Sex and religion are kind of joined at the hip. Wicca involves a lot of nudity, and some traditions go in for various forms of sexual celebrations. Aleister Crowley (arguably one of the founders of the Gardnerian tradition), once said that all magick is sex magick. Then there is the tantric tradition, which probably gets more attentions from dudes more interested in raising their willy than their consciousness.

By contrast, Christianity seems largely intent on denying/suppressing sex. During the Middle Ages, even married couples were forbidden by church rule to have sex for most of the year--only during certain times, and then only fgor the purposes of procreation, not recreation. In general, I think Christianity has had a rather sick and twisted view of sex. And when any natural drive is suppressed, it tends to come out in rather extreme forms--witness the phenomena of priestly pedophilia.

IMHO, abstinence is the greatest sexual perversion of all.

IMHO, abstinence is the greatest sexual perversion of all.

You speak wisdom.

First of all, sex led to the birth of a living thing, which we barely understood when we created religion. Since we did not understand..........of course it had to be magical.

Secondly, reproduction is the one thing all living organism has in common together. Sex is, therefore, at the core of the human being.

Finally, we have human desire to control other humans.

These are the three ingredients that led to God dictating how, who, when, and why we fuck.

What Christians have done is take the thing that all living organisms have in common, that most base desire in all humans, and turned it into a leash of guilt and shame, on both a personal and social level.

They did this for control of the flock. It used to be that if you lived in a Christian culture and wanted a piece, you had better be very quiet about it, or pay a minister, join his cult, and you could finally bust one in peace.

I personally believe that religions that promote orgies and ritualistic sex, are also using the most basic of human desires for control, like paganistic practices. If you wanted that easy piece back in the day, take up paganism, do a full moon dance, and enjoy the orgy that follows.

Imagine if Hardee's offered blow jobs (and society did not frown upon this type of thing) with every supersized meal deal. McDonald's would go out of business in 6 months, unless they upped the ante to free anal sex with every meal deal.

That is the power of sex, our most primordial of instincts.

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So if you want to start a cult religion, you better includes some shit that either make people feel guilty about fucking outside of what your religion dictates, or include and promote sexual promiscuity within your cult. (why do you think people join most cults today? To fuck children.)

First of all, sex led to the birth of a living thing, which we barely understood when we created religion. Since we did not understand..........of course it had to be magical.

Secondly, reproduction is the one thing all living organism has in common together. Sex is, therefore, at the core of the human being.

Finally, we have human desire to control other humans.

These are the three ingredients that led to God dictating how, who, when, and why we fuck.

What Christians have done is take the thing that all living organisms have in common, that most base desire in all humans, and turned it into a leash of guilt and shame, on both a personal and social level.

They did this for control of the flock. It used to be that if you lived in a Christian culture and wanted a piece, you had better be very quiet about it, or pay a minister, join his cult, and you could finally bust one in peace.

I personally believe that religions that promote orgies and ritualistic sex, are also using the most basic of human desires for control, like paganistic practices. If you wanted that easy piece back in the day, take up paganism, do a full moon dance, and enjoy the orgy that follows.

Imagine if Hardee's offered blow jobs (and society did not frown upon this type of thing) with every supersized meal deal. McDonald's would go out of business in 6 months, unless they upped the ante to free anal sex with every meal deal.

That is the power of sex, our most primordial of instincts.

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So if you want to start a cult religion, you better includes some shit that either make people feel guilty about fucking outside of what your religion dictates, or include and promote sexual promiscuity within your cult. (why do you think people join most cults today? To fuck children.)

This is why I like the "religions" that I do. They don't say, "You're going to hell if you don't agree with me," but instead, "Here are my experiences and thoughts, I'd like for you to question them long and hard. If you disagree, I'd like for you to explain to me why that is and we will both be better for it."

The path to the Truth can only be "completed" (there's no end to the search if you do it right) if you think for yourself and constantly consider everything. Religions have it wrong, because they really serve to limit people instead of encourage them to grow.

First of all, sex led to the birth of a living thing, which we barely understood when we created religion. Since we did not understand..........of course it had to be magical.

I don't disagree with the fact that religion has historically been used to explain the unexplainable, however I have a hard time believing ancient man was completely oblivious on the process of procreation. The OT talks endlessly about circumcision, even Jesus knew how babies were made:

Matthew 19:5
...For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.

I think any geneticist can tell you what "become one flesh" means ;).

It used to be that if you lived in a Christian culture and wanted a piece, you had better be very quiet about it, or pay a minister, join his cult, and you could finally bust one in peace.

Again, I think you're blowing (no pun intended :D) Christianity out of proportion. Now, I'm not saying it never happend ("indulgences" in the church are a fact) but, most people truely believed in Christianity. They thought they would go to hell if they had sex outside of wedlock (whether or not that actually stopped some is up for debate). It was only the wealthy 10%, mainly the royalty, that could afford to "indulge."

Everything is all about sex.

Everything is all about sex.

I won't argue with you, but I bet you change your mind in, say, fifty years or so.

i reckon that the shapers of modern religion from millenia ago probably couldnt get any pussy so they just decided to ruin for everyone :mad:

^Agreed, sorta. For millenia, men have hated and feared women--nowhere is this more evident in Christianity in general and the Malleus Maleficarum in particulalr, one of the few books that both Protestants and Catholics agreed on during the Burning Times.

sexual energy is the absolute total key to progression on the spiritual path. celibacy is NOT a perversion, wanton masturbation and fornication IS. you are WASTING yrselves. every time you orgasm you are committing suicide.

the true path way though is sexual magick. raising the serpent.

crowley was smart, but he was a black magician.

What do you do to raise your Kundalini, Rizzo?

sexual energy is the absolute total key to progression on the spiritual path. celibacy is NOT a perversion, wanton masturbation and fornication IS. you are WASTING yrselves. every time you orgasm you are committing suicide.

the true path way though is sexual magick. raising the serpent.

crowley was smart, but he was a black magician.

I think I've said this before, but you have officially lost it. Too much acid. Sorry bro.

What do you do to raise your Kundalini, Rizzo?

Right now I can't, so right now I'm focusing mostly on my personal power.


I think I've said this before, but you have officially lost it. Too much acid. Sorry bro.

Please, spare me.

The holy spirit is WITHIN YOU. Yr genitalia, specifically. Why are men attracted to women and vice versa? No, NOT just for "reproduction" (maya, karmic cycle of life and death going nowhere leading nowhere). Males are the energy principle, females are the awareness principle.

I know my vibrations and &t don't mesh at all, but I'm hoping I'll either affect a few people positively or just leave for good.

every time you orgasm you are committing suicide.

Damn those murderous nerve-endings! :mad:

I disagree. Energy-expelling via orgasm is good for you.

I beg that you just take me at my word on this. Since you're not offering up any hard evidence, I won't either.

Damn those murderous nerve-endings! :mad:

I disagree. Energy-expelling via orgasm is good for you.

I beg that you just take me at my word on this. Since you're not offering up any hard evidence, I won't either.

oh, I'll offer you some hard evidence. ;)

blahahahaha

couldn't resist

^ See there, Feds In Town? Rizzo hasn't completely lost it.

He can cease having orgasms, but as long as he retains his sense of humor, he'll be alright.

:D

If you really do want to get into the nitty gritty of the whys and wherefores then I'd be glad to. Personally I'd love to hear how expelling any sort of energy at all is good for you.

Semen is Astral liquid?

Semen is Astral liquid?

that's one way of putting it.

there are many more realms than the astral, though. the astral is just the emotional realm. to properly explore it, you need yr emotions very upbeat and positive and observant. can't do that if yr dopamines lvls are all depleted and what not through orgasm.

that's one way of putting it.

there are many more realms than the astral, though. the astral is just the emotional realm. to properly explore it, you need yr emotions very upbeat and positive and observant. can't do that if yr dopamines lvls are all depleted and what not through orgasm.

If yr trying to get to the higher plains, would it matter is ye jizz or not.

If yr trying to get to the higher plains, would it matter is ye jizz or not.

uh, yeah, totally.

I'll say this once again: true spiritual progress is not possible if you waste sexual energy.

Here is your alternative to Christianity:

http://kratomextract.info/images/png-20x-kratom.jpg

I'll say this once again: true spiritual progress is not possible if you waste sexual energy.

Interesting thought, but I must strongly and respectfully disagree. This idea seems based on the notion that there is something mystical about sex. Love is (or can be ) spirtual; sex is physical, and it is all a matter of brain chemistry. (Recent research has proven that having sex with anyone changes the brain chemistry so that one bonds with them. This is hard-wired, and explains some very odd sex-based match-ups.)

Granted, sex is something that one best not engage in irresponsibly or with intent to dominate or manipulate. ANY attempt to screw with another person's free will is total;l;y counter-productive in terms of one's spiritual growth.

Becoming addicted to sex (in the sense that one requires sex in order to be happy) is likewise counter-productive, as is any addiction.

I still contend, however, that the sponsoring notion behind the original statement is essentially superstitious, much like the belief that some athletes have, that engaging in sex before a game will somehow diminish their mojo.

Now, I'm not saying it never happend ("indulgences" in the church are a fact) but, most people truely believed in Christianity. They thought they would go to hell if they had sex outside of wedlock (whether or not that actually stopped some is up for debate).

I think you are missing the point. Most people believed in Christianity, but was that b/c they needed that primal sexual urge to be fufilled (and needed to believe to make that happen in peace), or was it b/c the violence handed out so readily to non-believers.

I pose this, if Christianity were true, it would not have to have used such nefarious means of propagating itself. Such as sexual control, excommunication, and outright violence.

But I will stay on the topic of sex. Even now, christians in America are sexually oppressing a group of people in a "free" democratic, civilized nation.

Church has always sought to control the reproductive rights and sexual freedom of other human beings. Fuck that, and fuck them.

ANY attempt to screw with another person's free will is total;l;y counter-productive in terms of one's spiritual growth.

Becoming addicted to sex (in the sense that one requires sex in order to be happy) is likewise counter-productive, as is any addiction.

Where is the line drawn. On one hand it is counter-productive to screw with someone's free will (i.e. their sex life) and on the other it is counter-productive to be addicted to sex.

As a strong believer in liberty my solution is very simple. It is none of the public's business. Man wants to fuck hookers...it is between him and his family...not the government...not your god...not anyone else.

In short and remember this religious folk....someone's sex life is none of your business so long as they do not break the law (i.e. infringe upon another's liberty).

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Someone said the bible understands sex, and suggested that christians did not believe child birth was a magical thing.

Get your head out of your ass, people in this day and age, with all of the medical science on the subject still refer to it as a miracle. It isn't a miracle when a slug fucks itself and spits out eggs, or when any living thing reproduces (which all do), just when humans do.

Simple cell division is not magic. Child birth is no miracle.

A miracle would have been if Jesus ever brought a lady home, so no, I don't think he understood what to do with his fun stick. Perhaps he was gelded as a child (you don't know).

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Where are the priorities of the religious right in America? I can watch all sorts of violence, dead bodies on CSI , see caught on camera shows of real people burning alive, snapping bones, getting shot, stabbed, ran over, ejected from vehicles and attacked by wildlife, on TV all day long.

What I cannot see is a simple pair of tits on TV.

I loathe censorship and sexual oppression so it only stands to reason that I loathe the Christian church, their poster boy, and their God.

Interesting thought, but I must strongly and respectfully disagree.

Always up for some respectful debate.

This idea seems based on the notion that there is something mystical about sex.

I'm sorry, but sex is life itself. Everything we do is sex. Eating is sex. Walking is sex, running is sex, talking is sex, even posting on totse is sex. Music, especially, is sex.

Love is (or can be ) spirtual

Love is the balancing of the supposed polar opposites of the universe: the energy principle and the awareness principle. Ying and yang. Male and female. This happens in "love making" - sex. But the orgasm messes all this up, which is where the whole cycle/circle of becoming (oh god I'm cumming) comes into it.

http://www.reuniting.info/science/dopamine_separation_after_orgasm
http://sacred-sex.org/

sex is physical

You can not separate the physical and the spiritual. In fact, you have even said this yrself. Sex is, in fact, the ultimate religious experience. It has been profaned, horribly, by thousands of years of degeneration.

and it is all a matter of brain chemistry.

The universe operates at many different levels. There is a chemical level, and an energetic level. Yes, sex is a chemical reaction, but so are all mystical or spiritual experiences. "The spirit", and yr connection to it revolves almost wholly around yr serotonin levels. For instance, LSD mimics exactly serotonin in the brain and produces states identical or similar to mystical/spiritual experiences, and in some cases full of SELF-REALIZATION. There is also melatonin/DMT in the dream connection, dopamine for motivation and get up and go, etc.



Granted, sex is something that one best not engage in irresponsibly or with intent to dominate or manipulate. ANY attempt to screw with another person's free will is total;l;y counter-productive in terms of one's spiritual growth.

I disagree heavily with the idea that any of us have free-will. We can develop a will, yes, but the vast majority of humans do not have a will and are in fact manipulated by forces far, far beyond their control.


Becoming addicted to sex (in the sense that one requires sex in order to be happy) is likewise counter-productive, as is any addiction.

Becoming addicted to sex is the result of a dopamine depletion, as you will understand if you read the links I gave.



I still contend, however, that the sponsoring notion behind the original statement is essentially superstitious, much like the belief that some athletes have, that engaging in sex before a game will somehow diminish their mojo.

That is absolutely and positively true. Everything, everything is a matter of energy. Releasing yr sexual energy depleted you of yr energy, yr ability to concentrate, focus, push yrself further and harder. As a Shaman (if you really are), you should understand there are no superstitions, just truths that have been degraded.

Always up for some respectful debate.



I'm sorry, but sex is life itself. Everything we do is sex. Eating is sex. Walking is sex, running is sex, talking is sex, even posting on totse is sex. Music, especially, is sex.



Love is the balancing of the supposed polar opposites of the universe: the energy principle and the awareness principle. Ying and yang. Male and female. This happens in "love making" - sex. But the orgasm messes all this up, which is where the whole cycle/circle of becoming (oh god I'm cumming) comes into it.

http://www.reuniting.info/science/dopamine_separation_after_orgasm
http://sacred-sex.org/



You can not separate the physical and the spiritual. In fact, you have even said this yrself. Sex is, in fact, the ultimate religious experience. It has been profaned, horribly, by thousands of years of degeneration.



The universe operates at many different levels. There is a chemical level, and an energetic level. Yes, sex is a chemical reaction, but so are all mystical or spiritual experiences. "The spirit", and yr connection to it revolves almost wholly around yr serotonin levels. For instance, LSD mimics exactly serotonin in the brain and produces states identical or similar to mystical/spiritual experiences, and in some cases full of SELF-REALIZATION. There is also melatonin/DMT in the dream connection, dopamine for motivation and get up and go, etc.



I disagree heavily with the idea that any of us have free-will. We can develop a will, yes, but the vast majority of humans do not have a will and are in fact manipulated by forces far, far beyond their control.



Becoming addicted to sex is the result of a dopamine depletion, as you will understand if you read the links I gave.



That is absolutely and positively true. Everything, everything is a matter of energy. Releasing yr sexual energy depleted you of yr energy, yr ability to concentrate, focus, push yrself further and harder. As a Shaman (if you really are), you should understand there are no superstitions, just truths that have been degraded.

What do you think about gay sex?

What do you think about gay sex?

complete and total perversion

male principle + male principle = ?!!!!

the sex organs are made for a reason.

awareness itself is watery, fluidy...like, well, a vagina.

And God Said, "Just Do It"

I just remembered Time Magazine did an article on churches that are encouraging their members to have more sex:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1818197,00.html

I'm sorry, but sex is life itself. Everything we do is sex. Eating is sex. Walking is sex, running is sex, talking is sex, even posting on totse is sex. Music, especially, is sex.

The universe operates at many different levels. There is a chemical level, and an energetic level. Yes, sex is a chemical reaction, but so are all mystical or spiritual experiences. "The spirit", and yr connection to it revolves almost wholly around yr serotonin levels. For instance, LSD mimics exactly serotonin in the brain and produces states identical or similar to mystical/spiritual experiences, and in some cases full of SELF-REALIZATION. There is also melatonin/DMT in the dream connection, dopamine for motivation and get up and go, etc.

Awesome and intriguing post rizzo, just quoted some of my favorite parts. :D

"As a Shaman (if you really are), you should understand there are no superstitions, just truths that have been degraded."

Perhaps we are using different definitions. To me, a superstition is a fear or belief which is contrary to natural law. "Materialism," for instance.

BTW, "shaman" is just a job title, a role I am sometimes called upon to play--just as I am called upon at times to play the roles of totse poster, husband, step-father, arms dealer, tax payer, and so on. None of these roles have anything to do with my essential self, the "real" me.

STFU Rizzo in a box. Your idea that there is a million different "planes" of reality is utter bullshit until you can substantiate it. You remind me of a video I was watching on Google Video. It was an atheist program and some guy called in and talked about spiritual energy and so forth. The two hosts were like "Substantiate your claim that there is such a thing as spiritual energy." He asked, "Where do you get your energy." The hosts replied "The sun, directly or indirectly." The guy responded "What happens when the sun goes down." To me, you're exactly like that guy.

In the end until you can substantiate your claim that there is a spiritual plane, an astral plane, etc., don't spout your bullshit matter-of-factly.

STFU Rizzo in a box. Your idea that there is a million different "planes" of reality is utter bullshit until you can substantiate it. You remind me of a video I was watching on Google Video. It was an atheist program and some guy called in and talked about spiritual energy and so forth. The two hosts were like "Substantiate your claim that there is such a thing as spiritual energy." He asked, "Where do you get your energy." The hosts replied "The sun, directly or indirectly." The guy responded "What happens when the sun goes down." To me, you're exactly like that guy.

In the end until you can substantiate your claim that there is a spiritual plane, an astral plane, etc., don't spout your bullshit matter-of-factly.

Why do you pretend to have control over me?

You can tell me to be quiet, but I will keep on speaking.

You can tell me to "substantiate" my claims, but truth is self-evident.

This is a forum for religious and spiritual matters. If you want to talk about materialism, pure, blind, demiurge materialism, head to the "science" forums.

I don't care what I remind you of, because nothing can really be compared to anything else.

All you've basically said is, "Stop talking because you can't prove to me this and also you remind me of something I watched once and that made me mad because I didn't really understand it and I want proof of so-and-so and until then I will be angry and want you to be QUIET I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT"

But hell, I can "prove" to you there are millions of different planes quiet easily - there is an atomic level, a microscopic level, a cosmic level, a cellular level...etc. And that's just taking from yr "science".

So please, before you go around telling other people to be quiet, why don't you try huddling in a bit of silence yrself, hmm?

I'm sorry, but sex is life itself. Everything we do is sex. Eating is sex. Walking is sex, running is sex, talking is sex, even posting on totse is sex. Music, especially, is sex.

This is most likely where im spiritually inexperinced and lack comprehension ability, but what exactly do you mean by this? Surely we can agree upon that engaging in sexual intercourse is a diffrent action then listening to music. Please dont write me off as a troll, im geniuenly interrested.

This is most likely where im spiritually inexperinced and lack comprehension ability, but what exactly do you mean by this? Surely we can agree upon that engaging in sexual intercourse is a diffrent action then listening to music. Please dont write me off as a troll, im geniuenly interrested.

Of course I'm not going to write you off as a troll, only people who come out and blather nonsense and attack me personally I write off as trolls.

First you must understand that beyond an organism we are an intelligence, and as an intelligence we can comprehend three states of being: similar (left eye, left hand path, infinity encompassing everything), different (right eye, right hand path, infinity of the minutest proportion), and a balance between the two (third eye, middle path, moderation, razor's edge, path of the warrior, etc).

So you see, one can look at everything as being different from everything else. Every action you partake in could be completely and totally unrelated - or one could see them as being perhaps completely and totally equal in every manner. Only, however, does the middle path lead to true realization and enlightenment.

The two polar opposites of this universe are energy and awareness. Life is made of the mixing of these two substances, a constant spinning and turning that is symbolized (and realized) in the swastika. So while yes, you are completely right in that the act of physically inserting a penis into a vagina is radically different from kicking back and listening to some tunes, you are also completely wrong because there is absolutely no difference between the two.

Don't worry if yr confused, mull over what I've written and meditate on it.

Where are the priorities of the religious right in America? I can watch all sorts of violence, dead bodies on CSI , see caught on camera shows of real people burning alive, snapping bones, getting shot, stabbed, ran over, ejected from vehicles and attacked by wildlife, on TV all day long.

What I cannot see is a simple pair of tits on TV.

I loathe censorship and sexual oppression so it only stands to reason that I loathe the Christian church, their poster boy, and their God.

Fuckn this. Ones gotta ask him self if its really healthy to live in a sociaty who glorifies violence and the destruction of life as entertainment and the beauty in the creation and process involved in creation of life as something that has to be cencored. Christianity is a tool of oppression and little more.

Rizzo, gonna give that some thought for sure, but this sunset is awesome, and i will have to take it in while entoxicated :]

Abstinence was not original from Christianity. Even Jesus was supposed to have a girlfriend or something (I dont know much about that).

Whatever. It originated when the religion spread to Egypt, where the priests of Isis joined Christianity and added this to it. In case you dont know, the myth tells the story of one of Egyptian gods who killed Osiris, husband to Isis, because he wanted to have sex with her. Then at his death, Isis promised never to engage or have sex with anyone. So those who followed her cult could not fuck.

Now, into my own opinion, sex is something natural to animals and people. Fuck reproduction, the very -being deep in touch with and enjoying someone and that someone enjoying you (as said by a mod here on some thread I cant remember), is something natural and necessary. It lets you see and contemplate an awesome aspect of what I consider the true God, Life. It is something you like and makes you feel good, and youre not hurting anyone , unless its rape.

Abstinence is a sin, because it tries to keep you away from your true inner nature, and anything that goes against nature is a sin.

Abstinence was not original from Christianity. Even Jesus was supposed to have a girlfriend or something (I dont know much about that).

Whatever. It originated when the religion spread to Egypt, where the priests of Isis joined Christianity and added this to it. In case you dont know, the myth tells the story of one of Egyptian gods who killed Osiris, husband to Isis, because he wanted to have sex with her. Then at his death, Isis promised never to engage or have sex with anyone. So those who followed her cult could not fuck.

Now, into my own opinion, sex is something natural to animals and people. Fuck reproduction, the very -being deep in touch with and enjoying someone and that someone enjoying you (as said by a mod here on some thread I cant remember), is something natural and necessary. It lets you see and contemplate an awesome aspect of what I consider the true God, Life. It is something you like and makes you feel good, and youre not hurting anyone , unless its rape.

Abstinence is a sin, because it tries to keep you away from your true inner nature, and anything that goes against nature is a sin.

Two words: sexual magick

White magic, that is. Without orgasm.

Two words: sexual magick

White magic, that is. Without orgasm.

:eek:

Two words: sexual magick

White magic, that is. Without orgasm.

I'm guessing you read Aleister Crowley, who once wrote that all magick is sexual magick.

Sin is a word created by a man, used to control weak minded cowards into behaving a certain way.

I'm guessing you read Aleister Crowley, who once wrote that all magick is sexual magick.

No, Crowley is a black magician and a fallen bodhisattva

then again, so am I

but at least I'm somewhat honest about it

No, Crowley is a black magician and a fallen bodhisattva

then again, so am I

but at least I'm somewhat honest about it

Oh, you sounded like one of those Thelma people until you said this. What sort of "religion"do you most closely identify with, just out of curiosity.

Oh, you sounded like one of those Thelma people until you said this. What sort of "religion"do you most closely identify with, just out of curiosity.

I don't identify with any of them

they're all liars, every last one of them

that's why you can only trust yr own direct perception - and even then you only realize you have NO IDEA what the FUCK is going on

I'm part of the alien sex death cult illuminati sacred brother hood of the vibrational sound which is incredibly secret and the membership is unknown to all other members, though.