's say a teacher was informing children about what is going on, the government could have him take this test, he would fail it (reguardless of his score) and then he wouldn't be allowed to inform the ignorant youth. And what do the parents think about all of this? "So that teacher that was telling you all of these things was a pedophile?! Forget everything he ever told you"

Example time 2: Say John Q. Someone wants to run for PM, or some other office. (I'm sorry I'm not familliar with how the Parliment works) But Johnny doesn't want to work in the same direction of the aforementioned "Party." John wouldn't look very good in the public's eyes if it turned out he was a rageing child hungry pedophile would it?

I don't claim to be some sort of all knowing political mastermind, But if I were trying to controll a country in the most discreet way possible. This is how I would do it.

Oh yeah, I know I made alot of spelling mistake...