There has been a Genocide going on there for the last 5 years. Systematic rape, torture and murder. The ICC released an indictment of President Bashir but it doesn't look as if troops will be going in to arrest him any time soon.

Why does nobody care? This situation is absolutely deplorable and the weak show of U.N. 'peacekeepers' do not have a mandate that will allow them to get involved in stopping the violence to the extent that it is needed.

People don't even pay attention to this but everybody knows it's happening and it's absolutely awful.

Thoughts?

There has been a Genocide going on there for the last 5 years. Systematic rape, torture and murder. The ICC released an indictment of President Bashir but it doesn't look as if troops will be going in to arrest him any time soon.

Why does nobody care? This situation is absolutely deplorable and the weak show of U.N. 'peacekeepers' do not have a mandate that will allow them to get involved in stopping the violence to the extent that it is needed.

People don't even pay attention to this but everybody knows it's happening and it's absolutely awful.

Thoughts?

Because they're niggers???

lol.

Because its the fucking international community. they talk and talk, but when action is needed, they don't do shit

It's because the United States is currently tied down in the Middle East, as is Canada, and no other country has the guts to go in and do anything....they're all waiting on the "UN" to do something. :rolleyes:

Why do we as people not do anything though? Are we powerless? I like to think that if I saw a woman being raped in an alley as I walked by I would try and do something to help - but in the international community this doesn't happen. We KNOW this horrible, god-awful stuff is happening in Darfur but it obviously isn't important to anybody.

Even I don't go out of my way to do anything about it. Really we should all be protesting to try and get action in this situation immediately...but I don't think we will...

What does this say about us as humans...

They are not children, we have little interest in their territory and they seem to be doing just fine at the moment.

They are not children, we have little interest in their territory and they seem to be doing just fine at the moment.

So it doesn't bother you that it's happening at all? You feel no empathy towards these people? Just because it's not a strategic benefit for us to help them we shouldn't help them?

Why don't people have faith in the UN? They'll get a handle on this by at least 2033. It's a process, let the process work...

Please explain to me why this is awful or why should I care?

I'm not racist or anything I'm just apathetic towards the human condition...So feel free to enlighten me as to why I should care that people are dying prematurely? Honestly, why delay the inevitable if all you're going to have is a terrible life of suffering.

And besides, if you want to end suffering why don't you just kill all of them, there's no suffering in death.

Please explain to me why this is awful or why should I care?

I'm not racist or anything I'm just apathetic towards the human condition...So feel free to enlighten me as to why I should care that people are dying prematurely? Honestly, why delay the inevitable if all you're going to have is a terrible life of suffering.

And besides, if you want to end suffering why don't you just kill all of them, there's no suffering in death.

Man, that was deep...

Please explain to me why this is awful or why should I care?

I'm not racist or anything I'm just apathetic towards the human condition...So feel free to enlighten me as to why I should care that people are dying prematurely? Honestly, why delay the inevitable if all you're going to have is a terrible life of suffering.

And besides, if you want to end suffering why don't you just kill all of them, there's no suffering in death.

So I presume your one of those angst filled anti-human humanists.

If you are legitimately the type of person who would not care if you saw a woman or child being beaten down in the street or raped than I guess your just a terrible person. I don't want to have a philosophical argument about the human condition - I think everybody knows that when other people get tortured or raped or beaten to death it isn't a GOOD thing.

You should care because even if you live in a shithole inner city public housing project and deal with gangs and crime daily - there are still millions of people who would pray every night and day to switch places with you. Stop trying to be so aloof you fuck - this is happening to people while we are discussing it here on the internet

So it doesn't bother you that it's happening at all? You feel no empathy towards these people? Just because it's not a strategic benefit for us to help them we shouldn't help them?

I could not have said it any better, excepting for empathy.

There are other people in Sudan like in the South where there is also genocide. The US does not have any interest in the region and if it did involve itself it would be highly unmotivated to do anything. Sure the violence is bad but I am almost certain there is a reason for it and I am nearly certain what this reason is.

The US cannot play altruistic cop because that would be like playing judge, jurry and executioner where no case has been made.

We, as a nation, don't see anything productive that could come from that country.

It has No Education.

What can people with no education offer us, as a society? They would simply be laborers and we already have a lot of those.

The National Interest is never to help... but to attempt to improve power or profit towards the nation.

We don't give a fuck because we either don't want higher taxes to pay for a country that will have to have a completely new Educational System implemented or because we have seen some of the same things happen to people within our own boarders and think these incidents have a higher precedent.

The United Stats owns the UN and as of right now we're using it to advance our Society and Culture within the Middle East.

The only way to rile up the people of not just our nation... but many other ones... would involve making this war affect their lives directly. It doesn't and most likely never will.

Although the above is the majority truth... Who knows, maybe one of us will be in a seat of high power in ten years. Then you'll be above the majority and be able to do what is right.

Blackwater is willing to go in and supplement U.N. peacekeepers with security contractors, guarding convoys and refugee camps and whatnot, if not go in and smoke the Janjaweed themselves. Someone just has to foot the bill.

Rwanda anyone?

The United Stats owns the UN and as of right now we're using it to advance our Society and Culture within the Middle East.


Then explain why we weren't able to level sanctions on Zimbabwe due to China and Russia.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-07-15-voa55.cfm

Then explain why we weren't able to level sanctions on Zimbabwe due to China and Russia.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-07-15-voa55.cfm

Lulz, I was gonna bring them up....

The United Stats owns the UN and as of right now we're using it to advance our Society and Culture within the Middle East.\

Then why didn't they come with us to the middle east? Oh yeah because the UN is an bi-cultural governing body independent of any single dominating country (i.e. US)...

We can't do anything because Sudan's Arab government officials have China's support. Sudan had to tons of oil, but lacked the infrastructure to extract it. So China built the infrastructure, and this move proved beneficial to both nations. China gets cheap oil and Sudan basically gets a UN Security Council vote because China wants to protects its interests.
Still, even though there hasn't been military intervention by the West, millions of dollars are donated to those people so I don't think its fair to say NOTHING is being done.

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Then why didn't they come with us to the middle east? Oh yeah because the UN is an bi-cultural governing body independent of any single dominating country (i.e. US)...

When I said "owns the UN" I meant in the fact that we're above it. It's kind of ironic how a coalition of nations that have all come together can't stop the Big Bad U.S. from doing whatever the fuck our President wants.

You would think that after we pulled from the U.N. to invade Iraq that some repercussions would have happened.

Maybe support for Darfur is heavier in other countries but I think the only way we could ever change anything there would be to raise support in the U.S. That's not going to happen anytime soon because, again, we are still trying to advance our society in the Middle East.

Now, when the U.N. takes some real action in what's "Right" and not just due to the interests of the few we can talk about how they actually matter. In the mean time it seems that the United States has the power to do what they want with or without anyone's support. I'm not saying that our decision are good because I, myself, don't support the war but I'm sure the U.N. could take some leadership examples from us and our actions.

Rwanda anyone?

I'll have two, please.

When I said "owns the UN" I meant in the fact that we're above it. It's kind of ironic how a coalition of nations that have all come together can't stop the Big Bad U.S. from doing whatever the fuck our President wants.

You would think that after we pulled from the U.N. to invade Iraq that some repercussions would have happened.

Maybe support for Darfur is heavier in other countries but I think the only way we could ever change anything there would be to raise support in the U.S. That's not going to happen anytime soon because, again, we are still trying to advance our society in the Middle East.

Now, when the U.N. takes some real action in what's "Right" and not just due to the interests of the few we can talk about how they actually matter. In the mean time it seems that the United States has the power to do what they want with or without anyone's support. I'm not saying that our decision are good because I, myself, don't support the war but I'm sure the U.N. could take some leadership examples from us and our actions.


Probably because we made some sort of compromise with the world powers allowing us to invade Iraq...Such as feel free to jack the price of oil up (b.c. Bush was arrogant enough to think Iraq would supply us with enough) but trust me, there is no way we just invaded Iraq with no problem, we had to have bought off other countries to be allowed to do this, this fucks up the balance of power so we must have cut some kind of deal...you cant just invade a country and except no repercussions from the world without some kind deal in the background.

Probably because we made some sort of compromise with the world powers allowing us to invade Iraq...Such as feel free to jack the price of oil up (b.c. Bush was arrogant enough to think Iraq would supply us with enough) but trust me, there is no way we just invaded Iraq with no problem, we had to have bought off other countries to be allowed to do this, this fucks up the balance of power so we must have cut some kind of deal...you cant just invade a country and except no repercussions from the world without some kind deal in the background.

You can when you're the most powerful country in the world - what is the U.N. going to do, send troops into America? The only thing that any other countries could do is to impose sanctions on the U.S. which would damage themselves economically.

The results of the war and the U.N. inaction is not so tangible as the U.N. committing sanctions or legal ramifications to the United States, but actually quite illusory. Now that you guys have ruined your reputation on the world stage and sacrificed your reputation as the 'home of the free' in order to become warmongering, islamophobic, torturers who flout both international and domestic law daily (*see Guananamo) how many countries in the world do you think are going to come to your aid if something really big happens? No, I think we've seen the end of the American century - as your economy dwindles and more of your jobs are lost to outsourcing your nation will become stagnant as competition from India and China raises higher and higher.

Apparently now Russia and China are both more popular in the world than the U.S. is.

Come in guys - it's easy to see you aren't heading in the right direction, vote Obama for the love of God.

^^^ the US has never really been popular ever and obama wont fix any thing he will just make it worse.

but to answer the the main question the phrase 'out of sight out of mind ' comes to mind

^^^ the US has never really been popular ever and obama wont fix any thing he will just make it worse.

Gee nice post, except actual facts show you to be rather wrong.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/04/01/a-small-improvement-in-us-popularity-abroad.html

Gee nice post, except actual facts show you to be rather wrong.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/04/01/a-small-improvement-in-us-popularity-abroad.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16friedman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Except for this...he may be decrying the fact that China and Russia are now more 'popular' than the U.S., but the fact still remains...Does it not bother you that most of the world now see's you guys as 'the enemy'...kind of like you guys saw Russia in the cold war?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16friedman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Except for this...he may be decrying the fact that China and Russia are now more 'popular' than the U.S., but the fact still remains...Does it not bother you that most of the world now see's you guys as 'the enemy'...kind of like you guys saw Russia in the cold war?

There's quite a difference between a country being unpopular and a country being seen as 'the enemy'. The European states that supposedly 'hate us' still allow us military bases there. Not to mention the whole thing is a phenomenon of the Bush administration. I'd expect it to be rebound within a few years of an Obama or even a McCain administration.

And show me the data that shows Russia and China are more popular than the US around the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16friedman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Except for this...he may be decrying the fact that China and Russia are now more 'popular' than the U.S., but the fact still remains...Does it not bother you that most of the world now see's you guys as 'the enemy'...kind of like you guys saw Russia in the cold war?

that was what i was getting at

that was what i was getting at

The article says nothing about your claims that "the US has never really been popular ever and obama wont fix any thing he will just make it worse."

Stop talking out of your rear.

i never referred to any article but facts are facts the us is one of if not the most hated countries of all time

i never referred to any article but facts are facts the us is one of if not the most hated countries of all time

You never provided any facts retard.

You never provided any facts retard.

I provided an article by the Nytimes that makes mention of recent polls showing the unpopularity of the United States in the world today. Presumably the Nytimes checks to make sure it's columnists don't just go around making things up, so I'm inclined to believe them. What other country worldwide is more politically intrusive than the states? Russia? I'd say you guys even take the cake from Putin when it comes to meddling in others affairs...

But because I don't feel like going and doing a bunch of research to render your shitty point/argument (that the U.S. is actually loved by all) moot, I'm going to stand by the Freidman article. How about YOU prove w/ stats and stuff that the U.S. is actually one of the more popular states in the world?

Just look at totse - in a recent post by one of our Brit cousins they lamented the fact that their country was becoming 'a shit-hole like the states'. Canadians, although pro-U.S., also mostly feel that the way the states has been governed in the last 20 years or so has left much to be desired...especially your actions in Latin America and the Middle East.

I provided an article by the Nytimes that makes mention of recent polls showing the unpopularity of the United States in the world today. Presumably the Nytimes checks to make sure it's columnists don't just go around making things up, so I'm inclined to believe them. What other country worldwide is more politically intrusive than the states? Russia? I'd say you guys even take the cake from Putin when it comes to meddling in others affairs...

But because I don't feel like going and doing a bunch of research to render your shitty point/argument (that the U.S. is actually loved by all) moot, I'm going to stand by the Freidman article. How about YOU prove w/ stats and stuff that the U.S. is actually one of the more popular states in the world?

Just look at totse - in a recent post by one of our Brit cousins they lamented the fact that their country was becoming 'a shit-hole like the states'. Canadians, although pro-U.S., also mostly feel that the way the states has been governed in the last 20 years or so has left much to be desired...especially your actions in Latin America and the Middle East.

Last 20 years?

Can you point some things out that other Administrations did besides Bush's?

I'm pretty sure that Clinton did a fair job.

Sure every administration is going to cause some raucous in the world but the majority of the world favored a lot of our past administrative choices.

Facts please-

This is a time for the African Union to come together and shine: prove that they're ready to combat the problems which exist on the continent and become a real competitor on the global stage.

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I provided an article by the Nytimes that makes mention of recent polls showing the unpopularity of the United States in the world today. Presumably the Nytimes checks to make sure it's columnists don't just go around making things up, so I'm inclined to believe them. What other country worldwide is more politically intrusive than the states? Russia? I'd say you guys even take the cake from Putin when it comes to meddling in others affairs...

But because I don't feel like going and doing a bunch of research to render your shitty point/argument (that the U.S. is actually loved by all) moot, I'm going to stand by the Freidman article. How about YOU prove w/ stats and stuff that the U.S. is actually one of the more popular states in the world?

Just look at totse - in a recent post by one of our Brit cousins they lamented the fact that their country was becoming 'a shit-hole like the states'. Canadians, although pro-U.S., also mostly feel that the way the states has been governed in the last 20 years or so has left much to be desired...especially your actions in Latin America and the Middle East.

Who are you and why would you reply to a comment left for KRS 93?

I never stated the US is popular either...

There has been a Genocide going on there for the last 5 years. Systematic rape, torture and murder. The ICC released an indictment of President Bashir but it doesn't look as if troops will be going in to arrest him any time soon.

Why does nobody care? This situation is absolutely deplorable and the weak show of U.N. 'peacekeepers' do not have a mandate that will allow them to get involved in stopping the violence to the extent that it is needed.

People don't even pay attention to this but everybody knows it's happening and it's absolutely awful.

Thoughts?

My question is why you care about Darfur? Why not Iraq where there still finding mass graves from Saddam. And this maybe a hunch but i guess your a Che fan. well he killed thousands of innocents that simply aposed his cause but didn't take up arms. You care about Darfur because an actor told you to.

So I presume your one of those angst filled anti-human humanists.

If you are legitimately the type of person who would not care if you saw a woman or child being beaten down in the street or raped than I guess your just a terrible person. I don't want to have a philosophical argument about the human condition - I think everybody knows that when other people get tortured or raped or beaten to death it isn't a GOOD thing.

You should care because even if you live in a shithole inner city public housing project and deal with gangs and crime daily - there are still millions of people who would pray every night and day to switch places with you. Stop trying to be so aloof you fuck - this is happening to people while we are discussing it here on the internet

First off, its you're*, not your.

Second, stop being politically correct. No one gives a fuck that you're trying to make yourself look better than other people by being "concerned" for humans.

And NO, don't give me that religious bullshit. Religion is wrong, and is based off of faith. You can't know for sure if there is a heaven, so don't tell me "God made us loving creatures" or any of that crap.

Now, evolutionary one does not care about other ones, just him/herself. You should be concerned with only how you are living. It is natural selection that this is happening. Stop interfering with that stuff. Its not going to change, unless someone goes in with guns to their heads which is way out of context by now.

Jesus fucking Christ, everything you say is an opinion: "You are not a good human than..."-- no one gives a flying fuck. That's an opinion. I could see a murderer as a good guy. Its all viewpoint, and in the end pointless.

First off, its you're*, not your.

Second, stop being politically correct. No one gives a fuck that you're trying to make yourself look better than other people by being "concerned" for humans.

And NO, don't give me that religious bullshit. Religion is wrong, and is based off of faith. You can't know for sure if there is a heaven, so don't tell me "God made us loving creatures" or any of that crap.

Now, evolutionary one does not care about other ones, just him/herself. You should be concerned with only how you are living. It is natural selection that this is happening. Stop interfering with that stuff. Its not going to change, unless someone goes in with guns to their heads which is way out of context by now.

Jesus fucking Christ, everything you say is an opinion: "You are not a good human than..."-- no one gives a flying fuck. That's an opinion. I could see a murderer as a good guy. Its all viewpoint, and in the end pointless.

#1 I didn't give a religious explanation - I'm not religious.

#2. So you ARE saying that in a hypothetical situation if you came across a woman being raped in an alley you would do nothing? You would say 'it doesn't have anything to do with me' and walk away? What if somebody murdered your brother/sister/mother/father? Should they not face repercussions because above all each person should care only about their own welfare?

And to stealthyraccoons - I do care about Iraq. I'm not a 'Che fan' because I haven't read enough about that whole thing to decide one way or another. I was also against the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.

At least I'm doing something you ignorant fucks. Next spring I will be heading to Africa with 'Medicins sans frontieres' - all of you who seem to be criticizing me for caring about this issue; you fucking disgust me.

Lord in heaven (lol religion), the amount of posters on this board who think they're being some kind of edgy rebel by going on rants about how terrible religion is, never fails to amaze me. I realized religion was bullshit by 6th grade. Unless you've been brainwashed by some hardcore orthodox sect, it ain't the hardest thing to realize.

So spare me the useless redundant bullshit and post something slightly original.

#1 I didn't give a religious explanation - I'm not religious.
You sound like a religious fanatic with the carrot up your moral asshole.

#2. So you ARE saying that in a hypothetical situation if you came across a woman being raped in an alley you would do nothing?
Depends on if my action would benefit me.
You would say 'it doesn't have anything to do with me' and walk away?
Most people would. In fact, it would put me in fire of whoever is doing that. This would result in my life being at risk over someone else? No buddy, evolution designed me to reproduce. Its just evolution.

What if somebody murdered your brother/sister/mother/father? Should they not face repercussions because above all each person should care only about their own welfare?
Blood line is a different story. Don't dance around the bush with this bullshit. You know full well what you're doing.
You are spinning this debate in circles so fast; you'll get sick and vomit.

At least I'm doing something you ignorant fucks. Next spring I will be heading to Africa with 'Medicins sans frontieres' - all of you who seem to be criticizing me for caring about this issue; you fucking disgust me.
Good job, I hope that makes your God look so much better upon you.
Go help clean society's asshole. It needs some refreshing latex-whitening.

Lord in heaven (lol religion), the amount of posters on this board who think they're being some kind of edgy rebel by going on rants about how terrible religion is, never fails to amaze me. I realized religion was bullshit by 6th grade. Unless you've been brainwashed by some hardcore orthodox sect, it ain't the hardest thing to realize.

So spare me the useless redundant bullshit and post something slightly original.

In the news, they are putting together a bible that is from 400 AD. You can read it online.
Guess what? 5 MILLION hits to that website in 24 hours. Thats probably ten times as many individual people will ever visit totse.com ever.
Obviously it's still a plague, we have a fucking board for it :rolleyes:

In the news, they are putting together a bible that is from 400 AD. You can read it online.
Guess what? 5 MILLION hits to that website in 24 hours. Thats probably ten times as many individual people will ever visit totse.com ever.
Obviously it's still a plague, we have a fucking board for it :rolleyes:

Listen. I don't know if your peanut-sized brain can understand this, but the issue here isn't how awful religion is but you saying shit everyone here has heard and thought before thousands of times in some pathetic attempt to compensate for your own lack of original thinking. Now STFU, retard.

You sound like a religious fanatic with the carrot up your moral asshole.


Depends on if my action would benefit me.

Most people would. In fact, it would put me in fire of whoever is doing that. This would result in my life being at risk over someone else? No buddy, evolution designed me to reproduce. Its just evolution.


Blood line is a different story. Don't dance around the bush with this bullshit. You know full well what you're doing.
You are spinning this debate in circles so fast; you'll get sick and vomit.


Good job, I hope that makes your God look so much better upon you.
Go help clean society's asshole. It needs some refreshing latex-whitening.



In the news, they are putting together a bible that is from 400 AD. You can read it online.
Guess what? 5 MILLION hits to that website in 24 hours. Thats probably ten times as many individual people will ever visit totse.com ever.
Obviously it's still a plague, we have a fucking board for it :rolleyes:

Ohhhh I see..you're severely mentally and physically handicapped...Sorry for trying to bring an actual issue to your attention. Here's something to focus your brain on - what has more corners, a square or a circle?!?!?

And how is blood line a different story? If we are each evolutionary programmed to look our for only ourselves than bloodline should not matter? Oh sorry, I forgot that you're an uneducated high school malcontent...GWY and GTFO my &t

Listen. I don't know if your peanut-sized brain can understand this, but the issue here isn't how awful religion is but you saying shit everyone here has heard and thought before thousands of times in some pathetic attempt to compensate for your own lack of original thinking. Now STFU, retard.

You missed the point completely. Again. Its like you don't know how to read. Stupid acolyte... :rolleyes:

Go back and read it, you (like the rest) can't comprehend jack. Before you make a larger fool of yourself, at least know what you're talking about.

Ohhhh I see..you're severely mentally and physically handicapped...
Yes you're right, I cannot type on a keyboard and not cohere a sentence. I guess thats point one for you and zero points for me right there.

Sorry for trying to bring an actual issue to your attention.
Please point out where I said it was not an issue.

Here's something to focus your brain on - what has more corners, a square or a circle?!?!?
Which dimension are we talking about Heisenberg?

And how is blood line a different story?
You know full well, don't piss around on this. We've been over it countless times. If you want to draw circles, go ahead.

If we are each evolutionary programmed to look our for only ourselves than bloodline should not matter?
Because if you actually KNEW anything about biology, they have the same genetics as you do, meaning if they produce more, your gene line gets passed on. Are you even in university?

Oh sorry, I forgot that you're an uneducated high school malcontent...GWY and GTFO my &t
I've completed a bachelor of honors in biology and I'm working on my Masters. In a few years I'll have my Ph. D. Get your facts straight, you twit.

Well nightside what if the woman you would refuse to help was pregnant with twins? Then wouldn't it benefit humanity to help her? Also, if you study biology than you must know that altruistic behavior has been ingrained in humanity through evolution over thousands of years... Good luck on your pipe dream of a PhD when you obviously have such a base and ignorant view of your field of study...

Well nightside what if the woman you would refuse to help was pregnant with twins? Then wouldn't it benefit humanity to help her? Also, if you study biology than you must know that altruistic behavior has been ingrained in humanity through evolution over thousands of years... Good luck on your pipe dream of a PhD when you obviously have such a base and ignorant view of your field of study...

Wow, you really don't enjoy reading my posts do you? I've answered that question multiple times already. If you're going to be some moron who doesn't read the other persons argument because you find it significantly more satisfying living in your world with such a clear crystal view that I'd shatter in a moment, than be my guest.

So, what degree are you taking?
Its obviously not biology because if you ACTUALLY knew about Altruistic behavior, you'd know that what you said was actually false.
Judging by the way you said evolution occurred over thousands of years, I guess you really don't know anything much about biology at all.

Thanks for the best wishes :)
I'll be there to burn it on your grave. Leave science for the scientists, peon... and go back to your pointless philosophy.
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Wow, you really don't enjoy reading my posts do you? I've answered that question multiple times already. If you're going to be some moron who doesn't read the other persons argument because you find it significantly more satisfying living in your world with such a clear crystal view that I'd shatter in a moment, than be my guest.

So, what degree are you taking?
Its obviously not biology because if you ACTUALLY knew about Altruistic behavior, you'd know that what you said was actually false.
Judging by the way you said evolution occurred over thousands of years, I guess you really don't know anything much about biology at all.

Thanks for the best wishes :)
I'll be there to burn it on your grave. Leave science for the scientists, peon... and go back to your pointless philosophy.
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Alright you know what, fuck it. I concede that you know more about biology than me. When I begin working on Bay st./Wall st. in 2 years starting at about 120 000 dollars a year it won't matter. I'm taking a degree in commerce and politics (double major) from a well respected Canadian university. Have fun being a science faggot while I strut around in thousand dollar suits you fuck. I'm going to make more than you, your parents, and your children. Maybe biologically speaking you should kill yourself for being such a massive failure... In any case, fuck you. That is all.

Alright you know what, fuck it. I concede that you know more about biology than me. When I begin working on Bay st./Wall st. in 2 years starting at about 120 000 dollars a year it won't matter. I'm taking a degree in commerce and politics (double major) from a well respected Canadian university. Have fun being a science faggot while I strut around in thousand dollar suits you fuck. I'm going to make more than you, your parents, and your children. Maybe biologically speaking you should kill yourself for being such a massive failure... In any case, fuck you. That is all.

Who cares if you make more money than me? I mean, all you're going to do is waste it. I'll be doing much more important things, hopefully finding cures to things that will actually help people;
Rather than launder other peoples money on Bay Street.

A business degree is nothing compared to a science degree. Only the best minds can do science, anyone can do business. Enjoy that pseduo-dream there with your mega aspirations.
I'll be looking back from the finish line at you...

Rwanda anyone?

This.

Its funny how we say we've learned from history. However there is a "Rwanda" happening right now in Darfur. It has been almost 4 years since in 2004, President Bush and the United States government, declared that what was happening in Darfur, was a genocide. It took years for the criminal court to build a case on some of Sudans leaders.
If the troops in Sudan are not willing to make the arrest's then the time for action is now.

If you havent seen it, check out Darfur Now.

Sorry to participate in this thread derailment, but...

Nightside, have you read /The Mating Mind/?

If so, what leads you to reject Miller's evolutionary development of altruism?

Just because it's not a strategic benefit for us to help them we shouldn't help them?

This is the reason the US will never help people in a situation like that. We don't fight wars to help people.