Something I thought up just now. It would sort of make sense that the government in a way could be using Christianity for their benefit. Just the "In God we trust" bullshit. It sort of contradicts our laws, and they are very reluctant to change it. Just because the majority of Americans are so called "Christians?"

Like I said, just a thought. Add your comments and strike your flames up. :D

im sure this will provoke a thoughtful and open discussion.

sane too.

I personally can only see a 2 sided, fair and balanced conversation, that is represented by people who will argue both sides of the issue.

Die Religion ist das Opium des Volkes


Obviously yes though, on many levels. From the entire concept of religion, training people from a young age to believe in some that most evidence refutes based simply on the word of others to the president & leadership being consistently cross referenced with god therefore the actions they take must be endorsed by god and so on.

If the government is "Christian", why is abortion legal? Why is homosexuality being endorsed by schools and politicians? :rolleyes:

An evil Edomite politician like George W. Bush says he's a Christian and both misguided Christians and liberal atheists like yourself believe him without question.

If the government is "Christian", why is abortion legal? Why is homosexuality being endorsed by schools and politicians? :rolleyes:

An evil Edomite politician like George W. Bush says he's a Christian and both misguided Christians and liberal atheists like yourself believe him without question.

Abortion is legal becuase the government knows about HUGE population growth and the damage it could do not only to them but to the American people and our enviroment as as well, and simply because it would be an outrage to make it illegal to decide whether or not its time for you to have a child if any at all. About the homosexuality thing, uh...cause the government is gay? Lol. But really maybe someone will have an explanation for it.

Who said the government is Christian? I just said that they use Christianity to maybe tighten their grip and control over actual so called Christians.

at one time i would say the church run the government, now however not so sure although the vatican is probably the most powerful organization on earth at present time

at one time i would say the church run the government, now however not so sure although the vatican is probably the most powerful organization on earth at present time

I agree. Pretty sure the church used to run everything.

since abortions been legalized, i think theres been what, 20 million of them over the last 30 or so years? thats a lot of people, but if overpopulation was a concern they couldve wiped that out by not giving amnesty to illegals in the 80s and shipping them out ever since.

i dont think thats a real concern. theres so much land thats not used in this country, and wont be used unless theres a massive population boom [think china population], we could pretty ably feed ourselves with many more people.

i think abortions more of an abberation, than any sort of population control strategy.

additional proof can be had by analyzing the fact that were an aging country, and could use more youth. cant fight wars, and exploit young people in their most productive years, if theres no youth left lol.

I just said that they use Christianity to maybe tighten their grip and control over actual so called Christians.

I'll agree to that statement, but in reality, the government is anything but Christian.

I was talking to someone about this... The truth to the matter is that the governments larger police state powers have expanded and have made priests and other religious leaders sign papers expressing that we submit to the state when something terrible happens. They could be coerced or willing submit into signing.

The real Christians are being over-blanketed by so-called Christians, those who would use the name of Christ to justify killing, suffering and hatred towards others. However, these are not real Christians these are "Christians" who have willing signed those papers I was talking about. Explaining why their are such things as super-churches and why these "pastors" drive off in expensive BMW's.

Right-Wing Christian Fundamentalists, those are the ones to look out for, they merely borrowed the title of "Christian" for their own interests, that is all.

Ruling social classes use religion as a means for holding the masses in check. Its a social cement and instrument of class domination. Here in the US its Christianity and its many denominations that are used.

As a couple of you mentioned yes the church once was intertwined with the feudal ruling classes and served as a support for them but with the advent of bourgeois society this came to an end. The church being integrated with the state appartus that is. However the use of religion and morality (and religious institutions and religious leaders) to serve the needs of the ruling social classes did not come to an end and it continues to the present day.

"in God we trust" were only there during the start of anti-communism era.

If the government is "Christian", why is abortion legal? Why is homosexuality being endorsed by schools and politicians?

uuummm could you point out where the christian bible talks about any of that? O WAIT IT DOESNT.

Those are just bs causes used by the republicans and religous leaders to distract the masses, rally their troops so they can use collectivism to pit certain groups against eachother. In order to satisfy whatever their desired goal.

uuummm could you point out where the christian bible talks about any of that? O WAIT IT DOESNT.

well, what part of "God created Eve for Adam" did you not understand ?

God did not made Adam and another Adam so they may fornicate with each other ! Period.

well, what part of "God created Eve for Adam" did you not understand ?

God did not made Adam and another Adam so they may fornicate with each other ! Period.

god also created the world in 7 days right? Ssssooo anyone who believes there were dinosaurs and the earth is millions of years old is just as much a sinner.

The Bible never said homosexuality is wrong. So what he created Adam and Eve. What does that have to do with what is right and what is wrong? God didnt create a microwave. So all microwaves are sinful?

god also created the world in 7 days right?

Does it occur to you that 1 God's day is perhaps several billion earth's year ? Just like 1 pluto year is several hundred earth's year.


Ssssooo anyone who believes there were dinosaurs and the earth is millions of years old is just as much a sinner.

There were not dinasaur, it manifest it self as dinosaur to you, so you are amazed with it, so you embrace it. It's actually the devil, the satan, laid there to test your faith, and as confirmed here, you have none.

The Bible never said homosexuality is wrong. So what he created Adam and Eve. What does that have to do with what is right and what is wrong? God didnt create a microwave. So all microwaves are sinful?

You my friend, have not read the bible. Or maybe you read "the living bible" ?

The mainstream bible actually says mano-y-mano fornications are forbidden.

Oh, btw, if you thanked God for microwaved meals, they're not sinful... :)