Is all of that real or just bullshit? And if it is, do you got to be a Haitian dude to practice it?

Voodoo is a religion. Black magic is.. black magic. And yes, they're both real. Do you have to be Jamaican to be a Rastafarian?

Yeah i know that its a religion and stuff, but i was wondering if all of the "Black magic" that they do is real or connected to it.

No clue about what they do, but I'm fairly certain it's not black magic. Black magic is destructive in nature, and I highly recommend against seeking.

I'd say mostly no. Although don't assume that you can't use religion and superstition to cause a state of mass hysteria and mood lifting/ruining. If you believe in it it isn't something you should fuck with due to the fact that your mind is a fragile thing. You might not be able to blow shit up with your mind but that doesn't mean you can't drive a person insane, or give a person hope. 90% of that magic crap is bullshit though.

90% of that magic crap is bullshit though.

Just because you've never seen Europe doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

There is sadly, more black magick available than white these days.

Just because you've never seen Europe doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

That's a shitty argument, Europe is a land mass, he has seen land so he knows that it has the possibility of existing. No one has ever documented any real instance of "magic", it hasn't been seen, it can't be tested, you're an idiot.

That's a shitty argument, Europe is a land mass, he has seen land so he knows that it has the possibility of existing. No one has ever documented any real instance of "magic", it hasn't been seen, it can't be tested, you're an idiot.

That's something like what i was gonna post...
And Lots of people have seen Europe anyway...not many people claim to have seen magic - not counting card tricks of course.

That's a shitty argument, Europe is a land mass, he has seen land so he knows that it has the possibility of existing. No one has ever documented any real instance of "magic", it hasn't been seen, it can't be tested, you're an idiot.

what the fark

Look into sigils.
Don't meddle with what you don't understand though.

Ok. Thanks for the info.

You want some proof I can only thin of one person who is proof of black magic Allister Crowley read about him he was always doing magic

http://www.spellsandmagic.com/


worth a look if ur interested

I thought that most people who "believed" in magic really just respected the art of mass hysteria. I mean no one really believes that crap right?

I mean no one really believes that crap right?

No longer is it a question of whether it works or not, but rather how wide and how strong the foundation can become.

I don't expect one such as yourself to believe me, anything I tell you is a lie anyway.

Information is all around and within you.
Compute it, direct it, embrace it, or ignore it.

anything I tell you is a lie anyway.



oh, okay.

That's a shitty argument, Europe is a land mass, he has seen land so he knows that it has the possibility of existing. No one has ever documented any real instance of "magic", it hasn't been seen, it can't be tested, you're an idiot.

You are the fucking idiot dumbass. Plenty of people have documented real existence of magick. Look into the Golden Dawn. Why don't shut your fucking adolescent mouth because you don't know shit. Why else would you even look in this post if you already knew the answer?

Fuckin pwnt

No one has ever documented any real instance of "magic", it hasn't been seen, it can't be tested, you're an idiot.

Wrong. People do real magick all the time--we just don't talk about it.

You are the fucking idiot dumbass. Plenty of people have documented real existence of magick. Look into the Golden Dawn. Why don't shut your fucking adolescent mouth because you don't know shit. Why else would you even look in this post if you already knew the answer?

Fuckin pwnt

I'm sure that you think I'm an idiot for not believing something that has not been proven within the scientific community, although it has supposedly been around for so long. If there was indeed a way to do ANY of the things magic(k) has been RUMORED to do, then many more people would know about it (even if they didn't know how to do it) its fun and all seeing a good magician perform to entertain you but when you take it seriously its fucking pathetic, just deal with the fact that reality is boring. There isn't shit you can do about it (aside from thrill seeking). If you are unable to deal with the fact that the universe you exist in is bound to very tight laws then you could at least acknowledge the fact that other people don't want to hear you claim any true observations of magic. As for reading up on these subjects (namely crowley and Golden Dawn), they are laughable, Crowley was obviously an insane cult leader. Reading through the article I imaged "the wickedest man on Earth" as a early L. Ron Hubbard. I know that this will not change your mind and I know that no matter what logic I use, and sheer impossibilities I point out in this magic that you will think of me as a "fucking idiot dumbass". So I have nothing more to say but that while I do realize that it is not science's job to disprove that which does not act within its laws (god, magic, brittany spears popularity) , but from seeing how much you seem to know about science, that doesn't matter.

Fucking pwnt.

Voodoo is a religion. Black magic is.. black magic. And yes, they're both real. Do you have to be Jamaican to be a Rastafarian?

in the most traditional way, yes you do have to be jamaican to be rasta.

as far as black magic and all magic in general it is just a method of focusing energy into belief and belief into action. black and white is crap. magic is magic; just remember the golden rule.

in the most traditional way, yes you do have to be jamaican to be rasta.

as far as black magic and all magic in general it is just a method of focusing energy into belief and belief into action. black and white is crap. magic is magic; just remember the golden rule.

black and white refer to the effect on your karma. And they definitely have different feels to them. Saying magic is magic is like saying bud is bud..;)

black and white refer to the effect on your karma. And they definitely have different feels to them. Saying magic is magic is like saying bud is bud..;)

I was simply stating that there is no inherent difference. a knife is not good or evil, but you can do good or evil things with it.

catch my drift

Voodoo is a religion, hoodoo is what you want.

I've seen magik before. fuur real doodz

Is all of that real or just bullshit? And if it is, do you got to be a Haitian dude to practice it?

YES it's real and yes you have to be of african decent to practice it, the shit is secrect so no your white ass can not read a fucked up interpretation on it and the energy your dealing with will burn your white ass up alive.

I was simply stating that there is no inherent difference. a knife is not good or evil, but you can do good or evil things with it.

catch my drift

I catch your drift, but that's still not right. There is a difference. Fuck around with dark magic too much and it can swallow you up and make you a hollow shell of your former self. Allowing yourself to conduct it is self-destructive. That's the inherent difference.

major lulz at this thread.

oh noes not magick !~~~!!!!~!@!#@!~~#@!@#@!#$#refgn nbngbnghn

I'm honestly surprised in you guys. Believing in magick or however the fuck you spell it is just as retarded as believing that god answers prayers and shooting stars grant wishes. Grow the fuck up.

I'm honestly surprised in you guys. Believing in magick or however the fuck you spell it is just as retarded as believing that god answers prayers and shooting stars grant wishes. Grow the fuck up.

Where the fuck is the spoiler alert? I Still get money from the tooth fairy, santa dropped off a fleshlight last christmass. MAgic does happen. just needs the added assistance of ghb

I catch your drift, but that's still not right. There is a difference. Fuck around with dark magic too much and it can swallow you up and make you a hollow shell of your former self. Allowing yourself to conduct it is self-destructive. That's the inherent difference.

you havent read much crowley have you?

you havent read much crowley have you?

I base my knowledge off of experience, not books I've read.

I base my knowledge off of experience, not books I've read.

and how much experience do you have? is it possible that the things you deem "black magic" are bad for you because you believe them to be?

could it be that other people who don't share your narrow minded view can use these forms of magic?

magic is simply imposing your will on the things around you.

Black and White are in the hand of the spellcaster.

My brother and mom talked about how when she divorced her ex (a black man) my brother kept some of his stuff for memories because he was like a father to him. Well this guy was in to voodoo. My mom told my brother to throw everything away he gave him.... he didn't. Well one night his friend spent the night and right when they were laying down. the lights flashed and he saw a dark mist that look like a human with glowing red eyes move from room to room. Eventually he look out into the street to see when my mom was gonna be back and he would see that dark mist just moved up and down his street. His friend was scared and the whole time he was saying "You Better listen to your mom". He never came back but my brother trashed all that stuff. It wasn't even really voodoo items.

what the fuck was the point of that story?

joyofsatan.com damn i wish i was satanist. it looks too fun/awesome im a christioan tho, o wells. at least ill go to a heaven that may exist ^_^

joyofsatan.com damn i wish i was satanist. it looks too fun/awesome im a christioan tho, o wells. at least ill go to a heaven that may exist ^_^

Satanism has nothing to do with magic, it's just a certain lifestance.

you havent read much crowley have you?

And you honestly don't believe that tapping into the dark and obsessive sides of your psyche(or summoning demons, or performing black magic rituals, or however you choose to rationalize it, it's all the same thing) will begin to have negative effects on mental health?

However, it's the practitioner's choice on how they interact with the world, and it's up to them to decide through experience what they're willing to play with, and what they're not. I find that utilizing the fucked up parts of my mind is rather counter to what my actual goal is, so I don't. If I needed to hurt someone, chasing them down in person would take much less effort, and be a much more certain method of putting them in their place. It'd probably also be a much more liberating experience.

To answer the OPs question though:

Voodoo is an interesting occult branch, I found the Loa particularly fascinating. If I recall correctly, they tend to congregate in big groups and work themselves into a trance before the Loa takes control of one of the participants in the ritual. That was, at least, how the ritual I sat in on worked. It seemed too uncontrolled for my personal tastes.

I'm not too sure on the African descent thing, but I'm fairly certain it's required traditionally.

If all you're looking for is a quick way to hurt someone though, I'd suggest a good sized bludgeoning object and a ski mask.

joyofsatan.com damn i wish i was satanist. it looks too fun/awesome im a christioan tho, o wells. at least ill go to a heaven that may exist ^_^

satanism is a valid belief and i support it but joyofsatan.com is full of bull.

the entire site is just trying to get you to either buy there stuff or give them donations.

they believe satan is an alien, jews are lizards, and black people are made of mud.

and their entire following is made up of 12 year olds who are mad at their parents

That's a shitty argument, Europe is a land mass, he has seen land so he knows that it has the possibility of existing. No one has ever documented any real instance of "magic", it hasn't been seen, it can't be tested, you're an idiot.
your arguement is shitty
if seeing any land at all is proof of the existence of europe
then by your logic i can prove the existence of magic. there is proof of energy i.e. magnetism/electricity/whatever, then it is valid to beleive in other types of energy you have never expeirienced

and how much experience do you have? is it possible that the things you deem "black magic" are bad for you because you believe them to be?

could it be that other people who don't share your narrow minded view can use these forms of magic?

magic is simply imposing your will on the things around you.

Black and White are in the hand of the spellcaster.

First, I have a lot more experience than you, obviously. And no, black magic is bad for anyone, period. I'm sorry, but that was just stupid. Black magic is completely different. For instance, it can harm those who have no beliefs in any metaphysical planes, whereas white magic won't affect a person like that.

First, I have a lot more experience than you, obviously. And no, black magic is bad for anyone, period. I'm sorry, but that was just stupid. Black magic is completely different. For instance, it can harm those who have no beliefs in any metaphysical planes, whereas white magic won't affect a person like that.

while this arguement has been had many times you too argue just sounds like
you: yes
him: no
you: yes
him: no
you: yes
him: no
you: yes
him: no
you: yes
him: no

First, I have a lot more experience than you, obviously. And no, black magic is bad for anyone, period. I'm sorry, but that was just stupid. Black magic is completely different. For instance, it can harm those who have no beliefs in any metaphysical planes, whereas white magic won't affect a person like that.

what makes you think you have more experience than me?
you don't know me.

As with anything, you can only speak for yourself. Even if you are more experienced than me (which I doubt) you are by no means more experienced than Crowly was when he died. But you dont read any books; you get everything from experience which means you havent taken the time to learn from those older and more experienced than yourself.

I have used what you would call black magic more than once with no ill effects to my self or my loved ones. I have also used what you would call "good magic" irresponsibly and had ill effects. Just because you haven't done it doesn't mean it's impossible.

like I said before magic is a tool, you can do good things with it or bad things. Take a hammer for example; I can build something with it "white magic" or I can use it as a murder weapon "black magic". The difference isn't in the hammer. it is in my intent.

now that isnt to say I condone killing people with hammers or throwing around "black magic"carelessly. In fact for a general rule it is good to avoid "black magic" just like it is good too not to hit people in the head with hammers, but both do have their place.

If someone is trying to kill me I would hit them in the head with a hammer. If someone is especially deserving I would curse them. In both instances I would expect no ill effect.

even if I use my hammer to build, if done incorrectly I can hurt myself or others. That is why when using any magic you should be careful and responsible; but then again that applys to any tool ;)

magic=tool
intent=good or bad

karma does apply to everything, so be careful when doing ANY magic.

What was Crowley experienced in, being a fucking psycho?

What was Crowley experienced in, being a fucking psycho?

he was a little off in the head, but he was also the first man to look at magic as a science. Like everyone else he was human and had flaws; but the man knew his shit

What was Crowley experienced in, being a fucking psycho?

sanity is for the weak!

only the estranged mind can see the strange

sanity is for the weak!

only the estranged mind can see the strange

as long as there is normal there is strange

what makes you think you have more experience than me?
you don't know me.

As with anything, you can only speak for yourself. Even if you are more experienced than me (which I doubt) you are by no means more experienced than Crowly was when he died. But you dont read any books; you get everything from experience which means you havent taken the time to learn from those older and more experienced than yourself.

I have used what you would call black magic more than once with no ill effects to my self or my loved ones. I have also used what you would call "good magic" irresponsibly and had ill effects. Just because you haven't done it doesn't mean it's impossible.

like I said before magic is a tool, you can do good things with it or bad things. Take a hammer for example; I can build something with it "white magic" or I can use it as a murder weapon "black magic". The difference isn't in the hammer. it is in my intent.

now that isnt to say I condone killing people with hammers or throwing around "black magic"carelessly. In fact for a general rule it is good to avoid "black magic" just like it is good too not to hit people in the head with hammers, but both do have their place.

If someone is trying to kill me I would hit them in the head with a hammer. If someone is especially deserving I would curse them. In both instances I would expect no ill effect.

even if I use my hammer to build, if done incorrectly I can hurt myself or others. That is why when using any magic you should be careful and responsible; but then again that applys to any tool ;)

magic=tool
intent=good or bad

karma does apply to everything, so be careful when doing ANY magic.

If you put out the negative energy, karma WILL recoil. There's no 2 ways about it. It doesn't matter if you think they deserve it. And obviously I don't have more experience than Crowley, but it doesn't mean you'll interpret his funky reading exactly as he meant it. In fact, you're much more likely to misinterpret.

what makes you think you have more experience than me?
you don't know me.

As with anything, you can only speak for yourself. Even if you are more experienced than me (which I doubt) you are by no means more experienced than Crowly was when he died. But you dont read any books; you get everything from experience which means you havent taken the time to learn from those older and more experienced than yourself.

I have used what you would call black magic more than once with no ill effects to my self or my loved ones. I have also used what you would call "good magic" irresponsibly and had ill effects. Just because you haven't done it doesn't mean it's impossible.

like I said before magic is a tool, you can do good things with it or bad things. Take a hammer for example; I can build something with it "white magic" or I can use it as a murder weapon "black magic". The difference isn't in the hammer. it is in my intent.

now that isnt to say I condone killing people with hammers or throwing around "black magic"carelessly. In fact for a general rule it is good to avoid "black magic" just like it is good too not to hit people in the head with hammers, but both do have their place.

If someone is trying to kill me I would hit them in the head with a hammer. If someone is especially deserving I would curse them. In both instances I would expect no ill effect.

even if I use my hammer to build, if done incorrectly I can hurt myself or others. That is why when using any magic you should be careful and responsible; but then again that applys to any tool ;)

magic=tool
intent=good or bad

karma does apply to everything, so be careful when doing ANY magic.

So what is with the fusion of different religions? And why does everyone happen to believe in karma all of a sudden, you gotta believe in Shiva as the third face of vishnu as the destroyer of things in order to realize that karma will affect you, then read the yoga of selfless action to realize how karma cannot affect you as prescribed by krishna. Therefore, no, karma wont do shit to me and it hasn't.

this is my favorite part of totse. 10 page long philosphical bullshit debates, but inbetween this. Everyone jumps to other threads and spews racial slurs, profanity, troll threads, Than comes back to science of the damned, and spews how enlightened they are.

So what is with the fusion of different religions? And why does everyone happen to believe in karma all of a sudden, you gotta believe in Shiva as the third face of vishnu as the destroyer of things in order to realize that karma will affect you, then read the yoga of selfless action to realize how karma cannot affect you as prescribed by krishna. Therefore, no, karma wont do shit to me and it hasn't.

That's like saying if you don't believe in radiation you won't be corroded by it. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's not there....but then it really might not be.

That's like saying if you don't believe in radiation you won't be corroded by it. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's not there....but then it really might not be.

Only problem with that is that radiation is observable and proven scientifically. "Karma" is just a way for people to explain why bad shit happens to them.

Only problem with that is that radiation is observable and proven scientifically. "Karma" is just a way for people to explain why bad shit happens to them.

I guess you don't realize that once upon a time radiation wasn't observable and proven scientifically. My point was what if karma is just not yet able to be observed by humans, yet it is there. I don't see how you missed what I was getting at o.0

That's like saying if you don't believe in radiation you won't be corroded by it. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's not there....but then it really might not be.

Read the Bhaghavad Gita. Seriously.

Crowley Empthasize the law " Do what thou wilt " or some shit like that. Which means do whatever you feel like doing , the downfall in that is that a humans heart is inherently wicked , and to do what you want will have a negative affect at the end regardless. Conclusion , all magick is going to cause more harm then good.

^
``Thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that and no other shall say nay. For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect.''

Take this carefully; it seems to imply a theory that if every man and every woman did his and her will--the true will--there would be no clashing. ``Every man and every woman is a star,'' and each star moves in an appointed path without interference. There is plenty of room for all; it is only disorder that creates confusion.

From these considerations it should be clear that ``Do what thou wilt'' does not mean ``Do what you like.'' It is the apotheosis of Freedom; but it is also the strictest possible bond.

Do what thou wilt--then do nothing else. Let nothing deflect thee from that austere and holy task. Liberty is absolute to do thy will; but seek to do any other thing whatever, and instantly obstacles must arise. Every act that is not in definite course of that one orbit is erratic, an hindrance. Will must not be two, but one.
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib2.html