I am considering Odinism, but i have some questions.

All of the ones i've paid attention to are either politically correct faeries, preaching some christianized watered down version, who dress up in costumes, and speak out against other odinists who actually live as vikings did, or they are wierdo nordicists. you dont have to have blond hair and blue eyes for a large portion of your ancestors to have practiced the religion. are there any groups who dont fall into those catagories?

second, the 9 noble virtues, is this new? because Odin lied, murdered, broke deals, and "Odinism" makes it sound like the person does their best to become like Odin, so whats with this do-gooder crap with this 9 virtues deal? Odin wants to see us kill other people (wich is the reason it's like the only religion that makes any sense) with other religions, "god" allows us to do all of these things, yet "almighty" god doesn't want you to :rolleyes: God is obviously ok with the world being violent, and "cruel". the 9 virtues would be ok, as long as it was clear they only applied to other Odinists.

EDIT: also i read alot of members of biker gangs are odinists, would i be better off joining one of them than trying to find a kindred that actually seemed to follow what I see as true odinism?

I am considering Odinism, but i have some questions.

All of the ones i've paid attention to are either politically correct faeries, preaching some christianized watered down version, who dress up in costumes, and speak out against other odinists who actually live as vikings did, or they are wierdo nordicists. you dont have to have blond hair and blue eyes for a large portion of your ancestors to have practiced the religion. are there any groups who dont fall into those catagories?

Hail. One thing you have to remember is that each Odinist has different opinions on things, even within kindreds, hearths and groups. As Odinists, we can't have a 'racial hatred' type front. Because that's not what we're about. Its about love for our own people, our own race, not hatred for another, which is why you may think that the groups you have seen are 'politically correct'


second, the 9 noble virtues, is this new? because Odin lied, murdered, broke deals, and "Odinism" makes it sound like the person does their best to become like Odin, so whats with this do-gooder crap with this 9 virtues deal? Odin wants to see us kill other people (wich is the reason it's like the only religion that makes any sense) with other religions, "god" allows us to do all of these things, yet "almighty" god doesn't want you to :rolleyes: God is obviously ok with the world being violent, and "cruel". the 9 virtues would be ok, as long as it was clear they only applied to other Odinists.

The Nine Noble Virtues aren't new, they're values taken out of the Havamal (which I'm guessing you haven't read). The stories you have read where Odin lies, breaks deals etc. are stories written by Christians. Can you see why they make our pantheon sound so bad. They make Thor seem stupid, Freyja seem like a slut and make Odin seem deceitful, which of course isn't the case; it's just Christians trying to step on our gods. There is no 'do-gooder' crap. We try to improve ourselves, and help improve our community and help our folk. What makes you think Odin wants us to kill people? And if thats why you think you're going to pick this religion, then please don't. It's not what we're about. We're about faith, folk and family. Sure being brave is a part of it, fighting your enemies is a part of it (verbally or physically. I prefer physically).

As for you choosing Odinism as your faith... no. Just no. You're sadly mislead.

I've always seen the figure of Odin/Woden/Wotan/etc as being beyond morality. Virtues aren't really moral guidelines, but strengths one pulls upon to live successfully. Whenever you see Odin lie/cheat/steal it's always for a higher purpose, the pursuit of knowledge. He gave the ultimate sacrifice for knowledge by hanging himself on the world tree, wounded by his own spear. He was also a wine god of poetry and ecstatic madness. At the same time he assumed the role of the sky god in the Germanic pantheon, superseding Tyr who remains as a deity primarily of justice and also sacrifice. Odin's trickster qualities really shed light on his shamanic origin, and he is in a class of sacrificial deities (compare to Dionysus/Bacchus and others) which made his followers primed to accept the cult of Christ.

As for Odinism, if I were you, I'd learn from this deity the importance of knowledge and how understanding of the universe is the ultimate goal for a conscious being. If you can find a group of like-minded people who wish to live in virtue and seek knowledge, by all means get involved. But there's a lot of multicultural new age hippies out there masquerading as pagans. There's also a lot of moronic binary racists who distort the traditions. Basically two extreme's are represented but I'd say a more sane approach is found in some Asatru organizations.

Personally I don't follow any religion per say, I look at existence from a philosophical and scientific viewpoint and have found that my understanding of this world coincides with ancient Indo-European spirituality. The knowledge found in the Vedas, the Avesta, the Vedanta, the Eddas, the Sagas, and so on show a greater understanding of the cosmos than any of the major modern religions which are based in denying reality with the use of dogma and absolute moralism. Their theism is not as anthropomorphic as you'd think despite having a pantheon of human-like gods. These gods are metaphorical for the forces of nature and are part of a transcendent yet immanent reality.

Them being pc goes way beyond not screaming about how much they hate blacks. There are people who claim to be Odinists, for example, on youtube, some video was posted, and the guy said any comments about The Order would be deleted, and how against "racism" he was.

The Order did what real vikings would do if they were introduced to the modern world, but some pussy like that is going to say that he's a real odinist and people like that give him a bad name. When really, if it wern't for people like that, or the bikers, I wouldn't take it seriously at all.

Violence is something that will always be a part of the world, so to say it's "wrong" is falling into that same contradiction that christianity, and most everything else does. A group of men with no enemies would have nothing to do. We all have instinct driving us to want to struggle, and fight (wich god gave us).

And zik, I kind of agree with you about what god, or the gods are. I look at them as forces that have always been, and always will be.

I understand, having to keep up appearences for the sake of the ADL not calling you a hate group, but there is absolutely no excuse for speaking out against people like that. I'm not looking to hang around, and discuss how much I hate people, but I dont want to get involved with any of these dickheads like on youtube either.