I was wondering if anybody here has ever had any issues with ordering glassware off of ebay? i.e. The cops/feds/DEA showing up to investigate after a couple of months?

I keep hearing this is this case on other forums, but it seems a little unlikely. Has it ever happened to any of you, or someone you know?

The reason I ask is because I just pieced together a 24/40 distillation kit from a couple of different vendors there. Although I don't plan on using it for anything illegal (really), just wondering if I should be expecting a visit in the next few months.

Buddy got bunch of glass from there along with h2so4, hno3, toluene, glycerine, hexamine, waterproof fuse, tubes, cheap rc toys, solar igniter etc. not too long after 9/11. Not a single visit/letter/phone call/message from LE. There are too many people, and the list II chemicals and sold without paperwork having to be signed to protect the vendor and cover you from dea.

As long you dont buy "1lb crystal iodine CHEAP" along with "10,000 Match boxes LOT GREAT DEAL" and have your name all over wallgreens sudafed-lovers list. Buddy bought somniferum pods and glassware and hadn't had problems, but he realizes that it was stupid.

Ya just gotta go with the right seller. Some are good, and some of them are fronts. If it's too good to be true, some crazy rare piece you've only heard of, and at a REASONABLE price, you run straight the fuck away.



Also, avoid vendors who sell equipment for industrial, or larger scale operations.


There is nothing illegal at all about home chemistry. It is a legitimate hobby, and sometimes a few people choose to use it for what ever other reasons, and you have that with anything. We should ban cars.

Thanks. Thats what I figured. One of the reasons I bought it was to introduce my nephew to chemistry. He's showed some interest. Any good sites where I could find some "cool to a 14 year old" things to show/teach him?

Thanks. Thats what I figured. One of the reasons I bought it was to introduce my nephew to chemistry. He's showed some interest. Any good sites where I could find some "cool to a 14 year old" things to show/teach him?
Right off hand this comes to mind: www.unitednuclear.com


They have some really neat stuff, especially if you are 14. Or hell, just a stoned nerd.

I bought a lot of my glassware there, not a problem......yet :(

American Science and Surplus has some of the least expensive kits and all kinds of misc. stuff all at give away prices. www.sciplus.com (http://www.sciplus.com). Perfect for nephew stuff. LOL



Just choose your cooking vessel carefully. Don't skimp on quality there or you will be sorry.

As far as e-bay goes, Many transactions and never a problem of any kind. When searching, say, glassware. Look for one that has an e-bay store to purchase from.

glass is not a precursor. quit being so flaky.

paranoia will destroy ya.

glass is not a precursor. quit being so flaky.

paranoia will destroy ya.

Right but certain types of glassware in the USA has been made illegal! Unbelievable, insane even but surprisingly true. I think 3-Necked flasks, separatory funnels etc are part of this weird ruling.


Actually, here's part of it:



Drug Enforcement Administration

-CITE-

21 USC Sec. 843 01/22/02

-EXPCITE-

TITLE 21 - FOOD AND DRUGS
CHAPTER 13 - DRUG ABUSE PREVENTION AND CONTROL
SUBCHAPTER I - CONTROL AND ENFORCEMENT
Part D - Offenses and Penalties

-HEAD-

Sec. 843. Prohibited acts C

-STATUTE-

(a) Unlawful acts
It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally -

(1) who is a registrant to distribute a controlled substance classified in schedule I or II, in the course of his legitimate business, except pursuant to an order or an order form as required by section 828 of this title;

(2) to use in the course of the manufacture, distribution, or dispensing of a controlled substance, or to use for the purpose of acquiring or obtaining a controlled substance, a registration number which is fictitious, revoked, suspended, expired, or issued to another person;

(3) to acquire or obtain possession of a controlled substance by misrepresentation, fraud, forgery, deception, or subterfuge;

(4)(A) to furnish false or fraudulent material information in, or omit any material information from, any application, report, record, or other document required to be made, kept, or filed under this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter, or (B) to present false or fraudulent identification where the person is receiving or purchasing a listed chemical and the person is required to present identification under section 830(a) of this title;

(5) to make, distribute, or possess any punch, die, plate, stone, or other thing designed to print, imprint, or reproduce the trademark, trade name, or other identifying mark, imprint, or device of another or any likeness of any of the foregoing upon any drug or container or labeling thereof so as to render such drug a counterfeit substance;

(6) to possess any three-neck round-bottom flask, tableting machine, encapsulating machine, or gelatin capsule, or any equipment, chemical, product, or material which may be used to manufacture a controlled substance or listed chemical, knowing, intending, or having reasonable cause to believe, that it will be used to manufacture a controlled substance or listed chemical in violation of this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter;

(7) to manufacture, distribute, export, or import any three-neck round-bottom flask, tableting machine, encapsulating machine, or gelatin capsule, or any equipment, chemical, product, or material which may be used to manufacture a controlled substance or listed chemical, knowing, intending, or having reasonable cause to believe, that it will be used to manufacture a controlled substance or listed chemical in violation of this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter or, in the case of an exportation, in violation of this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter or of the laws of the country to which it is exported;

(8) to create a chemical mixture for the purpose of evading a requirement of section 830 of this title or to receive a chemical mixture created for that purpose; or

(9) to distribute, import, or export a list I chemical without the registration required by this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter.

(b) Communication facility
It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally to use any communication facility in committing or in causing or facilitating the commission of any act or acts constituting a felony under any provision of this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter. Each separate use of a communication facility shall be a separate offense under this subsection. For purposes of this subsection, the term ''communication facility'' means any and all public and private instrumentalities used or useful in the transmission of writing, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds of all kinds and includes mail, telephone, wire, radio, and all other means of communication.

(c) Advertisement
It shall be unlawful for any person to place in any newspaper, magazine, handbill, or other publications, any written advertisement knowing that it has the purpose of seeking or offering illegally to receive, buy, or distribute a Schedule (FOOTNOTE 1) I controlled substance. As used in this section the term ''advertisement'' includes, in addition to its ordinary meaning, such advertisements as those for a catalog of Schedule (FOOTNOTE 1) I controlled substances and any similar written advertisement that has the purpose of seeking or offering illegally to receive, buy, or distribute a Schedule (FOOTNOTE 1) I controlled substance. The term ''advertisement'' does not include material which merely advocates the use of a similar material, which advocates a position or practice, and does not attempt to propose or facilitate an actual transaction in a Schedule (FOOTNOTE 1) I controlled substance.

(FOOTNOTE 1) So in original. Probably should not be capitalized.

(d) Penalties

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who violates this section shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not more than 4 years, a fine of not more than $30,000, or both; except that if any person commits such a violation after one or more prior convictions of him for violation of this section, or for a felony under any other provision of this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter or other law of the United States relating to narcotic drugs, marihuana, or depressant or stimulant substances, have become final, such person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not more than 8 years, a fine of not more than $60,000, or both.

(2) Any person who, with the intent to manufacture or to facilitate the manufacture of methamphetamine, violates paragraph (6) or (7) of subsection (a) of this section, shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not more than 10 years, a fine of not more than $30,000, or both; except that if any person commits such a violation after one or more prior convictions of that person -

(A) for a violation of paragraph (6) or (7) of subsection (a) of this section;

(B) for a felony under any other provision of this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter; or

(C) under any other law of the United States or any State relating to controlled substances or listed chemicals, has become final, such person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not more than 20 years, a fine of not more than $60,000, or both.

(e) Additional penalties
In addition to any other applicable penalty, any person convicted of a felony violation of this section relating to the receipt, distribution, manufacture, exportation, or importation of a listed chemical may be enjoined from engaging in any transaction involving a listed chemical for not more than ten years.

(f) Injunctions

(1) In addition to any penalty provided in this section, the Attorney General is authorized to commence a civil action for appropriate declaratory or injunctive relief relating to violations of this section or section 842 of this title.

(2) Any action under this subsection may be brought in the district court of the United States for the district in which the defendant is located or resides or is doing business.

(3) Any order or judgment issued by the court pursuant to this subsection shall be tailored to restrain violations of this section or section 842 of this title.

(4) The court shall proceed as soon as practicable to the hearing and determination of such an action. An action under this subsection is governed by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure except that, if an indictment has been returned against the respondent, discovery is governed by the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

-SOURCE-

(Pub. L. 91-513, title II, Sec. 403, Oct. 27, 1970, 84 Stat. 1263; Pub. L. 95-633, title II, Sec. 202(b)(3), Nov. 10, 1978, 92 Stat. 3776; Pub. L. 98-473, title II, Sec. 516, Oct. 12, 1984, 98 Stat. 2074; Pub. L. 99-570, title I, Sec. 1866(a), Oct. 27, 1986, 100 Stat. 3207-54; Pub. L. 100-690, title VI, Sec. 6057, Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4319; Pub. L. 103-200, Sec. 3(g), Dec. 17, 1993, 107 Stat. 2337; Pub. L. 103-322, title IX, Sec. 90106, Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 1988; Pub. L. 104-237, title II, Sec. 203(a), 206(b), Oct. 3, 1996, 110 Stat. 3102, 3103.)

-REFTEXT-

REFERENCES IN TEXT

Schedules I and II, referred to in subsecs. (a)(1) and (c), are set out in section 812(c) of this title.

The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, referred to in subsec. (f)(4), are set out in the Appendix to Title 28, Judiciary and Judicial Procedure.

The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, referred to in subsec. (f)(4), are set out in the Appendix to Title 18, Crimes and Criminal Procedure.

-MISC2-

AMENDMENTS

1996 - Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 104-237, Sec. 203(a), inserted par. (1) designation, substituted ''Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person'' for ''Any person'', and added par. (2).

Subsec. (e). Pub. L. 104-237, Sec. 206(b)(1), inserted ''manufacture, exportation,'' after ''distribution,'' and struck out ''regulated'' after ''engaging in any''.

Subsec. (f). Pub. L. 104-237, Sec. 206(b)(2), added subsec. (f).

1994 - Subsecs. (c) to (e). Pub. L. 103-322 added subsec. (c) and redesignated former subsecs. (c) and (d) as (d) and (e), respectively.

1993 - Subsec. (a)(6), (7). Pub. L. 103-200, Sec. 3(g)(1), amended pars. (6) and (7) generally. Prior to amendment, pars. (6) and (7) read as follows:

''(6) to possess any three-neck round-bottom flask, tableting machine, encapsulating machine, gelatin capsule, or equipment specially designed or modified to manufacture a controlled substance, with intent to manufacture a controlled substance except as authorized by this subchapter;

''(7) to manufacture, distribute, or import any three-neck round-bottom flask, tableting machine, encapsulating machine, gelatin capsule, or equipment specially designed or modified to manufacture a controlled substance, knowing that it will be used to manufacture a controlled substance except as authorized by this subchapter; or''.

Subsec. (a)(9). Pub. L. 103-200, Sec. 3(g)(2), (3), added par. (9).

1988 - Subsec. (a)(4)(B). Pub. L. 100-690, Sec. 6057(a)(1), substituted ''a listed chemical'' for ''piperidine''.

Subsec. (a)(6) to (8). Pub. L. 100-690, Sec. 6057(a)(2)-(4), added pars. (6) to (8).

Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 100-690, Sec. 6057(b), added subsec. (d).

1986 - Subsec. (a)(2). Pub. L. 99-570 substituted a semicolon for the period at end.

1984 - Subsec. (a)(2). Pub. L. 98-473 added applicability to dispensing, acquiring, or obtaining a controlled substance, and applicability to an expired number.



...could be part of that program, 'Strange but True'. It seems that each generation feels it isn't acting responsibly if it is not drawing up more and more laws. From a system of law that was general and fairly easy to understand we are now in a position where laws have become incredibly complex and harder and harder to comprehend. America has some frightening laws and some crazily long sentences.

9/11, for example, was used to (as such events always are used) bring in laws that would NEVER have been passed under normal circumstances and which basically give the government the power to do anything it likes. 'tis a scary era indeed...

^ I believe that in most places in us these laws are like jaywalking laws, or these fucked up town ordinances that noone enforces. Around me all that equipment is sold without a question, online or not.

BTW I got 5 ebay sellers/stores that ive dealt with for any glass/equipment are trustworthy, and had best prices compared to rest of the shit on there. If its not against forum rules ill post them up (only sources for chemicals are not allowed here right?)

looks to me like its only illegal to have those things if youre "a registrant to distribute a controlled substance classified in schedule I or II"
amiright?

22L heating mantles are also illegal, in aus at least, as of November 2007.

If its not against forum rules ill post them up (only sources for chemicals are not allowed here right?)

Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was ok to post the names of the ebay stores so I didn't. But it's the store with their name in flames, they are probably one of, if not the biggest, glassware store on the bay.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was ok to post the names of the ebay stores so I didn't. But it's the store with their name in flames, they are probably one of, if not the biggest, glassware store on the bay.



Yeah, that's how things are preferred. You did excellent actually. Never use the actual name of any source for anything, now, big brands like walmart etc, and ebay, yeah, no biggie, but specific info as in, a certain seller named straight out is never a good idea.


This forum is watched. Do not doubt that for a single second. Everything you say here is being read by some asshole SOMEWHERE who would love nothing better than to kick down your door, take your home, all your possessions, your freedom, your children, as well as that of anyone around you who even looks involved, as well as bust the source, get their customer lists, and then go kick down 1000 more doors, and ruin even more lives.

It can all be made possible by simply saying the wrong thing. KNO3.com anyone? That place was a source, sold pretty much anything anyone needed in any quantity to anywhere. It was actually such a good source that it looked fishy as hell, almost too good to be true. But what happened was, word got out. They got busted and charged, customer lists seized and every single name and address was watched and tracked and studied with a large percentage ending up in some type of contact from law enforcement, if only to say, we know what you did (for the smaller fry guys) with a shit ton of people going down.


Then again, that was more the sources fault, because of THEIR actions. They were too blatant, and too good, and they even advertised on here for a bit.

^ Yep, EVERYONE in the UK on the customer records (which were not meant to have been kept in the first place...) received a nice visit from The Serious Crimes Squad. However, nobody got charged as nobody was making meth in the UK, the official report states that they were all Pyrotechnic enthusiasts and that they hadn't realised that the hobby was as popular as it is.

Meth has never really caught on in England and as such until recently (last year basically) most people had never even heard of it, let alone tried or produced it! No, England has always been the land of Amphetamine sulphate which although not as intense, is more of a happier, sociable, talkative speed and effects of which are shorter in duration compared to meth,

Yeah, that's how things are preferred. You did excellent actually. Never use the actual name of any source for anything, now, big brands like walmart etc, and ebay, yeah, no biggie, but specific info as in, a certain seller named straight out is never a good idea.


This forum is watched. Do not doubt that for a single second. Everything you say here is being read by some asshole SOMEWHERE who would love nothing better than to kick down your door, take your home, all your possessions, your freedom, your children, as well as that of anyone around you who even looks involved, as well as bust the source, get their customer lists, and then go kick down 1000 more doors, and ruin even more lives.

It can all be made possible by simply saying the wrong thing. KNO3.com anyone? That place was a source, sold pretty much anything anyone needed in any quantity to anywhere. It was actually such a good source that it looked fishy as hell, almost too good to be true. But what happened was, word got out. They got busted and charged, customer lists seized and every single name and address was watched and tracked and studied with a large percentage ending up in some type of contact from law enforcement, if only to say, we know what you did (for the smaller fry guys) with a shit ton of people going down.


Then again, that was more the sources fault, because of THEIR actions. They were too blatant, and too good, and they even advertised on here for a bit.

Can they get the IP addresses of posters and raid their houses based on their posts?

Can they get the IP addresses of posters and raid their houses based on their posts?
Yes, and it has happened at least once that I know of. Someone named boriskbg or something made a post about setting off a pressure device in public, and it also made the news, to which he posted the link, and laughed, saying he would give them a cookie if they found him.


A week later he came back feeling fucking retarded, and with another news link, saying how he got busted, etc.

They just warned him and shit, and scared him, but it shows what is possible.

Yes, and it has happened at least once that I know of. Someone named boriskbg or something made a post about setting off a pressure device in public, and it also made the news, to which he posted the link, and laughed, saying he would give them a cookie if they found him.


A week later he came back feeling fucking retarded, and with another news link, saying how he got busted, etc.

They just warned him and shit, and scared him, but it shows what is possible.

I remember that. Do you think people posting about extracting drugs should be worried?

Do you think people posting about extracting drugs should be worried?

Is the pope Catholic? ;)

You should worry, always, but never let paranoia take you, got to be one step ahead of the game. Plan everything ahead, you never know!

Is the pope Catholic? ;)

You should worry, always, but never let paranoia take you, got to be one step ahead of the game. Plan everything ahead, you never know!
Yes. Exactly. You need to be careful, and watchful, and know everything that is going to happen far in advance, and KNOW what is going on around you at all times, but at the same time, you can't let paranoia rule you, or you will never do anything, or you will be so worried that you fuck something up, which could very well end up fatal with this kind of hobby.

Yes you will get a visit from the DEA in a few weeks and will get locked up. To avoid this, send it all to me.

Yes you will get a visit from the DEA in a few weeks and will get locked up. To avoid this, send it all to me.
And just what would YOU do with it? Who the fuck are you, and why are you following me around? Leave me alone. Just because I KNOW about these kinds of things, and talk about them, and learn about them does not mean I do them, so kindly leave me the fuck alone officer, you are wasting yours, and my time with your fucking charades.

And just what would YOU do with it? Who the fuck are you, and why are you following me around? Leave me alone. Just because I KNOW about these kinds of things, and talk about them, and learn about them does not mean I do them, so kindly leave me the fuck alone officer, you are wasting yours, and my time with your fucking charades.

Trolls :(