I keep making references to these stages, and decided it is high time I bit the bullet and got down to explaining just what the heck I'm talking about.

In Deepak Chopra's awesome book, "How to Know God -- The Soul's Journey into the Mystery of Mysteries," he describes seven stages of spiritual consciousness. (This ties into the books main thesis, that the brain is hardwired to know God. The human nervous system has seven bio0ogical responses that correspond to seven levels of divine experience. They are not shaped by any specific religion--the book is pretty much totally dogma-free--but by the brain's meed to take an infinite, chaotic universe and find menaing in it. In the process, he discusses religious awakening, ecstacy, genius, telepathy, multiple personalities, past lives, clairvoyance--all parts of the "miond field" that quantum physics discovered almost a hundred years ago. This invisible place, although it appears to be an empty void, is actually the womb of creation. Here God is our co-creator in the constant process of self-creation that is life itself. Whew.)

Please note that these stages are not the same as the well-known stages of brasin wave activity--beta, alpha, theta, delta.

Stage One--Fight or flight. God is the protector, and is vengeful, capricious, quick to anger, jealous, judgemental, unfathomable, sometimes merciful. We live in a world of bare survival, we fit in by coping, and we find God through fear and loving devotion.

Stage Two--The reactive response. God is almighty, and is sovereign, omnipotent, just, answerer of prayers, impartial, rational, organized into rules. We live in a world of ambition and competition, fit in by winning, and find God through awe and obedience.

Stage Three--The Restful Awareness response. God is one of peace, and is detached, calm, offering consolation, undemanding, conciliatory, silent and meditative. Our world is one of inner solitude and self-sufficiency and. We fit in by staying centered, and find God through meditation and silent contemplation.

Stage Four--The Intuitive Response. God as the redeemer is understanding, tolerant, forgiving, nonjudgemental, inclusive, and accepting. We live in a world of insight and personal growth, fit in by understanding, and find God through self-acceptance.

Stage Five--Creative response. God the creator is characterized by unlimited creative potential, control over space and time, abundant, open, generous, willing to be known, and inspired. We live in a world of art, creation, and discovery, and invention, fit in by intending, and find God through inspiration.

Stage Six--Visionary response, God is one of miracles, and is transformative, mystical, beyond all causes, existing, healing, magical. We live in a world of prophets, sages, and seers, fit in by loving and find God through grace.

Stage Seven--Sacred response--God of Pure Being -- "I Am." This God is unborn, undying, unchanging, unmoving, unmanifest, immeasurable, invisible, intangible, infinite. We live in a transcendent world, fit in by being ("I am"), and find God by transcending.

These stages work in order--I personally cannot really imagine skipping any of them, although it is possible to jump around once one has attained stage seven. . None is better or worse than any other--they all "work" accodring to where we are at the time. Chopra says at one point that it is far more spiritual to honestly be in stage one, haunted by fear and driven by guilt, than it is to pretend to be saintly.

... he discusses religious awakening, ecstacy, genius, telepathy, multiple personalities, past lives, clairvoyance ...

Interesting.

In your opinion, how do these seven stages relate to Leary's 8-Circuit Model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-Circuit_Model_of_Consciousness)?

You responded before the post was done--not that there's anything wrong with that--but you raise an interesting question, which I do not have enough comp time to respond to adequately today.

Yeah, I was thinking you would add the others later. I will do my own comparison between the wiki and what you have written about these stages, but I'm looking forward to reading your own when you have the time.

Stage Five--Creative response. God the creator is characterized by unlimited creative potential, control over space and time, abundant, open, generous, willing to be known, and inspired. We live in a world of art, creation, and discovery, and invention, fit in by intending, and find God through inspiration.

At this area of space/time, I've been exploring the fifth stage, that is--exploring the incredible etheric realms of time/space. Of course I'm not flipped around all the time, I descend back down to stage three near the end of my meditations, then throughout my day I'm normally at a high frequency of stage two or a low frequency of stage three, some times I stay way up in stage four for much of my day.

Thats not to say I've never gained a glimpse of stage seven, but to stay there for to long means I most likely wont come back. Really there is no sense in talking about the Great No-Thing

What's with yr obsession with this Deepak Chopra guy?

I find that the stages of "spiritual" consciousness (is there any other kind???) have more to do with perception than with God, per se.

What's with yr obsession with this Deepak Chopra guy?
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Mainly because he is one of the most highly evolved beings on the planet right now, along with the Dalai Lama (who doesn't write much), and my wife.

Mainly because he is one of the most highly evolved beings on the planet right now, along with the Dalai Lama (who doesn't write much), and my wife.

So those three are the highest evolved beings on the planet? I was somewhat surprised by the third choice, to be honest.

Anyway though, I want some direct answers. What level of profundity is experienced here after accessing these higher levels. The quote in your signature hints that we get to be creators, but to what extent? Are we talking about some lame reframing of the events in our lives, or are we talking about on a huge godlike scale?

Mainly because he is one of the most highly evolved beings on the planet right now, along with the Dalai Lama (who doesn't write much), and my wife.

Deepak Chopra: In 1998, Chopra was awarded the satirical Ig Nobel (ignoble) Prize in physics for "his unique interpretation of quantum physics as it applies to life, liberty, and the pursuit of economic happiness."

He joins winners such as those who researched the "5 second rule", and researcher's who found humans sexually arouse ostriches (groundbreaking stuff here). At the ceremony it is traditional to heckle the speaker, throw paper airplanes while they speak, and end the ceremony with "If you didn't win an award, and especially if you did, better luck next year."

I say this to give people insight to how seriously the scientific community takes his evidence, and theories. Now I claim this man is a Guru and nothing more. He is very interested in gaining material wealth. No? Read on...

In its May '91 issue, the journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published an article coauthored by Chopra and two others. The article was represented as discussing traditional Indian medicine (Ayurveda).

In Perfect Health (1991) Chopra authored the first widely read book on Ayurveda, the traditional system of Indian medicine. Besides outlining the Ayurvedic concept of body types (Prakriti), Chopra emphasizes that the roots of Indian healing lie in changing the holistic balance of mind and body.

JAMA editors found that the coauthors had financial interest in Vedic medicine products and services. He bought companies that make magic crystals before telling the world it "really works". The Jama editors published a financial disclosure correction and followed up in Oct with a 6 page medical news expose.

Chopra and his enlightend friends sued to the tune of 194 million, which was dismissed in '93.

I am surprised the man doesn't hock his books and bullshit theories on paid commercial programs saying things like "Act now and you get double Karma for all good deeds done in the next week".

I found this info on a quick glance at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepak_Chopra

What I found most interesting was at the bottom where it says see also it lists: Psuedoscience, and Quantum mysticism. I am considering asking wiki to add sorcery, snake oil salesman, and "cures they dont want you to know about" to that list.

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My point is you don't get to decide that your wife is one of the most spiritually evolved creatures on the planet, based on crackpot psuedoscience without someone screaming BULLSHIT at the top of their lungs.

Chopra was a trend in L.A for awhile. He was replaced with scientology, and that is being replaced with Kahbala. In a few years it will be replaced with whatever trendy cult like thoughts are floating around there.

Have you seen your buddy Chopra in the "Love Guru" movie? A movie that has been criticized for making fun of Guru's and their bullshit beliefs, by various groups of enlightened mystics. How do you say sell out in your nonsensical enlightened jargon?

So those three are the highest evolved beings on the planet? I was somewhat surprised by the third choice, to be honest.

Anyway though, I want some direct answers. What level of profundity is experienced here after accessing these higher levels. The quote in your signature hints that we get to be creators, but to what extent? Are we talking about some lame reframing of the events in our lives, or are we talking about on a huge godlike scale?

After accessing the higher stages, one can perform miracles. One can transcend time and space (both of which are illusory, anyway). For details, read the book. I just gave a bare outline.

In a sense, each morning when you wake up, you create the universe. Godlike enough for you? Verily is it written, we are not in the world--the world is in us.

Oh, and if you knew my wife better--even just by reading her blogs--you wouldn't be so surprised.

After accessing the higher stages, one can perform miracles. One can transcend time and space (both of which are illusory, anyway). For details, read the book. I just gave a bare outline.

In a sense, each morning when you wake up, you create the universe. Godlike enough for you? Verily is it written, we are not in the world--the world is in us.

Oh, and if you knew my wife better--even just by reading her blogs--you wouldn't be so surprised.

Your wife can teleport and time travel? She is up their in enlightenment with D.C. and the big Dali Lama himself, right?

Please have her stop by a week ago, and say hey. Finding little old me shouldn't be a problem for her.

In fact, ask her the name of my favorite band, color, food, movie, etc.

If she can travel through time, the minor psychic ability this would require is then laughable. When she wakes up and creates the universe, have her unmake me.

I wont hold my breath.

After accessing the higher stages, one can perform miracles. One can transcend time and space (both of which are illusory, anyway). For details, read the book. I just gave a bare outline.

In a sense, each morning when you wake up, you create the universe. Godlike enough for you? Verily is it written, we are not in the world--the world is in us.

Oh, and if you knew my wife better--even just by reading her blogs--you wouldn't be so surprised.

So does this mean I created you? Does this mean, if I decide to or have the right level of consciousness (or however you want to put it) that I can literally do anything? I could turn off gravity or make fire reign down from the sky?

So does this mean I created you? Does this mean, if I decide to or have the right level of consciousness (or however you want to put it) that I can literally do anything? I could turn off gravity or make fire reign down from the sky?

You have a mental image of me, right? Maybe even some conception of what I'm like as a person. In your reality, that IS me--and yes, you created it.

As far as the other stuff goes, you are missing the point, and making a very common error. Beginners on the path often focus--not to say obsess-- on flashy manifestations. I'll admit, I've done my share of this, but I got all of that out of my system twenty years ago. "Reigning" fire is just pretentious, not to say dangerous and not conducive to civil order--no highly evolved person would even consider doing such a thing.

Read the original post again. Doing miracles is level five stuff; transcending them is level seven stuff.

You have a mental image of me, right? Maybe even some conception of what I'm like as a person. In your reality, that IS me--and yes, you created it.

As far as the other stuff goes, you are missing the point, and making a very common error. Beginners on the path often focus--not to say obsess-- on flashy manifestations. I'll admit, I've done my share of this, but I got all of that out of my system twenty years ago. "Reigning" fire is just pretentious, not to say dangerous and not conducive to civil order--no highly evolved person would even consider doing such a thing.

Read the original post again. Doing miracles is level five stuff; transcending them is level seven stuff.

I understand, the reigning fire thing was only an example. If I actually had such power, I'd use it to turn the world into heaven. But still, if we're just talking about simple reframing of "oh that guy cut me off that really pisses me off" to "hey that guy cut me off, no big deal," then this doesn't really seem that special. Is this the case?

I searched this "moind field" theory, that was supposedly discovered 100 years ago...and found nothing. Any help?

I know that you won't, but don't take any offense at what I am about to say ArmsMerchant. Why do you put so much stock in what one man has come up with? I know that he has drawn from many sources, but it seems a little fishy to have something that is 100% true all in one place. Usually, I find, you have to extract small amounts of truth from many things, and then combine them together to form your own beliefs. To me, it's like you're writing a research paper with one source.

What would constitute a miracle in your book? Are these miracles that people at lower stages of enlightenment can perceive?

Those seven stages seem a little arbitrary to me. I'm pretty against saying anything is absolute, or that there is a definite line, or that anything can be 'boxed up' so to speak. I'm just uncomfortable with the specificity used in describing the stages. I'm actually pretty uncomfortable with the idea of stages at all. A continuum, especially a non-linear one, would seem much more fitting to me.

Fuck labels, just keep going for enlightenment of any kind, man.

thanks, armsy.

Interesting.

In your opinion, how do these seven stages relate to Leary's 8-Circuit Model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-Circuit_Model_of_Consciousness)?

That would be an interesting thread.

I understand, the reigning fire thing was only an example. If I actually had such power, I'd use it to turn the world into heaven. But still, if we're just talking about simple reframing of "oh that guy cut me off that really pisses me off" to "hey that guy cut me off, no big deal," then this doesn't really seem that special. Is this the case?

If you would make an intense and serious effort to transcend fear and manifest forgiveness and universal unconditional love, you would realize that Yes, it is very, very special indeed.

If you would make an intense and serious effort to transcend fear and manifest forgiveness and universal unconditional love, you would realize that Yes, it is very, very special indeed.

Ah, but it still seems like we're dancing around my real question here, which is: to what degree can we control reality?

Ah, but it still seems like we're dancing around my real question here, which is: to what degree can we control reality?

Completely. Sometimes, even unintentionally. This has gotten me into trouble before.

Ah, but it still seems like we're dancing around my real question here, which is: to what degree can we control reality?

We can only control ourselves and change our personal perception of reality.

We cannot control reality by any supernatural means whatsoever. There is no book we can buy, no God we can pray to, and no other special formula that will give any of us supernatural control over reality.

Completely. Sometimes, even unintentionally. This has gotten me into trouble before.

Please share with us how you completely control reality sometimes.

Please share with us some of these reality controlling mishaps.

Please share with us how you completely control reality sometimes.

Please share with us some of these reality controlling mishaps.

a-hahaha. To the first one....I would love to, but I do not possess the vocabulary to describe the events that took place...if you can even call them events, or taking place. I will say this though, the last thought I had as a separate "self" from the rest of the universe was, "what separates a man from his God?"...then... :o

As for the reality controlling mishaps...often times, I forget that I have a lot more power than I pretend to have, and so sometimes when I forget myself and tell a lie...the lie comes true. for instance, I don't feel like sharing the whole story, but at one point in a particular sensitive state of being I had $20 tucked away in a binder and asked a man in a written out poem if he would let me work for him for a place to stay as I had no money (I didn't feel like explaining that I only had $20 but that it obviously wouldn't be enough as I couldn't make that rhyme in the poem)...later on, I looked for the $20 and....it was completely gone. no way it could of reasonably just disappeared...a classic case of "be careful what you wish for", in a sense.


We cannot control reality by any supernatural means whatsoever. There is no book we can buy, no God we can pray to, and no other special formula that will give any of us supernatural control over reality.

a-haha....by saying that you are making it true...you really can not notice how stuck in an infinite loop you are until you are somehow able to break free of yr karmic bind....but this will mean nothing to you, nothing at all. I might as well be reciting the old testament to the annual gathering of armed atheists and angry agnostics.

a-haha....by saying that you are making it true...you really can not notice how stuck in an infinite loop you are until you are somehow able to break free of yr karmic bind....but this will mean nothing to you, nothing at all. I might as well be reciting the old testament to the annual gathering of armed atheists and angry agnostics.

lol, nice analogy. I'd like to believe you, but it's a pretty bold claim. As you probably know, you can't really get that sort of knowledge from others, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see for myself.

a-hahaha. To the first one....I would love to, but I do not possess the vocabulary to describe the events that took place..

That's convienent.

If I made an outragous bullshit claim, and didn't want to be embarrassed further, I would say something similiar.

you really can not notice how stuck in an infinite loop you are until you are somehow able to break free of yr karmic bind....but this will mean nothing to you, nothing at all. I might as well be reciting the old testament to the annual gathering of armed atheists and angry agnostics.

I know the feeling, except it is like reciting basic logic and science to a group of 5 year olds for me.

That's convienent.

If I made an outragous bullshit claim, and didn't want to be embarrassed further, I would say something similiar.

I don't think you embarrassed him. Can you tell me what milk tastes like? Can you describe the feeling you get in your stomach when you get angry? Words are limited, especially when you get to exploring higher levels of consciousness where they become utterly useless to someone who has not experienced such a thing. He's not trying to convince you, and I doubt he cares if you believe him.

Are all Indian religions feel good?

I don't think you embarrassed him. Can you tell me what milk tastes like? Can you describe the feeling you get in your stomach when you get angry? Words are limited, especially when you get to exploring higher levels of consciousness where they become utterly useless to someone who has not experienced such a thing. He's not trying to convince you, and I doubt he cares if you believe him.

Too true. So much of the experience is far, far beyond syntax because language is thought-based and the experience goes beyond thought. How can you bring that back?

'n yeah, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I just have fun posting.

lol, nice analogy. I'd like to believe you, but it's a pretty bold claim. As you probably know, you can't really get that sort of knowledge from others, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see for myself.

Wonderful attitude. I'm not being sarcastic either. Wanting to wait and see what reality unfolds is a wonderful way to learn. It's second in effectiveness to only one other tutelage I've experienced.

Wonderful attitude. I'm not being sarcastic either. Wanting to wait and see what reality unfolds is a wonderful way to learn. It's second in effectiveness to only one other tutelage I've experienced.

I'd like to find a quality teacher that could show me things, but I've never come across one that seemed right.

You don't need a teacher.

You don't need a teacher.

Krishnamurti said that too, and he was one of the greatest teachers.

Krishnamurti said that too, and he was one of the greatest teachers.

haha, which Krishnamurti?

I'd like to find a quality teacher that could show me things, but I've never come across one that seemed right.

The best teachers are students. Give away your own understandings and you'll be given new understandings.

The advantage is made in what one possesses. Usefulness is made in what one lacks.

I tell you this: Give away your own understandings...your advantage. This puts you last in this world. Then, the next to pass understanding to you will do it of love and compassion rather than duty: Your new understanding will be more of love than your last, and this will continue.

haha, which Krishnamurti?

This one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

I don't think you embarrassed him. Can you tell me what milk tastes like? Can you describe the feeling you get in your stomach when you get angry? Words are limited, especially when you get to exploring higher levels of consciousness where they become utterly useless to someone who has not experienced such a thing. He's not trying to convince you, and I doubt he cares if you believe him.

Milk is thicker than water. It does not have a sweet taste, nor is it bitter. It has an almost chalky taste to it, but is not an unpleasant taste for most. Milk has a taste that is able to tone down the sweetness of cakes and cookies, and it also can be added to coffee to take away the bitterness.

If I had to describe to you how milk tastes, I would say it is the perfect neutrality to the ying and yang of sweet and sour.

When I get angry it feels as if my stomach turns into a tightly clenched fist and begins throbbing. It is as if an invisilbe hand reached through my abdomen muscles and grasped my stomch and began squeezing it, making my stomach throb. This throbbing makes my limbs more nervous and my hand cannot remain at rest. It is altogether an uncomfortable feeling.

Words are limited only by the person using them.

Saying "I cant describe it to you because you never felt it" is rather circular and reeks of bullshit. Were I lying about something I did not know how to describe, I might use some circular bullshit like this.

NOW, I dont need you to describe what it felt like. I dont need you describe where it came from.

I just want to know what happened when you controlled the universe, and how you did it. Did you just think really hard on it? Did you pray for it? Did you become one with the infinite time and space and this allowed you to see things for what they truly are and manipulate them as you saw fit?

Something more...than the cop-out circular horseshit you attempted to feed me.

I just want to know what happened when you controlled the universe, and how you did it. Did you just think really hard on it? Did you pray for it? Did you become one with the infinite time and space and this allowed you to see things for what they truly are and manipulate them as you saw fit?

Something more...than the cop-out circular horseshit you attempted to feed me.

At a guess, i'd say he had a thought and then it happened. .... or the exact state of the universe was exactly how he wanted it to be. Which could be contentment. Dunno.

At a guess, i'd say he had a thought and then it happened. .... or the exact state of the universe was exactly how he wanted it to be. Which could be contentment. Dunno.

This sounds all fine and good, and were the actual person who claimed to be able to control the universe the on who stated these answers, I would certainly have a few follow-up questions. Considering you are not that person I don't see any reason to present these questions.

Would still like an an answer from the man who can control the universe.

Milk is thicker than water. It does not have a sweet taste, nor is it bitter. It has an almost chalky taste to it, but is not an unpleasant taste for most. Milk has a taste that is able to tone down the sweetness of cakes and cookies, and it also can be added to coffee to take away the bitterness.

If I had to describe to you how milk tastes, I would say it is the perfect neutrality to the ying and yang of sweet and sour.

When I get angry it feels as if my stomach turns into a tightly clenched fist and begins throbbing. It is as if an invisilbe hand reached through my abdomen muscles and grasped my stomch and began squeezing it, making my stomach throb. This throbbing makes my limbs more nervous and my hand cannot remain at rest. It is altogether an uncomfortable feeling.

Words are limited only by the person using them.

Saying "I cant describe it to you because you never felt it" is rather circular and reeks of bullshit. Were I lying about something I did not know how to describe, I might use some circular bullshit like this.

NOW, I dont need you to describe what it felt like. I dont need you describe where it came from.

I just want to know what happened when you controlled the universe, and how you did it. Did you just think really hard on it? Did you pray for it? Did you become one with the infinite time and space and this allowed you to see things for what they truly are and manipulate them as you saw fit?

Something more...than the cop-out circular horseshit you attempted to feed me.

You're getting your people mixed up: I never claimed to "control" the universe. Also if you think that anger is an "altogether unpleasant" feeling, then either you are an abnormally enlightened person, or you've never examined yourself when under the influence of it and other emotions. You choose to indulge in it, no one else, but I digress since that's not what we were talking about.

Anyway, as good as your words are, do you actually think they are a valid substitute for direct experience? Do you think someone who had never tasted milk would have a precise idea of what it tasted like based on what you said? You want me to put some of the things I've experienced into words? Fine, I'll try.

It's like accessing a level of perception where you see that all the fine little movements of humans are like a synchronized, choreographed orchestra. Does this really do anything for you? You can sit there and read book after book about golf, but when you actually get out there and play it for the first time you will find that you suck at it.

I don't care if what I'm saying "sounds circular." I don't expect you to be convinced. I'm not trying to convince you. You don't care about exploring consciousness? Fine with me. I can't force such a thing, nor do I want to try. Battling to defend concepts is where the typical religious man fails, and it is where the typical atheist/skeptic fails. Don't believe me? Think that you have to continue showing how "god" doesn't exist? You're right, the god you have in mind probably doesn't exist, but don't think that that fact necessitates that all consciousness-expanding practices are bullshit. To do so is to allow the same conceptual limitations to hold you back that hold back religious people: you're even using the same concept.

Edit: "words are only limited by the person using them"? Surely you don't mean this. Words are completely limited, and in each person's mind brings up a slightly (sometimes vastly) different idea.

You're getting your people mixed up: I never claimed to "control" the universe.

You are right....those were meant to be directed at Rizzo.

Anyway, as good as your words are, do you actually think they are a valid substitute for direct experience?

Not at all, and I never suggested such. My point was to show that things can be described with words. How well depends upon the person doing the describing.

What I described of the taste of milk, is by no means a complete comprehensive description. I could elaborate and expound upon anything a person wished to ask me in follow-up questions to get that person the best possible idea of what to expect before they sit down to enjoy a glass.

It's like accessing a level of perception where you see that all the fine little movements of humans are like a synchronized, choreographed orchestra. Does this really do anything for you?

Yes, yes it does do something for me. Infinitely more than "You haven't experience it, you wouldn't understand".........fucking INFINITELY more. I would ask you to elaborate. Are you able to see every little person in this orchestra all at once? Say you wanted to concentrate on one single person of this orchestra, can you?

When you say synchronized do you mean that most of us sleep at night and awake during the day at which time we a majority of us shit, shower, shave, grab a bite and head off to work? What do you mean synchronized?

But ultimately, what does this perception do for you....and I would ask of those who believe they wield magical powers....how this grants them magicalk powers.

You're right, the god you have in mind probably doesn't exist, but don't think that that fact necessitates that all consciousness-expanding practices are bullshit. To do so is to allow the same conceptual limitations to hold you back that hold back religious people: you're even using the same concept.

Not at all. I don't have conceptual limitations...I just ask for answers that are either too cryptic, or not forthcoming. I believe that consciousness-expansion is possible in the sense of self help books that empower a person. I believe this b/c of the empirical data that suggests self fulfilling prophecy is true.

So we are on the same page...I just want one tiny miniscule amount of evidence that his consciousness expansion leads to magical power.

"words are only limited by the person using them"? Surely you don't mean this. Words are completely limited, and in each person's mind brings up a slightly (sometimes vastly) different idea.

I meant it completely.

It is the job of the person using the words to be as clear as possible so that vastly different ideas do not spring up in a person's mind. It is also their job to speak to their audience and know who that audience is.

The words are limited only by the person using them.

I was just joking, I have no power of any kind whatsoever. It's all lies and phoney baloney.

Are you able to see every little person in this orchestra all at once? Say you wanted to concentrate on one single person of this orchestra, can you?

When you say synchronized do you mean that most of us sleep at night and awake during the day at which time we a majority of us shit, shower, shave, grab a bite and head off to work? What do you mean synchronized?

Yes, I can see everyone moving within my field of vision that is a part of it. As far as focusing on a specific person, I don't really know. I can see how each person fits into it. I'm not actually sure what the first question in the second paragraph here means. I think you might want to reword it if this post doesn't explain it well enough for you.

Picture an actual orchestra. Each person has individual notes and they all have their place. They all come in at the perfect time, one after another. Every movement, word, and sniffle that someone lets out is a note, if you will. Another way to explain it might be to say that there is a "flow" to the room moving through everything. Now I don't claim that this is metaphysical; I don't know what it is. It's quite amazing though, and it's sitting right in front of all of us.

I was just joking, I have no power of any kind whatsoever. It's all lies and phoney baloney.

I wish you hadn't done this. If you really are at a level that you say you are then either defend yourself. If you are just trying to get him to stop, then that's fine too. But for the rest of us who aren't close-minded to what you say, stuff like this sort of gets me down since it ostensibly says that all your previous posts weren't real.

It doesn't matter to me whether you're up, down, or sideways.

there is something in my eye!

get it out.

It doesn't matter to me whether you're up, down, or sideways.

there is something in my eye!

get it out.

I get your point. You know though, I don't think it hurts to discover things together. Anyway, I'm not really down.

I wish you hadn't done this. If you really are at a level that you say you are then either defend yourself. If you are just trying to get him to stop, then that's fine too. But for the rest of us who aren't close-minded to what you say, stuff like this sort of gets me down since it ostensibly says that all your previous posts weren't real.

How were you so easily fooled?

Methinks your mind may be open just a little too wide.