After talking to several friends that have taken salvia, i was told it might be worth noting that many of them have sensed and 'evil presence' when under the influence of the drug. didnt know if i should post this in better living or not, since i was more in hunt of its religious implications.

any feedback?

They were hallucinating.

Not evil. More uncaring/unsympathetic, but not evil. Think of lady salvia as sort of a queen of a metaphysical hive of.. meta-insects. or something. Fuuuck.

Probably just really fucking high. But its pretty obvious, the right person with the right drug can uncover some interesting shit, or just great really fuckin high.

After talking to several friends that have taken salvia, i was told it might be worth noting that many of them have sensed and 'evil presence' when under the influence of the drug. didnt know if i should post this in better living or not, since i was more in hunt of its religious implications.

any feedback?

They think it's evil because the sudden transition from normal sight can be intensely frightening.
Upon merging with salvia frequency you become this one piece of yourself surrounded by all of your otherselves indefinitely flowing, back and forth in non-existent directions, to the tune of Ms salvias rhythm, guiding creation in that [non-existent word] frequency of awareness.
Beyond description? words cannot describe.
Evil? Not evil, more of an unponderable train ride conducted by Lady Salvia.

AS you explore further, things become more natural and less evil.

Guns scare people because they have the power to kill. Does that make them evil? No. You're a fucking moron.

Salvia does put up a hell of a fight though.

Guns scare people because they have the power to kill. Does that make them evil? No. You're a fucking moron.

Salvia does put up a hell of a fight though.

Back off with insults. Seriously, you are neither intelligent nor cool if you insult people, as a matter of fact, its pretty trashy. Come back when you learn class and manners.

BTW stay with the relevance here, this thread has nothing to do with guns, and in the event that i was just posting things for fun, I would stick them elsewhere.

Back off with insults. Seriously, you are neither intelltigent nor cool if you insult people, as a matter of fact, its pretty trashy. Come back when you learn class and manners.



Seconded.

Back off with insults. Seriously, you are neither intelltigent nor cool if you insult people, as a matter of fact, its pretty trashy. Come back when you learn class and manners.

BTW stay with the relevance here, this thread has nothing to do with guns, and in the event that i was just posting things for fun, I would stick them elsewhere.

New Arrival pwns a Regular? Wonderful news.

Anyways... I don't feel an evil presence when I do salvia, but it does feel rather dark sometimes... I don't really know if other people can differentiate between dark and evil... I can't really explain it... but it just feels like there's something interesting happening around me and my fellow tokers, but not really destructive.

I would stick them elsewhere.

Like in your ass? I bet you'd like that.

Must I explain it to you like I would to a four year old? Sadly, looks like I have to. You see, I was comparing the two to show you that you can't label something evil just because it gives you a weird or strange feeling. It may be chaotic, but that doesn't make it evil.

I'll keep insulting you as long as you are blinded by your own stupidity.

Like in your ass? I bet you'd like that.

Must I explain it to you like I would to a four year old? Sadly, looks like I have to. You see, I was comparing the two to show you that you can't label something evil just because it gives you a weird or strange feeling. It may be chaotic, but that doesn't make it evil.

I'll keep insulting you as long as you are blinded by your own stupidity.

Every time you see that which bothers you in someone else, you are really attacking yr own shadow...

Ms. Salvia is not evil, as there is no evil or good in the universe. That's just part of the pleasure/pain dichotomy. They're both just an awareness of something.

What they sense is something very, very powerful, and incredibly impersonal. What they sense does not care if the entire universe lives, dies, or would have never existed at all. The void does not contain personal feelings.

Like in your ass? I bet you'd like that.

Must I explain it to you like I would to a four year old? Sadly, looks like I have to. You see, I was comparing the two to show you that you can't label something evil just because it gives you a weird or strange feeling. It may be chaotic, but that doesn't make it evil.

I'll keep insulting you as long as you are blinded by your own stupidity.

I was thinking up yours, then realised there was no room because your head was taking up all the space in there.

I'm sorry you are such an unhappy person. Now please, don't honour me with anymore of your comments. Thank-you and have a spectacular evening.

Back on topic, I am gathering that it is the complete loss of 'self' or 'ego' that leads people to sense an evil or negative energy.

That complete loss would result in the disintegration of any mental barriers that one has placed upon his or herself. Since those barriers are usually the ones unconciously built to keep out certain negative energy and/or emotion, is it reasonable to hypothesise that, in some cases, there could simply be negative energy present in the general location of the person under the influence of the drug? This could potentially explain the sense of an 'evil' that was not inherent to Salvia, just the surrounding environment.

That complete loss would result in the disintegration of any mental barriers that one has placed upon his or herself. Since those barriers are usually the ones unconciously built to keep out certain negative energy and/or emotion, is it reasonable to hypothesise that, in some cases, there could simply be negative energy present in the general location of the person under the influence of the drug? This could potentially explain the sense of an 'evil' that was not inherent to Salvia, just the surrounding environment.
The energies which surround you affect your journey, that is why it is best if you prepare beforehand.

That presence is yourself. ;)

I always thought she seemed nice, I dunno why they think she's evil.

i don't feel as thought, in my experiences, it is nice or evil, or any of those relative terms that we humans have created, its just as others have posted, very impersonal. its like your just one atom in your hand or something insignificant like that. but thats just ego loss, just like what occurs with every other powerful psychedelic (dmt,lsd at large doses, toad venom....) it might just seem evil because you might subconsciously feel as though somethings been taken from you in that instant...



BUT, it can be a bit foreboding, it kinda reminds me of 1984 for some reason, if anyone gets that at all

I always thought she seemed nice, I dunno why they think she's evil.

I don't know. I didn't get an "evil" presence, it was kind of neutral (although this doesn't really describe it) and it said in an impulse, not through words, "you wanted to know the secret, here it is." What she showed me freaked me out at the time, but I think it was because I wasn't prepared to handle it. Anyway, I didn't notice that it was a female presence in particular.

I personally only know of one person that ENJOYS salvia.
To be honest, it's fucking horrible. BUT, when you come down; you feel so much more connected to yourself and happy.
Do it
but only once.
it LITERALLY feels like your going on a rollercoaster when you come up.

Maybe you guys can help me out here but everytime I smoke salvia my body gets really hot. I have that hot tingly feeling throughout. I can't fucking stand it. Does this happen to everyone else? Or just me? Do you evantually just get over this or ignore it? It gets to a point where I have to strip down in order to somewhat enjoy it.

I personally only know of one person that ENJOYS salvia.


same here, and it's me. :)

I can honestly smoke salvia like weed

or maybe I just smoke weed like salvia...? :o

It kind of seemed evil to me, there was a transparent clown/jester floating in the sky and I was paralyzed in a field, plus I also saw a huge, magic book, but when it opened the letters popped off the page.. but it was only lower-case t's.

Back off with insults. Seriously, you are neither intelligent nor cool if you insult people, as a matter of fact, its pretty trashy. Come back when you learn class and manners.

BTW stay with the relevance here, this thread has nothing to do with guns, and in the event that i was just posting things for fun, I would stick them elsewhere.

Thirded

Maybe you guys can help me out here but everytime I smoke salvia my body gets really hot. I have that hot tingly feeling throughout. I can't fucking stand it. Does this happen to everyone else? Or just me? Do you evantually just get over this or ignore it? It gets to a point where I have to strip down in order to somewhat enjoy it.

Leave it behind, you have no need for it where you're going. Your body that is.

To be honest, it's fucking horrible. BUT, when you come down; you feel so much more connected to yourself and happy.


Yeah, after you return from getting what you thought was reality torn away from you, it can be a great instrument for meditation.

That presence is yourself. ;)

This. Everything you percieve while high on Salvia is just a projection of your own mind and the perception of the environment around us. Salvia is one scary, badass plant that one should treat with respect. You can almost call it life changing.

Leave it behind, you have no need for it where you're going. Your body that is.

I want to go there and I'm not leaving behind my 5 or so grams I have left. I enjoy the experience it gives me its just my body gets to hot and tingly in the beginning. I actually enjoy the come down and peaking point rather then the initial rising of it. What I have observed on salvia is I tend to cite the conversations I would have with a friend of mine. But my persona in these conversations is one of a 'cool' hipster cat. Anyway next time I smoke salvia whats a good way to speak to my mind?

I personally only know of one person that ENJOYS salvia.
To be honest, it's fucking horrible. BUT, when you come down; you feel so much more connected to yourself and happy.
Do it
but only once.
it LITERALLY feels like your going on a rollercoaster when you come up.

ive smoked salvia about 4 times and yeah i have to agree when you come down it feels great
but i wouldnt say its horrible....

I want to go there and I'm not leaving behind my 5 or so grams I have left. I enjoy the experience it gives me its just my body gets to hot and tingly in the beginning. I actually enjoy the come down and peaking point rather then the initial rising of it. What I have observed on salvia is I tend to cite the conversations I would have with a friend of mine. But my persona in these conversations is one of a 'cool' hipster cat. Anyway next time I smoke salvia whats a good way to speak to my mind?

I'm pretty sure he meant leave your body behind.

I think salvia takes you to a place that never wanted you there/intended for you to ever be there.

I think salvia takes you to a place that never wanted you there/intended for you to ever be there.

If anything I think it's indifferent. You can accept what you see or not, but you probably aren't ready.

Edit: Either way, I think it opened some door in my mind.

Edit: Either way, I think it opened some door in my mind.
Care to elaborate?

Care to elaborate?

It's difficult to explain, as many experiences of higher level consciousness are. One way I have put it that others who have had similar experiences have been able to understand is to say I can access a level of perception where it seems as if all movement is synchronized, like in a complex orchestra. After salvia, I was able to perceive this while only under the influence of marijuana, and then, while sober.

On my salvia trip, in case you didn't read about it, time slowed down and I forgot who I was. And when I say time slowed down, I mean completely. I was stuck in one slice of time, and I thought it was the only slice that existed. I was unable to move forward in time until I remembered who I was and what it was that I was doing. I realized that it took thought to move through time, and I began noticing the way the room "flowed" until I got back up to speed. I was able to recognize this flow post-salvia, and it is also what I am referring to in paragraph 1.

If you haven't seen this, my words will make no sense. If you have, it (the experience) makes the more sense than anything that you have ever seen (especially if you can access it on a deep level for a decent period of time).

why, yes. i think i can relate. whenever i did salvia, well, let's just say a strange evil was present. :confused:

Lol.... ah i'm scared of the ev1l pr3sence!!

Lmao, i'm joking.

I've done a lot of salvia extracte 40x (strong shit.) and i've seen a lot of cool stuff, the evil presence isn't evil, its just the fact that Salvia is a really trippy drug. makes you do this: :eek:

why, yes. i think i can relate. whenever i did salvia, well, let's just say a strange evil was present. :confused:

That was just your gay uncle... it's okay. He won't be sticking his fingers there anymore when he goes away on his vacation behind bars.

I've always enjoyed Salvia, but I'm the only one around me that does.

I have a friend that really hates the stuff with a passion though...Ah well, more for me.

It's difficult to explain, as many experiences of higher level consciousness are. One way I have put it that others who have had similar experiences have been able to understand is to say I can access a level of perception where it seems as if all movement is synchronized, like in a complex orchestra. After salvia, I was able to perceive this while only under the influence of marijuana, and then, while sober.

On my salvia trip, in case you didn't read about it, time slowed down and I forgot who I was. And when I say time slowed down, I mean completely. I was stuck in one slice of time, and I thought it was the only slice that existed. I was unable to move forward in time until I remembered who I was and what it was that I was doing. I realized that it took thought to move through time, and I began noticing the way the room "flowed" until I got back up to speed. I was able to recognize this flow post-salvia, and it is also what I am referring to in paragraph 1.

If you haven't seen this, my words will make no sense. If you have, it (the experience) makes the more sense than anything that you have ever seen (especially if you can access it on a deep level for a decent period of time).

this makes perfect sense to me >.>

i am considering mixing salvia and LSD. both have shown me some strange and wonderful things... i want to see if they multiply one another.

salvia... can it be done repeatedly? as in, doing it every 25 minutes while peaking on a huge amount of acid? or does it's effects wear off, and you get a resistance?

i am considering mixing salvia and LSD. both have shown me some strange and wonderful things... i want to see if they multiply one another.

salvia... can it be done repeatedly? as in, doing it every 25 minutes while peaking on a huge amount of acid? or does it's effects wear off, and you get a resistance?

Do it when you're at your peak, only once.
Then meditate.


If you can share anything of your word defying experience, I am very interested in hearing.

i felt an evil presence one time when i broke through on salvia, but it was only once. i was listening to the wall, and i felt the presence of evil kids underneath me when i was sails on this boat. hard to completely explain, but it was fucking nuts. one time when i broke through i was a file cabinet for what felt like years, opening and closing and papers being put in me. fucking nuts. never really enjoyed it, but its definitely a good self exploration tool. listening to rap also makes saliva feel evil. when i throw on some downtempo music its alot more chill. an amazing song i've listened to is hawai by shine, and 1st of the month pt 2 by kruder and dofrmeister.

What smoking implement do you lot use, provided you don't use the quid method?

What smoking implement do you lot use, provided you don't use the quid method?

One of those pinchies that looks like a cigarette and a bic lighter.

I smoked salvia out of a bong once, and took a faaat asss rip.... at first I was hella laughing for nothing and felt like my body was melting, or my skin was starting to droop and become heavy, then outta nowhere i started to feel tha world slipping away from me and thats when i started to panic.... next thing I know somebody/thing snatched my body out of this dimension at light speed and I was floating in te middle of endless darkness, and it was weird cuz ya i did feel an evil prescense. It was weird, there was like this witch lady there but and I dont know why but she seemed like she was a character from a cereal box, i have no idea why. But for some reason I felt she was in charge of my whole trip. Then i remember we floated towards a giant book and then I became attatched to its pages. then the giant pages were being flipped thru but I was still in the same spot and I would just be attatched to the next page under it. And each time the page flipped, I would be less attatched, till after I realized it was the wall next to me that I waas 'stuck to" but ya it was a fucking frightning, yet cool experience. I look back and blame the "evil" just on me being scared and unfamiliar with what was going on, also the fat hit overwhelmed me. And this was the weakest salivia like 5x ha!

I smoked salvia out of a bong once, and took a faaat asss rip.... at first I was hella laughing for nothing and felt like my body was melting, or my skin was starting to droop and become heavy, then outta nowhere i started to feel tha world slipping away from me and thats when i started to panic.... next thing I know somebody/thing snatched my body out of this dimension at light speed and I was floating in te middle of endless darkness, and it was weird cuz ya i did feel an evil prescense. It was weird, there was like this witch lady there but and I dont know why but she seemed like she was a character from a cereal box, i have no idea why. But for some reason I felt she was in charge of my whole trip. Then i remember we floated towards a giant book and then I became attatched to its pages. then the giant pages were being flipped thru but I was still in the same spot and I would just be attatched to the next page under it. And each time the page flipped, I would be less attatched, till after I realized it was a damn dirty ape that I was stuck to but ya it was a fucking frightning, yet cool experience. But that dirty black guy was up to no good, he started making trouble in my neighborhood. I got in one little fight and my moms got scared. She said you're moving in with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air! I look back and blame the "evil" just on me being scared and unfamiliar with what was going on, also the fat hit overwhelmed me. And this was the weakest salvia like 5x ha!

fixed for entertainment's sake.

it is possible that somthing evil was already inside or around them and lady salvia made it visible.

i already posted here but after reading more of this thread I feel I need to say more.

first and foremost-plants do have spirits, these spirits are neither good nor evil. shamans ingested certain plants (and fungi) in order to communicate with these spirits and try to bring about change (a form of magic). the spirits in turn show the shaman things that can range from euphoric to hell-like.

if you arent prepared for this kind of communication and you partake in one of these spirits it can either ignore you and allow the drugs in the plant to do what they do OR you just might piss the spirit off with your disrespect in which case bad things can happen.

treat your spiritual plants and your street drugs differently.

LSD is the exception to the rule. it has no spirit of its own but can work wonders in helping you search your own soul and even the spirit of the greater conciousness.

LSD is the exception to the rule. it has no spirit of its own but can work wonders in helping you search your own soul and even the spirit of the greater conciousness.

I agree with Ram Dass when he said LSD is Christ in material form.

I agree with Ram Dass when he said LSD is Christ in material form.

a fickle christ, but yeah.

Well, on our trip to England we experimented with 20x Salvia.

One friend thought the world was going to end. He saw like some dark presence sneaking up and devouring him. Eventually he thought he couldn't swallow and he was very confused. Once he came down though he said he enjoyed it - he likes to be confused and try to figure things out.

A girl thought she had died and was also confused, I don't think she was very satisfied with it.

I on the other hand had a very satisfying experience. For some time I couldn't understand anything. I was in some sort of colourful factory. A brief thought occurred that it wasn't good, but I soon relaxed and said to myself to just go with the flow.

One question though: After that I haven't had similar salvia experiences, sort of like a tolerance to it, is this possible even?

i already posted here but after reading more of this thread I feel I need to say more.

first and foremost-plants do have spirits, these spirits are neither good nor evil. shamans ingested certain plants (and fungi) in order to communicate with these spirits and try to bring about change (a form of magic). the spirits in turn show the shaman things that can range from euphoric to hell-like.

if you arent prepared for this kind of communication and you partake in one of these spirits it can either ignore you and allow the drugs in the plant to do what they do OR you just might piss the spirit off with your disrespect in which case bad things can happen.



Agreed for the most part.

For more detail on this, see the great book "Plant Spirit Medicine" by Eliot Cowan.

IMHO, there are no "bad things"--only valuable lessons which may be unpleasant at the time, if we allow them to be.

I had fun on my tip. I was in a room with about 6 cacti when I started my trip and all I can say is wow.

I started off taking a big rip off of a hookah a friend had. I sat down in the bean bag chair and listened to he radio for a few seconds and then I kind of blacked out for a few seconds. The whole world went dark and I saw nothing for some time. When I could see I saw the cacti and it seemed like I was driving down the road with those fucking things following me. So I kind of freaked and looked around. I saw my friends but they were different. Like I sensed they were a little off. I got freaked and jumped up out of the bag and took out three of the cacti.

I ran around and was tackled by a friend. I come down after some time and after I was thrown into a bathtub and the door closed I'm asked if I'm alright. They take out the spines from the cacti I have in me and tell me I had a weird trip. From their point of view I sat down for a second, yelled I couldn't see, took out the cacti, get up and fall down, get dragged into the bathroom and dumped into the shower, and yelled about demons and Revelations from the bible for 20 minutes from the bathroom.

Never doing that again but I know what everyone is saying about the sensing stuff. Scared the shit out of me and I felt like I was dying or something.

I started off taking a big rip off of a hookah a friend had.
Salvia through a hookah? hmm

i am considering mixing salvia and LSD. both have shown me some strange and wonderful things... i want to see if they multiply one another.

salvia... can it be done repeatedly? as in, doing it every 25 minutes while peaking on a huge amount of acid? or does it's effects wear off, and you get a resistance?

Just remember that it has a reverse tolerance.

It might work better if you used a volcano instead of smoking it while using LSD.

So are bad trips basically pissed off spirits letting you know you pissed them off?

So are bad trips basically pissed off spirits letting you know you pissed them off?

In my experience: no. (no I don't think so)

I've felt/thought some gnarly things you'd call a "bad trip."

They were hallucinating.

This.

i smoked salvia with this fool one time who said it felt like he was possessed by the devil..

In my experience: no. (no I don't think so)

I've felt/thought some gnarly things you'd call a "bad trip."

like? Did you show respect to the substance or did you just take it because you wanted to trip for lulz

like? Did you show respect to the substance or did you just take it because you wanted to trip for lulz

That.

Also, I am talking about a shroom experience. Salvia has only ever confused me/ made me loony.

Remarkably though, I have never experienced fear since that destined night years ago when 1/16 of an oz of mushrooms faced me with impossible, unspeakable doom.

First I was shown the idea that I may be the only conscious entity in the universe, after denying this, I was shown (possibly) undiluted fear, as if I was being commanded to immediately experience terrifying pain; and all I could do was deny it.

I found this thread by googling "salvia is evil." I don't believe salvia to be evil in any form, but that's the only way I can express the feelings I've had in a physical way.

I'll introduce myself briefly. Hi, I like to smoke weed and my name's Nate. Nah, I'm just fucking around. To begin with, I'm 18 years old. I graduated this past year. I live out in the sticks. The population is compromised almost entirely of hicks who claim to have zero tolerance for any kind of drug. (The majority of which happen to drink themselves retarded daily and can be seen passed out in their yards quite frequently.) So in the immediate location I live in, I'm pretty much considered to be a "long-haired, skater-fag stoner."

Back in 2004 when I hadn't even began to smoke weed yet, I found out about salvia online. I read up on the effects (given to me from the sellers) and thought it sounded pretty kickass. A legal drug that makes me fly out of my body and have crazy fucking experiences. It really appealed to my mentality. Honestly, I had no fucking idea what kind of shit I was even wanting. I'll just come out and say it, when I first started smoking weed I had some FUCKED UP experiences until I had done it several times. I'll touch back on this later here. No one I asked in my county had ever even heard of it, however.

I had pretty much lost interest in salvia until earlier this year when everyone at my school found out about it. A headshop about 30 minutes from the nearest town had started selling the shit, so fucking everyone was driving out to get some. (All buying the highest potency shit that was available.) I was a bit more knowledgeable about salvia at this time and was aware it should be treated with a bit more caution and respect than it was being given. I warned some people on this who later told me they wished they would have listened to me. So anyway, I went out and bought a gram of the 2nd most potent shit being sold. (It was the shit marketed by SalviaZone color-coded red. I'm not sure what X extract this is. Although I'm aware you can find much better deals online, I don't give a shit. I've got the money.)

So armed with my mini glass bowl, a flower screen, a torch lighter, and a gram of salvia, I head over to my friends house to get fucked up. I load around .25 grams of salvia into the bowl. I then hold a flame to it, hit it until it's cached, pass all my shit to my friend and start to hold it in. The setting? A dark, poorly-lit basement with shit scattered all over it, along with my girlfriend and two of my buddies. Shit gets fucked up. Very fucked up. I try and fight it as hard as I can. I hear laughing and get extremely pissed off at how fucking annoying everyone's being. I'm then removed from all senses and perception I ever thought I had. I'm some sort of "thing" that's "watching" someone move around in front of me. Extremely weird shit happens that I'm completely unable to describe. I then am flipped around, sucked out of my shadow in the wall and can see through my physical eyes. I had apparently been staring at myself moving my hands around from my own fucking shadow. I hear laughter and proceed to be sucked into a light bulb, completely unaware of what reality should and shouldn't be. Not knowing what reality is. Not even knowing what existing is. Looking back on it, that's a really fucked up feeling. Is reality as we comprehend it just what it's randomly been led up to? I begin to come down slightly, still not knowing who or what the fuck I am, and look over to my right. There is a couch against the wall in front of me, and one touching it facing the wall to my left. My friend is sitting in one of the couches. Everything has black outlines to it, resembling a cartoon. The outlines turn into ropes that resemble waves moving up and down. Someone happened to be taking a video of me at the time, and at this point I said, "I'm going to pull this line out from under you and you're going to fall on your ass. Everything is a graham cracker."

Basically, some fucking weird shit happened. I thought it was intense as fuck. But it wasn't COMPLETELY terrifying. I honestly believe the location and setting makes a huge difference, though. I was pretty pumped about the feeling I had after coming down off of something so mind-altering and being back in my own personal perception of reality. I felt powerful and blessed, I guess you could say. As if I could handle whatever this plant threw at me. I think my lack of respect for how powerful the experiences that can be given through you to a seemingly simple plant led to a bad experience.

I smoked another bowl of salvia (about .25 grams, again) sitting in a lawn chair in my backyard. This time, I heard a voice. A voice I had only heard once before, when I had smoked a shitload of really good weed when I had only smoked once before, trying to show off. A voice that had accompanied a vision of an elderly lady that had repeated a warning to me hundreds of times once before. Obviously neither an effect of weed or something someone considered medically sane his whole life traditionally experiences at random. I heard the voice of a kind, elderly lady clearly say, "Come along children, I things to show you." I was then sucked into the blue sky. The entire experience consisted of me seeing a gold coin (such as one you would imagine Uncle Scrooge from whatever-the-fuck Disney shit that was having in his vaults) fly around through the sky, leaving a trail of gold coins wherever it went. What the fuck?

The next time, I loaded my bowl up about .3 grams in the same location. My girlfriend was with me. I smoked it. I wasn't ready. Something was sucking me somewhere I was absolutely terrified to go. I fought it as hard as I could. I KEPT MY EYES OPEN AS WIDE AS I FUCKING COULD. But then everything went black. And I was experiencing extreme confusion, distortion of my senses, and terror. Then I heard my girlfriend say something. I looked over. This is what I saw. I was somewhere that looks what I imagine deep space looking like. My face was located in the lower-left portion of this. A thought bubble was coming out of my head. My girlfriend and some scenery were located in this thought bubble. I was fucking horrified by the place I was trapped in. I was screaming shit like, "YOU'RE JUST A FUCKING THOUGHT BUBBLE! PERCEPTION GIVES LIFE!" I finally managed to come out of this nightmare. It was pretty unnerving shit.

A few days later, I smoked the little amount of salvia I had left, not thinking it would do much of anything. I was wrong. I was in AIM talking to my girlfriend listening to Tool at the time. After blowing the smoke out, I heard an extremely sinister female voice say, "I hate this music. It's bad. Turn it off" I was panicking and in my fucked up state, it took me what seemed like 8 seconds to find the window to turn off the song. After this, the spirit possessed every part of my existence. I could feel it running through my blood, sitting in my eyes, beating in my heart, etc. The voice then spoke again, "I'm bad too. I'm going to kill your girlfriend." I could feel something shooting out of my hands and feel it running through the keyboard. It felt like it was trying to somehow make its way to my girlfriend's computer and then into her. Barely able to function and terrified beyond belief, I turned my monitor off and ran to my bed as this voice taunted me. I felt knives stabbing into every part of my body over and over again. It felt like I was dissolving. I called my girlfriend and all I could say was, "It hurts. It hurts so fucking bad." Eventually it stopped and I hung up thinking everything was over. Turns out I had just gotten played. I ended up inside of my lung with the same voice telling me the pain I felt was the physical interpretation of the pain my lungs feel when I smoke. That freaked me out pretty fucking bad and I quit smoking cigarettes for a few days. That's also the last time I've touched salvia.

All I'm going to say is this is an extremely powerful drug that shouldn't be fucked with by those who aren't willing to let go of everything they've ever known and forbid their ego from coming along for the ride. Maybe someday when I'm in a better state of mind I'll try it again. I enjoyed reading your experiences and thought I'd share my own.

I found this thread by googling "salvia is evil." I don't believe salvia to be evil in any form, but that's the only way I can express the feelings I've had in a physical way.

I'll introduce myself briefly. Hi, I like to smoke weed and my name's Nate. Nah, I'm just fucking around. To begin with, I'm 18 years old. I graduated this past year. I live out in the sticks. The population is compromised almost entirely of hicks who claim to have zero tolerance for any kind of drug. (The majority of which happen to drink themselves retarded daily and can be seen passed out in their yards quite frequently.) So in the immediate location I live in, I'm pretty much considered to be a "long-haired, skater-fag stoner."

Back in 2004 when I hadn't even began to smoke weed yet, I found out about salvia online. I read up on the effects (given to me from the sellers) and thought it sounded pretty kickass. A legal drug that makes me fly out of my body and have crazy fucking experiences. It really appealed to my mentality. Honestly, I had no fucking idea what kind of shit I was even wanting. I'll just come out and say it, when I first started smoking weed I had some FUCKED UP experiences until I had done it several times. I'll touch back on this later here. No one I asked in my county had ever even heard of it, however.

I had pretty much lost interest in salvia until earlier this year when everyone at my school found out about it. A headshop about 30 minutes from the nearest town had started selling the shit, so fucking everyone was driving out to get some. (All buying the highest potency shit that was available.) I was a bit more knowledgeable about salvia at this time and was aware it should be treated with a bit more caution and respect than it was being given. I warned some people on this who later told me they wished they would have listened to me. So anyway, I went out and bought a gram of the 2nd most potent shit being sold. (It was the shit marketed by SalviaZone color-coded red. I'm not sure what X extract this is. Although I'm aware you can find much better deals online, I don't give a shit. I've got the money.)

So armed with my mini glass bowl, a flower screen, a torch lighter, and a gram of salvia, I head over to my friends house to get fucked up. I load around .25 grams of salvia into the bowl. I then hold a flame to it, hit it until it's cached, pass all my shit to my friend and start to hold it in. The setting? A dark, poorly-lit basement with shit scattered all over it, along with my girlfriend and two of my buddies. Shit gets fucked up. Very fucked up. I try and fight it as hard as I can. I hear laughing and get extremely pissed off at how fucking annoying everyone's being. I'm then removed from all senses and perception I ever thought I had. I'm some sort of "thing" that's "watching" someone move around in front of me. Extremely weird shit happens that I'm completely unable to describe. I then am flipped around, sucked out of my shadow in the wall and can see through my physical eyes. I had apparently been staring at myself moving my hands around from my own fucking shadow. I hear laughter and proceed to be sucked into a light bulb, completely unaware of what reality should and shouldn't be. Not knowing what reality is. Not even knowing what existing is. Looking back on it, that's a really fucked up feeling. Is reality as we comprehend it just what it's randomly been led up to? I begin to come down slightly, still not knowing who or what the fuck I am, and look over to my right. There is a couch against the wall in front of me, and one touching it facing the wall to my left. My friend is sitting in one of the couches. Everything has black outlines to it, resembling a cartoon. The outlines turn into ropes that resemble waves moving up and down. Someone happened to be taking a video of me at the time, and at this point I said, "I'm going to pull this line out from under you and you're going to fall on your ass. Everything is a graham cracker."

Basically, some fucking weird shit happened. I thought it was intense as fuck. But it wasn't COMPLETELY terrifying. I honestly believe the location and setting makes a huge difference, though. I was pretty pumped about the feeling I had after coming down off of something so mind-altering and being back in my own personal perception of reality. I felt powerful and blessed, I guess you could say. As if I could handle whatever this plant threw at me. I think my lack of respect for how powerful the experiences that can be given through you to a seemingly simple plant led to a bad experience.

I smoked another bowl of salvia (about .25 grams, again) sitting in a lawn chair in my backyard. This time, I heard a voice. A voice I had only heard once before, when I had smoked a shitload of really good weed when I had only smoked once before, trying to show off. A voice that had accompanied a vision of an elderly lady that had repeated a warning to me hundreds of times once before. Obviously neither an effect of weed or something someone considered medically sane his whole life traditionally experiences at random. I heard the voice of a kind, elderly lady clearly say, "Come along children, I things to show you." I was then sucked into the blue sky. The entire experience consisted of me seeing a gold coin (such as one you would imagine Uncle Scrooge from whatever-the-fuck Disney shit that was having in his vaults) fly around through the sky, leaving a trail of gold coins wherever it went. What the fuck?

The next time, I loaded my bowl up about .3 grams in the same location. My girlfriend was with me. I smoked it. I wasn't ready. Something was sucking me somewhere I was absolutely terrified to go. I fought it as hard as I could. I KEPT MY EYES OPEN AS WIDE AS I FUCKING COULD. But then everything went black. And I was experiencing extreme confusion, distortion of my senses, and terror. Then I heard my girlfriend say something. I looked over. This is what I saw. I was somewhere that looks what I imagine deep space looking like. My face was located in the lower-left portion of this. A thought bubble was coming out of my head. My girlfriend and some scenery were located in this thought bubble. I was fucking horrified by the place I was trapped in. I was screaming shit like, "YOU'RE JUST A FUCKING THOUGHT BUBBLE! PERCEPTION GIVES LIFE!" I finally managed to come out of this nightmare. It was pretty unnerving shit.

A few days later, I smoked the little amount of salvia I had left, not thinking it would do much of anything. I was wrong. I was in AIM talking to my girlfriend listening to Tool at the time. After blowing the smoke out, I heard an extremely sinister female voice say, "I hate this music. It's bad. Turn it off" I was panicking and in my fucked up state, it took me what seemed like 8 seconds to find the window to turn off the song. After this, the spirit possessed every part of my existence. I could feel it running through my blood, sitting in my eyes, beating in my heart, etc. The voice then spoke again, "I'm bad too. I'm going to kill your girlfriend." I could feel something shooting out of my hands and feel it running through the keyboard. It felt like it was trying to somehow make its way to my girlfriend's computer and then into her. Barely able to function and terrified beyond belief, I turned my monitor off and ran to my bed as this voice taunted me. I felt knives stabbing into every part of my body over and over again. It felt like I was dissolving. I called my girlfriend and all I could say was, "It hurts. It hurts so fucking bad." Eventually it stopped and I hung up thinking everything was over. Turns out I had just gotten played. I ended up inside of my lung with the same voice telling me the pain I felt was the physical interpretation of the pain my lungs feel when I smoke. That freaked me out pretty fucking bad and I quit smoking cigarettes for a few days. That's also the last time I've touched salvia.

All I'm going to say is this is an extremely powerful drug that shouldn't be fucked with by those who aren't willing to let go of everything they've ever known and forbid their ego from coming along for the ride. Maybe someday when I'm in a better state of mind I'll try it again. I enjoyed reading your experiences and thought I'd share my own.

Why are all Salvia trip posts like this?.
Once you have read it, theres only about two lines that actually describe what happened.
I read the trip experiences on DrugsForum the other day & only Two posters actually described what happened when they were 'under', thats out of about, say 50 posts.

The 'prickly bit'
the 'twisted around bit'
the 'gravity shift bit'
the 'Farmer tilling the feilds bit'
the 'someone outside of you talking' bit

For OP, I believe that drug is a hallucinagent and when drugs are like that, people under this influence tend to see what they want to see.

I myself have tried these drug 2 time years apart, and nothing happened to me.

If evil presence existed, perhaps it would be the location or person, influenced by the drug.

Therefore, summoning evil spirits by doing a drug is very unlikely.


(and for morality of people, evil is only in the mind)