And you, too!

Doesn't matter how bad you think you are.
Doesn't matter if you hate God.
Doesn't matter if you hate life.
Doesn't matter if you hate humanity.
Doesn't matter what you've done, what you've felt, what you've harmed.
God loves you!

Yes, even those of you who have wounded your family, your society, your selves. Even those of you who have hurt children. Even those of you who cheat on your taxes, have slept with your brother's girl, or sister's man, or even slept with your brother or sister! God loves you, folks! Even those of you that worship demons, witchcraft, Rosie O'Donnel, and idols...God loves all of you. And that's with no conditions. There is nothing you could ever do to stop God from loving you.

Enjoy your lives, dear brothers and sisters, for joy is but one of the many blessings God grants us.

Hard to argue with that!

Props for the positivity.

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

I don't think God loves me. I think he hates me. I mean, yeah, he loves me as well. But he hates me too.

In fact, I don't think that something like Love can be absolutely perscribed to God, unless he is lacking in hate, and if he lacked in hate, then he wouldn't be God.

Love may be something that God experiences... But so is Hate, and every other possible feeling.

I'm sure God is actually going through everything right now, and that I can justly say God hates us all as well as God Loves us all.

Unless of course we're using Love simply to me keeps us in existence...

God does not love everyone. Ask Jacobs brother, Easu.

Thing is......what good is God's love? Is it good for the millions of people suffering unimaginable torment on a daily basis. Is that warm fuzzy feeling of "God loves me" better than say...food for your starving, parasite infected, disease riddled new born?

God simply does not exist in some places in the world. God most certainly exists to millions of fat Americans, sitting in their air conditioned houses, watching their children get an education and grow up.

Wonder how many Americans would pass the test of Job?

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Note if by God you are referring to an undefined abstract notion of a big loving warm fuzzy out there in the universe, then feel free to ignore the Christian references.

http://blog.cleveland.com/top_entertainment/2007/10/medium_barney.jpg

Barney loves me, and at least I have evidence that he could do something productive. Barney wins.

Yes, but the question is, do you love like God?

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

I'm not saying Hitler, child rapists, and deformed infants are "good". "Good" is just a human concept and in being so, in God's eyes, there is no such thing as sin. And since there is no such thing as sin, there is no need for an afterlife as a "reward" or "punishment".

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

The Greeks had several words for love, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love , depending upon the context philia and agape are used in the NT. Philia meaning "a dispassionate virtuous love" and Agape meaning "self-sacrificing, giving love to all--both friend and enemy". Unconditional love without regard for reputation or 'sin' such as the love a parent has for a child who has done wrong. You choose to equate "God's" love with eternal suffering when the opposite is also on display in that 'there is no greater love than to give one's life for another'. That being so, how are you being a realist and not simply negative?

Yes, but the question is, do you love like God?

I'll pop my bitchy girlfriend in the mouth, beat her till she's blacked and bruised. I won't let her out of the fucking house. If she does, I'll behead her. She stays in the house and cooks my steak dinner.

God is a great role model. I live by the old testament. I wish I could live in Pakistan.

"You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen."

Man fuck that cunt, when was he ever looking after me?

Yes, Yahweh loves me. That's why he's sending me to hell for eternity when I die.

no he doesnt

I hope you guys aren't disbelieving in the wrong one.

There can be dire consequences.

I don't think God loves me. I think he hates me. I mean, yeah, he loves me as well. But he hates me too.

In fact, I don't think that something like Love can be absolutely perscribed to God, unless he is lacking in hate, and if he lacked in hate, then he wouldn't be God.

Love may be something that God experiences... But so is Hate, and every other possible feeling.

I'm sure God is actually going through everything right now, and that I can justly say God hates us all as well as God Loves us all.

Unless of course we're using Love simply to me keeps us in existence...

I think this is an important post in this thread, and it relates to Rizzos new thread.

Yes, but the question is, do you love like God?

No, thankfully I do not.

Love: a range of human emotions and experiences related to the senses of affection and sexual attraction.

If god had any affection for humanity, he would let shit like this happen:

http://www.fromthefrontline.co.uk/blogs/media/blogs/frontline/vietnam.jpg

http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/darfur_child_starving.JPG

Fucktard.

Oh, and God said he does hate people. Refer to his fucking bestseller, the Bible:
"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." -Romans 9:13

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

What he is saying is God hates the crime, but not the criminal. When you commit a moral wrong, it breaks God's heart, but he still loves you. And keep in mind disease and suffering did not exist until sin entered the world.

When Adam and Eve committed the first sin, nature was cursed, which is why we have earthquakes, floods, etc. God allows nature to demonstrate the consequences of sin. Yes, there are innocent people who suffer, and it may not seem fair. Suffering is caused by man's free will. According to the Bible God truly loves us. Think about it, it wouldn't be true love if God did not allow us to choose our paths regarding good and evil. He created us to love him back, but love requires free will, and that can mean suffering for innocent people.

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

What reason could God have to hate Hitler, child rapists, or any others? Are they God? If not, then how can perfection, or even good, be expected of them? All good and all perfection comes only from God; to those who do good deeds, be grateful that God has chosen to use you as a channel for his Love. All of humanity's wrongs...they show us that WE are not good, that WE are not God. Look to the horrors that exist in the minds and hearts of humanity and then look to the good and love that exists in spite of it if you need proof that God is...look at your very self: at how every one of your desires is not to benefit others, but to get your next fix...everything you want is for your self and yourself alone. Were there not a God, the first pair in humanity would have consumed itself and ended our race.

I don't think God loves me. I think he hates me. I mean, yeah, he loves me as well. But he hates me too.

In fact, I don't think that something like Love can be absolutely perscribed to God, unless he is lacking in hate, and if he lacked in hate, then he wouldn't be God.

Love may be something that God experiences... But so is Hate, and every other possible feeling.

I'm sure God is actually going through everything right now, and that I can justly say God hates us all as well as God Loves us all.

Unless of course we're using Love simply to me keeps us in existence...

The Greeks had several words for love, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love , depending upon the context philia and agape are used in the NT. Philia meaning "a dispassionate virtuous love" and Agape meaning "self-sacrificing, giving love to all--both friend and enemy". Unconditional love without regard for reputation or 'sin' such as the love a parent has for a child who has done wrong. You choose to equate "God's" love with eternal suffering when the opposite is also on display in that 'there is no greater love than to give one's life for another'. That being so, how are you being a realist and not simply negative?

When Adam and Eve committed the first sin, nature was cursed, which is why we have earthquakes, floods, etc. God allows nature to demonstrate the consequences of sin.

ETC.

No arguments amongst yourselves as to the which of your different explanations is the right one?

Hmmm.

Why not?

The answers are subjective then right?

Ask another controversial God question, and you will get yet another plethora of answers from theists. Each like a little snowflake. Each serving but one purpose: To justify their beliefs. To keep a strong wall of theistic ignorance around the grey matter.

I have but one answer...that magically answers all of these questions about "Why would God do X if Y is true"...and "If God can X then why doesn't he Y?"

Are you all ready for the BEST objective answer to answer all of these questions perfectly?

Here it is......




God is imaginary.

God is imaginary.

I know you are but what am I

ETC.

No arguments amongst yourselves as to the which of your different explanations is the right one?

Hmmm.

Why not?

The answers are subjective then right?

Ask another controversial God question, and you will get yet another plethora of answers from theists. Each like a little snowflake. Each serving but one purpose: To justify their beliefs. To keep a strong wall of theistic ignorance around the grey matter.

I have but one answer...that magically answers all of these questions about "Why would God do X if Y is true"...and "If God can X then why doesn't he Y?"

Are you all ready for the BEST objective answer to answer all of these questions perfectly?

Here it is......




God is imaginary.

Could you please explain this? Or...even better, show how it undeniably PROVES God is imaginary. Since you have nothing to back this up, the question serves but one purpose: to justify your beliefs...wouldn't you agree?

I have another supposedly controversial question about God that atheists use to try and disprove God.

"Could an all-powerful God create a stone that even He Himself could not lift?".

Then they answer the question for you:

If Yes - An omnipotent being cannot exist because it could not lift the rock
If No - An omnipotent being cannot exist because it could not create the rock

The atheists then come to the conclusion that God is imaginary, but how? It doesn't disprove God. It only proves that if God does exist, He is far beyond our comprehension, which obviously AGREES with theist beliefs. Our puny human logic cannot compare with His abilities. The Bible supports this 100%. It says that, compared to God, mankind knows nothing.

Could you please explain this?

Gladly.

I do not know 100% for a fact that God is imaginary. Nobody does. Not my point. I was just saying that, that particular answer is a really good one for all questins concerning God.

Let me explain a bit more...

It SEEMS that when a theist is asked a tough question, the answers suggest a creative brain process is taking place. (I say this because the answers vary depending upon who you ask) I can even imagine WHY people would WANT to do this: so they can keep on believing the most comforting thought possible that explains the nature of the universe.

Ask an atheist why god doesnt heal amputees, why the bible is so condradictory, how every animal on earth can fit on a boat, why god would make useless organs, ask since god made us in his image...does he share 98% of his DNA with chimps to?

Ask anyone of those to any atheist and you will have a simple answer....

God is imaginary.

Ask those to theist, and the answer depends upon the creative ablities of the individual asked.

Case in point:

He is far beyond our comprehension, which obviously AGREES with theist beliefs. Our puny human logic cannot compare with His abilities. The Bible supports this 100%.

First off, this differs from every other theistic answer to the question on this thread. Not really your creativity b/c you say you used the bible. An ancient personas creative abilities, then.

The bible supports this? A book written by humans supports the beliefs created by the humans who wrote the book? Wow, you got me there. That isn't circular thinking at ALL.

If God is incomprehensible then HOW DID they even know God existed. How did they comprehend that well enough to write it? If God gave them the ability to comprehend him....then God is not incomprehensible, is he?

IS HE?

Now, I am sure you have an answer that will differ from any other theist I asked. This suggests individual creativity, doesn't it? This suggests a creative thought process happening.

My answer to all your God questions, universally answers them all. Perhaps my answer is not right, yet still. I am not 100%. Just saying, it seems to be the best possible answer.

Have you ever been in public debates, brokeprophet?

If God is incomprehensible then HOW DID they even know God existed. How did they comprehend that well enough to write it? If God gave them the ability to comprehend him....then God is not incomprehensible, is he?

Uh, since when is belief in God equivalent with knowing God exists?

This suggests a creative thought process happening.

Whats wrong with that?

My answer to all your God questions, universally answers them all. Perhaps my answer is not right, yet still. I am not 100%. Just saying, it seems to be the best possible answer.

Really? Then "Reality is imaginary" must be the best answer for any question about it as well.

Go ahead. Tell me why it would be otherwise.

Obbe is using his creative thought processes to curve around all of Brokeprophets questions. He's not actually answering them.

Really? Then "Reality is imaginary" must be the best answer for any question about it as well.


This^

Obbe is using his creative thought processes to curve around all of Brokeprophets questions. He's not actually answering them.

SockMan is having trouble expressing his own opinion with Brokes cock in his mouth.

Really? Then "Reality is imaginary" must be the best answer for any question about it as well.


Reality - that which actually exists
Imaginary - that which is not real, does not exist

"That which actually exists, does not exist."

Again, as I've said time and time again, "imaginary" is a concept that is dependent on the antecedent concept of "reality".

"That which actually exists, does not exist."

"God is imaginary."

How are these statements any different?

Again, as I've said time and time again, "imaginary" is a concept that is dependent on the antecedent concept of "reality".

Can 'reality' be conceptualized without imagination?

And you, too!

Doesn't matter how bad you think you are.
Doesn't matter if you hate God.
Doesn't matter if you hate life.
Doesn't matter if you hate humanity.
Doesn't matter what you've done, what you've felt, what you've harmed.
God loves you!


So from what i understand, a kiddie rapist is, in the eyes of god, a "good" person. This is bullshit to the max. kiddie fiddlers/rapist's get beaten to death in prison, but "god loves them" so it doesnt matter? We all end up as a pile of bones(or ashes) in the end, and eventually the world will be devoured by the sun and we wont have to put up with this shit anymore.

Even jesus himself would beat the fuck out of a kiddie fiddler/rapist.

This fourm is a prime example of why each religion hates each other sooooooooo much

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

True :P
And all these hippie religious people that bang on your door at 8am have no respect for the non brainwashed(ie. normal people)

"God is imaginary."

How are these statements any different?

Uhm, they're not. Thus, point made. The equal statement is self-contradictory.



Can 'reality' be conceptualized without imagination?

Yes, but not the other way. The concept of reality is not dependent upon the concept of imaginary or illusory.

The concept of reality is not dependent upon the concept of imaginary or illusory.

Then how does one conceptualize it, without imagination?

Yes, Yahweh loves me. That's why he's sending me to hell for eternity when I die.

Evidently you missed the memo. There is no such place as hell.

It's a myth.

As is the notion that God is a discrete entity that stands apart from Creation. God is not simply the entity that created the eagle. God is the majesty of the eagle's flight, the wind the eagle soars upon, and the eagle itself.

As is the notion that God is a discrete entity that stands apart from Creation. God is not simply the entity that created the eagle. God is the majesty of the eagle's flight, the wind the eagle soars upon, and the eagle itself.

You're making the definition of 'god' a little ambiguous. Why don't I call my dick 'God'?

You're making the definition of 'god' a little ambiguous.

It's a myth.

As is the notion that God is a discrete entity that stands apart from Creation.

How is this ambiguous? If Arms is saying it is only myth that God would be separate from anything, then obviously he believes God is all things.

God is not simply the entity that created the eagle. God is the majesty of the eagle's flight, the wind the eagle soars upon, and the eagle itself.

Why don't I call my dick 'God'?

Because you are making a distinction between 'your dick' and the rest of everything. As if 'your dick' is God of everything, instead of God is all things.

And you don't believe in God ...

And you don't believe in God ...

This more or less settles it really :D

You're making the definition of 'god' a little ambiguous. Why don't I call my dick 'God'?

Gee, doesn't everyone? Think about the last time you had really hot sex, and your partner was like all "OH GOD OH GOD!"

What do you think he or she was referring to, your ear lobes?

And while you're at it, research the Hindu "lingam worship" thing.

I feel that the "God allows suffering, so he must not exist, or he must be a total asshole" argument to be pretty weak. Who can know the mind of a purportedly infinitely intelligent being? Who can know what is really for the greater good? What if the human race is to survive for another billion years, and what is happening now is vital to that future? We know so little; I think it's very hasty and premature to be passing judgment on things that are quite possibly beyond our understanding. I believe that we are all created to be sovereign beings. If God prevented suffering, then we would no longer be independent; we would no longer have any free will. (Of course, it can be debated whether we have free will anyway, but I'm assuming that we do). Suffering comes from the hand of man, not God.

Are you all ready for the BEST objective answer to answer all of these questions perfectly?

Here it is......




God is imaginary.

What do you think about "God/Reality is perfect."?

Hail satan.

isn't it better to be religious just in case. if religion is right and there is a god/heaven/hell/blah blah blah then wouldn't it be better to have been religious in life. and if you were wrong and everything is fucked up and all that happens in death is eternal darkness and a total lack of thought because there is no brain function just nothing/ blah blah blah then what would have been so wrong with having been religious in life anyway. if fact you would probably lead a better life being religious anyway. if more people were religious it would be an even better place.

millions of people leading out there lives purely for the purpose to serve others who then when they too are strong enough will surely join you in serving others. I'm not saying in the slightest go out and join a religion, I'm merely saying its better to be safe than sorry. which is probably why most atheists repent on their death beds, just to be safe. personally i do believe in god because of the watchmaker theory. if you find a watch, you know that a watchmaker made it because there is no other way for the watch to have been made. so because there is a giant universe with such complexities and wonders then only a god could have created them. but thats just me.

alternatively god could be an evolutionary trait in our minds that could have benefited us earlier on in our evolution when our minds were growing to such a capacity. so instead of killing ourselfs when things got too tough we realized hey if i don't kill myself an live through all the shit that i'm supposed to go throgh(life, marriage, procreation [the ultimate goal], death) then maybe this "god" figure will accept me into his arms and the point of death. which quite frankly in a much better option than eternal damnation (if you do bad things), eternity in purgatory/ limbo (where you go if you dont believe in god) or eternal blackness (what happens if god really doesnt exist)

isn't it better to be religious just in case. if religion is right and there is a god/heaven/hell/blah blah blah then wouldn't it be better to have been religious in life. and if you were wrong and everything is fucked up and all that happens in death is eternal darkness and a total lack of thought because there is no brain function just nothing/ blah blah blah then what would have been so wrong

No. Pascal's Wager is fallacious thinking.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

It assumes something you cannot assume, namely that the believer would never get punished or would get punished less often that an atheist. Neither are necessarily true.

As for religion improving people's lives:

http://whatstheharm.net/christianscience.html

http://whatstheharm.net/religiousfundamentalism.html

http://whatstheharm.net/jehovahswitnesses.html


http://whatstheharm.net/cults.html

Yeah, that's bullshit as well.

And you don't believe in God ...

I believe in my dick.

Even those of you who cheat on your taxes, have slept with your brother's girl, or sister's man, or even slept with your brother or sister! God loves you, folks! Even those of you that worship demons, witchcraft, Rosie O'Donnel, and idols...God loves all of you. And that's with no conditions. There is nothing you could ever do to stop God from loving you.


Then why, according to the bible, are they doomed to eternal damnation?


You're pretty much saying "Don't worry if you molest children, God still loves you so it's ok!"

strictly translated, the bible says god will DESTROY those not able to stand in his presence - not send them to hell for eternity. mere oblivion is what is skewed to mean hell - hell is. according to the new testament, A, not in existence yet, and B, strictly for satan and his angels.

CS lewis stated the 'can't get into heaven if you aren't good thing' in this way...

"being in heaven, for a person with a sinful soul, would be a worse hell then we can imagine, because of the presence of god. hell is not a torture place, it's a mercy place, where people would be free from the presence of god - what they really wanted on earth. a person that lived a good life, but has no love for god, is not going to suffer for eternity, that's ridiculous and unsupported by the bible"


you people should also be aware, the old testament exists in the bible for no reason other then historical purposes. christ said, 'gods only command is to love one another'. he nullified the harsh laws of the old world.

in fact, i would dare you to find a single fault in the character of christ or the teachings of the new testament, regardless of what you believe to be it's veracity.

Then why, according to the bible, are they doomed to eternal damnation?


You're pretty much saying "Don't worry if you molest children, God still loves you so it's ok!"

No, you are taking what he said too literally.

God doesn't send people to hell, we put ourselves there. God sent His Son down to die on the cross for your sins so that you will not go to hell. However, you still need to believe, change your ways, and repent for your sin. And keep in mind God does not allow the wicked to go unpunished; sinners can still be punished here on earth.

I believe in my dick.

If you would enjoy naming it God, thats fine by me.

Then why, according to the bible, are they doomed to eternal damnation?


You're pretty much saying "Don't worry if you molest children, God still loves you so it's ok!"

No, what I'm saying is that it's not too late to change your ways and find a better life. You think implicit forgiveness for all sins makes it 'good' or even 'okay' to commit them? They're still sins. It's simply that they don't disqualify you from God's love.

Exactly what I'm saying is this, "Man will condemn and seek vengeance upon all your sins, but even if you're a child molester, rapist, or murderer, you can seek out God and He will welcome you with open arms."

Does this mean you won't get executed in a court trial on Earth? No. Does it mean people will all cheer you on for changing your ways? No...most people are rather incapable of exercising forgiveness or mercy when it comes to the sins we actually take serious. Kill and be killed...that's human 'justice'...(read: self-righteous judgment).

If your father loves you, your siblings might still try to beat you with a broom stick and lock you in a food pantry for three weeks.

I believe in my dick.

I lol'ed...

I also think that a lesson comes from all this :D

Then why, according to the bible, are they doomed to eternal damnation?


You're pretty much saying "Don't worry if you molest children, God still loves you so it's ok!"

To answer your question--one, they aren't. The Bible is mistaken on this point.

And your quote is correct in a sense--God's love is unconditional and infinite, regardless of what one does or does not do. That does not make pedophilia okay, however. It is a symptom of a profoundly twisted mind, for one thing. For another, it is one of the most egregious of the heinous crimes, and shorts eyes tend to have lives that are nasty, brutish and short, once they go to slam and get put in genpop.

God does not punish--but ALL actions have consequences, some of which are not pretty.

God does not punish--but ALL actions have consequences, some of which are not pretty.

i like that. it can be taken is 2 ways. it could mean that god doesnt exist yet there is still moral boundrys we must follow for fear of consequences. it can also be taken as god is merciful and will not punish but we will still be but 'karma' still affects us.

pedophiles, rapists and murderers is a hard thing to think about when talking about religion. the first 2 i think we have a choice about there for if we choose them we will be punished and i think they are. tony ferguson the australian pedophile altho admittedly hasnt been convicted for his crimes (yes yes, he should have been and the judge should be punished for his decision) he still must suffer every day. the constant threat of people, the combined hatred of him by all people, the media, the total aloneness. we may not see it as satisfactory but surely he must be. if a pedo/rapist goes to jail what normally happens to them? in a decent jail the will be themselves raped repeatedly or they will die from 'accidentally' falling down the stair several times.

i see murderers in different catagory, if it is a matter of kill or be killed i dont think they should suffer. they probably still have to deal with the guilt but thats harsh enough. however if someone kills out of cold blood they sill suffer a worse fate.

i also think that hell is an existing place. not a physical place but a place that exists still. read the divine comedy, its pretty hard to understand but its a good read.

read the divine comedy, its pretty hard to understand but its a good read.

Which translation?

Or did you read it in the original Italian?