View Full Version : One reason i hold to believe GOD.
swissblade
2008-06-29, 14:32
I cant have supreme knowledge of everything.
To know the past, present and future of this earth and the universe.
In this perspective, i believe in god. I believe in hinduism.
shitty wok
2008-06-29, 18:51
I don't know everything
therefore god exists?
:rolleyes:
KikoSanchez
2008-06-29, 18:53
Flawless victory.
BrokeProphet
2008-06-29, 19:42
Too easy.
Any good arguments out there?
I cant have supreme knowledge of everything.
Therefore you cannot know of a supreme being.
mythbuster13
2008-06-30, 00:04
Therefore you cannot know of a supreme being.
That's why we make them up. Duh!
swissblade
2008-06-30, 07:33
Also i dont know what i will do with the wisdom too. even if iam the most intelligent, beautiful person in the world, i cant go on like that till eternity.
One day you will get fed up of everything.
TO me the sole reason iam living is not for family, money, wide, kids, soceity, etc.,
But to question my very existence, and everywhere i look there seems to be all knowing god(like that they say in hinduism).
Any other argument against mine?
swissblade
2008-06-30, 07:37
I don't know everything
therefore god exists?
even if i do know everything, what will i do with that knowledge? is another big question.
And yes, i CANT know everything, thats why GOD exists. If you can make good argument against this.. we can think the other way.
That's why we make them up. Duh!
We dont make them up, its there for all to see. Its just that you dont wanna see.
KikoSanchez
2008-06-30, 18:50
even if i do know everything, what will i do with that knowledge? is another big question.
And yes, i CANT know everything, thats why GOD exists. If you can make good argument against this.. we can think the other way.
This really is not an argument.
P) I can't know everything
C) God must exist
?? Not quite. A system can have individuals within it that don't know everything, without there being any being within or outside of the system that knows everything within that system. It is not necessary, so your conclusion does not follow from the premise.
We dont make them up, its there for all to see. Its just that you dont wanna see.
I've always enjoyed this nice catch-22. If it's there for all to see, then why do those that even "see it", tend to see it so horribly different than others that "see it". I don't just mean a different perspective of the same thing, but they see it as something completely and utterly different from another group of people.
ArmsMerchant
2008-06-30, 18:54
Therefore you cannot know of a supreme being.
I beg to differ. The intelligence/information/energy grid that sponsors and supports the universe (God for short) IS by definition infinite and unknowable in toto to us domesticated primates, being that our faculties are finite. That said, it IS possible to communicate with this thing.
BrokeProphet
2008-06-30, 20:40
But to question my very existence, and everywhere i look there seems to be all knowing god(like that they say in hinduism).
Any other argument against mine?
You don't have an argument. You have a highly subjective observation, to which you have not provided any further details. Basically you have said "Trust me, there is a God, I see signs".
That is not an argument. Put a little more effort into it and it may grow up to be one someday. Nice try, and good luck.
KikoSanchez
2008-06-30, 21:28
I beg to differ. The intelligence/information/energy grid that sponsors and supports the universe (God for short) IS by definition infinite and unknowable in toto to us domesticated primates, being that our faculties are finite. That said, it IS possible to communicate with this thing.
Not to be confrontational, but I'm just curious by what faculties or medium it communicates with you. Is it something you feel or do you hear it linguistically or something else?
Only fail this epic can come from an acolyte.
BillGatesJR
2008-07-01, 03:33
This really is not an argument.
P) I can't know everything
C) God must exist
Hello again Kiko (by the way i got a 2.5 on my animal cruelty paper you helped debate me about).
I see you have summarized his argument structure, but what does "P" and "C" stand for?
AsylumSeaker
2008-07-01, 10:52
So wouldn't god get fucking sick of being an all knowing all powerful being by your own stupid logic?
That's why we make them up. Duh!
this is a good argument for antitheism.
Only fail this epic can come from an acolyte.
Also:
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harry_hardcore_hoedown
2008-07-01, 10:59
That's a fucking bullshit reason. That's like saying that your dick is only a finite length, therefore there must be somebody with an infinitely long dick.
S t o y v e
2008-07-01, 12:57
Hello again Kiko (by the way i got a 2.5 on my animal cruelty paper you helped debate me about).
I see you have summarized his argument structure, but what does "P" and "C" stand for?
P = Premise
C = Conclusion
The guy talking about dicks is spot on.
ok science cannot prove that there is a god so i say there is not one
Visceral Ethereal Carpet
2008-07-01, 14:04
I cant have supreme knowledge of everything.
To know the past, present and future of this earth and the universe.
In this perspective, i believe in god. I believe in hinduism.
I think there are about 33 gods in hinduism.
you dont just get to pick one.
:rolleyes:
also, your argument is so vague that the vultures will just fly away for lack of edible carrion to pick at.
they will just shake your bones up, acolyte! shake the bones of your lifeless argument!
BillGatesJR
2008-07-01, 14:18
ok science cannot prove that there is a god so i say there is not one
This is a flawed argument. We knew that there was a force pulling us back to earth before science could prove it, now we have every written law of gravity. It doesn't mean there is no God.
However, you are right, science cannot prove God's existence. But, since the opposite cannot be proven true either, science does leave it open for questioning. In fact the Bible says God's existence is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in Him. This scripture is credible, since His existence cannot be disproven, and if you open your eyes you will see that the evidence is all around you.
shitty wok
2008-07-01, 14:25
even if i do know everything, what will i do with that knowledge? is another big question.
And yes, i CANT know everything, thats why GOD exists. If you can make good argument against this.. we can think the other way.
.
An argument from ignorance proves absolutely nothing. I don't no everything; this means Osiris/Oden/C'thulu/Vishnu/FSM exists
swissblade
2008-07-01, 15:26
For some this thread might be a shocker because they are that intelligent to know that they cant be 'intelligent" and i guess every person in this world is a dumb person is some respect and there is actually NO WAY OUT OF IT.
YOU ARE THE MOST DUMBEST SH*T TO WALK ON THIS PLANET.
Including me :)
People should say this to themselves, each and everyday so that they know their roots and know who they actually ARE.
I see many people cant digest this FACT that people are dumb creatures.
And make arguments that "there is NO GOD" and this doesnt "prove GOD".
First of all GOD is not a person who sits up in the sky and sees what everyone does.
"in darkness are those who worship the manifested, in GREATER darkness are those who worship the unmanifested" - rg veda
Whatever science may acheive, whatever science may do, its still not possible to say how humans came here, or the formation of earth, or the formation of this infinite universe.
Universe is a infinite place, there is NO end to it.. it just spans, spans and spans... and within that there are universes in itself. There is a entire limitless universe inside an atom. There is no way of reaching that infinite, and we never will.
What science has acheived so far, is NIL. man gone to space ages ago, man used ships ages ago, man made television ages ago, there is nothing new the modern science has achieved, it did more harm to human being than it did good.
The information available to a human being is SO VAST, that its literally impossible to know what is in your home if you start finding. If you count the number atoms are on your screen right now, its infinite and cannot be measured. This is universal truth, we humans are CAGED in a infinite prison. To get out of this infiniteness is called MOKSHA.
How you get out of it is only dependent on one SUPREME GOD. To reach him you must know this truth.
VISHNU = vish + anu
anu = matter
vish = infinite
also paramanu
para = smallest
anu = matter.
nuclear bomb was called paramanu hatiyar, and the nuclear bomb was known in india more than 50, 000 years ago. Its nothing new. sir oppenheimer himself admitted that the nuclear bomb was the first in MODERN TIMES.
When a man like oppenheimer who created the nuclear bomb, and the person who created AC, wireless technology, radar, and countless others believes the vedas and its god vishnu i dont understand why you all dont.
I feel so funny when i hear atheist cheap talk. i mean how much "guts" these people have to deny god?
Just see your body, what force takes u from being a baby to teen age to old man to death???
ofcourse science can give some medicines and do some surgery but that very low science, anyone can do that. Nothing new here too..
iam behind the force which makes a baby out a sperm and an egg.. of course i agree its a chemical reaction. But why does it happen the way it does? who said it to perform a chemical reaction and give a result as a new human being?
you cant deny the existence of GOD with all the pseudo science you have.
adios.
sorry for bad english.. iam indian and english sucks.
Visceral Ethereal Carpet
2008-07-01, 15:49
it is logically impossible to disprove the existence of anything, but saying that god did everything is a great way to suck all the awe and sublime wonder out of natural processes.
scientific process= observation-> form theory-> perform experiment to disprove theory-> if experiment fails to disprove theory, use theory until enough anomalies arise to render theory useless.
religious process= observation -> god did it -> ..... ->Profit.
(that last word is an important one) ;)
kill kill...umm cookies
2008-07-01, 18:23
For some this thread might be a shocker because they are that intelligent to know that they cant be 'intelligent" and i guess every person in this world is a dumb person is some respect and there is actually NO WAY OUT OF IT.
YOU ARE THE MOST DUMBEST SH*T TO WALK ON THIS PLANET.
Including me :)
People should say this to themselves, each and everyday so that they know their roots and know who they actually ARE.
I see many people cant digest this FACT that people are dumb creatures.
And make arguments that "there is NO GOD" and this doesnt "prove GOD".
First of all GOD is not a person who sits up in the sky and sees what everyone does.
"in darkness are those who worship the manifested, in GREATER darkness are those who worship the unmanifested" - rg veda
Whatever science may acheive, whatever science may do, its still not possible to say how humans came here, or the formation of earth, or the formation of this infinite universe.
Universe is a infinite place, there is NO end to it.. it just spans, spans and spans... and within that there are universes in itself. There is a entire limitless universe inside an atom. There is no way of reaching that infinite, and we never will.
What science has acheived so far, is NIL. man gone to space ages ago, man used ships ages ago, man made television ages ago, there is nothing new the modern science has achieved, it did more harm to human being than it did good.
The information available to a human being is SO VAST, that its literally impossible to know what is in your home if you start finding. If you count the number atoms are on your screen right now, its infinite and cannot be measured. This is universal truth, we humans are CAGED in a infinite prison. To get out of this infiniteness is called MOKSHA.
How you get out of it is only dependent on one SUPREME GOD. To reach him you must know this truth.
VISHNU = vish + anu
anu = matter
vish = infinite
also paramanu
para = smallest
anu = matter.
nuclear bomb was called paramanu hatiyar, and the nuclear bomb was known in india more than 50, 000 years ago. Its nothing new. sir oppenheimer himself admitted that the nuclear bomb was the first in MODERN TIMES.
When a man like oppenheimer who created the nuclear bomb, and the person who created AC, wireless technology, radar, and countless others believes the vedas and its god vishnu i dont understand why you all dont.
I feel so funny when i hear atheist cheap talk. i mean how much "guts" these people have to deny god?
Just see your body, what force takes u from being a baby to teen age to old man to death???
ofcourse science can give some medicines and do some surgery but that very low science, anyone can do that. Nothing new here too..
iam behind the force which makes a baby out a sperm and an egg.. of course i agree its a chemical reaction. But why does it happen the way it does? who said it to perform a chemical reaction and give a result as a new human being?
you cant deny the existence of GOD with all the pseudo science you have.
adios.
sorry for bad english.. iam indian and english sucks.
Wow, so much idiocy in this post, i don't know where to start.. Ok, hows about the universe is infinite.. Well, i think the word you were looking for is Expanding, not infinite, because as anyone can surmise, nothing is infinite, matter is not created out of nothing, matter(basically)=energy, if you can run out of matter or energy (like gases that condense together to form stars for example) then the univerve is not actually infinite, im too lazy to look up studies, (and this is me going from memory here so take this with a grain of salt) in a few hundred trillion years, this universe will be out of energy, meaning gases, stars that are still "alive" there wont be any chance for renewal of energy, because there wont be ANY to use, so how is the universe infinite? Infinite implies never-ending, and if you can run out of fuel, you can end. And no, just because we cant see the whole universe does not mean it is infinitely spread apart, or never ending. Infact the universe is actually flying apart at an enormous rate.
"there is an infinite universe within an atom..." Wow, glad you figured that one out, gee, what kinda microscope didja have to use to be able to see that? If you didnt get the sarcasm in that, im saying shut the fuck up, you're opinions/fantasies != reality.
"When a man like oppenheimer who created the nuclear bomb, and the person who created AC, wireless technology, radar, and countless others believes the vedas and its god vishnu i dont understand why you all dont." Easy, because people have learned over the years that just because someone is smarter than you does not mean they're right. Just because Oppenheimer believed in whoever, doesnt mean should. Im sorry, but you could tell me Stephen Hawking believes in an all powerful peacock with golden feathers created the universe, i will not believe UNLESS there was substancial evidence to prove it.
You wanna know why an egg and a sperm react the way they do to create a baby? Go take a university biology course, that or a course that has to do with that field, because just because you dont know why something happens, doesn't mean that other people haven't figured it out yet.
Anyway keep in mind this is mostly my own opinion, when mentioning stuff about space and the universe, i got most of my info off wikipedia and a documentary series called The Universe, Not saying what i said was the absolute truth, as, well theories are still theories and should be treated as such.
Oh and please, show me some evidence of this "first" atom bomb in india that you speak of, show me rediation readings, show me how people back then, could have made an atomic bomb, when they didnt have nearly as much technology as they did during the second world war. Tell me how, if india had an atomic bomb that blew up (if it even did) And dont tell me "oh it was 50, 000 years ago, theres no evidence left" because radiation lasts for a long fucking time, way long then 50,000 years.
Im sorry but all i see in your argument are suppositions and trying to make opinions sound more like truth than they are. The atom bomb in india is a LEGEND, it hasnt been verified, atleast not to my knowledge, stop treating it like its a proven fact because Oppenheimer (or however you spell it) said that it was.
Fuck.
Dark_Magneto
2008-07-01, 18:33
And yes, i CANT know everything, thats why GOD exists.
Ignorance, therefore God.
If we subscribe to this idea, the power of god is inversely proportional to how much we know.
God was most powerful during prescientific times.
The more gaps of ignorance there are for God to dwell in the more powerful he becomes.
The pursuit of knowledge is killing God. Once we have an explanation for something, it defaults to a naturalistic explanation and God stops working his magic there.
mythbuster13
2008-07-01, 19:19
Ignorance, therefore God.
this.
This is a flawed argument. We knew that there was a force pulling us back to earth before science could prove it, now we have every written law of gravity. It doesn't mean there is no God.
However, you are right, science cannot prove God's existence. But, since the opposite cannot be proven true either, science does leave it open for questioning. In fact the Bible says God's existence is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in Him. This scripture is credible, since His existence cannot be disproven, and if you open your eyes you will see that the evidence is all around you.
yes,we cannot prove that there is or isn't a god but science has explained a lot of things like gravity holding the earth in orbit. So i think it is just a matter of time until we prove everything and the thought of god will be forgotten.
CaptainCanada
2008-07-03, 02:22
This is a flawed argument. We knew that there was a force pulling us back to earth before science could prove it, now we have every written law of gravity. It doesn't mean there is no God.
However, you are right, science cannot prove God's existence. But, since the opposite cannot be proven true either, science does leave it open for questioning. In fact the Bible says God's existence is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in Him. This scripture is credible, since His existence cannot be disproven, and if you open your eyes you will see that the evidence is all around you.
wow... lol
Not only are you too stupid to to see the guy's sarcasm, but after you go and pick apart his flawed logic, you then use an even dumber/more flawed argument than his sarcastic one.
wow... lol
Not only are you too stupid to to see the guy's sarcasm, but after you go and pick apart his flawed logic, you then use an even dumber/more flawed argument than his sarcastic one.
ok so i am stupid but i already knew that.
CaptainCanada
2008-07-03, 03:18
ok so i am stupid but i already knew that.
Ok sure, but I was saying that BillGatesJR was stupid, not you.
Ok sure, but I was saying that BillGatesJR was stupid, not you.
oh crap ok but i am a little stupid a lot of my theories are flawed.the same can be said about my logic.
CaptainCanada
2008-07-03, 04:23
Since the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven, there is uncertainty. This fact can be used to justify either side of the argument equally well (not very well I might add).
Just because there is uncertainty, the probabilities of God existing or not need not be equal. For reasons which could easily fill pages, I consider it to be ridiculously improbable that God, by any of the standard definitions, exists. In light of this, following any form of religion just seems silly.
Lou Reed
2008-07-03, 11:49
In the beginning there was nothing only apes. I think, in very simple terms, man made ethics and religion so that physics and biology and all the sciences could happen suggesting that we are part of a greater existence which has been ever changing for many millennium.
irresponsible activist
2008-07-04, 21:28
Prove we have souls.
Prove that we go to heaven after death
Prove there is a god
I mean concrete facts, not some writing in a book with questionable credibility.
Might as well prove reality while we're at it.
irresponsible activist
2008-07-04, 22:07
Might as well prove reality while we're at it.
Which I can actually do. Taking a picture of yourself and seeing it is proof enough that you exist.
How come god doesn't talk to us? It would not affect our free will, so don't even go that route.
Vanhalla
2008-07-04, 23:27
Which I can actually do. Taking a picture of yourself and seeing it is proof enough that you exist.
UNLESS the camera only exists because you think it exists.
How come god doesn't talk to us? It would not affect our free will, so don't even go that route.
Maybe he does?
Try opening your imaginary ears!
irresponsible activist
2008-07-04, 23:28
UNLESS the camera only exists because you think it exists.
It exists because you can see it. You can feel it.
god on the other hand...:rolleyes:
Vanhalla
2008-07-05, 00:00
It exists because you can see it. You can feel it.
god on the other hand...:rolleyes:
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.
‘Auguries of Innocence’
A prophetic message expressed in four lines that could be expanded to hundreds.
Touching all levels and circumstances of life in a time when materialist science was rising to assume the authority once possessed by religion.
Blake was concerned to bring about nothing less than a reversal of the premises of Western materialism, the very foundation of the civilization we now inherit.
Every body does not see alike.
“The tree which moves some to tears of joy is in the Eyes of others only a Green thing that stands in the way.”
BrokeProphet
2008-07-05, 01:04
Touching all levels and circumstances of life in a time when materialist science was rising to assume the authority once possessed by religion.
Religion only possessed that authority, b/c they murdered, burned, and through intimidation forced, their righteous will upon the people.
William Blake probably knew this when he wrote the poem as it speaks of innocence juxtaposed with evil and corruption (perfect way of describing the lie of religion if you ask me).
NOW, we can argue what Blake meant in that poem for days, hell it HAS been argued for years...and everyone gets to be right (everyone gets a trophy), b/c it is subjective.
Science strives for objectivity, which is much more useful for determining things like, the best way to transplant an organ, or finding the best way to use electricity to communicate.
I enjoy poetry, fiction, art, as much as you do, but I do not confuse those things, or compare their usefullness with science. There is little comparison to be made.
GloriousG
2008-07-06, 15:50
Theres no reason there can't be a god.
Whether the OP convinced of this or not does not matter.
God is believable unlike saying something like 2+2 = 6.
Who says we should only believe in things we see...
Religion is not perfectly written because we wrote it. Im glad theres mistakes, Im glad the slight evils in us made those mistakes. If not the world would be very boring. But I also hate this evil... and im glad I can hate.
Religion in its true essence, the unwritten understanding, can be achieved with 100% honesty among many other aspects and perspectives of knowledge(which i dont know about), you can't deny there can be a perfect understanding.
Why all this joking about people who believe? your just gonna believe some comedian? your just gonna stop believing because something bad happened in your life? do you even understand the point of religion?
the point of religion is so wide... wide enough to expand from good to evil? yes, only because religion was something we created. So what now just because .1% of some religion has some things yoiu disagree with, your going to stop giving a fuck? what about the rest of that percentage? .
Think for yourselves.
shitty wok
2008-07-06, 15:50
Avatars of powers from four worlds
Bathed me in jewels of belief
I drink the nectar of Goddess - my eternal mistress
I am Shiva, Hadit or Beast himself
And multitude of forms surpasses myself
I kneel before Isis, I - her god and slave
Coiled serpent lifts up his head and looks in my eyes
Third power and third eye create The One
I am who I am not
I am who I am not
Wheels of change turn with my breath
I touch the red - hot firmament (of golden darkenings of heavens)
And stars are falling down onto every side of world
With my tongue I penetrate scarlet abysses of Kteis
Overflowing my body with thrill and heart with warmth
Suddenly I'm shooting forth venom
'Cause I, I became a snake who rounds her flesh
Here and now, here and now
I am who I am not
I negate and confirm
I transgress- it is real!
Not-Insane
2008-07-07, 10:02
Just because humans are too stupid as of yet to know everything about the universe doesn't mean there is a god. Believing so is ignorant and foolish.
AsylumSeaker
2008-07-07, 11:42
Just because humans are too stupid as of yet to know everything about the universe doesn't mean there is a god. Believing so is ignorant and foolish.
Though It's just as foolish to deny the possibility entirely. I feel silly for quoting this guy so often lately, but this ones just so relevant right here:
"I would prefer a kind of intellectual anarchy where whatever was pragmatically applicable was brought to bear on any situation; where belief was understood as a self- limiting function. Because, you see, if you believe something , you are automatically precluded from believing its opposite; which means that a degree of your human freedom has been forfeited in the act of committing yourself to this belief." - Terence Mckenna
Dark_Magneto
2008-07-07, 20:35
Though It's just as foolish to deny the possibility entirely. I feel silly for quoting this guy so often lately, but this ones just so relevant right here
So, how do we deal with heretofore unknown, but suspicious and possibly false claims? The answer is that a fine line between naiveté and dogmatism must be walked by every critical thinker. On the one hand, sheer insanity awaits if we remain undecided on every bizarre yet conveniently unfalsifiable claim we come across:
Leprechauns? Well, they might exist, so it would be sheer folly not to follow a rainbow for a free chance at $.
Garden demons? You better not go outside in the dark, just in case.
Deities that desire your attention and will roast you on a paranormal spit rack if you don't give them any? Well, it couldn't hurt to burn a goat in their favor once in awhile.
Ghosts that might spontaneously combust your innards if you get up at any time evenly divisible by 2 minutes? Well, no one can prove those false, so let's keep an open mind... and take painstaking care not to go to the restroom at the wrong moment.
On the other hand, some claims that ran counter to initial expectations and common sense have, indeed, been borne out. Assuming something is logically possible, meaning it isn't internally contradictory, where does one draw the line to declare it a likely fiction and, more importantly, false until shown otherwise?
AsylumSeaker
2008-07-07, 22:08
Drawing lines is a bad idea, its not very flexible or dynamic. Instead I think people should think of things in terms of gradients from false to true, with a gray area in the middle. Probability, percentages, etc.
ArmsMerchant
2008-07-09, 01:09
Atheism as expressed in materialism, is simply outmoded. Ninetheen century stuff, as quantum physics has proven that there is no such thing as objective reality. (Don't take my word for it--read Einstein, or Bohr, or Pauli.)
Dark_Magneto
2008-07-09, 19:00
quantum physics has proven that there is no such thing as objective reality.
Then how does one explain physical constants such as chemical/electrical laws and so forth?
Our understanding of these objective principles has enabled all these technological advancements we have today.
Nearly everything society has built upon would not have been possible if not for the existence of objective truths.
Roxberry
2008-07-09, 19:26
Ninetheen century stuff, as quantum physics has proven that there is no such thing as objective reality. (Don't take my word for it--read Einstein, or Bohr, or Pauli.)
That's a lot of reading you're asking us to do to see if your claim is correct. Do you have a sentence, a paragraph, a couple of pages , etc. from one of those gentleman that can prove your claim correct?
AsylumSeaker
2008-07-09, 21:53
Then how does one explain physical constants such as chemical/electrical laws and so forth?
Our understanding of these objective principles has enabled all these technological advancements we have today.
Nearly everything society has built upon would not have been possible if not for the existence of objective truths.
Unless those things we build our technology and knowledge on are simply almost objective.
Its my understanding that the quantum physics thing armsmerchant mentions proposes that the rules are fluid, not non existent.
I cant have supreme knowledge of everything.
To know the past, present and future of this earth and the universe.
In this perspective, i believe in god. I believe in hinduism.
how do you know this? we humans use as little as 6 percent of our brain. think of how off our perception is off just through the lack of activity in our minds. we are not destined to be judged as good or evil, we are destined for personal evolution. their is no person we kneel to sitting in the sky with thunderbolts. there is merely a consciousness that understands what should and should not be done. now i do believe there is something that created us, i dont believe anything controls us.
Clevmire
2008-07-11, 18:56
we humans use as little as 6 percent of our brain.
This statement is factually inaccurate.
Your presence stands as the only doubt in my mind that this is false.
my farts smell like chicken but i have not partaken of any of late ,I am at a lost as to whence this stench beganst
Atheism as expressed in materialism, is simply outmoded. Ninetheen century stuff, as quantum physics has proven that there is no such thing as objective reality. (Don't take my word for it--read Einstein, or Bohr, or Pauli.)
To claim that Einstein, Bohr and Pauli didn't believe in objective reality, is laughable.
Take your own advice: Please Read Einstein, Bohr or Pauli so you can see they say no such nonsense.
This statement is factually inaccurate.
Your presence stands as the only doubt in my mind that this is false.
hahaha thats funny.
do you use all of your brain? because i know that you do not, because you are not proof of human evolution. can you honestly say that the human brain is 100% developed and usable? there is no way, not until we are FULLY evolved (and yes humans are a constantly evolving species) will we be able to confirm how much brain power we use.
... not until we are FULLY evolved ...
What the fuck does that mean?
Where does evolution 'end'? You understand what evolution is, right?
harry_hardcore_hoedown
2008-07-12, 07:09
we humans use as little as 6 percent of our brain.
This isn't due to some untapped reserves of gray matter in our heads. Different parts of our brain are allocated to different functions - and we generally don't need to use more than a few of these for any particular task.
KikoSanchez
2008-07-12, 15:39
OMG, NO IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A MYTH. Read snopes or wikipedia:
Brain myth:
Humans use only 10% or less of their brain:
Even though many mysteries of brain function persist, every part of the brain has a known function.[7][8][9]
This misconception most likely arose from a misunderstanding (or misrepresentation in an advertisement) of neurological research in the late 1800s or early 1900s when researchers either discovered that only about 10% of the neurons in the brain are firing at any given time or announced that they had only mapped the functions of 10% of the brain up to that time (accounts differ on this point).
Another possible origin of the misconception is that only 10% of the cells in the brain are neurons; the rest are glial cells that, despite being involved in learning, do not function in the same way that neurons do.
Einstein is reported as quipping that people typically only use 10% of their brains. The popular press took this as fact, although the comment was meant only facetiously.
Lower level of brain activation does not mean a lower performance of cognitive functions; this variable has confounded scientists, because some 'gifted' individuals showed less activity than the average person. Haier proposed that indeed more gifted individuals might possess more efficient brain circuits.
Some New Age proponents propagate this belief by asserting that the "unused" ninety percent of the human brain is capable of exhibiting psychic powers and can be trained to perform psychokinesis and extra-sensory perception
What the fuck does that mean?
Where does evolution 'end'? You understand what evolution is, right?
humans are an evolving species and yes i know what the definition says. do you think that we were just smashed onto earth exactly how we are? no, we evolved from some species that was here before us (missing link). we cant be fully evolved because most people suck ass
KikoSanchez
2008-07-12, 19:24
humans are an evolving species and yes i know what the definition says. do you think that we were just smashed onto earth exactly how we are? no, we evolved from some species that was here before us (missing link). we cant be fully evolved because most people suck ass
I think what obbe was getting at is that there is no reason to think we are 'the end' of evolution or that 'people sucking ass' has anything to do with genetic mutation and variation and will deter or change whatever will be in the future through evolution.
I think what obbe was getting at is that there is no reason to think we are 'the end' of evolution or that 'people sucking ass' has anything to do with genetic mutation and variation and will deter or change whatever will be in the future through evolution.
no i believe i put the idea down that we are not the end of evolution, we are merely a fraction of what we will be many many years from now. im on the side of personal evolution side when it comes to people sucking ass, you can choose to evolve personally or you can sit back and watch.
i get what youre saying though.
KikoSanchez
2008-07-12, 21:38
no i believe i put the idea down that we are not the end of evolution, we are merely a fraction of what we will be many many years from now. im on the side of personal evolution side when it comes to people sucking ass, you can choose to evolve personally or you can sit back and watch.
i get what youre saying though.
Oh I see, you're just not using 'evolution' in the scientific sense.
Oh I see, you're just not using 'evolution' in the scientific sense.
not completely but yes its about 50-50
not completely but yes its about 50-50
Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong about humans using only 6% of our brain or whatever.
CosmicZombie
2008-07-13, 22:05
The way I look at if there is a god is just look at evolution everything happened way to perfect and precise to think that just happened God could be anything really could be a name we came up with for like some alien beings I don't know
Roxberry
2008-07-13, 23:31
I was thinking the same thing CosmicZombie like how God must be pretty perfect so he must have a god too but they might just be leprechauns hey wanna join me in starting to use punctuation and starting new sentences once in a while